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- moralestapia 2y agoNot nearly as good as Sora. Google missed this train, big time.
- DarmokJalad1701 2y ago> "SIGN IN TO GET A SNEAK PEAK." https://theoatmeal.com/comics/sneak_peek https://theoatmeal.com/comics/sneak_peek
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- baal80spam 2y agoWhoa. The URL is correct, the text is not.
- sowbug 2y agoThe page is now fixed. Even for a "test kitchen," that's a shocking error for a company like Google to make.
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y agoYou have to log in just to see a demo? They are desperate to track people.
- iamleppert 2y agoIt's so bad its laughable. Sundar really needs to crack the whip harder on those Googlers.
- bamboozled 2y agoor someone has to crack the whip on Sundar :)
- geodel 2y agoHis job is keeping stock price up which he is doing well so far. Another is layoffs which again he is doing fine :)
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- htrp 2y agoWas anyone else confused by that Donald Glover segment. It felt like we were going to get a short film, and we got 3-5 clips?
- Keyframe 2y agoIt felt AI-generated.
- htrp 2y agoI wish it were AI Donald Glover talking and the "Apple twist" at the end was that the entire 3 minute segment was a prompt for "Donald Glover talking about how Awesome Gemini Models are in a California vineyard"
- curiousgal 2y agoExactly! "Hey guys big artist says this is fine so we're good"
- jsheard 2y agoAnd those clips mostly look like generic stock footage, not something specific that a director might want to pre-vis. This is what movie pre-vis is actually like, it doesn't need to be pretty, it needs to be precise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMeHPGV5VE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMeHPGV5VE
- thisoneworks 2y agoYeah that wasn't obvious what they were trying to show. Demis said feature films will be released in a while
- ZiiS 2y agoAlso it is either very good at generating living people or they need to put more though into saying "Note: All videos on this page were generated by Veo and have not been modified"
- jsheard 2y ago
- TIPSIO 2y agoSeems like ImageFX, VideoFX (just a Google form and 3 demos), MusicFX, and TextFX at the links are down and not working. Huge grammar error on front page too.
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- indy 2y agoAs someone who doesn't live in the US this year's Google IO feels like I'm outside looking in at all the cool kids who get to play with the latest toys.
- curiousgal 2y agoOh look another half baked product release that's not available in any country. They're a joke.
- mupuff1234 2y agoIs Sora available in any country?
- bamboozled 2y agoI thought I read they’ve deemed Sora too dangerous to release pre- election ? Or have reservations about it ? I might be wrong…
- sib 2y agoSounds like a great excuse / communications strategy!
- jaggs 2y agoApparently it's only released to red teams at the moment as they try to manage safety. There's also the issue about releasing too close to an election?
- sebzim4500 2y agoThe Donald Glover segment might be a new low for Google announcement videos. They spent all this time talking up the product but didn't actually show what he had created. Imagine how bad the model must be if this is the best way Google can think of selling it.
- fakedang 2y agoWhat seems worse is the Google TextFX video with Lupe Fiasco? What the heck am I supposed to get out of watching boring monologues by a couple of people? They could have just as easily shown, with less camera work, Lupe Fiasco actually using the LLM model, but they didn't - or at least not enough to grab my attention in 2 minutes. Personally, I liked the above link, even as a Google skeptic, but the videos aren't helping their case.
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- Horffupolde 2y agoGoogle is the new Kodak.
- bingbingbing777 2y agoKodak failed because their CEO refused to go down the digital route. How is that comparable?
- loudmax 2y agoThe videos in this demo are pretty neat. If this had been announced just four months ago we'd all be very impressed by the capabilities. The problem is that these video clips are very unimpressive compared to the Sora demonstration which came out three months ago. If this demo was announced by some scrappy startup it would be worth taking note. Coming from Google, the inventor of the Transformer and owner of the largest collection of videos in the world, these sample videos are underwhelming. Having said that, Sora isn't publicly available yet, and maybe Veo will have more to offer than what we see in those short clips when it gets a full release.
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- fakedang 2y agoHonestly, if Veo becomes public faster than Sora, they could win the video AI race. But what am I wishfully thinking - it's Google we're talking about!
- Jensson 2y ago> But what am I wishfully thinking - it's Google we're talking about! Google the company known to launch way too many products? What other big company launches more stuff early than them? What people complain about Google is that they launch too much and then shut them down, not that they don't launch things.
- fakedang 2y agoGoogle lost first place in AI precisely because they've been walking around imaginary eggshells regarding AI's effect on the public. That led to the whole Gemini fiasco and the catch up game they've had to play with OpenAI-MSFT.
- spaceman_2020 2y agoThe cost to switch to new models is negligible. People will switch to Sora if its better instantly I’ve switched to Opus from GPT-4 for coding and it was non-trivially easy
- mccraveiro 2y agoThey didn't show any human videos, which could indicate that the technology struggles with generating them.
- karmasimida 2y agoActually there is one in the last demo, it is not an individual one, but one shot in the demo where a team uses this model to create a scene with human in it, where they created an image of black woman but only up her head in it I would generally agree though, it is not normal they didn’t show more human
- revscat 2y agoI’m sure part of the reason, beyond those given already, is that they want to avoid the debate around nudity.
- dyauspitr 2y agoYou know why and it’s not that their technology struggles with it.
- lewispollard 2y agoPlease elaborate, because I certainly don't.
- chubot 2y agoIt's also probably that it's easier to spot fake humans than to spot fake cats or camels. We are more attuned to the faces of our own species That is, AI humans can look "creepy" whereas AI animals may not. The cowboy looks pretty good precisely because it's all shadow. CGI animators can probably explain this better than I can ... they have to spend way more time on certain areas and certain motions, and all the other times it makes sense to "cheat" ... It explains why CGI characters look a certain way too -- they have to be economical to animate
- xianshou 2y agoTo quote Twitter/X, "I wonder what OpenAI will release tomorrow and Google will release a waitlist for." GPT-4o: out Veo: waitlist Admittedly this is impressive and the direct comp would be Sora, which isn't out, but sometimes the caricature is very close to the truth.
- jsheard 2y agoThen again Veo is in the same category as Sora, which isn't released either, 3 months after the reveal.
- rvnx 2y ago"This tool isn’t available in your country yet"
- modeless 2y agoTo be fair, all the voice stuff OpenAI demoed isn't released yet either.
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- martinesko36 2y agoThis is Google for the last 5+ IOs. They just release waitlists and demos that are leapfrogged by the time they're available to all. (and shut down a few years later)
- htrp 2y agoCite sources?
- skepticATX 2y agoOpenAI hardly released gpt-4o. The demo yesterday was clearly a rushed response to I/O. It’s quite possible that Google will ship multi-modality features faster than OpenAI will.
- endisneigh 2y agoI’ve noticed that a lot of the commentary of these models creates the sort of fervor like politics or sports. In any case - no details on compute needed. Curious if this ever can be cheap. Even Midjourney still requires a lot. I’m also surprised there hasn’t been some attempt at creating benchmarks for this. One example could be color accuracy.
- stefan_ 2y agoNever mind no benchmarks, half of these announcements in the past were straight made up, "offline enhanced" cherry picked "examples", CGI fantasies. Not to mention the whole AGI topic is forever doomed from SciFi fans, just remember what happened with that room-temperature superconductivity.
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- inasio 2y agoFrom a 2014 Wired article [0]: "The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today" I can see more real-world impact from this (and/or Sora) than most other AI tools [0] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/
- jsheard 2y agoEven if the shots are very short you still need coherency between shots, and they don't seem to have tackled that problem yet.
- mattgreenrocks 2y agoThis is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.
- ryandrake 2y agoObligatory: Liam Neeson jumps over a fence in 6 seconds, with 14 cuts[1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM
- aidenn0 2y agoI'd like to fact check this amazing comment on that video, but it would require watching Taken 3: > Some of y'all may find how awful this editing gets pretty interesting: I did an Average Shot Length (ASL) for many movies for a recent project, and just to illustrate bad overediting in action movies, I looked at Taken 3 (2014) in its extended cut. > The longest shot in the movie is the last shot, an aerial shot of a pier at sunset ending the movie as the end credits start rolling over them. It clocks in at a runtime of 41 seconds and is, BY FAR, the longest shot in the movie. > The next longest is a helicopter establishing shot of the daughter's college after the "action scene" there a little over an hour in, at 5 seconds. > Otherwise, the ASL for Taken 3 (minus the end credits/opening logos), which has a runtime of 1:49:40, 4,561 shots in all (!!!), is 1.38 SECONDS . For comparison, Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) (minus end credits/opening logos) is 3:50:59, with 3163 shots overall, giving it an ASL of 4.40 seconds, and this movie, at 1 hour 50 minutes, has north of 4,561 for an ASL of 1.38 seconds?!?! Taken 3 has more shots in it than Zack Snyder's Justice League, a movie more than double its length... > To further illustrate how ridiculous this editing gets, the ASL for Taken 3's non-action scenes is 2.27 seconds. To reiterate, this is the non-action scenes. The "slow scenes." The character stuff. Dialogue scenes. The stuff where any other movie would know to slow down. 2.27 SECONDS For comparison, Mad Max: Fury Road (minus end credits/opening logos) has a runtime of 1:51:58, with 2646 shots overall, for an ASL of 2.54 seconds. TAKEN 3'S "SLOW SCENES" ARE EDITED MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN MAD MAX: FURY ROAD! > And Taken 3's action scenes? Their ASL is 0.68 seconds! > If it weren't for the sound people on the movie, Taken 3 wouldn't be an "action movie". It'd be abstract art.
- Keyframe 2y agoKind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there aren't any noteworthy compared to rest. And considering google is sitting on top of one of the largest if not THE largest video database, along with maps, traffic, search, internet.zip, usenet, vast computing resources vertically integrated.. they have the whole advantage in the world. So, the hell are they doing? Why isn't their CEO already out? Expectations from them are higher than from anyone else.
- InfiniteVortex 2y agoGoogle search has been absolutely ruined in terms of quality. You're right, they've built the base in terms of R&D for many of the AI breakthroughs thats powering competing alternative products.... that happen to be better than Google's own products. Google went from "Don't be evil" to just another big corporate tech company. They have so much potential. Regrettable.
- CraftingLinks 2y agoThey are fast on their way becoming IBM 2.0.
- jason-phillips 2y agoMore like Xerox
- dyauspitr 2y agoIf anything google search with the Gemini area on the top has been very good for me.
- atleastoptimal 2y agoBecause they punish experimentation as it eats into their bottom line. AI is a tool for ads in the mind of executives at Google. Ads and monetization of human productivity, not an agent of productivity on its own.
- airstrike 2y ago> Veo > Sign up to try VisionFX Is it Veo or VisionFX? Is it a sign up, a trial, or a waitlist? How hard can it be to write a clear message? In the words of Don Miller, if you confuse, you lose.
- therein 2y agoYeah I was like so is it Veo or VisionFX. This landing page feels as haphazardly put together as the Coinbase downtime page last night.
- peppertree 2y agoThis is very on-brand with how Google does branding. "are you confused yet? no? try this other vaguely similar name."
- davidw 2y agoMaybe it's going to be a new messaging app - but with AI! Kidding... I signed up for the waitlist. I have ideas for videos I'd like to use to explain things that I have no hope of creating myself.
- BlackJack 2y agoDisclaimer: I work at Google on related stuff Veo is the name of a video model. VideoFX is the name of a new experimental tool at labs.google.com, which uses Veo and lets you make videos. Thanks for the feedback though, I see how it's confusing for users.
- zb3 2y agoI see the endpoint returns "Not Implemented" when trying to make a video :< Imagen 3 is awesome though, generates nice logos :D
- mike_hearn 2y agoPresumably this is DeepMind vs Labs fighting over the same project. A consequence of guaranteeing Demis some level of independence when DeepMind was bought, which still shows through in the fact that the DeepMind brand(s) survive.
- rishav_sharan 2y agoNow that the first direct competitor to Sora has been announced, I am sure Sora will be suddenly ready for public consumption, all it's ai safety concerns forgotten
- sebastiennight 2y agoI think there's a tremendous compute cost associated with both models still... I can't see how either company could withstand the instant enormous demand, even if they tried to command crazy prices. Even at $1 per 5-second video, I think some use cases (including fun/non-business ones) would still overwhelm capacity.
- popcar2 2y agoNot nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in real speed. The only shot they had that can compare was the cyberpunk video they linked to, and it looks crazy inconsistent. Real shame.
- nuz 2y agoSora is also movement limited to a certain range if you look at the clips closely. Probably something like filtering by some function of optical flow in both cases.
- ein0p 2y agoAlso Sora demos had some really impressive generations featuring _people_. Here we hardly see any people which likely means exactly what you’d guess.
- data-ottawa 2y agoHas Gemini started generated impacted of people again? My trial has ended and I haven’t been following the issue.
- spiderfarmer 2y agoAlso the horse just looks weird, just like the buildings and peppers. It's impressive as hell though. Even if it would only be used to extrapolate existing video.
- LZ_Khan 2y agoI imagine thats just a function of how much training data you throw at it.
- Jensson 2y ago> Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement Sora videos ran at 1 beat per second, so everything in the image moved at the same beat and often too slow or too fast to keep the pace. It is very obvious when you inspect the images and notice that there are keyframes at every whole second mark and everything on the screen suddenly goes in their next animation step. That really limits the kind of videos you can generate.
- axblount 2y agoI hate to be so cynical, but I'm dreading the inevitable flood of AI generated video spam. We really are about this close to infinite jest. Imagine TikTok's algorithm with on demand video generation to suit your exact tastes. It may erase the social aspect, but for many users I doubt that would matter too much. "Lurking" into oblivion.
- rm_-rf_slash 2y agoAnd somehow our exact tastes would also include influencer coded advertisements.
- lordswork 2y agoIt's already here. There are communities forming around generating passive income from mass producing AI videos as tiktoks and shorts.
- axblount 2y agoI saw one of those where a guy just made videos about increasingly elaborate AI generated cakes. You're right, I guess we're mostly there. But those still require some human input. I'm imagining a sort of genetic algorithm for video prompts, no human editing, input, or curation required.
- tikkun 2y agoWhat's the subreddit?
- barbariangrunge 2y agoYouTube’s endgame is to not need content creators in the loop any more. The algorithm will just create everything
- esafak 2y agoThe endgame of that is that people will leave.
- fidotron 2y agoIf you were of a mind to give Google the benefit of the doubt you would have to think they are desperately trying not to overpromise and underdeliver, partly because that has been their track record to date. It's a very curious time to choose to make this switch though given their competition, and if it was motivated by the reception Bard received then it shows they didn't learn the right lessons from that mess at all.
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- aaroninsf 2y agoIt's mildly interesting how many of the samples shown fail to fully conform to the prompts. Lots of specifics are missing. Kudos to Google for if not foregrounding, being entirely transparent, about this.
- willsmith72 2y agoall of this stuff i'll believe when it's ready for public release 1. safety measures lead to huge quality reductions 2. the devil's in the details. you can make me 1 million videos which look 99% realistic, but it's useless. consumers can pick it instantly, and it's a gigantic turn-off for any brand
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- aprilthird2021 2y agoThere'll always be a market for cheap low-quality videos, and vice versa always a market for shockingly high quality videos. K. Asif's Mughal-e-Azham had enormous ticket sales and a huge budget spending on all sorts of stuff, like actual gold jewelry to make the actors feel that they were important despite the film being black and white. No matter how good AI gets, it will never be the highest budget. Hell, even technically more accurate quartz watches cannot compete price wise with mechanical masterpiece watches of lower accuracy
- barbariangrunge 2y agoThe company that controls online video is announcing a new tool, and ambitions to develop it further, to create videos without need for content creators. Using their videos to make a machine that will cut them out of the loop.
- infinitezest 2y agoMales the very long Acknowledgments section at the bottom extra rich.
- hipadev23 2y agoI've never had to click "Sign in" so many times in a row.
- flying_whale 2y ago...and then fill out an actual google form at the end, _after_ you've already signed in, to be added to the waitlist :sigh:
- throwup238 2y ago...and enter your email into the form again despite being logged into a Google account.
- mrkramer 2y agoYouTube people: We need more UGC. DeepMind people: AI can do it.
- belval 2y agoWhile it's cool that they chose to showcase full-resolution videos, they take so long to load I thought their videos were just a stuttery mess. Turns out if you open the video in a new tab the smoothness is much more impressive.
- robertlagrant 2y agoHold on to your papers!
- esafak 2y agoI love the reference to Llama with the alpacas.
- typpo 2y agoThe amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.
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- kvetching 2y agohatred fuels our capitalism more than anything
- marcusverus 2y agoHow do you figure?
- labrador 2y ago"Are You Not Entertained"
- localfirst 2y agoWe have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI) and platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder after all. So of course you are going to see snarky comments and straight up denial in the competition. We saw that yesterday in the comments with the release of GPT4o in anticipation of Gemini 2.0 (GPT-5 basically) release being announced today at Google I/O I'm SORA to say Veo looks much more polished without jank. Big congratulations to Google and their excellent AI team for not editing their AI generated videos like SORA
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder I don’t know if there is a sentiment analysis tool for HN, but I’m pretty sure it’s been dead negative for Altman since at least Worldcoin.
- clawoo 2y ago> "This tool isn’t available in your country yet" How did I know I would see this message before clicking "Sign up to try"?
- makestuff 2y agoIs there any good blogs/videos that ELI5 how these video generation models even work?
- sys32768 2y agoI assume for consumers to use this, we must agree to have product placements inserted into our productions every 48 seconds.
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- SoftTalker 2y agoVaguely unsettling that the thumbnail for first example prompt "A lone cowboy rides his horse across an open plain at beautiful sunset, soft light, warm colors" looks something like the pixelated vision of The Gunslinger android (Yul Brynner's character) from the 1973 version of Westworld. See 1:11 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvid5fzWnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvid5fzWnY Incidentally that was one of the early uses of computer graphics in a movie, supposedly those short scenes took many hours to render and had to be done three times to achieve a colorized image.
- AceJohnny2 2y agoCan't say I see a visual similarity. In any case, "Cowboy silhouette in the sunset" is a pretty classic American visual. But the parallel you made between android Brynner's vision and the generated imagery is fun to consider!
- totaldude87 2y agoits 2024 and AI is taking over and yet, to signup for this, it take way more clicks and Google form entry(1) Sigh. I still have hopes for VEO though
- aragonite 2y agoWith so much recent focus by OpenAI/Google on AI's visual capabilities, does anyone know when we might see an OCR product as good as Whisper for voice transcription? (Or has that already happened?) I had to convert some PDFs and MP3s to text recently and was struck by the vast difference in output quality. Whisper's transcription was near-flawless, all the OCR softwares I tried struggled with formatting, missed words, and made many errors.
- jazzyjackson 2y agoYou might enjoy this breakdown of the lengths one person went through to take advantage of the iOS vision API and creating a local web service for transcribing some very challenging memes: https://findthatmeme.com/blog/2023/01/08/image-stacks-and-iphone-racks-building-an-internet-scale-meme-search-engine-Qzrz7V6T.html https://findthatmeme.com/blog/2023/01/08/image-stacks-and-ip... discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34315782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34315782
- thesandlord 2y agoWe use GPT-4o for data extraction from documents, its really good. I published a small library that does a lot of the document conversion and output parsing: https://npmjs.com/package/llm-document-ocr https://npmjs.com/package/llm-document-ocr For straight OCR, it does work really well but at the end of the day its still not 100%
- aragonite 2y agoThanks! look forward to checking this out as soon as I get home.
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- tauntz 2y agoUh.. First it tells me that I can't sign up because my country is supported (yay, EU) and I can sign up to be notified when it's actually available. Great, after I complete that form, I get an error that the form can't be submitted and I'm taken to https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/video-fx https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/video-fx where I can only press the "Join our waitlist" button. This takes me to a Google Form, that doesn't have my country in the required country dropdown and has a hint that says: "Note: the dropdown only includes countries where ImageFX and MusicFX are publicly available.". Say what? Why does this have to be so confusing? Is the name "Veo" or "VideoFX"? Why is the waitlist for VideoFX telling me something about public availability of ImageFX and MusicFX? Why is everything US only, again? Sigh..
- benatkin 2y agoYo lo veo.
- wseqyrku 2y agoGoogle puts more effort into the namings than the actual model, ngl.
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- bpodgursky 2y agoI think it's funny the demos don't have people in them after the Gemini fiasco. I wonder if they didn't have time to re-train the model to show representative ethnicities.
- thih9 2y agoIs there any non slow motion example? The cyberpunk video seems better in that aspect, but I wish there were more.
- gliched_robot 2y agoThis is far more superior than SORA, there is no comparison.
- monkeeguy 2y agolol
- xnx 2y ago60 second example video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqmZs1aD1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqmZs1aD1g
- candiddevmike 2y agoFor some reason this video reminds me of dreaming--details just kind of pop in and out and the entire thing seems very surreal and fractal.
- jprete 2y agoSame impression here. The scene changes very abruptly from a sky view to following the car. The cars meld with the ground frequently, and I think I saw one car drive through another at one point.
- nixpulvis 2y agoSo… much… bloom. I like it, but still holy shit. I hate that I like it because I don’t want this art form to be reduced by overuse. Sadly, it’s too late. I’ll just go back to living under a rock.
- londons_explore 2y agoLooks like in places this has learned video compression artifacts...
- exodust 2y agoFunny if true. Perhaps in some generated video it will suddenly interrupt the sequence with pretend unskippable ads for phone cases & VPNs.
- datashaman 2y ago1080p but it has pixelated artifacts...
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- svag 2y agoAn interesting thing that Google does is to watermark the AI generated videos using the [SynthID technology](https://deepmind.google/technologies/synthid/ https://deepmind.google/technologies/synthid/). It seems that the SynthID is not only for AI generated video but for image, text and audio.
- bardak 2y agoI would like a bit more convincing that the text watermark will not be noticeable. AI text already has issues with using certain words to frequently. Messing with the weights seems like it might make the issue worse
- Tostino 2y agoNot to mention, when does he get applied? If I am asking an llm to transform some data from one format to another, I don't expect any changes other than the format.
- padolsey 2y agoIt seems really clever, especially the encoding of a signature into LLM token probability selections. I wonder if synthid will trigger some standarization in the industry. I don't think there's much incentive to tho. Open-source gen AI will still exist. What does google expext to occur? I guess they're just trying to present themselves as 'ethically pursuing AI'.
- s1k3s 2y agoThis looks really good for promo videos. All scenes in here are basically that.
- KorematsuFredt 2y agoI think we should all take a pause and just appreciate the amazing work Google, OpenAI, MS and many others including those in academia have done. We do not know if Google or OpenAI or someone else is going to win the race but unlike many other races, this one makes the entire humanity move faster. Keep the negativity aside and appreciate the sweat and nights people have poured into making such things happen. Majority of these people are pretty ordinary folks working for a salary so they can spend their time with their families.
- myaccountonhn 2y agoMajority of the people building the ai are artists having their work stolen or workers earning extremely low wages to label gory and csam data to a point where it hurts their mental health.
- KorematsuFredt 2y ago> where it hurts their mental health. Why are they working there then ?
- ugh123 2y agoFrom a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.
- evantbyrne 2y agoThey claim it can accept an "input video and editing command" to produce a new video output. Also, "In addition, it supports masked editing, enabling changes to specific areas of the video when you add a mask area to your video and text prompt." Not sure if that specific example would work or not.
- qingcharles 2y agoI can see using these video generators to create video storyboards. Especially if you can drop in a scribbled sketch and a prompt for each tile.
- ancientworldnow 2y agoThat sounds actively harmful. Often we want story boards to be less specific so as not to have some non artist decision maker ask why it doesn't look like the storyboard. And when we want it to match exactly in an animatic or whatever, it needs to be far more precise than this, matching real locations etc.
- sbarre 2y agoI know you weren't implying this, but not every storyboard is for sharing with (or seeking approval from) decision makers. I could see this being really useful for exploring tone, movement, shot sequences or cut timing, etc.. Right now you scrape together "kinda close enough" stock footage for this kind of exploration, and this could get you "much closer enough" footage..
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- iamleppert 2y agoToo little, too late. Google is follower, not leader. They need to stop trying and do more stock buybacks and strip the company to barebones, like Musk did with Twitter & Tesla.
- NegativeLatency 2y agoShoulda used youtube to host their video, it's all broken and pixelated for me
- m3kw9 2y agoWhy is it always in slow motion, is it hard to get the speed correctly?
- miohtama 2y ago> Veo's cutting-edge latent diffusion transformers reduce the appearance of these inconsistencies, keeping characters, objects and styles in place, as they would in real life. How is this achieved? Is there temporal memory between frames?
- hackerlight 2y agoProbably similar to Sora, a patchified vision transformer, you sample a 3d patch (third dimension is time) instead of a 2d patch
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- toasted-subs 2y agoI could say something but I'm glad to get the confirmation.
- shaunxcode 2y agotruly removing the `id` from video.
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- abledon 2y agomusic is lacking.... suno, udio, riffusion all blow this out of the water
- ijidak 2y agoThese will be remembered as the AI wars. Reminds me of the competition in tech in the late 80's early 90's between Microsoft and Borland, Microsoft and IBM, AMD and Intel, Word vs Wordperfect, etc. It's a two horse race between Google and OpenAI.
- animanoir 2y agoGoogle is so finished... Unless they remove Mr. Pinchar...
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- infinitezest 2y ago> A fast-tracking shot through a bustling dystopian sprawl How apropos...
- nosmokewhereiam 2y agoMade an album in 10 mins. Typically as a techno DJ I'd mix them together so they sound kinda bare right now. Here's my 10 minutes to 12:09 album debut: https://on.soundcloud.com/FAXkJrLrC2JjoAyu7 https://on.soundcloud.com/FAXkJrLrC2JjoAyu7
- TazeTSchnitzel 2y agoEven as a very inexperienced musician I think I can say these are not very compelling examples? They sound like unfinished sketches that took a few minutes to make each, but with no overarching theme and weirdly low fidelity. An absolute beginner could make better things just by messing around with a groovebox.
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- rlhf 2y agoIt seems so real, cool.
- salamo 2y agoThe first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any image generator that doesn't have deformed pieces, the correct number of squares, squares properly in a checkerboard pattern, pieces placed in the correct position, board oriented properly (white on the right!) and not an otherwise illegal position. It seems to be an "AI complete" problem.
- arcticbull 2y agoSimilarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe another good AI Turing test, for now.
- 22c 2y agoI've only ever seen photos of the northern lights and I also didn't know that.
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- sdenton4 2y agoThat doesn't seem in any way useful, though... To use a very blunt analogy, are color blind people intelligent/sentient/whatever? Obviously, yes: differences in perceptual apparatus aren't useful indicators of intelligence.
- shermantanktop 2y agoAs a colorblind person…I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me squinting at their phones. Wider bandwidth isn’t always better.
- efitz 2y agoI’m surprised that the cowboy is not actually an Asian woman.
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- mrcwinn 2y agoOpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.
- lowkey 2y agoGoogle has a deep addiction to AdWords revenue which makes for a significant disadvantage. Nomatter how good their technology, they will struggle internally with deploying it at scale because that would risk their cash cow. Innovator’s dilemma.
- frankacter 2y agoGoogle Cloud and cloud services generated almost 9.57 billion. That's up 28% from prior: https://www.crn.com/news/networking/2024/google-cloud-posts-28-percent-revenue-jump-in-q1-2024-thanks-to-ai-says-ceo https://www.crn.com/news/networking/2024/google-cloud-posts-... They are embedding their models not only widely across their platforms suite of internal products and devices, but also computationally via API for 3rd party development. Those are all free from any perceived golden handcuffs that AdWords would impose.
- damsalor 2y agoYea, well. I still think there is a conflict of interest if you sell propaganda
- lowkey 2y agoAs of 2020, AdWords represented over 80% of all Google revenue [1] while in 2021 7% of Google’s revenue came from cloud [2]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-a...? [2] https://aag-it.com/the-latest-cloud-computing-statistics/?t https://aag-it.com/the-latest-cloud-computing-statistics/?t
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- Octokiddie 2y agoOddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.
- rjh29 2y agoEven this site just did not impress me. I feel like it's all stuff I could easily imagine myself. True creativity is someone with a unique mind creating something you would never had thought of.
- damsalor 2y agoGet a life
- jmathai 2y agoIt's a lot more than novelty. It's dedicating the attention span needed to listen to an album track by track without skipping to another song or another artist. If that sounds dumb, give it time and you'll get there also. It's not just technology though. Globalization has added so many layers between us and the objects we interact with. I think Etsy was a bit ahead of their time. It's no longer a marketplace for handcrafted goods - it got overrun by mass produced goods masquerading as something artisan. I think the trend is continuing and in 5-10 years we'll be tired of cheap and plentiful goods.
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- hwbunny 2y agoYeah, but if you bring up a generation or two on this trash, they will get used to it and think this will be the norm and gonna enjoy it like pigs at the troughs.
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- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoI was hoping to see more.. I logged in and was greeted by a waiting list for videos. Since I was disappointed already, I figured I might as well spend some time on other, hopefully usable, features. So I moved to pictures. First, randomly selected 'feeling lucky' prompt got rejected, because it did not meet some criteria and pop-up helpfully listed FAQ to explain to me how I should be more sensitive to the program. I found it amusing. Then I played with a couple of images, but it was nothing really exciting one way or another. I guess you can color me disappointed overall. And no, I don't consider videos on repeat sufficient.
- TheAceOfHearts 2y agoImageFX fails at both of my tests: 1. Generating an image of "a group of catgirls activating a summoning circle". Anything related to catgirls tends to get tagged as sexual or NSFW so it's censored. Unsurprising. 2. The lamb described in Book of Revelation. Asking for it directly or pasting in the passage where the lamb is described both fail to generate any images. Normally this fails because there's not much art of the lamb from Book of Revelation from which the model can steal. If I gave the worst of artists a description of this, they'd be able to come up with something even if it's not great. Overall, a very disappointing release. It's surprising that despite having effectively infinite money this is the best that Google is able to ship at the moment.
- SomaticPirate 2y agoI think this comment is peak Hackernews… dripping with sarcasm and minimizing a significant engineering accomplishment
- TheAceOfHearts 2y agoThere's nothing sarcastic about my comment. It highlights key limitations of the system with clear examples. Considering the number of world-class engineers and effectively infinite resources available to Google it's just a disappointing release. Both examples are things that I care about and which other people aren't discussing, so I think adding my voice to the conversation is a net positive.
- runeks 2y agoDidn't the model ever fail to generate realistic-looking content? If I don't know better I'd think you just cherry-picked the prompts with the best-looking results.
- carschno 2y agoWhat you see there is a product, not the scientific contribution behind it. Consequently, you see marketing material, not a scientific evaluation.
- tsurba 2y agoUnfortunately also the majority of scientific papers for eg. image generation have had completely cherry-picked examples for a long time now.
- yoyopa 2y agostop with the ridiculous names just some code numbers like BMW
- sanjayk0508 2y agoits a direct competition to sora
- ArchitectAnon 2y agoI think the thing that most perturbs me about AI is that it takes jobs that involve manipulating colours, light, shade and space directly and turns them into essay writing exercises. As a dyslexic I fucking hate writing essays. 40% of architects are dyslexic. I wouldn't be surprised if that was similar or higher in other creative industries such as filmmaking and illustration. Coincidentally 40% of the prison population is also dyslexic, I wonder if that's where all the spare creatives who are terrible at describing things with words will end up in 20 years time.
- aavshr 2y agoI would imagine and hope for interfaces to exist where the natural language prompt is the initial seed and then you'd still be able to manipulate visual elements through other ways.
- Art9681 2y agoThis is the case today. You won't get a "perfect" image without heavy post-processing, even if that post-processing is AI enhanced. ComfyUI is the new PhotoShop and although its not an easy app to understand, once it "clicks" its the most amazing piece of software to come out of the opensource oven in a long time.
- fzzzy 2y agoyou can speak instead if you wish. Speech to text is available for all operating systems.
- cy6erlion 2y agoSpeaking has sound but that is still just words with the same logic structure. "Colours, light, shade and space" have entirely different logic.
- fzzzy 2y agoVery interesting. Thank you for the perspective, it is extremely illuminating. What is a user interface which can move from color, light, shade, and space to images or text? Could there be an architecture that takes blueprints and produces text or images?
- neverokay 2y agoI really just need to make some porn with this stuff already and I feel like we’re all tip toeing around this key feature. Censored models are not going to work and we need someone to charge for an explicit model already that we can trust.
- Dowwie 2y agoThe Alpine Lake example is gorgeous
- nbzso 2y agoHow many billions and tons of water is wasted on this abomination and copyright theft?
- solatic 2y ago> It's critical to bring technologies like Veo to the world responsibly. Videos created by Veo are watermarked using SynthID, our cutting-edge tool for watermarking and identifying AI-generated content And we're supposed to believe that this is resilient against prompt injection? How do you prevent state actors from creating "proof" that their enemies engaged in acts of war, and they are only engaging in "self-defense"?
- dmix 2y agoNation states can run their own models if not now very soon. This isn't something you're going to control via AI-safety woo woo.
- datarez 2y agoGoogle is dancing with OpenAI
- faragon 2y agoI would ask for specific raytraced animated scene with geometric objects of plane colors. Indicating the object location and the camera route.
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