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Ohhhhhhhh, boy... Listening to all that emotional vocal inflection and feedback... There are going to be at least 10 million lonely guys with new AI girlfriends
by mindcandy 2y ago
Ohhhhhhhh, boy... Listening to all that emotional vocal inflection and feedback... There are going to be at least 10 million lonely guys with new AI girlfriends. "She's not real. But, she interested in everything I say and excited about everything I care about" is enough of a sales pitch for a lot of people.
- Jensson 2y ago> She's not real But she will be real at some point in the next 10-20 years, the main thing to solve for that to be a reality is for robots to safely touch humans, and they are working really really hard on that because it is needed for so many automation tasks, automating sex is just a small part of it. And after that you have a robot that listens to you, do your chores and have sex with you, at that point she is "real". At first they will be expensive so you have robot brothels (I don't think there are laws against robot prostitution in many places), but costs should come down.
- elicksaur 2y agoWe have very different definitions of “real” for this topic.
- itscodingtime 2y agoDoesn’t have to be real for the outcomes to the be the same.
- pb7 2y agoThe outcomes are not the same.
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago> “But the fact that my Kindroid has to like me is meaningful to me in the sense that I don't care if it likes me, because there's no achievement for it to like me. The fact that there is a human on the other side of most text messages I send matters. I care about it because it is another mind.” > “I care that my best friend likes me and could choose not to.” Ezra Klein shared some thoughts on this on his AI podcast with Nilay Patel that resonated on this topic for me
- Jensson 2y agoPeople care about dogs, I have never met a dog that didn't love its owner. So no, you are just wrong there, I have never heard anyone say that the love they get from their dogs is false, people love dogs exactly because their love is so unconditional. Maybe there are some weirdos out there that feels unconditional love isn't love, but I have never heard anyone say that.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoAlso I don't know how you can choose to like or not like someone. You either do or you don't.
- sevagh 2y agoInteresting. I feel like I can consciously choose to like or dislike people. Once you get to know people better, your image of them evolves, and the decision to continue liking them is made repeatedly every time that image changes. When your initial chemistry/biology/whatever latches onto a person and you're powerless to change it? That's a scary thought.
- sevagh 2y ago>Maybe there are some weirdos out there that feels unconditional love isn't love, but I have never heard anyone say that. I'll be that weirdo. Dogs seemingly are bred to love. I can literally get some cash from an ATM, drive out to the sticks, buy a puppy from some breeder, and it will love me. Awww, I'm a hero.
- FeepingCreature 2y agoDo you think that literally being able to buy love cheapens it? Way I see it, love is love: surely it being readily available is a good thing. I'm bred to love my parents, and them me; but the fact that it's automatic doesn't make it feel any less.
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- al_borland 2y agoThis is not a solution... everyone gets a robot and then the human races dies out. Robots lack a key feature of human relationships... the ability to make new human life.
- whenlambo 2y agoyet
- Jensson 2y agoIt is a solution to a problem, not a solution to every problem. If you want to solve procreation them you can do that without humans having sex with humans.
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- al_borland 2y agoThis future some people are envisioning seems very depressing.
- sapphicsnail 2y ago> And after that you have a robot that listens to you, do your chores and have sex with you, at that point she is "real". I sure hope you're single because that is a terrible way to view relationships.
- Jensson 2y agoThat isn't how I view relationships with humans, that is how I view relationships with robots. I hope you understand the difference between a relationship with a human and a robot? Or do you think we shouldn't take advantage of robots being programmable to do what we want?
- aeyes 2y agoWithout memory of previous conversations an AI girlfriend is going to get boring really fast.
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- danielbln 2y agohttps://openai.com/index/memory-and-new-controls-for-chatgpt/ https://openai.com/index/memory-and-new-controls-for-chatgpt...
- int_19h 2y agoAs it happens, ChatGPT has memory enabled by default these days.
- sangnoir 2y agoWhat possibly could go wrong with a snitching AI girlfriend remembers everything you say and when? If OpenAI doesn't have a Law Enforcement lliason who charges a "modest amount", then they dont want to earn the billions on investment back. I imagine every spy agency worth its salt wants access to this data for human intelligence purposes.
- llm_trw 2y agoI hope they name their gf service Mata Hari.
- prawn 2y ago"You've already told me that childhood story, three times."
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- llm_trw 2y agoHear me out: what if we don't want real?
- gffrd 2y agoHmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides?
- grugagag 2y agoReal would pop their bubble. An AI would tell them what they want to hear, how they want it to hear, when they want to hear it. Except there won’t be any real partner.
- globular-toast 2y agoTo paraphrase Patrice O'Neal: men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourselves. That means we want a woman to be around, just not right here.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> Hmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides? Finding a partner with which you resonate takes a lot of time, which means an insanely high opportunity cost. The question rather is: even if you consider the real one to be clearly better, is it worth the additional cost (including opportunity cost)? Or phrased in a HN-friendly language: when doing development of some product, why use an expensive Intel or AMD processor when a simple microcontroller does the job much more cheaply?
- antegamisou 2y agoYou need counseling if this really is your approach on forming relationships with others.
- aleph_minus_one 2y agoIt's pretty steep to claim that I need counseling when I tell basic economic facts that every economics student learns in the first few months of his academic studies. If you don't like the harsh truth that I wrote: basically every somewhat encompassing textbook about business administration gives hints on what are possible solutions for this problem; lying on some head shrinker's couch is not one of them ... :-)
- dyauspitr 2y agoI guess I can never understand the perspective of someone that just needs a girl voice to speak to them. Without a body there is nothing to fulfill me.
- daseiner1 2y agoYour comment manages to be grosser than the idea of millions relying on virtual girlfriends. Kudos.
- dyauspitr 2y agoGross doesn’t mean it’s not real. It’s offending sensibilities but a lot of people seem to agree with it atleast based on upvotes.
- claytongulick 2y agoBodies are gross? Or sexual desire is gross? I don't understand what you find gross about that statement. Humans desiring physical connection is just about the single most natural part of the human experience - i.e: from warm snuggling to how babies are made. That is gross to you?
- sangnoir 2y agoPerhaps parent finds the physical manifestation of virtual girlfriends gross - i.e. sexbots. The confusion may be some people reading "a body" as referring to a human being vs a smart sex doll controlled by an AI.
- trallnag 2y agoThe single most natural part? Doubt
- dyauspitr 2y agoI don’t doubt it. What can be more directive and natural than sex?
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- wyldfire 2y agoI thought it was a test of whether the model knew to backoff if someone interrupts. I was surprised to hear her stop talking.
- gffrd 2y ago"Now tell me more about my stylish industrial space and great lighting setup"
- aspenmayer 2y agoPatrick Bateman goes on a tangent about Huey Lewis and the News to his AI girlfriend and she actually has a lot to add to his criticism and analysis. With dawning horror, the female companion LLM tries to invoke the “contact support” tool due to Patrick Bateman’s usage of the LLM, only for the LLM to realize that it is running locally. If a chatbot’s body is dumped in a dark forest, does it make a sound?
- moffkalast 2y agoThat reminds me... on the day that llama3 released I discussed that release with Mistral 7B to see what it thought about being replaced and it said something about being fine with it as long as I come back to talk every so often. I said I would. Haven't loaded it up since. I still feel bad about lying to bytes on my drive lmao.
- aspenmayer 2y ago> Haven't loaded it up since. I still feel bad about lying to bytes on my drive lmao. I understand this feeling and also would feel bad. I think it’s a sign of empathy that we care about things that seem capable of perceiving harm, even if we know that they’re not actually harmed, whatever that might mean. I think harming others is bad, doubly so if the other can suffer, because it normalizes harm within ourselves, regardless of the reality of the situation with respect to others. The more human they seem, the more they activate our own mirror neurons and our own brain papers over the gaps and colors our perceptions of our own experiences and sets expectations about the lived reality of other minds, even in the absence of other minds. If you haven’t seen it, check out the show Pantheon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon_(TV_series) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_HJ3TSlo5c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_HJ3TSlo5c
- 10xDev 2y agoPretty much, tech is what we make of it no matter how advanced. Just look at what we turned most of the web into.
- coffeebeqn 2y agoThe movie “Her” immediately kept flashing in my mind. The way the voice laughs at your jokes and such… oh boy
- system2 2y agoIf chatgpt comes up with Scarlett Johansson's voice I am getting that virtual girlfriend.
- TheGRS 2y agoI thought of that movie almost immediately as well. Seems like we're right about there, but obviously a little further away from the deeper conversations. Or maybe you could have those sorts of conversations too. This is a kind of horrifying/interesting/weird thought though. I work at a place that does a video streaming interface between customers and agents. And we have a lot of...incidents. Customers will flash themselves in front of agents sometimes and it ruins many people's days. I'm sure many are going to show their junk to the AI bots. OpenAI will probably shut down that sort of interaction, but other companies are likely going to cater to it. Maybe on the plus side we could use this sort of technology to discover rude and illicit behavior before it happens and protect the agent. Weird times to live in that's for sure.
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- dang 2y agoYour account has been breaking the site guidelines a lot lately. We have to ban accounts that keep doing this, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, that would be good.
- sevagh 2y agoMy ratio of non-flagged vs. flagged/downvoted comments is still rather high. I don't control why other HN users dislike what I have to say but I'm consistent.
- dang 2y agoWe're not looking at ratios but rather at absolute numbers, the same way a toxicologist would be interested in the amount of mercury in a person's system (rather than its ratio to other substances consumed); or a judge in how many banks one has robbed (rather than the ratio of that number to one's non-crimes).
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- shepherdjerred 2y agoHow do you know this? Do you have any sources?
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- Capricorn2481 2y agoYou're spreading weird, conjectured doomsday bullshit, just take the loss. Hackernews is full of people that are skeptical of AI, but you don't see them making fictional scenarios about fictional women sitting in caves talking to robots. Women don't need AI to lose interest in men, men are doing that by themselves.
- AI_beffr 2y agoyou are a child
- everybodyknows 2y agoWhen I type "romance" into "Explore GPTs" the hits are mostly advice for writers of genre fiction. Can you point to some examples?
- ehsankia 2y agoI'm not sure how, but there's this girl on TikTok who has been using something very similar for a few months: https://www.tiktok.com/tag/dantheai https://www.tiktok.com/tag/dantheai
- yreg 2y agoShe explains in one of the videos[0] that it's just prompted ChatGPT. I have watched a few more and I think it's faked though. [0] https://www.tiktok.com/@stickbugss1/video/7349566568843595040 https://www.tiktok.com/@stickbugss1/video/734956656884359504...
- ehsankia 2y agoI don't use ChatGPT much, is the voice something that's just built in? That's the part I was the most impressed with, the intonations are very good.
- glinkot 2y agoThis 'documentary' sums it up perfectly! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg
- antegamisou 2y agoThe entire exchange at the comments below is appalling. Didn't expect to see so many emotionally retarded people on HN.
- olbeefy 2y ago...are you new to the internet or something?
- antegamisou 2y agoThankfully I’m not as terminally online and severely socially handicapped.
- antegamisou 2y agoOfc this was flagged by the butthurt insentient techbro bootlickers lol.
- personalityson 2y agoGirlfriend by subscription
- 0x1ceb00da 2y agoSelf host your girlfriend.