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Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all
- pmontra 2y agoChina, Russia and many other countries will enthusiastically use Windows to send their secrets to cloud servers in the USA /s
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoRussian army stopped using Windows many years ago. They switched to Linux. UK's ships with nuclear war heads are still using Windows XP.
- rezokun 2y agoBut why so? Doesn't this mean that Microsoft want (and will) to spy on the contents of your screen anyway even if Recall "disabled"?
- sensanaty 2y agoHow the fuck can this be legal? I really wish the US would stop coddling these disgusting megacorps and would actually bring out some guillotines instead. M$ still existing is a complete farce and mockery.
- buzzert 2y agoDon't expect the government to do anything about this. The Five Eyes intelligence agencies are absolutely salivating over the fact that all of the data they have to collect is now colocated into a single area/feature.
- rldjbpin 2y agosince currently it is only compatible for select new devices, is it possible to do the inverse of the TPM "fix" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39384039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39384039) in this case? in other words, can we fool the os to thinking that the device is not compatible? in terms of NPU compute maybe. ps: the "free space" workaround is a hilarious approach if at all effective.
- fennecbutt 2y agoWtf were they thinking. So now my computer has a nice up to 50gb repository is screenshots, sure "local ocr" but in the event someone can access that cache of screenshots they could for example watch me navigate my banking site/banking details etc. If someone uses the "show password" option then their password is exposed. These tech exec idiots too rich now, the billions and desire for trillions has seeped into their shriveled brains.
- userbinator 2y agoI suspect this will lead to an increase in the number of people staying on Win10 and below. Naturally, MS will also continue spreading their usual FUD in their attempts at persuading the userbase to "bend over and take it". This will also lead to an increased demand for custom "distros" and modding tools and such, which has always been a bit of an "underground" community but has occasional resurgences. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40130230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40130230 As the old saying goes: "challenge accepted." ;-)
- x3n0ph3n3 2y agoI can't imagine IT departments are going to put up with this, either.
- wingmanjd 2y agoNope, not enjoying this at all. We're already looking at full OS alternatives for our workloads.
- slowmovintarget 2y agoLinux + Bottles / Lutris. I wouldn't go to Win 11, and Linux actually is good enough now.
- dylan604 2y ago> Linux actually is good enough now. You say this like there is one Linux that people can use. Instead, it is fragmented to hell and back with various distros. Since it's a replacement for Windows, a GUI will be needed. There's more than one of those as well. So now, some one needs to go down that rabbit hole of trying to decide which distro/GUI will work for them. So a generic "use Linux" is not very helpful.
- lupusreal 2y agoDecision paralysis is just a lame excuse people use to mask their real reason for not doing something. If you don't know enough about the choices to know which one you prefer, then either you simply chose any of them and subsequently have a more informed preference next time, or you chose none of them because you don't actually want the thing in the first place. I want ice cream and approach a vendor in the park. He has brands and flavors I've never tried before so I throw up my hands and say there is too much choice, he needs to pick one single kind of ice cream before he gets my business. Somebody who behaves like this doesn't actually want ice cream in the first place but is pretending to for some reason.
- stackghost 2y agoNational Defense runs almost entirely on Windows workstations, including "high-side" or classified networks. I can't imagine the powers that be are too thrilled with this feature, and much like the Intel TPM High Assurance bit, I bet there's an undocumented way to remove it.
- jazzyjackson 2y agoWhy wouldn't government customers want this feature, they're obsessed with collecting logs of what occurs on managed devices
- XorNot 2y agoNot if the data stays device local. Then it's a liability.
- ARandomerDude 2y agoGive it time. I suspect step 1 is "don't worry, it's on your device." Step 2 will be "now it's in the cloud so you don't have to lose your Recall if you lose your computer."
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- Spivak 2y agoThe article is a bit of rage-bait. You can already disable it via Group Policy and users can turn it off. They're trying to get clicks because they're trying to make it seems like uninstalling it is some meaningful difference. If you don't trust that the settings on your computer work what in gods name are you using windows for.
- Smar 2y agoMicrosoft has a history of re-enabling privacy violating settings after a while, so I would be concerned too.
- grishka 2y agoIt is possible to uninstall any Windows component if you know which files contain it. And it's not like Windows would refuse to boot if Recall exe/dlls suddenly go missing. (this website is behind Cloudflare and blocks me unless I use a VPN)
- hashishen 2y agoI think the logic behind their statement lies in updates that reinstall the bloatware, as often is the case with Microsoft edge
- grishka 2y agoYou can uninstall the updater too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just move its files (C:/windows/system32/wua*.dll) somewhere else. Put them back when/if you want to install updates, install updates, then move them again.
- RachelF 2y agoIt's more complex than that now. For the last 4 years, Microsoft has a "Medic Service" that will put Windows update back if you just move those files.
- guidedlight 2y agoJust like Microsoft told congress that Internet Explorer couldn’t be uninstalled from Windows 98, even though it didn’t come preinstalled with Windows 95.
- NikkiA 2y agoTo be fair to microsoft, Windows 95's desktop wasn't a web page*; Windows 98's was. * Although it was changed before windows 98 with "Plus 95!"
- NikkiA 2y agoSelf-correction: 'Windows Desktop Update' introduced the html based desktop, between Win95 OSR2 and Win95 OSR2.5, and also brought IE4.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoOf course not. Even though everyone tells me that all Microsoft software on top of the core operating system is actually installed using the same app installation framework that all third parties use, which definitely permits uninstalling.
- reify 2y agoIn 2084, Mars is a colonized world under the tyrannical regime of Microsoft, who control the mining of valuable personal data. On Earth, construction worker Douglas Quaid experiences recurring dreams about Mars and a mysterious woman. Intrigued, he visits Rekall, a company that implants realistic false memories, and chooses one set on Mars (with a blue sky) where he is a Martian secret agent.
- ChicagoDave 2y agoLiterally no one wants this “feature”. Microsoft has lost their collective minds.
- garagemc2 2y agoNo. But people do want large action models and for that you need a training dataset, which is what Recall will provide.
- namrog84 2y agoExactly. People don't want certain things but also want an ai to do other certain things and don't realize the path to 1 is thru the other.
- NavinF 2y agoThat model would have to be trained locally since the data never leaves the device
- kubb 2y agoIs this the enshittification everyone keeps talking about?
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- crabmusket 2y agoIf you squint? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification > Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market", where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them. Windows doesn't quite fit that definition in the way that the term is usually applied to marketplace platforms like Facebook and Amazon. This is a misfeature but it doesn't feel like it's directly part of the intervention in the buyer-seller relationships Windows is mediating.
- houseplant 2y agoenshittification is the cute fun name for the concept of becoming a nigh-monopoly by buying out your competition with private equity and destroying it, and then- because the free market has effectively been destroyed- resting on your laurels for the forseeable future because there's no longer any pressure to improve or fix your product. you can basically let your product become garbage because any free market pressure, you know, the kind that capitalism purports to thrive on but actually seeks out to destroy, is gone. Why bother improving if there's nowhere else for your consumers to go? We're so used to using substandard products, getting substandard service, using things that are old, busted, falling apart, inappropriate for the job we're using them for, and so on... I love seeing westerners go to other countries and go "whoa! they're living in the year 3000!"
- hnpolicestate 2y agoIt's awful but not eshittification. Eshittification is suddenly waiting 40 minutes on a drive through because the restaurant refuses or can't hire more workers.
- Aether_Well 2y agoIts an excellent feature to have for specialized malware to exploit. Government groups may already have developed their own of intelligence gathering.
- dwoldrich 2y agoI get that control of AI is playing for all the marbles, so I understand the desperate need to gather all the training data. Recall and its reason for being is an insult to my intelligence, and I will not be choosing Microsoft in the future. Windows now has negative value for me.
- crabmusket 2y agoI had to replace an aeging Windows laptop recently, and MS (and to a lesser extent Apple) going all-in on this kind of AI boondoggle finally gave me the shove I needed to go Linux-only (not dual booting as I'd done in the past, or WSL as I've been doing more recently). Framework made the landing soft, and I'm really excited to never look back. I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people.
- ezst 2y ago> I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people. It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I suspect fewer and fewer users would be willing to fork hundreds of bucks for something that's objectively terrible (and only getting worse), tech literacy would only improve as a result. But then you can bet Microsoft lobbying won't let that happen.
- fennecbutt 2y agoShouldn't it therefore be forbidden to ship phones with android preinstalled? And also forbidden to ship phones with, gaaaasp, iOS preinstalled?
- arp242 2y agoWhen the first Asus Eee laptops came out they had Linux installed. They later also did Windows XP versions. This was the first (and probably only) time you could find Linux machines in most mainstream computer stores. The Linux version was better than XP in every way you can measure: cheaper, faster, easier (more optimized for those 7" screens). And these "netbooks" were just intended for browsing the net, so it doesn't matter all that much which system you run. I worked at a computer store at the time, and the Linux machines sold poorly. People wanted Windows, because that's what they're used to. Consumers are very price-sensitive, but many opted to pay more. All of this was a long time ago, but I doubt it would be very different today. Microsoft really doesn't need a "lobby" to keep the majority of machines Windows by default. People want what they're used to, because that's what's working for them. why do you think there is so much complaining every time Gnome or Firefox changes something?
- dartharva 2y agoThe Enterprise/IoT LTSC versions of Windows 10 with extended support up to 2032 are available with commercial Visual Studio licenses iirc. If you can't somehow get hold of an ISO from your office's IT admin you can always sail the high seas :) You can evaluate it here: https://info.microsoft.com/ww-landing-windows-10-enterprise.html https://info.microsoft.com/ww-landing-windows-10-enterprise....
- imposterr 2y agoGetting an unverifiable iso for Windows seems like a bigger security risk than Recall tbh. Does MS publish hashes for the LTSC versions to at least let you ensure what you have hasn't been altered?
- Foobar8568 2y agoThey used to publish them on msdn download page, which was accessible with only an account.
- dartharva 2y agoYes, yes it does. The MVS portal provides checksums for each download. There are also unofficial MVS dumps like here: https://awuctl.github.io/mvs/ https://awuctl.github.io/mvs/
- BallyBrain 2y agoInternet Archive has a copy https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_202301 https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_... Be sure to check the hash with the link provided in comment from dartharva's. Hint, it checks out.
- talles 2y agoMaybe they will main two Windows installation images, with and without?
- askvictor 2y agoUndoubtedly the EU will eventually require this
- Ylpertnodi 2y agoSeveral years to implement (unless a 'save the children' clause can be inserted). Several more years of litigation. Tiny fine. Profit.
- jimjimjim 2y agoSomebody's bonus is dependent on Recall being there
- hnpolicestate 2y agoWill Microsoft sell your 'Recall' information to 3rd-parties?
- wmf 2y agoNo, but nobody believes it.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoMore people would believe it if TOS were legally binding. TOS are arbitrary no?
- yoyohello13 2y agoThat’s because the real answer is “not right now”
- javcasas 2y ago> Do you want to allow Microsoft to sell your data to third parties? > Yes > Ask me again in 30 minutes You haven't been paying attention to Windows lately, haven't you?
- shiroiushi 2y agoThey should: they could make more profit that way. What are people going to do, stop using Windows?
- sussmannbaka 2y agoThey are the third party.
- heavyset_go 2y agoThe data is the goldmine, they aren't going to share it, but they will use it to train models and target ads.
- DarkmSparks 2y agoand windows 10 is end of life in a little over a year. I want to believe this is the end of the line for windows, but it feels more like the end of humanity. :(
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- beart 2y agoThese are the system requirements for recall according to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-steps-with-recall-aa03f8a0-a78b-4b3e-b0a1-2eb8ac48701c https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/retrace-your-ste... System requirements for Recall Your PC needs the following minimum system requirements for Recall: A Copilot+ PC 16 GB RAM 8 logical processors 256 GB storage capacity To enable Recall, you’ll need at least 50 GB of storage space free Saving screenshots automatically pauses once the device has less than 25 GB of storage space So as long as you never buy a processor with a Copilot+ sticker on the box, I guess you don't have to worry about this?
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- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y agoI was thinking you keep around a dedicated temp file you resize as required.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y agodoing this would destroy your file system performance (almost as much as using Windows). SSDs are much faster when not close to full since it let's them do things like use the unfilled capacity as an SLC write cache.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y agoDo normal users require maximal SSD performance? So long as they can launch Chrome, the super app is going to handle all of their needs.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y agoit depends what you mean. Pretty much no one cares about sequential speeds (unless you are copying 10s of gb it doesn't matter). OTOH, the latency of random 4k reads and writes matters a ton. Any time cached data is read/written (e.g. cookies/ UI settings etc), there are going to be a bunch of tiny disk operations will be performed.
- haolez 2y agoThey are probably thinking of training agents to do the back office work of their customers, no? Seems kinda obvious, regardless of the "this is local data only" talk.
- yoyohello13 2y agoI think you’re on to something. There is no way they would be pushing this so hard if they didn’t get something out of it, and collecting mass amounts of training data seems like a plausible explanation.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y agoHow much more is there left to collect? They already own Outlook, Edge, Bing, One Drive, Sharepoint, GitHub, LinkedIn, etc. Thanks to numerous dark patterns, Microsoft is already getting a ton of telemetry about everything users are doing. You have to fight the OS to not let OneDrive slurp up every byte of data. The only avenue really free from their clutches is mobile, but this does nothing to alleviate that.
- bragh 2y agoBut that's the thing: they do not have the data on things and usage patterns that exist outside the Microsoft ecosystem and/or on-premises/private clouds, such as work done within Atlassian stack, ERPs, desktop software and so on.
- blackoil 2y agoCan it be disabled?
- kazinator 2y agoHey kids, in regards to this, is your Gen-X dad trying to make some sort of joke about some "Total Recall" thing?
- cmcaleer 2y agoUnfortunate. Luckily, Windows itself can be removed. It's incredible how much Microsoft is resting on their laurels in terms of seeing Windows as insurmountable and so consumers must take whatever Microsoft decide to dish out. I would have been totally resigned to this fact a decade ago, but middle-school+ kids these days don't use Windows - they use Chromebooks. A huge minority of them use iPhones. Familiarity with Windows systems isn't a given anymore in the university courses my friends teach. When these kids grow up and get to make procurement decisions, are they going to be as tolerant as today's staff of whatever overreach Microsoft is going to try with Windows in the future, or are they - and their peers - going to be much more accepting of non-Windows solutions? I think they'll be much more accepting, especially given how much is done in a browser today anyway. MS will obviously survive, and Windows will of course remain dominant for the foreseeable future but I can't help but feel that if/when the tipping point for the end of Windows' dominance comes, it will all be seen retrospectively as so preventable, because it is.
- webworker 2y agoAs if any chrome product doesn't have telemetry, tracking and AI features built into it. I don't advocate for any of this stuff, but I guess it's only bad when Windows does all the same stuff, but not ChromeOS. As for Apple, at least they make an attempt.
- waihtis 2y agoI was inclined to disagree with you initially since groupthink is the default corporate mode, and I don't see free thinkers doing well in these environments - but then reflected on my own stance on MS and the reason I don't absolutely shun them is because of childhood nostalgia. Maybe you're on to something. I just wish they'd replace it with Linux.
- surfingdino 2y agoThat's why they are on the offensive selling Windows and Office 365 to governments and large corporations.
- leptons 2y agoMicrosoft is in the process of jumping the shark. I'm sure it could be argued that Windows Vista was when they jumped the shark, or a dozen other times in the past. But it's Windows 11 or whatever they are cooking up right now that has them jumping the shark. I'm a die-hard Windows fan. After the Amiga was discontinued, I went to Windows and dug in. Now I'm moving to Linux. All of my many computers and even more virtual machines are migrating from various versions of Windows over to Mint Linux. I've been developing software that runs on Linux for a while, so I'm familiar with it but haven't used it as my main OS yet. Windows is going to end up as a front-end for Microsoft AI, which will likely be something like Clippy but with its own opinions and it will automagically try to do stuff for you that you don't want or need it to do. I can see this going wrong in so many ways. "I reorganized all your files for you!"
- langsoul-com 2y agoCurrently using Ubuntu as my main driver, replaced Windows. I wouldn't really say the user experience is as good as Windows. Apps hang more often, steam freezes and restarts more. Games crash more often. All problems I wouldn't have on windows. Even though Linux has gotten really far, I wouldn't be using it if windows wasn't so shit now.
- hulitu 2y ago> I wouldn't really say the user experience is as good as Windows I use Windows mainly for work. The user experience is terrible. At least 10 years ago it had a usable GUI, now it is a mess. Crashes are normal. Security theater is _security_.
- leptons 2y ago>Security theater is _security_. I've noticed that Windows 11 (on multiple computers) will often display a flash of whatever programs are currently open on my computer before it gives me the login prompt after I wake the computer from sleep. That should never happen. It's yet another nail in the Windows 11 coffin for me.
- cmcaleer 2y agoWindows very much still has gaming by the short and curlies. Valve have done a ton of work with Proton that makes it considerably better, but if you enjoy anything competitive Windows is mandatory for anti-cheat. Can't say I've shared your experience in terms of programs hanging more often, with the exception of Steam and games. Productivity apps and browsers run perfectly fine for me. That said, Windows has its own frustrations. I'm not sure if it's all fixed yet, but Xbox Game Bar and Game Mode for Windows came with awful performance penalties. When it first came out they had this Game DVR feature which was like Shadowplay but limited your FPS to half of your refresh rate. Enabled by default.
- Nuenki 2y agoI find it interesting that I've found Linux to be flawless at gaming, with the exception of VR (though apparently you can make that work as well), but some of my friends have had the complete opposite experience. I think it's strongly determined by the genre of games you like - I don't play esports or gacha games. If anyone here is considering switching to Linux, I'd recommend taking a look at whether the games _you_ play run well.
- croes 2y agoParents and partners are provided with surveillance tools. Got it.
- surfingdino 2y agoAs well as government and employers.
- Sol- 2y agoIs that not consistent with how Microsoft always introduced its "features"? Especially all the crap that came since Windows 10/11. First you could still create a local account after there was backlash against cloud-everything, nowadays a local only Windows is quite complex to set up. The Cortana/search bar stuff was also regularly re-enabled or parts of it made non-configurable, with them only occasionally backtracking. Not to speak of the ads that are included nowadays. Their strategy generally seems to be boiling the frog when it comes to pushing these features onto the users, whether they want it or not.
- rafaelgoncalves 2y agosame thing with the Edge browser for me, i have to remove on every update (he has so much telemetry that is a burden, same with other parts of the SO). This is a testament on the philosophy change between all those years, i used so much win95/98/xp that i loved, the times were so simple...
- hrnnnnnn 2y agoI set up a local only Windows 11 machine recently. 1. Install with throwaway Microsoft account 2. Create new local admin account 3. Use local admin account to delete setup account Not ideal, but not difficult either.
- Gazoche 2y agoUntil the day they remove the option to create a local admin account. Or force you to login into your online account every XX days.
- nolist_policy 2y agoDoesn't sound like a supported configuration to me. Wouldn't surprise me if it breaks one day.
- 7bit 2y agoThat is absolutely a supported configuration. Don't make statements you have zero expertise in.
- riffraff 2y agoI'm confident if we all start calling it "find last week's porn" instead of "recall", it will make things better.
- imtringued 2y agoThat is literally what it will end up doing.
- moi2388 2y agoNew feature: Search all your porn history, credit card information and passwords from all time, from any pc with windows recall cloud
- jeisc 2y agoafter 30 years how much data would it contain? they are out of control going over a cliff since Windows 95...
- sfjailbird 2y agoDoesn't this break EU law, by collecting personal information without consent, and without offering the option to have it removed? I would be surprised if this stands up in courts in the EU.
- deafpolygon 2y agoMy money is that Microsoft knows we're all heading to a remote work environment within the decade. This "feature" will be something employers will be clamoring for, so having it baked in ensures that enterprises continue to deploy Windows as the OS of choice.
- varunnrao 2y agoThis might be a contrarian view to the rest of this thread but I think this is a decisive move by Microsoft. AI-enabled OSes are a part of the future (for mainstream consumers at the very least). By sticking with Recall despite the initial backlash, I think Microsoft is showing they're a serious player. MSFT would not risk their enterprise and government business with features like Recall if they weren't sure that it had a need and requirement at some level. Fundamentally, MSFT isn't a company that preempts the needs of their users and haven't been for the past 25 years. They've lagged behind mobile and then cloud because none of their main customers thought they were important. They face they're going on the front foot is indicative that they have a larger strategic play going on here. Coming to the product itself there appear to be sufficient controls in place on Recall. It's opt-in even if it cannot be uninstalled. It's all on-device and allocates specific space on the PC. I can specify if I don't want it to take snapshots of certain apps and it doesn't take snapshots of private browsing by default. IT teams can manage Recall through policies AND users can have further fine grained control over their settings beyond that. It's great that MSFT have included these right from the start because if we're frank, not all other tech companies would have thought it through. Personally, I wouldn't use Recall but I can see the appeal and usefulness -- for both consumers and IT teams. You ask your computer what you did on so-and-so date and it'll tell you? That's great and what computers should do -- take cognitive load off of our minds. Plus it's a great audit trail in the office. My only gripe with it -- as with anything MSFT really -- is security. I'm not entirely sure MSFT would be able to stop people writing malware that explicitly steal Recall data. I hope they have safeguards but being closed source that's the best we can expect unfortunately. I know HN users are more likely to be anti-MSFT and more tech savvy than the average consumer -- it's a bit like the tech enthusiasts buying smart products and the senior engineer living alone in a forest off-grid. But what we have to remember that we're the exception than the rule. Most people are tech-illiterate and have no inclination towards learning more or towards spending more time with their computers. Products like this are for them.
- ItsBob 2y agoMicrosoft shenanigans is the reason I switched recently to a Chromebook (Acer 516 GE 16GB - bought for £400 on EBay) and with minor exceptions it's been really easy. I am a .NET dev who needs to remote into work via Citrix. I work locally on my own .NET stuff in JetBrains Rider and I can do it on the Chromebook now. It's not perfect but, damn, it's really close: After installing the Linux Dev Environment I have all the tools I need. The only issue is that sometimes when I open Rider, the font sizing is off - sometimes it's small, other times it's large. But Ctrl + MouseWheel takes care of it. Once or twice I had to restart the linux VM (right click, Close Linux and it's done) but that's it. Anyway, the point is that nowadays there is becoming less and less reason to stay on Windows and I think Microsoft knows this too, hence trying to lock you into their ecosystem as much as possible and trying to dangle things in front of you to keep your attention. But who would have thought that for £400 I can run all my .NET stuff on a Chromebook. Not only that, I switched from a 14700K on Windows to a 1260p running ChromeOS and coding/compiling is just as fast. It's nuts. Side-note: Windows peaked at 2000...
- lionkor 2y agoWindows might be going the way of the Facebook - Billions of users but somehow only 3 people (out of many) I know use it.
- dustypotato 2y agoWhy would Microsoft push something that no user wants, is a privacy nightmare, a PR disaster, entails additional costs for them in storage, network and compute? It's to train a multimodal AI model on what each employee role is doing and to replace employees. Because a lot of our jobs are looking at one set of windows and typing/clicking on another set.
- Alifatisk 2y agoIf only there was an alternative to Windows, then I’d happily switch. Currently, Linux Mint seem like the closest alternative, but I wish there was a more modern ui DeepinOS had to best experience so far but there is something with it that makes me not want to fully transition to it, Idk what it is
- laylower 2y agoWhy is recall needed? What does it even offer - what is the use case for its existence?
- dylan604 2y agoI assumed for readers of this forum, that answer would be obvious. They want the training data. The fact that it might possibly render a benefit to the user is totally a side effect
- davidy123 2y agoI don't understand why it's even legal; it's akin to call recording, which is illegal in many areas. Basically I think it's a great idea for people to AI-process their own information, but when it comes to conversations, it's highly problematic.