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Apple introduces iPad mini built for Apple Intelligence
- preaching5271 2y agoSo it's useless in Europe
- 234120987654 2y agoA17 Pro huh, that's a first for putting a pro chip in a non pro iPad, isn't it? I guess it's, as they advertise, to handle Apple Intelligence although I don't understand why they are doubling down on this _now_ while nothing from the newly announced AI stuff is available as of today...
- mcintyre1994 2y agoI'm guessing the delays to Apple Intelligence came late in the process and it was supposed to release with the new iPhones? And then they just left hardware plans as-is when the software got delayed.
- bobbylarrybobby 2y agoI'm guessing they were aiming for iOS 18 but caved to what they perceived was the popular demand at the time
- jsheard 2y agoIt makes sense, the iPad Pros graduated to using full blown M series chips so the A Pro chips they used to use can filter down the stack. edit: oops I mixed up A Pro and A X
- JonathonW 2y agoThe A17 Pro (originally in the iPhone 15 Pro; now also in the iPad Mini) and A18 Pro (currently only in the iPhone 16 Pro) are the only chips Apple has produced with a "Pro" suffix. Apple used to use the X suffix for bigger versions of their phone processors that went into iPads (starting with the A5X); that went away when the M-series was introduced. And the "Pro" suffix itself doesn't seem to denote anything in particular-- there was never a non-Pro A17, and the "A17 Pro" going into the iPad Mini is itself a cut-down version of the chip that went into the iPhone 15 Pro (it has one GPU core disabled).
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- jerojero 2y agoI wish they had improved the screen a little bit as well. It makes sense to update the model with apple intelligence but that might not be enough for a lot of people to upgrade. Perhaps we're looking at a device that simply will be out of lineup soon (next few years). I do like this form factor a lot though, well, eventually we'll get foldable phones to become mainstream I hope.
- lovethevoid 2y agoThe alleged roadmap leak indicates they’re aiming for 2026/2027 foldable screens (no word on whether it’s horizontal or vertical) so if all goes according to plan, you would be right that this is the last update for the “iPad mini” device.
- sgerenser 2y agoThere was some chatter on Macrumors that they flipped the orientation of the controller board so that the Jelly scrolling will be gone when used in portrait mode. That was the #1 display complaint on the outgoing model, so if its true then I’d count that as a win on improving the screen.
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- seunosewa 2y agoWouldn't that cause jelly scrolling in landscape mode?
- matrix2003 2y agoI think so, but fewer people use it in that orientation when reading.
- bananapub 2y ago> It makes sense to update the model with apple intelligence but that might not be enough for a lot of people to upgrade. that's fine? it's a very mature segment - medium-price small screen tablet. it hasn't even really been updated since 2021, and that was basically new case+usb-c.
- tommica 2y agoLooks really nice, wish could afford it, but Apple products are so expensive... Commodity products for premium price
- skadamat 2y agoI usually like to buy these 1-2 years old off Craigslist / Marketplace and that's been a sweet spot for price and quality. Apple has always been about premium price and quality but I agree that it's not for everyone and their needs.
- mezeek 2y agoIt's ok, lotsa people have the money for it.
- auc 2y agoApple products are not commodity, because there is very little fungibility due to network effects. Maybe their hardware is commodity (arguable), but the product + integrations are not.
- meroes 2y agoMany of these devices aren’t actually fungible commodities though.I tried to buy a phone in the $200 range and Android phones were so much worse than used iPhones. I they would drop calls and freeze on the dial pad during long calls where I was on hold. Tried two different models and had the same issues. I could have tried a used $200 Android but I was not wanting to try for a third Android. All I wanted/needed was to make important calls. So I guess I don’t see them as commodities which implies fungibility.
- II2II 2y agoI realize that there are bad Androids out there and the abundance of choice makes it difficult to sift through the good and the bad, but there are good Android phones out there in the $200-$300 USD range. My current phone is a bit over three years old and it is still very usable.
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- ivanjermakov 2y agoIt's sad that "ultraportable iPad" marketing works, but "ultraportable iPhone" does not make sense for most people. iPhone 13 mini was the last flagship smartphone with such dimensions.
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- Mistletoe 2y agoHow long do we have on the 13 mini before it becomes so slow I have to get a new phone? I don’t know what I’ll do at that point. On the 12 mini now and can never go to a big phone.
- SllX 2y agoProbably a couple of more years provided you can keep replacing your battery. I’m on a 13 Pro Max which has the same SoC as a 13 Mini and while I might want a battery replacement within the next year, the phone itself has no performance issues. I think the iPhone 12 model line is essentially in the same boat, just a little bit older and with worse batteries.
- thejsa 2y agoThe battery was the main reason I moved from my 12 mini to a 15 (save for USB-C) — just wasn’t holding up, even after a replacement. I still hold out for a 17 mini, though.
- zie 2y agoA few years still. The XR is still supported with iOS 18.
- sdo72 2y agoMy 3 years old iPhone mini 13 is still very fast, reliable, and I love every part of the phone. It's such an amazing phone that functions well. The only thing got worsened is the battery, now at 87% even though I always charge it to 80-85%, now I have to charge it to 100% to use through the day. I still have extra power (like 30%) for a whole day. Replacing the battery isn't a problem. If Apple does support it like other models, it should last another 4-5 years more. I have no plan to upgrade to anything as I don't see anything comparable on the horizon.
- marbletiles 2y agoThe mini is the absolute sweet spot for me - enough portability that I don’t mind the many restrictions of iPad OS. But the A-line chips and low-quality screen are problems, and not being able to properly dock it at a monitor is a real hinderance. None of those are addressed here, unfortunately.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoConsidering the bestselling laptops at Walmart for $400-500 still sometimes have Twisted Nematic displays, I think the screen is fine. I also don’t get the complaint about the A-series chip. What does an M1 unlock in iPadOS that the A17 doesn’t?
- skydhash 2y agoI think stage manager? And the A1 can get hot sometimes (PDFs and Procreate).
- gjsman-1000 2y agoI can’t find any mention of Stage Manager being supported on this device - so either it doesn’t, or the help pages haven’t been updated yet. I will say though the criticism of the A-series getting hot doesn’t make sense. If the A-series gets hot, the M-series is going to be boiling in that tiny chassis.
- 0x457 2y ago> I will say though the criticism of the A-series getting hot doesn’t make sense. If the A-series gets hot, the M-series is going to be boiling in that tiny chassis. Depends on a particular A and M chip, tho.
- rgreekguy 2y agoThe screen has the same pixel density as the iPhones'. Which is better than any other iPad model's.
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- sroussey 2y agoA17 Pro and WiFi 6E like the iPhone 15 Pro, not like the iPhone 16 series.
- jessekv 2y agoThe lineup sizes are filling in, a bit like A-series paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
- throwaway48476 2y agoIt is interesting that one of their examples is a "community repair fair", they want to market a sheen of social responsibility without actually taking part themselves.
- ranunez64 2y agoIt is interesting that one of their examples is a "Mahjong Club", they want to market a sheen of board game enthusiasm without actually taking part themselves.
- giancarlostoro 2y agoLowkey wish their laptops would be as they used to be. Being able to swap RAM or hard drives is so basic but so useful.
- talldayo 2y agoDrives in particular. Let them solder the memory if they absolutely have to, but exposing even an empty NVMe slot should be standard for laptops. Unfortunately, Apple makes a pretty penny off the storage surcharge so I wouldn't really anticipate that anytime soon.
- franciscop 2y agoThey no longer even have a "memory" chip anymore, it's all part of the same SOC AFAIK, so they cannot "solder" it.
- angoragoats 2y agoThe RAM is still very much bog-standard DDR4/DDR5 chips, soldered on a PCB right next to the CPU. Here's an example pic of an M3 motherboard. The CPU/GPU is under the metal piece with the Apple logo on it, and the memory is the two rectangular chips immediately above that. https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/M3-Macs.jpg https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/M3-Macs....
- kokada 2y agoWould be nice if Apple also introduced a new base iPad with at least support for a decent Apple Pencil. I want to buy my wife an iPad, but she wants to draw and the Apple Pencil USB-C doesn't support presure levels, so it is either a base iPad with an old Apple Pencil 1st Gen (that still is lightining) or paying extra for the iPad Air and Apple Pencil 2nd Gen/Pro. The fact that Apple Pencil USB-C doesn't support presure levels at ALL is infuriating too.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoIf she's looking to sketch or just doesn't mind not having color, I can't recommend the Kindle Scribe enough. I bought it for reading but it's become my combination work notes/presentation board/drawing tablet, and I absolutely love it. The premium pencil honestly smokes the Apple pencil and it feels so nice to use. I just wish it did color too.
- 1123581321 2y agoThe Air is a significantly better drawing display.
- kokada 2y agoShe basically wants to draw notes and do some doodling, so it is not like it would make much difference and the price delta is huge between the base iPad and the iPad Air.
- alpaca128 2y agoThe older generations are still available and cheaper, they just don't support the newest Pencil Pro.
- dangus 2y agoThe Wikipedia article for the Apple Pencil has a compatiblity matrix that is very helpful in this regard, since it's so damn confusing. I think if I was in the market for a drawing device on a budget I'd go with an iPad Air that supports the Apple Pencil 2nd generation. Something like the iPad Air 5th or 4th would do well.
- rvnx 2y agoIs there somewhere where this Apple Intelligence can be used ?
- zie 2y agoSome of it is available in the beta's, but no, it's not released to stable yet.
- dumbo-octopus 2y agoWhich boggles the mind… did nobody tell the software team that a release was coming?
- fshbbdssbbgdd 2y agoApple doesn’t have a reputation for letting engineers slack. I have to guess they are working like dogs to meet some standard before they are willing to release.
- dumbo-octopus 2y agoThey don’t have a reputation for releasing hardware without software to back it either. One way or another, an unprecedented process failure has occurred.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 2y agoWell, the phone’s software works great. They just haven’t released those new AI features - which are supposed to come out on some older devices as well. And it’s hardly the first time Apple delayed a release. IMO, the only thing weird here is the way the iPhone 16 demo day kept talking about these unreleased features front and center instead of the actual capabilities of the new phone. Probably that’s because the phone is so incremental and there was not much to talk about.
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- marmaduke 2y agolol as if teachers have money to buy this to make their lessons plans.
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- All4All 2y agoYou might be surprised as to how many are willing to make the splurge. Anecdotal, but I'm married to a high school teacher. She and several of her coworkers have been willing to eat the cost personally just to avoid using dated district-provided assets, which are often clucky and make the job worse.
- criddell 2y agoThis is the salary schedule for teacher in the district my kids were in: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BN_Q51d_wUFMs7ajdwI07ESmnmS4ySDd/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BN_Q51d_wUFMs7ajdwI07ESmnmS... Teachers get $55k-$72k depending on their qualifications. Not great, but not poverty levels either. If they want an iPad, they can probably get one.
- wslh 2y agoI love iPad minis, but a keyboard folio for this size would be great. I've used this form factor with the iPad Air for writing, and it's perfect for carrying in a small bag. I know this is an expensive toy, though. [*] For reference, the iPad Air with the Magic Keyboard is about as heavy as a 13" MacBook Air.
- criddell 2y agoI bought and returned a 13" iPad Pro M4 because I couldn't get a Smart Keyboard Folio for it. Only the Magic Keyboard is available. I'm still using my 2018 iPad Pro.
- teejmya 2y agoSame, I actually bought a few of the Smart Keyboard Folios to use as they die. Upgraded to the M2 iPad Air, as I think it's the last of this form factor... It is just such a shame they discontinued the keyboard. It makes for the perfect iPad with a full keyboard.
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- zer0zzz 2y agoAll I want to know is can it do windowed multi tasking with stage manager?
- protoman3000 2y agoThe size of the mini is really the best, but the external monitor support is very disappointing. Do jailbreaks etc. allow for native monitor resolutions or are we limited to the iPads screen resolution by hardware?
- gmokki 2y agoI think the official specs say it can display 4k screen over DP connector. Not sure if jailbreaks allow more resolutions
- poszlem 2y agoI still remember the Steve Jobs era when people would praise Apple for having a simple lineup of devices, in contrast to Android, which had some crazy amount of variants of every device. How times have changed.
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- wslh 2y agoRegarding variants, it continue to be more complex to buy a Microsoft Windows notebook.
- alpaca128 2y agoWhat other large brand has a simpler lineup? Samsung released 22 phones just in 2024 with memorable names like C55 and M05. Although I wouldn't mind if they got rid of one or two iPhone variants, or at least gave them more meaningful names. I have no idea what the difference between Plus, Pro and Max is. I only know that Pro doesn't mean pro, and that doesn't make it any easier. Edit: also Steve Jobs was still alive when you could choose between four different iPod variants.
- walterbell 2y agoGoogle Pixel has one Tablet.
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- alpaca128 2y agoWithin the first year of release there was also just one iPhone and one iPad. Meanwhile there are 4 variants of the Pixel 9. So clearly Google shows the same trend over time.
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- insane_dreamer 2y agoNice choice, always been my favorite size. Surprised though that they don't have an option with cellular so you can have always-on data access (i.e., with a data-only plan). Updated: my bad, it does come with cellular -- it's just not advertised on the main product page
- wiredfool 2y agoI'm seeing it on the Ireland store, for 170 eur.
- dce 2y agoSame in US, $150.
- giancarlostoro 2y agoMost carriers offer iPads as far back as I remember? You have to get it through their stores though.
- throwaway48476 2y agoDo you still need to buy the cellular version to get a GPS chip?
- hnburnsy 2y agoUgh, that bezel. Will full coverage screens with a software driven, virtual bezel every be a thing?
- gjsman-1000 2y agoUgh, my batteries need recharging. Will nuclear powered phones with built-in fusion reactors that never need recharging ever be a thing?
- ClassyJacket 2y agoAn edge to edge screen is entirely technically feasible tho. The iPhone has it.
- alpaca128 2y agoI don't get why some people get so worked up about bezels. I like being able to hold my devices without accidental inputs, and to me they look better anyway. I wouldn't mind 3cm wide bezels and accordingly larger batteries.
- hnburnsy 2y agoVirtual bezels and let the user choosing.
- cut3 2y agoDynamically get larger as battery life decreases
- alpaca128 2y agoAnd pay for a screen size I won't use? No, thanks.
- hnburnsy 2y agoCould be dynamic, example, watching a movie, no bezels. Remove the bezels from the top and/or bottom, that changes on the device orientation. Placed in a stand remove the bezels, add them back when picked up.
- pcurve 2y ago120hz would’ve been nice… since they likely won’t make pro modal in this size.
- volemo 2y agoI luckily don’t care for higher refresh rate, but I’m disappointed this model doesn’t come with OLED.
- All4All 2y agoDoes anyone here have insight as to the differences between the various versions of Apple's "Smart HDR" feature? Interesting to see it took the leap from Smart HDR3 (previous model) to Smart HDR 4 (new model), and yet the latest iPhones released last month apparently use Smart HDR 5.
- turnsout 2y agoThe version is tied to the Image Signal Processor (ISP) of the A-series chip. So the A17 has Smart HDR 4, while the A18 has Smart HDR 5. Smart HDR uses neural image segmentation for tone mapping and other processing. In my opinion it goes way too far; trying to grab a faintly blue sky and make it as blue as possible, identifying a face and lightening any hint of a shadow, etc. When people complain about iPhone photos looking over processed, this is why.
- formerly_proven 2y agoSmart HDR 5 but Auto WB is still stuck in kindergarten. Priorities I guess.
- turnsout 2y agoGreat point—the basics like WB and exposure still get confused by something as simple as a field of green grass or a white wall.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion on official post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41848298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41848298
- dang 2y agoWe'll merge those comments hither.
- zer0zzz 2y agoPretty sure theres no stage manager, hard pass. Sticking to my 6.
- rgreekguy 2y agoWell, they call it stage manager, but in iOS 18 (too) it only offers split screen and one window overlaid to the side. There is an example in the page somewhere.
- zer0zzz 2y agoThat’s not stage manger it’s Split View and Slide Over https://support.apple.com/en-us/102576 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102576
- rgreekguy 2y agoYou are correct. I would have sworn it was called Stage Manager in 17... For what it's worth, searching for "Stage Manager" in Settings returns only stuff in this multitasking page of settings.
- zer0zzz 2y agoAll I’ve wanted is a pocket iOS device that I can dock and use for some desktop-like use cases. I had really hoped that the iPad mini would get stage manager for this reason. Oh well
- dang 2y agoWe changed the URL from https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/ but readers may want to check out both.
- urda 2y agothanks dang
- ChuckMcM 2y agoIn many ways (no pun intended :-)) I would relate to having an iPad mini and a much much dumber phone which was just text/chat and voice. I have gotten there because I'm constantly in this weird tension between wanting a bigger screen on my phone because the app I'm using and wanting a smaller phone so that it is easier to pocket and carry around. A friend of mine did the folding screen phone thing and that has its advantages but I really like a small phone (and ideally with a long battery life so no 1000 nit screens on it). Definitely first world/21st century problems :-). I do find engineering tradeoffs in product design an interesting thing though.
- zitterbewegung 2y agoBump up from 64 GB default to 128 GB is nice.
- lucb1e 2y agoIt certainly was, like eight years ago when I got the bigger SD card for my phone At this point, the only word that can be applied to it is "overdue" for anything who uses it beyond a thin client for server-side storage or a streaming service
- Gigachad 2y agoUh, I'd be willing to bet that almost all ipad mini users use cloud storage and streaming services. That's an extremely common use case.
- vjulian 2y agoI have an older (but not old) Mini, and I find it almost unusable, as screen elements don’t scale up. For example, Safari browser buttons are stupidly small. Is that still an issue with the Mini?
- rgreekguy 2y agoI am not sure I understand what you mean by the scaling issues, so, I guess, no? I have the 6th generation. The problem I have (and I do not see getting improved, somehow) is that applications do not care for it. Many times I have to turn it to landscape for some more room to fit everything. Most applications feel better on landscape, but then you lose vertical space. Affinity Photo 1 is very guilty of that, having buttons overlay each other on the left.
- vjulian 2y agoElements such as buttons and scroll bars are too small for my big fingers and relative to the size of the device.
- dialup_sounds 2y agoThe mini display is 326 PPI vs 264 PPI for larger iPads, but the same scale factor so things will always be smaller. (iPhones with even higher PPI use a 3x scale.) That said, you can embiggen things like Safari browser buttons under Settings > Accessibility > Display & Text Size > Larger Text.
- glhaynes 2y agoI'd also suggest playing with the setting here if you just want everything to be scaled up a bit: Settings > Display & Brightness > Display Zoom > Larger Text.
- vjulian 2y agoThank you. Larger text does just that and in some cases makes buttons even more difficult to use. My eyes are fine, and my fingers are big…unfortunately rendering the Mini mainly useless for me.
- mlajtos 2y agoiPad mini 2024 with Pencil Pro and Math Notes is going to revolutionize math education.
- p00dles 2y agoWhat is math notes?
- stephanerangaya 2y agoMath Notes calculator allows users to type or write out mathematical expressions and see them solved in their own handwriting https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/16/24194423/math-notes-ipad-ios-18-calculator-app https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/16/24194423/math-notes-ipad-...
- p00dles 2y agowow, cool
- hggigg 2y agoMathematician here. No it's really not. Having used it extensively it craps out all the time, fails to parse things properly, doesn't understand anything other than a very narrow undefined subset of anything that needs to be done and generally makes things harder. It sure looks like it would though. Noteful and a competent calculator with CAS functionality on the other hand might be a different outcome.
- bbor 2y agoTo be fair, “math education” usually refers to the millions that learn arithmetic, algebra, and geometry every year, not the (tens of?) thousands that take part graduate level courses in “real” mathematics. Although I’m curious; do you think it would handle basic calculus (aka as taught in Calc survey courses up through multivariate)? In other words: does it know how to evaluate integrals and derivatives? Because I’d guess more people take those classes than all their descendants combined. Either way, and on a more fundamental note: I’m a little dubious that “completing equations” is a net benefit for math education. It really seems like a small nice-to-have-available affordance tacked on to the real game changer: a computer that can adaptively challenge a student and competently answer clarifying questions without making it too easy. Y’know, just AGI stuff lol As we’ve all seen from ChatGPT’s impact on English courses already, this all will require a fundamental rethink of how we teach children and adolescents. Homework is a bandaid over capitalist failings, and it’s beginning to peel…
- RIMR 2y agoAll of this looks good, but if they want to retain trust with artists, the last thing they should be doing is integrating generative AI tools into their art programs. Creatives are getting more and more frustrated with the AI tools showing up in places like Windows or in Photoshop. For the first time ever I am meeting career artists and designers who are actively looking to add non-AI alternatives to their usual toolchains because they feel betrayed by the addition of generative AI. Apple is asking to lose the trust of a major market segment by charging forward with this stuff. You would think that the backlash to their "Crush!" commercial would have been an eye-opening moment for them about what Artists actually expect from them...
- matrix2003 2y ago> Creatives are getting more and more frustrated with the AI tools showing up in places like Windows or in Photoshop. I would be careful about bias here. The loudest people are often the most unhappy. I have several graphic design friends who have fully embraced integrating AI into their workflows.
- WhyNotHugo 2y agoIt's not like artists have a choice. They've been abused by Adobe and similar organisations for decades now, and remain locked in their siloes. Sure, in theory they could switch to Linux with Krita and Gimp or something, but every time I've heard artists chime in on this, they claim that the software is to immature or lacks features that they need. I _wish_ they could switch to open source software, but they've been putting up with Adobe's abuse for a long time now. This new development is unlikely to change anything. And just to be clear: I wish I was wrong here. I wish they could and did move to open source tooling.
- fennecbutt 2y agoYet "creatives" have been using PS etc this whole time as a way to magnify their skills anyway, the hypocrites. Using a PS brush the machine is doing 50-90% of the work for them, and therefore what they're producing isn't art, according to their recent dichotomy.
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- metadat 2y agoWhy is the bezel so thick? A 1-2cm bezel around the entire "mini" device seems a bit odd, given that the iPad Mini is a relatively tiny device and phones these days come with a 1-2mm bezel (10x less useless border). Is it a cost saving measure / sneaky margin increaser, or what might be the motivation? Edit: Touch interference is a good idea. Still, from the picture, it looks like the bezel could be half as thick and work well. Sorry to be such a stickler, I am genuinely curious if Apple is chasing better margins, the best feasible UX, or something else. Could it be that since this device is only $650 USD, it isn't expensive enough to warrant a premium display? (Like the iPhone SE https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/) If so, I wish there was a fancier "Pro" model with premium components. IIRC, I paid $1000 for my first iPad, it was the first super high-resolution one back in 2012. Perhaps there aren't enough customers who are sensitive to wasted screen real estate on an 8-inch device.. and FWIW I have noticed a constant stream of toddlers pacified by iPad Minis whenever I'm at Costco.
- spython 2y agoI think it's so that the fingers holding the device don't obstruct the view/ don't get counted as touch event.
- MichaelZuo 2y agoI’d be surprised if thumb rejection/palm rejection isn’t close to perfect by iPadOS 18.
- browningstreet 2y agoI’m forever triggering the camera app, while locking the device, on my iPhone 15 pro max. Every day, regularly.
- dankwizard 2y agoHow small are your hands?
- nicbou 2y agoSince Apple Intelligence won’t be available in the EU, this is a very underwhelming refresh. I do love my iPad Mini to bits though. I use mine purely to read, sketch and take notes. It does not receive any notifications. I carry it almost everywhere I go.
- jdswain 2y agoI got an 8" Android tablet instead of an iPad mini. What I wanted, was to have something really compact that I could use emacs on, mainly for org-roam, notes and writing in general, not for writing code. It works well with termux, I don't think there is a good way to have a local version of emacs on iOS. The keyboard is the most important part really (although I did want a good screen too). I'm on my second keyboard, they are only about $30 each, which is better than iPad prices. The first one wasn't so convenient to unfold quickly, the new one is working really well.
- Aeolun 2y agoCan I just get a a flagship iPhone sized like an iPhone SE please?
- quesera 2y agoRumor has it that the SE 4 will be released in early 2025. It will have the new flagship A18 processor and adequate RAM for Apple Intelligence. Unfortunately, it will be larger (6.1") than the SE 3 (4.7"). Probably with a notch and Face ID as well. :(
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- Etheryte 2y agoMy theory is that this will only ever happen if battery technology improves enough that they can get the same battery life as current flagship models, but in that smaller form factor. People may say they don't care about battery life or charging, but if a year or two in you have to charge every night, it is an inconvenience, even if not front and center. I suspect this is one of the main reasons they don't want to do that right now, they don't want to create this image of oh damn, my Apple device is out of battery again.
- russellbeattie 2y agoThat page uses a lot of words to say, "We added more RAM because there's no way we could make an LLM useful in only 4GB. While we were there, we updated the CPU. Might as well.(We grabbed the A17 Pro because we were in a rush.)"
- hankman86 2y agoOne would think that they avoid the embarrassment of releasing another device before their AI features are even available. But no.
- HumblyTossed 2y agoRemember folks, this is a US$3Trillion company and they can't get their flagship products shipped. Something is very wrong at Apple.
- thr0waway001 2y agoNever had an iPad but I think I will buy this one.
- ratedgene 2y agoI'm curious about users who do use something similar. I have an iPad pro, but I find either a notebook and pen, or butcher paper and pen to be far superior for capturing anything. Can someone tell me how they're increasing their creative productivity with these outside of making illustrations? I have a ton of ideas that I organize and illustrate, but I can't give up my pen/paper as I haven't found the killer combo yet.
- dmix 2y ago> but I find either a notebook and pen, or butcher paper and pen to be far superior for capturing anything. I have phases where I convince myself this is true, in between switching back to a note taking app (TickTick last few yrs) and every time I go back it's because it a) has total historical recall + a search box when I want to find something and b) I already carry my phone everywhere, like the grocery store, or I'm on my laptop for work. Papers only true benefit is focus and "zen" stuff.
- CubsFan1060 2y agoUsing Goodnotes (because it has pretty good search) and https://shop.astropad.com/products/rock-paper-pencil https://shop.astropad.com/products/rock-paper-pencil, made it a much more enjoyable experience for me. Of course, I'm also pretty bad at taking notes in general, so I don't use it nearly as much as I should.
- ratedgene 2y agoooooh neat, I'll check it out. Thanks
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- DennisP 2y agoI'm wondering how advanced it can get with the math. If it had capabilities like decent symbolic math software, that'd be pretty interesting.
- gcanyon 2y agoIf it were possible to do so, I would possibly buy this as my new "phone": - I almost never hold my phone to my ear - I don't need the dual-lens features of the new iPhones - Standby battery life seems up to the challenge - Apple doesn't offer the iPhone Mini anymore, which is what I'm carrying now. If I'm going bigger, why not actually go BIGger. Things holding me back: - Not actually sure about the battery life - As far as I know you can't transfer your actual phone line to a Mini
- ks2048 2y agoLast last point makes me wonder: why have phone numbers at all?
- thrdbndndn 2y agoThere are still lots of services requiring a phone number (at registering or using it for 2FA). No one likes it but that's the reality. And no, virtual numbers like Google Voice are often (but not always) blocked.
- ks2048 2y agoI can see why people want a phone number now. I was thinking more about why society doesn’t move away from phone numbers (for me, it’s been a hastle to be linked to a carrier and a country)
- joha4270 2y agoWhat better system can you think off? That allows calling the doctor, a restaurant, or that friend-of-a-friend who is selling a tractor? Without requiring people self-host a brunch of infrastructure (I like self-hosting stuff, most people wouldn't) Also, inertia
- cujo 2y agoi think the problem isn't the phone number, but the special hardware/vendor lock in that is required for it. if you travel a lot or live in a country where it is just easy to cross borders as a part of life, it quickly becomes obvious that being tethered to a regional provider for your phone number is a problem. you end up paying ridiculous roaming fees to keep your number active in the other country, or you lose any ability for people to contact you by phone. it's incredibly frustrating when voip is so close, but not the 100% solution. couple that with providers still charging ridiculous fees to call numbers in other countries and it gets even worse.
- dangoodmanUT 2y agoBEZEL
- llIIllIIllIIl 2y agoThis Apple Intelligence starts reminding about Tesla Autopilot. I hope they will not hire people on the other side of the world to click buttons on your phone.
- yreg 2y agoThat's not how Autopilot works.
- llIIllIIllIIl 2y agoI’m not sure it’s polite or technically correct to put “autopilot” and “works” in the same sentence.
- yreg 2y agoI use it all the time and it works very well. Do you have any experience with it?
- paul7986 2y agoApple Intelligence more like Apple Idiotic as ... - Today the summary it gave to an iMessage was "Going to sleep, talk to you tomorrow." The girl and I scheduled a video chat date and she said nothing of the sort rather, "Getting ready for tomorrow (along with some other stuff), talk to you soon." - Siri is still stupid especially compared to ChatGPT on the same iPhone. I use ChatGPT.. speak to it to count my calories throughout the day at the various places i eat at (Chipolte, Cava, Panera, etc) which it knows calories for everything, calculates and keeps track so i add later add my dinner calorie count .. it even knows how many calories i had on Saturday (still recalls it and speaks it upon me asking). Siri via Apple Intelligence is still the old stupid Siri one pony trick which you still can only speak to it once vs. ChatGPT have a conversation with. What was this Apple Intelligence supposed to do and how was it supposed to be better? I want a ChatGPT phone and by Microsoft sure their Windows Phone was nice!
- jojobas 2y agoThere's intelligence, and there's Apple intelligence.
- mbirth 2y agoNow turn off the Internet connection and try talking to ChatGPT again...
- paul7986 2y agolol im sure it would be rendered useless... personally i dont care if chatGPT knows my life too like Google, Facebook and etc. All personal preference on how and where we spend our digital lives.
- fennecbutt 2y agoFunnily enough, your car doesn't float. So don't try using it as a boat.
- mbirth 2y agoThe point is: Apple Intelligence works on your device. Nothing is sent to some remote server. That's also why Siri appears to be dumb compared to Google's, Samsung's and other assistants that work via a huge cloud where all your requests are sent to.
- stanislavb 2y agoWhat I want Apple to introduce is a multi-user option for the iPad. Then, I'm buying one of them for the family. We just don't want (or need) an iPad per person.
- xyz-x 2y agoToo bad Apple hasn't released Apple AI at all; why bother with press releases featuring it? (EU)
- seanvelasco 2y agoi would've considered this if it had slimmer bezels or a 120 Hz display. the current iPad Mini is laggy compared to other iPads, and i'm not sure why. an iPhone with the same processor is not laggy at all. it becomes obvious when scrolling or opening and closing apps.
- alexellisuk 2y agoIf Apple's listening.. a 120Hz would have sold this for me. I'm still on a 2018 iPad Pro because the upgrade isn't worth the enormous cost including a basic keyboard and pencil, and the only device that has a 120Hz drawing experience is that iPad Pro. For anyone who thinks the pencil on a 60Hz screen is "great", you need to try it on an iPad Pro next time you're in the apple store. You'll see the difference between the "ink" trailing and lagging, and actually drawing as you move the nib.
- fennecbutt 2y agoBut how else are they meant to make their trillions
- Jiahang 2y agoi use it like Kindle
- imposter 2y agoI find it hilarious that Apple is selling the new iphones with AI features that only works on the new devices because they apparently don't require the cloud, and instead run locally. Apple's logic:- saving private photos on the cloud is good for privacy, while doing AI computation on the cloud is somehow bad for it ?
- blahgeek 2y agoThe logic is sound. Storage can be end-to-end encrypted, but it cannot be used for computation.
- nox101 2y agoI've heard through the grapevine that Apple is having trouble making Apple Intelligence not give lots of bad or wrong advice/suggestions/etc... (same as most LLMs). I would be amazing to me (as in "get out the popcorn") if Apple decided not to ship Apple Intelligence and came out with a public statement saying LLM tech is not ready or is a dead end and effectively implying that other LLM companies are selling snake oil. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/10/llms-cant-perform-genuine-logical-reasoning-apple-researchers-suggest/ https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/10/llms-cant-perform-genuine...
- BillyTheKing 2y agoPeople just have less tolerance for errors using apple products.. that doesn't mean that other LLM companies sell snake-oil, people just have a higher error tolerance for them and are learning to work 'with' those LLMs
- fennecbutt 2y agoNo they don't. They have more tolerance for errors imo, because they've been told "it just works" so many times that when it doesn't work, their brain has to skip it. So many iPhone friends point at some problem my Sammy might have like it's broken all the time yet completely ignore when their own phones have issues, or glaring design flaws like the lack of a consistent back button, a major os feature in 2024 being "you can have a custom lock screen and home screen wallpaper" lmao
- cujo 2y agoworking with llms as part of my day job and i wouldn't fault them one bit. the errors and reliability issues are not overblown.
- zombot 2y agoSelling machine learning stuff as "intelligence" raises false expectations and is ultimately fraud. I can't wait for this whole overblown hype to crash and burn.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoI dunno, it could be construed as a marketing phrase well enough, not unlike other technologies they have - True Tone, Cinema, etc. I mean the Apple TV isn't a TV. Autopilot is more henious I think because it was actually marketed as autopilot.
- yreg 2y agoAutopilot literally does what it means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopilot
- crossroadsguy 2y agoThat's an Apple thing. They developed this habit (if not addiction) after bringing features to their devices very late, sometimes a decade later than their competitors. They thought it was better to call those basic features with fancy multi word names with ™ symbols at the end and that resonates with their fan base in perfect harmony. So I think the habit stuck.
- yreg 2y agoOh yes, because the other companies don't call machine learning 'intelligence' ;)
- fennecbutt 2y agoWhatabout fallacy.
- spogbiper 2y agohigh dpi = "Retina" high refresh rate = "Promotion" vibrating phone = "Taptic Engine" there are probably more. and calling AR "spatial computing" seems similar though I don't think its completely a made up marketing term
- c120 2y agoLooks like this is eSIM only - which is a show stopper. I'll have to research if they release a SIM mobile option somewhere on earth, if not, I'll probably stick with my current Mini 5 a bit longer (or pick up a discounted Mini 6 for the wait)
- freedomben 2y agoSomeone had to have the courage to drop the physical SIM slot
- Etheryte 2y agoWhy would that be a show stopper? eSIM is incredibly widely available (see [0] and [1]), you have a number of choices in most countries these days. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/101569 https://support.apple.com/en-us/101569 [1] https://esim-world.com/ https://esim-world.com/
- corywright 2y agoFor me, it's a showstopper because Google Fi does not yet support eSIMs for their data-only SIMs.
- lynguist 2y agoI want this but why no OLED? :'( iPhone went OLED in 2017. And they didn’t OLED the poor iPad mini (the best iPad) in a newly released model in 2024!? :'(
- fennecbutt 2y agoThey want you to buy the pro. Helps contribute to their trillions profits. Same with low iPhone models only getting 60hz now. Maybe they should have branded it with their usual marketing bullshit jargon
- stonecharioteer 2y agoIt sucks that Samsung doesn't have a 7 inch Galaxy S10 Tablet. I would buy that, and I own a tab S9 Ultra. Samsung, make a 7 inch tablet with a Qualcomm chip and AMOLED screen please! I'll take even an 8 inch screen.
- janandonly 2y agoIn the EU , I don’t see any mentioning of “intelligence”. Just a “new iPad mini”
- brainzap 2y agoI bought an ipad mini second hand this year, it is so fun. I use it heavily for note taking with pencil, audio notes and watching youtube.
- fullstackchris 2y agoCan they stop with the iPad crap? I just want to see the macbook pro M4 stuff!
- eravulgaris 2y agoOh nice. Just in time for a barely upgraded Siri!
- styczen 2y agostil without terminal , brew and cc
- freedomben 2y agoWhy would you want this on an appliance? Would you expect terminal or brew on your toaster?
- gregoriol 2y agoWhat is going on with Apple's ratio on the iPads: all the original models had 4/3, then iPad Air 4 and iPad 10 got ~4.3/3, then iPad mini 6 got ~4.5/3 What could be Apple's rationale on this? why so many slightly different formats? and why those, they add black bars or crop to most normal content... pictures from the camera for example are still in 4/3 so they are cropped in Photos, videos are in 16/9 so they still have black bars, ...
- freedomben 2y agoThis is especially amusing to me because back in the day when iOS developers would shit on Android, they almost all said (verbatim) "fragmentation" as the reason why iOS was great and Android sucked. "On Android you have a bunch of different screen sizes to deal with so it's hard to make a nice app. On iOS it's all standardized and simple. That is the Apple Way and the whole ecosystem is consistent like that which makes it a joy to develop for and use."
- fennecbutt 2y agoIn a way having to dev for fragmented is annoying but valuable, as once you've done it it should handle everything. I imagine so many iOS apps are like a glass animal; fragile beasts.