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The Physicians Are Healing Themselves, with Ozempic
- bks 2y agohttps://archive.ph/lazXh https://archive.ph/lazXh
- tbomb 2y agoyou beat me to it :)
- knowitnone 2y agothe hero we need :) There should be an extension for this.
- moelf 2y agohttps://www.removepaywall.com/ https://www.removepaywall.com/
- usednet 2y agoBypass Paywalls Clean on Gitflic. As always, do your own due diligence before installing.
- AndrewDucker 2y agoThere's a Firefox extension for that site.
- AndrewHampton 2y agoPart of me wonders if I should be on ozempic since I have a family history of several of the issues it's reported to help with. Another part of me wonders if all the ozempic headlines I've seen over the past few months are just an incredibly effective and well orchestrated ad campaign.
- Slimbo 2y agoOr it could just be an incredibly effective drug?
- unsnap_biceps 2y agoIt could also be both at the same time.
- gabrielsroka 2y agohttps://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
- dkkergoog 2y ago[dead]
- delusional 2y agoIt's possible, but I don't think it would be necessary. I know multiple people who have lost weight on it, and it sells itself. After years of talking about the overweight epidemic, there's now medication that solves it. It's impossible not to talk about, whether your angle is "too good to be true" or "amazing step forward for humanity" It's ripe journalism bait and if a journalist decides to investigate they are going to write an article. Even if they don't find anything of value.
- ryandrake 2y agoThe symptoms you are describing are indicative of a subtle and well orchestrated ad campaign. You start seeing a lot of news articles about [commercial product]. You start hearing a lot of seemingly grassroots talk about [commercial product]. [Commercial product] is touted as miraculous and too good to be true. You start thinking maybe you need [commercial product]... Ask your doctor, you may be suffering from acute advertisement-induced judgment impairment.
- BigParm 2y agoThe amount of disguised ads I've seen for Ozempic is disturbing. Fake reddit posts with fake comments and fake upvotes.
- nradov 2y agoThere's a growing industry of telehealth providers which exist only to write semaglutide (Ozempic) prescriptions after a brief video chat. I think some of them are linked to compounding pharmacies. It wouldn't surprise me if some of them are astroturfing online forums for marketing.
- carabiner 2y agoLink? I've noticed HN is pretty paranoid/delulu about stuff like this.
- guelo 2y agoWhat about an $8 million super bowl ad yesterday for a GLP-1 prescription mill? It's like the new crypto coin hype.
- ryandvm 2y agoI'm not saying there's not a lot of hype here, but unlike crpyto, this is actually solving problems. I'm not going to get into a discussion about willpower and calories and all that, but GLP-1 drugs do effectively cause weight loss. That is bound to be big business.
- crooked-v 2y agoI'm not surprised. Unless some really drastic long-term negative effects come up, I think these drugs are going to end up as popular as caffeine or acetaminophen.
- oldpersonintx 2y ago[dead]
- lm28469 2y agoTo me the simple fact that millions of people kept telling us "being fat is OK and healthy" changed their mind over night now that they have a seemingly silver bullet is a big problem. That and the fact that 90% of fat/obese people could have fixed themselves with a bit of hard work and self control. What's the point of life if you're not able to control such basic things as what you ingest or how much you exercise, are you just at the complete mercy of McDonald's and Novo Nordisk. Having autonomy on your own body is such a basic thing, if you don't control that you control absolutely nothing If it works for them and has 0 negative health effect, good for them, but philosophically it opens up a lot of questions
- vikaveri 2y agoYou assume that is all about hard work, self control and iron will. I can assure you that it is not, in many cases. Two days after the first shot I realized that if this is how people feel normally two things are crystal clear. One, obesity can be clearly an illness, or medical condition, that can not be cured by willpower alone. Two, if something is easy as drinking a glass of water for you, you can be a real dick about it without even realizing it if you have no idea how others can experience it
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoI realized after my first increase from the starting dosage that the feeling I used to call "full" was what most people call "not too hungry", and I'd been genuinely satiated 4 or 5 times in the past decade at best.
- lm28469 2y agoI hope these people will come to the realisation that being skinny doesn't necessary mean being healthy, and that they basically traded a life long addiction to food for a life long dependance to a drug. ps: feel free to explain your downvotes
- rqtwteye 2y agoThere is a higher chance of being healthy when you are thin vs being fat. It’s not 100% but definitely worthwhile
- lm28469 2y agoSure but if you didn't care about putting the work while being fat why would you care about putting the work now that you're skinny, especially now that you're skinny while providing 0 effort. The mindset is the same, maybe even worse because it perpetuate the idea that modern medicine will fix you up no matter how much you fuck up
- bryanlarsen 2y agoOzempic side effects are nasty. It's hardly "0 effort".
- lm28469 2y agoObesity side effects are nasty as fuck too, yet here we are.
- Analemma_ 2y agoBecause a bunch of activities which help you remain healthy are easier when you're skinny. Jogging, hiking, and bouldering are all things I enjoy, but are very hard on my joints because I'm overweight: I'm looking forward to doing them more after I lose weight with GLP-1s, which might help prevent a rebound.
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- VOIPThrowaway 2y ago>>The doctors know they are privileged. The doctors are accomplished and astute.
- jerjerjer 2y agoIs that a Severance reference?
- ustad 2y agoYou would expect more from The New York Times. The article lacks depth in exploring potential downsides, broader accessibility, and possible conflicts of interest. It feels somewhat like an infomercial for the drugs rather than an objective piece of investigative reporting.
- ramesh31 2y agoThe potential long term effects of tinkering with the endocrine system just leave me too uneasy to give it a try as an otherwise healthy young person with a few pounds to lose. Good for diabetics and the morbidly obese, but the whole craze is just too much. Feels like Ephedra all over again.
- bad_haircut72 2y agoThis is a fine take, there's absolutely reason to not want to screw with one's body without cause. If youre 65 and obese though, probably its worth the risk rather than die within 10 years pf a heart attack
- nelblu 2y agoI hope this drug is safe for all the people consuming it. That said, as someone who prefers to stay fit the hard way (exercise, sleep and balanced diet) I would never take a drug to stay in shape or for that matter anything else that could be mitigated by lifestyle changes. About 11 years ago I was prescribed hypertension medication, I never went to the pharmacy to pick them up, instead I reduced my weight, started meditation and improved my cardio exercises and my hypertension is under control now. I know eventually I might need the drug (hereditary) but I will delay it as much as humanly possible. To each their own I guess.
- bad_haircut72 2y agoTo each their own, but you ought to meditate on how much of this "purity test" is just your own psychology looking for a way to feel better than others. If people start getting healthier/fitter from meds than "the hard way" would you be mad? What about people who lift every day and take steroids, they're in the same category as Ozempic patients right?
- js2 2y agoYour comment is typical of those I see on these new weight loss drugs. Not everyone can control their health issues through lifestyle changes alone. I successfully controlled hypertension with an hour a day of running but that's just not sustainable and I barely controlled it anyway. As I reached 50, my genetics and age caught up with me. My father and all my siblings take drugs for hypertension and now I do too. Similarly, my wife, who I've known since we were teenagers, fought her weight as long as we've been together. No amount of weight watchers, calorie counting, eating well and exercise allowed her to maintain a healthy weight. It's also exhausting being hungry all the time and fighting against your increasing weight. About two years ago she started Wagovy for legitimate health reasons. It's changed her life. She still exercises, eats well, and counts calories. What the Wagovy has enabled is for it not to be a constant battle with herself. She's not hungry all the time now maintaining a healthy weight. Unless you've really fought these battles, you don't know what other people are going through.
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- goda90 2y agoThis is tangential, but the fact there are a significant number of physicians with lifestyle diseases is testament to the idea that our food culture/industry is broken. As doctors they're probably not impoverished, ignorant, or even lazy. So the fact they also struggle to keep a healthy weight suggests maybe the food that's readily available is a big part of the problem.
- Hnrobert42 2y agoThis is my (mostly uninformed) belief. Living in Asia, I learned that what I thought of as full in the US is stuffed. There, I would eat a tasty meal at a reasonable pace, and get up feeling neutral to full. Here, I eat in kind of a ravenous rush in which I overeat before I realize it. My guess is that it's the amount of sugar, salt, and fat in Western food.
- sharpshadow 2y agoIt might not even be Western but US specific. I’ve heard a similar story of somebody having the same diet in the US and in EU but got weight in the US while staying the same in EU.
- soco 2y agoI might be the naive in the room by saying no it's not all western food like that. At least not here, or at least not in any restaurants I've been. But I'm not in the US and also don't go to fast food restaurants, so yeah might be wrong.
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- sharpshadow 2y agoGee the whole article reads like the latest South Park episode on weight loss drugs and then “…navigate the medical system…” got me out of nowhere. Was watching some comedy specials lately and looking into the crowd it’s quick to realise what a blessing these working weight loss drugs are for the US.
- 6510 2y agoI read 15% weight loss in 18 months, 0.83% per month. Starting at 120 kg that is about 1 kg per month. Works out to about 1 dollar per gram at 1000 $/month. running 8 km (or 5 miles) a day, you can lose 1 kg in 2 weeks. 110km/kg or 0.11 km/g or 110 m/$ or 0.9 cent per meter.
- readthenotes1 2y agoMany overweight people simply cannot run that far even if they wanted to. In fact it is one of the insidious things that gaining weight forms a vicious feedback loop. Also, often enough when people start exercising to lose weight they overcompensate by eating more and getting even more weight. Finally, the "diet and exercise" advice is clearly misleading as paid for by the sugar council. For almost everybody, our weight is dominated by what we consume. Some people can get out of this by exercising a lot, multiple hours a day, without getting injured or overcompensating, but that is not enough people to matter compared to the diet pushed on people. The first step to making America healthy again would be to criminalize adding sugar to food-like substances
- 6510 2y agoI never said anyone should take up running. Just running the numbers for laughs. > Many overweight people simply cannot run that far even if they wanted to. If that is what their doctor says. https://thewiredrunner.com/running-when-you-are-overweight-how-to-get-started/ https://thewiredrunner.com/running-when-you-are-overweight-h... > In fact it is one of the insidious things that gaining weight forms a vicious feedback loop. You get enormous muscles form all that weight and burn a lot more. > Also, often enough when people start exercising to lose weight they overcompensate by eating more and getting even more weight. Don't worry about it. The goal is health. You should eat more or you get sluggish, weak, fail to recover, get injuries and quit. > Finally, the "diet and exercise" advice is clearly misleading as paid for by the sugar council. For almost everybody, our weight is dominated by what we consume. Agreed, it's a pretty dumb abstraction. The funny thing tho is that at some point in the training the lack of consumption becomes a problem. Some marathon runners and some bodybuilders require 4500 kcal per day. Long before that people are trying to eat uncomfortable amounts of food. Good food of course, not random trash. Fat people already have enormous muscles and a trained digestive system. Switching to jacked isn't far away. If you grab a random 90 kg fit guy from the gym and put a 50 kg backpack on him his "running" wont be anywhere near that of a 140 kg couch potato. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/94xlCEJaVeg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/94xlCEJaVeg Ill message him and ask him to run... haha.... > Some people can get out of this by exercising a lot, multiple hours a day, without getting injured or overcompensating, but that is not enough people to matter compared to the diet pushed on people. I actually think that if you go all out on the exercise bike for 8-15 seconds and do a single 1r max deadlift per day people will be very surprised what happens. It is dramatically more than not doing anything. No cheating, it has to be all out on the bike and if you can lift it twice put more weight on it. Put the bar and the bike in the middle of the living room as an internal conversation piece. I think one will find that the internal protest starts around 10 seconds per day not hours.
- joshstrange 2y agoI cannot figure out where I come down on Ozempic (not that my opinion matters to anyone else and not like anyone asked me). On one hand I couple probably benefit from it. I'm about 80-100lbs over where I'd like to be but I recently lost 50lb (so I was 130-150lbs away before) without any drugs (and I have lost weight in the past successfully and kept it off until I got lazy). I think it comes from a combo of "If I don't need to rely on something I'd rather not" and "It feels like cheating". Digging into both those ideas comes up rather... empty. Neither are great reasons and so I keep mulling over "should I try it?". The only thing I'm fairly certain on is this: These are not meant to be "forever drugs" but many people will/do treat them as such. My understanding (which could be flawed) is this is a "3-12mo"-type thing. I really don't know how many people are using Ozempic and friends as "This is going to help me get on track" and "Look at this magical drug that makes me lose weight", I fear it's largely the second group.
- pentel-0_5 2y agoOzempic != Wegovy. While both are semaglutide, Wegovy is the therapeutic dosage for weight loss while Ozempic is the dosage to control type 2 diabetes. One is covered by Medicare, and the other is not because somehow being morbidly obese is a "choice".
- spants 2y agoside effects include bone density loss, muscle loss and blindness. I will stay podgy, thanks.