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Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Yes, it's a great technical achievement, but I just worry for the future. We d

• simpaticoder 3y ago
  I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of animators suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
  • ethbr1 3y ago
    The writing has been on the wall for that for awhile though... Every large animation studio has continually been looking for ways to decrease the number of artists required to produce a film, since the beginning of the field.
    • Balgair 3y ago
      I don't know who in the upper parts of the various guilds in Hollywood saw this demo'd last summer, but they really really took notice. Those strikes went on for a long time, and it seems that holding out and getting the clause in to exclude this kinda tech was a brilliant bit of foresight. Holy heck, in 5 years, maybe just a year, this kinda tech is going to take nearly all their jobs.
    • moneywoes 3y ago
      doesn’t that apply to software as well
      • ethbr1 3y ago
        It does, but I daresay the world's appetite for "more software" (in all applications) seems to be infinite.
  • bendergarcia 3y ago
    The only reason this is possible is because of the content those people created. This literally doesn’t exist without them. Not sure what you’re trying to say….
    • tsunamifury 3y ago
      Yea... thats the point he was making.
  • carabiner 3y ago
    When they came for the animators, I did not speak, for I was not an animator.
    • zzzeek 3y ago
      when they came for the animators, I did not speak, for the diffusion model forgot to give me a plausible mouth
• seydor 3y ago
  some light alcohol, relaxing and remembering life is beautiful
  • rpmisms 3y ago
    Be a human, basically? Very important to be human often. We often forget in this sphere.
  • cyrialize 3y ago
    That is a good reminder. My fear is the alternative reality that these tools could provide. Given the power and output of the tooling, I could see a future where the "normal" of a society is strategically changed. For example, many younger generations aren't getting a license at 16. This is for a variety of reasons: you connect with friends online, malls cost money, less walkable spaces, less third places. If I'm a company that makes money based off of subscription services to my tools, wouldn't it be in my best interest to influence each coming generation? Making friends and interacting with people is hard, but with our tooling you can find or create the exact friend you want and need. We can remember now that life is beautiful - but what's to stop from making people think that the life made by AI is most beautiful? And yeah, I've heard this argument before with video games, escapism, etc. I'm talking more about how easy it is to escape now, and how easy it'd be to spread the idea that escapism is better than what is around you.
    • benjiweber 3y ago
      Few people getting driving licences sounds ideal. In Europe there's no need. Got a licence over two decades ago have never needed to drive. Shops in walking distance, public transport anywhere in the country, convenient deliveries, walkable and cyclable cities. Meanwhile other places have no freedom from cars, locked into expensive car financing, unable to access basic amenities without a car, and motorists have normalised killing millions of people a year.
      • rottencupcakes 3y ago
        Way to miss the forest for the trees. The licenses thing is a proxy for what we’re measuring, which is real life socialization. You’ll see the same trends in Japan, where far fewer people drive than in America. I’d imagine you’d see them in Europe too.
• UberFly 3y ago
  I agree. I see how misinformation is effecting my family members now. I can't imagine how this is all going to effect what's coming.
• rllearneratwork 3y ago
  this is so exciting! why do you feel depressed. Btw, a year or two from now you'll be able to run a more powerful open model locally. So, not they aren't having some outsized amount of power
  • BadHumans 3y ago
    Exciting if you don't think about how tons of people are going to be out of work with no safety nets or how easily millions of people are going to be scammed or how easily it is going to be to be impersonate someone and frame them or etc etc etc
    • shric 3y ago
      Let's say, for the sake of argument, AI could generate absolutely perfect invented videos of arbitrary people doing literally anything. The consequence will be that video will no longer be taken seriously as evidence for crimes. People will also quickly not trust video calls without an extreme level of verification (e.g. asking about recent irl interactions, etc.) Yes some people will be scammed as they always have been, such as the recent Hong Kong financial deepfake. But no, millions of people will not keep falling for this. Just like the classic 419 advanced free fraud, it will hit a very small percentage of people.
      • mitthrowaway2 3y ago
        OK, but I did like living in a universe where I could watch video news of something happening in another country and treat it as reasonably strong evidence of what is happening in the world. Now I basically have to rely on only my own eyes, which are limited to my immediate surroundings, and eyewitness accounts from people I trust who live in those places. In that sense, I feel like my ability to be informed about the world has regressed to pre-20th-century levels.
        • wwilim 3y ago
          Pray it doesn't regress any further
• mmaunder 3y ago
  Stop pathologizing normal human feelings? If you're worried, learn how to use the tools to give yourself a competitive advantage. See steam trains, electricity, microchips, computers and the Web for historical examples of worried people adapting to game changing tech.
  • cyrialize 3y ago
    I am. I know we're in a situation now as programmers where there is more AI tooling and more programming jobs - but it's difficult for me to see that last. You could be the best at using the tools, but I think there could be a point where there is no need to hire because the tools are just that good.
    • bamboozled 3y ago
      Then wouldn’t you just stop coding and use the tools to build products ?
      • jprete 3y ago
        Have you considered what an enormous jump in career that is? Or that all the people who already started building AI products are being obsoleted by OpenAI a year after they started?
        • bamboozled 3y ago
          What concerns me is that Google and OpenAI are racing us to a point where almost no product is valuable. If I can just have AI generate me a booking.com clone, then what’s booking.com worth ? There is zero chance this tech is going to be locked up by a few companies, in a year or two open models will have similar capabilities, I have no idea what this world looks like but I think it’s less of a concern for individuals and more of a concern for the global economy in the short term. Outside of all of this, yeah we’re either going I have to adapt or die.
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• trebligdivad 3y ago
  Just imagine how the cats are worried! If the internet doesn't need cats any more for cute cat videos....
• gigglesupstairs 3y ago
  All those videos made me so scared of what’s about to come in next few years. India is already a major market for perpetrators of misinformation and with major social media giants only paying lip service to our concerns, with western countries being their major focus, things portend to get even more darker for the poor, the disenfranchised in our side of the world.
• mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  I felt depressed after seeing this, so I had a long hug with my partner, and remembered the serenity prayer: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference." If AI dystopia is coming, at least it's not here quite yet, so I'll try to enjoy my life today.
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• elwell 3y ago
  This will just accelerate the realization in people that this earth can't give you true meaning. That comes from 'above'.
  • rafaelero 3y ago
    Mars?
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    • elwell 3y ago
      The Roman god or the planet?
  • slothtrop 3y ago
    As though we'd all collectively stop doing anything in a full-automation utopian scenario. Be serious.
    • elwell 3y ago
      I don't understand how that relates to my comment.
      • slothtrop 3y ago
        Unless you think everyone else is lying, people can and do find meaning in their lives, in the activities they love. AI has no bearing on that (just careers) so there's no reason to believe it would "accelerate" anything.
        • elwell 3y ago
          Thanks for taking the time to explain. I do kind of think people are lying (to themselves). Ignorance is (temporary) bliss. I'm seeking lasting meaning; not 'meaning' that dissolves after a season, or at best, at the end of a life. What I meant by 'accelerat[ing] the realization' is that all of our earthly desires will more readily be fulfilled, and we will see that we still feel empty. AI is like enabling a new cheat code in the game of life, and when you have unlimited ammo the FPS becomes really fun for a moment but then loses its meaning quickly.
• xanderlewis 3y ago
  I seem to be immune to it now. I’ve just accepted that I’m going to feel less and less useful as time goes by, and I should just enjoy whatever I can. Life will probably never be as good as it was for people 30 years older than me, but it’s not something that looks likely to change. Nothing about the future looks particularly good, other than that medicine is improving. But what’s the point of being alive in such a sanitised, ‘perfect’, instant-dopamine-hits-on-demand kind of world anyway? Just say to hell with it and bury yourself in an interesting textbook. Learn something that inspires you. It doesn’t matter if ‘AI’ can (or soon will be able to) do it a billion times better than you. And be kind to those around you.
  • cyrialize 3y ago
    I feel this, thank you. I've started reading again, because reddit/instagram/etc. has become kind of boring for me? Like, I still go on them to get an instant dopamine hit from time to time, but like you said burying yourself in a textbook just feels so much more rewarding.
    • xanderlewis 3y ago
      Maybe someone needs to start a small group of people who specifically want to do this — seek refuge from the chaotic and increasingly worrying world (in particular the threat of replacement by extremely general automated systems) by immersing themselves in learning, and sharing the results with others. I’m sure such groups already exist, but maybe not specifically with this goal in mind. Learning for its own sake really is the answer to lasting happiness… for some of us, anyway.
      • chpmrc 3y ago
        I don't think it's too far fetched to hypothesize that the next major global conflict will be between accelerators (e/acc) and decelerators. I see a parallel with political/economic ideologies like capitalism and communism. One of them will eventually prevail (for most of the world) but it won't be clear which until it happens. Scary but also exciting times ahead!
• lukan 3y ago
  We are close to 1.5 degree global warming. And the world is rather busy with war, than actually make a unified effort to change things. That is depressing to me, not that AI can make somewhat convincing background scenery movies (as standalone videos I do not found them convincing, all in all impressive, sure, but too many errors).
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  • layer8 3y ago
    I’m more worried that if AI really works out, businesses will end up consuming as much energy as they possibly can using it, because using it more than the competition will provide another edge. It’s not clear how we are supposed to reduce energy consumption. Is there a boundary of diminishing returns that would impose a limit?
    • promiseofbeans 3y ago
      I think the big visionaries behind the main ai developers are all hoping to achieve agi, and that it will be able to fix everything, outweighing the short-term vast usage of energy trying to create it
    • golergka 3y ago
      We shouldn't be reducing energy consumption. We should be increasing it, while decreasing CO2 emissions.
    • numpad0 3y ago
      So this is why a global thermonuclear war followed by nuclear outer space expansionism is a solution.
• schleck8 3y ago
  > We don't have good social safety nets, and we aren't close to UBI. In the US, let's keep that in mind.
  • reducesuffering 3y ago
    If you think EU funds are going to be there funding those social safety nets in the Brave New World where AGI decimates industry... They're not even sustainable as is.
    • Moldoteck 3y ago
      Eu will find ways to keep ppl employed:)
      • Astraco 3y ago
        And Unicorns
        • Moldoteck 3y ago
          I think unicorn's jobs are safe for now, but will see :)
• mv4 3y ago
  OpenAI is one major privacy/compliance scandal away from losing that power. I believe it's inevitable, and MS 'will' throw them under the bus when that happens.
  • mhh__ 3y ago
    Only for Microsoft to get the IP
• throwup238 3y ago
  Depression and gloom? Not here! I can see all of my plans for world domination coming together right in front of my eyes. A few years ago I was absolutely certain I’d die without achieving my dream of becoming God Emperor of a united Planet Earth.
  • DalasNoin 3y ago
    New alt, Sama?
• debarshri 3y ago
  I think you can create an alternate reality with these tools in a way that we havent even thought can alter ones own self. We have seen this in small scale of social media that ones self esteem. We will see a new set of problems that would be much deeper. Videos and image that make you believe false reality, reliance of GPT will generate false knowledge. False reality problems have started popping up everywhere. It is going to be much deeper. I think we are in for a really crazy trip
  • Aeolun 3y ago
    Go back to insularized communities that only interactt offline. Guaranteed reality, as far as you can trust interactions with your neighbors anyway.
• Quothling 3y ago
  The climate is burning. The Amazon is likely collapsing sooner than we expect. There are plenty of wars around the globe and a major multi country conflict brewing in Africa. Western politics are laughable, and still the best if you want to be free to say what you want and have rights. Inequality is incredibly high and rising. And so on. So there are a lot of things to be depressed about before you get depressed about a little increase in misinformation and idiocy on the interwebs. I mean... things like polio and the measles are literally back to fuck with us because people are so fucking stupid they think vaccines are a bad thing. It'll be fine.
  • BadHumans 3y ago
    A lot of the things you mention are happening because of rampant misinformation. Something these tools will help create more of as an unstoppable rate.
    • ziroshima 3y ago
      I think it's naive to attribute all of the world's problems to "misinformation". You can give everyone the same information; in fact, we all already have the same information. But perspectives will vary, and there will be conflict.
      • BadHumans 3y ago
        I don't attribute it all to misinformation. I attribute it all to greed but misinformation is a great tool for the ruling class to satisfy their greed.
    • Quothling 3y ago
      The point I was trying to make was that there is no reason to worry about us setting fire to a fire. Of course you're correct, it'll get worse, but it's not like it wasn't terrible to begin with. If anything the optimist in me is hoping that all this "AI" generated content is going to make the internet so useless that our society (well the part that doesn't believe the earth is flat and that Bill Gates has mini clones in the vaccines) finally get away from it. In my region of Denmark our local police posts their immediate updates on twitter, which was fine when everyone could see them, not so great now that you need an account. I very rarely care about what they post, but around new years a fireworks container blew up near here, and I had to register (and then later delete) a twitter account to figure out if I had to worry about it or not. It'd be nice if the impending doom of fake content is going to move our institutions and politicians away from big tech SoMe platforms and it just might if they become useless.
• cyanydeez 3y ago
  depends, are you afraid of growing far right nationalism at the same time?
• jameslk 3y ago
  UBI was tested during 2020 on a nearly global scale. In the US, the CARES Act which provided stimulus checks for every tax-paying US citizen as well as extensions to unemployment was essentially a giant UBI experiment. Not for AI, but for a giant shift in economic activity where many individuals became unemployed nonetheless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act EDIT: For the downvoters, yes components of CARES was in fact inspired by UBI: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/andrew-yang-aoc-free-ubi-cash-can-help-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/andrew-yang-aoc-free-ubi-cas... https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-aoc-demands-universal-basic-income-other-radical-measures-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-aoc-demands-univ...
  • advael 3y ago
    This is a nonsensical argument UBI has three basic properties that the CARES act fulfills none of 1. Covers cost of living for some basic standard (debatable, but should include food, water, and shelter at minimum) 2. Is available to everyone without onerous requirements or means-testing (IE is "universal") 3. Carries a reasonable expectation of continuity such that people can plan around continuing to have it The CARES act was an emergency measure that absolutely zero people expected or intended to be permanent, it was laden with all the means-testing and bureaucratic hurdles that unemployment generally carries, and it very clearly did not provide adequate support for quite a lot of people It's meaningless to call something a "test" when it carries none of the properties that proponents of a policy claim would make it desirable. The only perspective from which the comparison even makes sense is from that of someone who's not considered it seriously and come up with a strawman to argue against it (IE something like "UBI is the government gives people some money") It also seems worth mentioning that I really don't buy the highly political claim that some people seem to view as self-evident: that people remained unemployed longer because they got extended unemployment benefits, rather than as a result of the massive economic shock that prompted that decision in the first place
  • itishappy 3y ago
    It may be modeled on UBI, but it's not. Universal basic income is perpetual and unconditional, while the CARES Act was a one-time payment in response to COVID. I'm sure there's still a lot we can learn from it, but I also expect many of the psychological effects will be someone muted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income_pilots
• rglover 3y ago
  Read the Bible. Specifically Revelation, 1/2 Thessalonians, and Daniel. If you haven't before, you'd be surprised how much of what's taking place now is prophesied. Many people, rightfully, (over-)react to the American caricature of Christianity (mega churches, Kenneth Copeland, etc.) as the definition of what it is (that's arguably the deception hinted at in the Bible), but reading/trusting the raw word—what's referred to as "sola scriptura"—is remarkably helpful in navigating what's taking place.
  • egorfine 3y ago
    Despite you being downvoted which is completely expected on HN, I still have to second this. > to the American caricature of Christianity This cannot be overestimated.
  • joquarky 3y ago
    Astrology helps people with navigating life in the same way as the Bible As does the I Ching These are all just Rorschach tests, why choose one of the most corruptible and corrupted approaches?
    • rglover 3y ago
      Nothing protects your other examples from corruption. > why choose one of the most corruptible and corrupted approaches? Because when the non-prophetic elements of it are applied to life, all of the anxiety, fear, and dread you feel evaporates. It's only when you view it through the lens of a "church" or "leader" (read: group) that it loses its meaning. I've read the I Ching and it lacks a religious/church element which leads to the conclusion you've had. It's not until people take it and turn it into something it isn't that it loses its value. Arguably, Christianity, due to its claims, has become weaponized. Interestingly, this very outcome is prophesied in the Bible (which, personally, cements my faith in it what it prescribes).
  • zoky 3y ago
    > Read the Bible. Specifically Revelation, 1/2 Thessalonians, and Daniel. If you haven't before, you'd be surprised how much of what's taking place now is prophesied. …said every doomsday preacher since the Bible was written.
• slothtrop 3y ago
  It takes a crisis to spur drastic policy changes such as UBI, or the sort of UBI that would maintain Western lifestyle. Just wait.
• bowsamic 3y ago
  Listen to Bach and have a beer
  • skulk 3y ago
    Panem et circenses, the one-stop-shop solution for alienation.
• bluerooibos 3y ago
  Well, Google just released Gemini 1.5 which looks insane so there's at least 2 companies in this race. These huge updates are interestingly timed though - same day?
• ETH_start 3y ago
  AGI would give you access to millions of times more resources than you currently enjoy. So I would suggest that you have absolutely nothing to worry about on the income/employment front. One company having that much power is a different matter, and I address it by looking at how we can distribute GPT training through decentralized and open platforms.
  • cryoshon 3y ago
    Who will own the company that operates the AGI? It won't be me or you. Whoever it is, they will not share any of the economic upsides of AI with the public unless they are legally forced -- zero, zip, zilch, nada. Even then, they will keep the lion's share for themselves, and they will use their surplus to shape society to their advantage. So yes, many millions of us have a big problem to worry about, especially considering how much struggling there already is now.
    • ETH_start 3y ago
      If the AGI is open source and operates through a decentralized platform, that everyone/no-one owns it, and the upside will be fully distributed to end users. But even if it stays in private hands, one company monopolizing a technology and keeping it expensive/out-of-reach is generally not how technological innovation works. There is generally intense competition between providers, with each aggressively cutting prices to capture market share.
  • thuuuomas 3y ago
    > AGI would give you access to millions of times more resources than you currently enjoy. So I would suggest that you have absolutely nothing to worry about on the income/employment front. Pure theology
    • ETH_start 3y ago
      I'm puzzled as to how you can characterize a description of AGI's functions as "theology." AGI represents the automation of what we would describe as human-level thought, transforming it into a mass-produced service that costs almost nothing to acquire. Consequently, the cost of any product or service that requires human labor is expected to trend toward zero. We're already witnessing this with the creation of textual and graphical content through ChatGPT. It's now possible to generate various types of text content and a wide range of graphics at the cost of 10 cents for the dozen ChatGPT API calls. And the work is completed in a few minutes, as opposed to several hours. This represents a several orders of magnitude increase in per capita productivity for these specific tasks. As AI technology advances, the scope of applications benefiting from such productivity boosts is expected to widen, which means human civilization will experience a revolutionary increase in productivity, and with it, resource abundance.
• __salt 3y ago
  I know it's cliche, but you truly, unironically need to go touch grass.
• lagrange77 3y ago
  > we aren't close to UBI Right! I keep saying, that at least we have to kickoff the process. Not even the legislative process, but convincing the public that we'll need it eventually (alternatively a whole different system worldwide, but that will be even harder). Will take a long time anyway.
  • bsenftner 3y ago
    Beware of UBI, simply from the perspective there is no way our puritanical members of society will allow it, and if it does get enacted will have negative ramifications rendering it more of an economic one way trap than a safety net. We're simply to easy to other others, and when those budgeting the entire economy look at the UBI population, their funding will be cut just like they cut education and social services today. I'm afraid of UBI, because I don't trust it's enactment to be fair, honest or worth accepting.
    • lagrange77 3y ago
      Never thought about it this way. Your fears sound realistic.
    • eastbound 3y ago
      France has UBI (“RSA”).
      • polshaw 3y ago
        RSI is not "universal". It is closer to an unemployment benefit than it is to a UBI.
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• lawrencechen 3y ago
  > Historically, letting technology eliminate their jobs has been a sacrifice people have made for their kids' sakes. Not intentionally, for the most part, but their kids ended up with the new jobs created as a result. No one weaves now, and that's fine. - paulg https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1757794178548048117 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1757794178548048117
  • tr3ntg 3y ago
    Ah yes, Paul G, the historian
  • chis 3y ago
    Ah perfect, all we have to do is consider a vague analogy to a totally different event in the past and it's clear that there's no worries if AI takes the vast majority of human jobs in the next 50 years. As a side note I shudder to think how many nightmare fuel cursed videos the researchers must have had to work through to get this result. Gotta applaud them for that I guess.
  • jprete 3y ago
    I can't imagine Paul Graham actually thought through the scenario he's describing. The kids of the parents who lost their jobs, throwing their lives into disarray and desperation, are not going to be the primary recipients of the new shiny technologically advanced careers.
  • akprasad 3y ago
    Sentence 1 seems historically illiterate, and I think pg knows how ridiculous it sounds because he walks it back almost immediately. "Historically people made a sacrifice, but not intentionally, for the most part" is incoherent. > No one weaves now, and that's fine. Did horses find new jobs when we moved to steam power? Leave aside the odd horse show and fairground ride. By the numbers, what do you think happened?
    • Aeolun 3y ago
      > By the numbers, what do you think happened? They found alternate employment as pack horses in WW1. The problem was solved after that.
• Moldoteck 3y ago
  Do you feel the doom related to yourself or related to the future of humanity? If it's the first - I can't think of something else than having a money safety net for 6-12 months and having a flexible mind. You can try to learn just in case some phisical skills like electrician if the doon feeling is that bad. If you feel doon for humanity's future, I don't want to be mean, but you shouldn't worry about things you can't control, try to spend more time with nature and with ppl that spend time close to nature Related to competition - the same thoughts people had when thinking about roman/any empire, how could it break, how could others compete. In the end everything ends, giants like IBM are just shadows of their past success, some are saying google is the next ibm and probably openai will be the next ibm-ed google...
• huhtenberg 3y ago
  The feeling comes from not being able to understand how exactly this is done. Makes one feel like a prehistoric man looking at a smartphone.
• adastra22 3y ago
  Why do you feel depression, not joy when humanity moves the line of progress further?
  • ChatGTP 3y ago
    Progress to what ? Where are we progressing to? More climate change, war, microplastics in our body and now extreme joblessness ? If I woke up and I saw a headline that said OpenAI has developed and AI which told us how to sequester huge amounts of cO2 then I’d be excited and agree.
    • reducesuffering 3y ago
      > Progress to what ? Where are we progressing to? Exactly. I'm sick of people advocating changes as "progress" until we get some fundamental baseline sampling of humanity's well-being. When "are you depressed?" "do you contemplate suicide?" "are you exhausted?" go up for 10 years around the globe, then people will look like lunatics saying this is "progress" and maybe we'll have a better conversation about where progress actually is.
    • speff 3y ago
      Progress for more media to be available to the general public of course. As if that's what people need nowadays...
    • ssnistfajen 3y ago
      The e/acc camp will tell you AGI can solve all of those, which is why AI research needs to move as fast as possible. What they don't tell you is only an aligned AGI can solve it in a way beneficial for humans. We had a half-assed lockdown for a few months where most people just kind of stayed indoors and saw noticeable environmental improvements world-wide. An unaligned AGI can easily conclude the best way to fix these problems is to un-exist all humans.
      • adastra22 3y ago
        There has never in the history of humanity been anything "aligned" in the sense that AI doomers use that word. Yet humanity has had a clear progression towards better, safer, and more just societies over time. We will be just fine.
• unethical_ban 3y ago
  Saving money, honing personal skills that ai can't replicate. Staying offline and enjoying the world each day without looking at my phone. This stuff is going to change media and reality so much. Best to get involved in local groups.
  • digging 3y ago
    > honing personal skills that ai can't replicate Name one, and see if that holds up in 5 years...
    • unethical_ban 3y ago
      I'm not saying I'm there yet! Being personable, mediating conflict, leadership in general. Also cooking, baking and masonry.
      • oxqbldpxo 3y ago
        I believe you're right. There may be a better quality of life by looking at the ways of the ancient past. All Ai is going to do is make the rich richer. Why try to compete with this?
      • digging 3y ago
        I don't think any of those are things AI can't excel at in 5-10 years. The latter 3 will require integration with robotics, but that's not exactly science fiction these days either, it's just something that maybe nobody bothers to do.
• __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
  We've been on an unsustainable trajectory for quite a while now. I take hope from things like this. Maybe this time it'll finally be the shock we need to rethink everything.
  • starbugs 3y ago
    I also hope that it will eventually wake up people and show what's really important. But I'm afraid we're far off from that happening.
• harryquach 3y ago
  There will be a business created specializing in authenticating digital information. I have no doubt this problem will be solved with technology.
• polytely 3y ago
  Not worried, I trust in my taste. I still haven't seen anything made by AI that moved me. I'm buying physical books written before AI was a thing, backing up music and film. Visiting concerts and museums. The information and experience in my head will become more rare and valuable compared to the AI slop that will soon permiate everything. Oh your model is trained on the billion most read online texts in the english language? cute. I'm pulling inspiration from places that aren't captured by any model. Most of my programming job is tightly coupled with the business processes and logistics of the company I work for, AI will not replace me there. Also I'm not convinced this is sustainable, I'm thinking this will be like GCI where the first iron man film looked phenomenal but where huge demand + the drive to make it profitable will drive down the quality to just above barely acceptable levels like the CGI in current marvel blockbusters.
  • screenothethh 3y ago
    You say that but most things that are commercially produced aren’t made by individuals but via collaborative processes. The AI won’t even get credit, they’ll just use it to dilute everyone else’s contribution.
  • elicksaur 3y ago
    > Most of my programming job is tightly coupled with the business processes and logistics of the company I work for, AI will not replace me there. Wondering what the runway on this statement is.
  • bhaney 3y ago
    "I still haven't seen any text written by AI that can seem coherent for more than a sentence" "I still haven't seen any text written by AI that doesn't contradict itself a few paragraphs later" "I still haven't seen any picture made by AI that doesn't look like an abstract nightmare" "I still haven't seen any picture made by AI that includes hands with the right number of fingers" "I still haven't seen any videos made by AI that aren't janky and uncanny" "I still haven't seen any videos made by AI that move me" The transition from the first to the last took less than five years.
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• elorant 3y ago
  Why should we always take the pessimistic viewpoint? Think of all the beautiful things that can be built with something like that. All the tutorials that could be created for any given subject. All the memories that could be relived. Upload a photo with your grandparents, give it context, and see them laughing and playing with you as a toddler. Feed it your favorite book and let it make a movie out of it. I mean, fuck me, the possibilities are endless. I don’t feel depressed. I feel blessed to be able to live in an era when all these marvelous things materialize. This is the stuff we read in science fiction decades ago.
  • lemming 3y ago
    Yes, I remember the Matrix discussing something very like the situation you describe.
  • ssnistfajen 3y ago
    Idk about you but I would not consider AI-generated memories of my grandparents even remotely close to being an authentic experience whatsoever. One of my grandparents passed before I was born, so any synthetic depictions of us are fake. That frankly sounds like a post-apocalyptic experience, if not worse than that.
  • dorkwood 3y ago
    > Upload a photo with your grandparents, give it context, and see them laughing and playing with you as a toddler. Exactly. People just aren't seeing this. You don't even have to limit the fake memories to real people. Don't have a girlfriend? Generate videos and photographs of you and your dream girl traveling the world together, sharing intimate moments, starting a family. The possibilities are so exciting. I think the people who hate this idea are people who already have it all. They're not like me and you.
• jjice 3y ago
  For what it's worth, there have been a lot of situations like this in the past. Maybe not as fast as this, but tech has displaced jobs so many times like with the cotton gin and computers, but more jobs have come about from those (like probably your job). Now, you can say that this is different but do we really have any data to back that up aside from speed of development? As for social safety nets: if this affects people as heavily as you think (on an unprecedented, never before seen level), the US will almost certainly put _something_ into place and add some heavy taxes on something like this. If tens of millions of Americans are removed from the work force and can't find other work because of this, they'll form a really strong voting block. Also consider that things are never perfect. We've had wars around the world for a notable amount of time. Even the US has been in places we shouldn't be for a serious chunk of the last century, but things have worked out. We have a ton of news and access now so we're just more aware of these things. Hopefully that perspective helps a bit. HN and social media can have "doomer" tones quote a bit. Hopefully some perspective can help show that this may not be as large a change as we think. Or maybe I'm an idiot, as some child comments may point out shortly.
  • akprasad 3y ago
    > do we really have any data to back that up By definition, we don't have data for events we haven't seen before. So instead I reason as well as I can: Consider the set of all jobs a human being could do. Consider the set of all jobs an AI system could perform as well as a human being but more cheaply. Is the AI set growing, and if so, how quickly? Prior technology is generally narrow and dumb: I cannot tell my cotton gin to go plant cotton for me, nor can I ask it to fix itself when it breaks. Therefore I take on a strategic role in using and managing my cotton gin. The promise of AI systems is that they can be general and intelligent. If they can run themselves, then why do I need a job telling them what to do?
    • tombert 3y ago
      Isn't this making the assumption that the stuff that needs to get done is fixed size? New technologies also create entirely new categories of jobs. "Computer" used to be a profession, where people would sit and do multiplication tables and arithmetic all day [1]. Then computing machines came along and put all those people out of work, but it also created entire new categories of jobs. We got software engineers, computer engineers, administrators, tons of sub-categories for all of those, and probably dozens more categories than I can think of. I think that there's a very high likelihood with the current jobs that humans do better than computers, most will be replaced by cheaper AI labor. However, I don't see why we should assume that set of things that humans do better than computers is static. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_(occupation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_(occupation)
• HlessClaudesman 3y ago
  The more I play with AI the more I realise that The "I" part of AI is just clever marketing. People who are freaking out about AI should just play around with it, you will soon realise how fundamental dumb it is, and maybe relax about it. AI has no spark, no drive, no ambition, no initiative, no theory of mind, and it's not clear to me that it will ever have these things. Right now, it's just a hammer that can build 100 houses a second, but who needs 100 slightly wonky houses?
  • srinivgp 3y ago
    Um. A hammer that can build 100 houses a second would be incredibly valuable, both solving and causing some very important problems. So good analogy from my perspective I suppose, but I don't think it supports your conclusion?
    • jononomo 3y ago
      What do you think his conclusion is?
  • Animats 3y ago
    > AI has no spark, no drive, no ambition, no initiative... Just add a cost function.
    • elicksaur 3y ago
      This kind of reductive attitude towards what it means to be human is what really depresses me, not current ai tech.
      • fullshark 3y ago
        Maybe engineers aren't who you should be looking to for what it means to be human. This board can't answer every question you face.
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• TaupeRanger 3y ago
  It's literally nothing. Generative images haven't really gotten better at the things people care about, like getting specific details right and matching exact descriptions, and avoiding uncanny animals and humans. There's no reason to think video will be any different. No reason to panic - just take it for what it is: something funny to amuse yourself with for a few hours.
• itissid 3y ago
  And we have been told that with innovation and disruption, a new breed of jobs and skill sets are created. But we don't know (or are very bad at predicting) what those would be, especially now that the world has 100's millions of people linked to these economies (film, writing, gaming). Many people (including myself) have bought into the narrative that history will repeat here and things will be better eventually, but not how much has to break first, and it's used as a hammer by OpenAI and probably every innovator who disrupted. They advertised "Safety" but no "Economic Impact" analysis because the latter is less scary and requires difficult predictive work, the former is just narrow legalese defined by 80-year-old congressman they have to abide by to "release" v1.0. There is at-least a Congressional Budget office(CBO) where the 80-year-olds work, flawed as it maybe...
• aggie 3y ago
  It's worth considering that throughout history there have been people who have felt this way. That suggests this perception is a natural tendency of humans and it does not have a good track record of turning out be be correct.
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• konschubert 3y ago
  1. I would much rather live in a world of abundance and figure out UBI than in a world of scarcity. 2. I don't think what they have can be protected all that well. Others will catch up.
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• suyash 3y ago
  There is no UBI coming, govt can barely fund current budgetary needs without borrowing tons of money. If here are no jobs means no tax payers which will further shrink gov budgets. We are on our own as I see it.
• satvikpendem 3y ago
  I don't worry. These are all ultimately just tools for humans, they don't do anything without us prompting them to do so.
• throw310822 3y ago
  The thing that fills me with dread watching these videos is not (much) the thought of how many jobs it might make useless. It's the thought that every single pixel, every movement is fake. There is literally not a speck of truth in these videos, there is nothing one can learn about the real world. Yes they're often "right" but any detail can be wrong at any moment. Just like ChatGPT hallucinating but in a much deeper way- we know that language can be used to lie or just make up things, but a realistic video hits in a different way. For example the video of the crested pigeon- a bird I haven't seen before- is beautiful and yet it can be wrong in an infinity of details- actually, I don't even know if such a bird exists.
• up2isomorphism 3y ago
  I just don’t find much value of the things that they are generating so I don’t feel that’s a problem. If there is anything this things is positive, is that it reminds us how boring and predictable the daily life of normal people are.
  • elicksaur 3y ago
    Gentle reminder that you are also “normal people”.
    • up2isomorphism 3y ago
      If you read carefully and not assuming normal people means “inferior ” people, you will see I did not exclude myself from “normal people“ at all.
• quadcore 3y ago
  Like you said, it's a feeling. Once you've identified it, just remember you have many many buttons that can be pushed to generate feelings. It's just a program installed long long long ago. Visualize that, breathe and just laugh at that poor bash program. There is some usefulness to those feelings - this announcement will probably have an impact on your life soon enough. But you cant let every button push and distant threat pull you down can you. Also remember, life has its own ways: as far as you know, it could also be the beginning of the best days of your life.
• petesergeant 3y ago
  Honestly? Just an embrace of cheerful, curious nihilism. Between this and climate change, we are entering interesting times, and remembering that I’ll be able to “opt-out” at a time of my choosing, and then embracing the time left with happiness and curiosity. “Glad did I live and gladly die, And I laid me down with a will … Here he lies where he longed to be; Home is the sailor, home from sea, And the hunter home from the hill.”
• sunshine_reggae 3y ago
  Well, what's ChatGPT's answer to your fears? I suppose it's going to be something like "You're asking for more purpose in your life? Sorry, I can't let you do that, Dave."
• kromem 3y ago
  There really isn't a moat. Dall-E was crazy and then suddenly people were doing the same thing on consumer hardware with an open model within a year. Filmmakers being able to bring their vision to life using generative models is going to create such a huge expansion of the market. What people don't realize is that long term these advances are a death knell for mega-corps, not for individuals. Why do I need to kiss Weinstein's ass to get my movie made if I can do it with a shoestring budget and AI and have the same assistance to create marketing materials, etc. I need a lot less money to break even and can focus on niche markets aligned with my artistic vision instead of mass appeal to cover costs plus the middlemen involved in distribution and production.
  • great_psy 3y ago
    I don’t even think the moat is the issue here. We are giving the enjoyable parts of life to a computer. And we are left with the drudgery. I’m sure some people would be more ok to work a shitty job with the hope that they might make it as an artist. Now that it’s becoming more and more obvious they will not be an artist that’s better than AI, what do they have left to hope for ?
    • erichmond 3y ago
      Interestingly, I think that's for us to choose. I'm leaning into AI specifically for this reason. I want to build tools to that reduce the drudgery. But I agree, there's going to be a "war" around this and if could go wrong, if we are not careful.
      • richrichie 3y ago
        Isn’t the constant building out tools another form of drudgery?
      • moneywoes 3y ago
        what are you building
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• adam_arthur 3y ago
  The way to generate the wealth required for something like UBI requires large scale technology driven deflation in the cost of goods and services (in real terms). Advances like this are necessary steps to get us there. People will be displaced in the short term, as they have for every other large scale advance... Cars, assembly line and so on. Better to focus on progress and helping those disaffected the most along the way
  • qwerasdf5 3y ago
    This. AI is going to be massively deflationary. How useful is UBI when the cost of goods and services approaches zero due to automation? With that said, I can imagine the federal reserve will then helicopter in money to everyone in order to reach its 2% inflation target, which kinda sounds like UBI.
• dools 3y ago
  Just remember: that's how the Luddites felt about textiles machinery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
  • kibwen 3y ago
    And how did that end up for the Luddites?
    • dools 3y ago
      There’s no lack of work now because of textiles machinery. There’s just different work.
      • kibwen 3y ago
        And yet you're dodging the question: how did it end up for the Luddites, specifically? You're not a hypothetical person in the far-future that has had time to adapt to this technology, you're a person in the here and now, and the wave is rushing towards you.
        • dools 3y ago
          Well, smashing the machinery certainly didn't get them their jobs back. Worrying about the machinery didn't get them any new jobs either. I guess some of them fell destitute because they were too angry or unfortunate, some others got jobs doing something else, and others got jobs operating the machines that had replaced them. There are winners and losers, but it's absurd to think that we should avoid progress to protect jobs. My preferred method for ensuring a just transition during times of technological progress (and to eliminating involuntary unemployment generally) is a Federal Job Guarantee http://www.jobguarantee.org/ http://www.jobguarantee.org/ Personally, the advances in AI have just made my job easier and allowed me to get more done. I don't see that trend changing either.
• petabyt 3y ago
  Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I just want to wait it out until the bubble pops or when we are at the next big thing that people obsess over.
• y04nn 3y ago
  You should feel the opposite, see it as a new tool in your pocket. Industrialisation and computers/automation took away massive amount of jobs while globally improving people lives, this may possibly (maybe not) do the same. If in the future, anybody can write the book, create a photograph or a motion picture or an music album with just few words describing what they have in mind, this will be a tremendous productivity improvement and will unleash an overflow of human creativity. I like to compare it to what Jobs said about computer, they are the "bicycle of the mind" [1]. [1] https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/bicycle-121262546097 https://medium.learningbyshipping.com/bicycle-121262546097
• bg24 3y ago
  Learning and fitness are great ways to avoid the feeling of doom. Open-source will catch up in <6 months. Note that Meta will ship llama3 anytime. So will Mistral. I am a PM, and switched to becoming a builder. Enjoy learning, keep building. What people take time to realize is that building things is a habit. As you combine that with ongoing learning, you will enjoy the process and eventually build something to earn a living.
  • throwawaywjbqw 3y ago
    Sure, I can learn how to use these models, but then how do I find things to build? I've always struggled with finding real ideas, and so I just watch AI progress and come up with blanks whenever I try to think of ways to contribute.
    • bg24 3y ago
      We focus on solving problems (customer pain points) faster, better and cheaper by leveraging AI, in our domain of expertise. Unfortunately I have nothing to showcase yet.
  • moneywoes 3y ago
    what are you building?
• orasis 3y ago
  Master the tools to create value for other humans and you’ll be just fine.
• lebean 3y ago
  Cognitive behavioral therapy works for me.
• VoodooJuJu 3y ago
  It's just a digital CONTENT! machine, it's not a big deal. CONTENT! consoomers - rejoice, producers - keep producing. Where does the sense of doom come from? What power does this company even have? The power to churn out more movieslop? Is that powerful? We've had decades of that, it's tiresome. Touch grass, tend your garden, play with your kids, drink a beer, bake a pie, write a poem, take a walk, carve a sculpture, play a board game, mend a sweater, take a breath. Relax.
• atleastoptimal 3y ago
  imagine being depressed at technological advances we will finally free ourselves from mediocre humans being the bottleneck for everything If you want a safety net move to Scandinavia
• didip 3y ago
  What to be depressed about? Every technological advancement is always a net positive to humanity, so far. OSS so far has been an effective tool as a check and balance against big corp.
  • kibwen 3y ago
    Is this being sarcastic?
• astrange 3y ago
  Nothing on this page has any relevance to employment or UBI. Also, there is strong evidence that UBI doesn't affect employment much one way or the other. Whether people are employed or not is a policy decision of the central bank and not related to how good AI is.
• lubesGordi 3y ago
  I think the deal is that these breakthroughs, aren't really great in any general case. It helps with specific instances of work, and makes individuals way more productive. That by itself might won't end up making some people obsolete. I think by and large, its just going to make people more productive. You probably don't want to work somewhere where that isn't a welcome thing.
• bondarchuk 3y ago
  UBI, social safety nets, power.. Because of videos? I don't get it. Obvious second-order effect is a devaluation of visual media. Let it all burn, who cares? Go live in the real world. Current mass media culture is an anomaly stemming from hyper-centralization of culture creation. Where we're going is a reversal to the mean.
• blibble 3y ago
  personally I am glad my past self focused on FIRE 10 years ago I am hoping our society and civilisation doesn't implode as everyone becomes unemployable as the economy and social contract collapses
• qgin 3y ago
  I can't say I know what the future economy will look like, but I can say for certain it won't just be the current one minus 99% of jobs (with all those previously employed people living in abject poverty). Capitalism doesn't work without customers. Capitalism doesn't work without scarcity. Capitalism depends on a minimum money velocity where paradoxically if you collect 100% of the money, it becomes completely worthless. To me, it seems guaranteed that will be drastic changes. There will be many attempts at new ways of organizing society with successes and failures along the way. Not out of altruism or desire to share but out of self-interest of those who collect the power afforded by AI and automation.
• huytersd 3y ago
  I’m just crossing my fingers for a 3D model generator.
• curiousgeorgio 3y ago
  Just bask in the knowledge that if those "social safety nets" and UBI become a reality, you'll have more problems than you do now. You'll look back at this moment in time with fondness. Enjoy it now.
• Kootle 3y ago
  Best way to deal with the sense of doom imo is to actually use it. You'll find how dumb it really is by itself, and how much of your own judgment/help/editing is still necessary to get anything usable. It might look like magic from these manicured press releases, but once you get your hands on it, it quickly becomes just another tool in your toolbox that, at best, helps you do the work you were doing anyway, more quickly.
  • teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    I work with these models professionally (well, I’m a web dev working along side people manipulating these models). When you give it a prompt and it spits out a pretty image, remember that the range of acceptable outputs is very large in that context. It demos very well but it’s not useful outside of stock image/stock video use cases. What artists and engineers actually do is work under a rigorous set of constraints. Getting these models to do a very specific thing, correctly adhere to those constraints, and still maintain photorealism (or whatever style you need) is a very much unsolved problem. In that case the range of valid outputs is relatively tiny.
• fasterik 3y ago
  >Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? Realize that it's a choice to respond to things this way. This feeling comes from a certain set of assumptions and learned responses. Remember that people are bad at predicting the future. Look at the historical track record of people predicting the implications of technological advancement. You'll find that almost nobody gets it right. Granted, that sometimes means that things are worse than we expect, but there are also many cases where things turn out better than we expect. If you're prone to focusing on potential negatives, maybe you can consciously balance that out by forcing yourself to imagine potential positives as well. Try to focus on things you personally have control over. Why worry about something that you can't change? Focus on problems that you can contribute to solving.
  • Ludleth19 3y ago
    The implications of technological advancement are always the same- if it can be used to replace people at a satisfactory level, it will. Appealing to stoicism is nice, but it's a bittersweet salve in this situation.
    • inference-lord 3y ago
      Honestly though, as if technological advancement has been overall worse for humans. Without it, we'd be fighting lions for food in the Savannah forever, that might be appealing to some, but I'd have prefer to have spears, fire, shelter, medcine etc. Industrial scale technology might ruin us though, so you might have some point, mostly I'm referring to climate change which is for sure the greatest existential threat imaginable right now. However it seems technology might bail us out here too, nuclear and renewables.
      • Ludleth19 3y ago
        I have no issue with technological advancement, it's obviously one of the pinnacles of human achievement- I have an issue with how those advancements are spread about and shared, especially shortly after large technological advancements happen. We undoubtedly have reaped immense benefits from the industrial revolution for example- that doesn't mean I'd have any interest in living through it or that it was executed in a way that prioritized the people who lived during those times.
• boscolite 3y ago
  Maybe take a vacation here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruOJil_sxaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruOJil_sxaA
• kderbyma 3y ago
  until we automate the real work.....UBI will not work...
• ge96 3y ago
  When I find out something was made with AI/I unknowingly interacted with it, I feel like I got owned. Also I think there will be more junk out there with how easy it will be to mass produce garbage.
• DoreenMichele 3y ago
  I spend my time researching solutions to things that concern me. (UBI isn't really a solution.) We need to push back generally against our top heavy economy. More local and regional focus would help.
• dantheman 3y ago
  Why should we have those things, with this technology everything will get cheaper and the standard of living will rise.
• deadbabe 3y ago
  Close your eyes. For most of human history, people didn’t have constant access to art work or videos. Things were fine. Maybe instead of watching manufactured shit on social media, go see a live theatre production. Seek genuineness. You can live a great life without ever seeing a picture or video.
• martin82 3y ago
  I hope we will NEVER be close to UBI. UBI is just socialism in disguise and will be downfall of our civilisation.
• doubloon 3y ago
  Buy actual art from actual artists and put it in your walls
  • krapp 3y ago
    That's an odd thing to say in a thread about an AI product that isn't going to affect painters and illustrators.
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• gloosx 3y ago
  It is okay, it is not too much power really. People will not loose their jobs, because you still need someone to input prompts for 10 hours straight in order to get a piece of video you want. Natural language is not perfectly precise to get exactly what you want from a model like this, and the results remain kinda random. Instead of making video in a traditional tool you will be spinning AI roulette until it generates your desired result. And even then you will probably want to edit it. Tools advance, but tools remain tools.
• zzzeek 3y ago
  OpenAI is not going to solve global warming and we will be well into widespread collapse of farming systems, mass migrations and wars of scarcity long before the robots will be doing all the work. AI isnt going to solve any of that so...if you're looking for depression/doom, that's probably a better place to look.
• userbinator 3y ago
  We're already in a post-truth world online. There's never been a better time to interact with people outside of a computer.
• novalis78 3y ago
  The future is bright. Powerful tools, explosion of consciousness, exploration of the cosmos.
• Havoc 3y ago
  Yeah today spooked me too. Between this and the large context length on google side and ability to understand video (and thus say video feed for work tasks) it sure seems like the amount of jobs in the firing line just jumped massively
• throw__away7391 3y ago
  Something I've realized over time is that however good things get, what people really want is to have more than their neighbors rather than any particular quality of life. In many ways you can with a relatively basic job live far, far better than the richest kings could dream of a few hundred years ago. Something as simple as being able to eat strawberries in December was described as literal magic in fairy tales fairly recently. Nevertheless this does not satisfy that need for social prestige and they are profoundly unhappy as a result. I don't think anything will fix or change this, definitely not UBI, the situation is a fundamental part of the human condition. I share your dread and fear that I will not be able to compete, even if my life improves by all other measures. The one thing that would dramatically change my calculus is medical advances that significantly push back death and aging.
• jimbob45 3y ago
  I’m ecstatic about the future of education. I remember many occasions of teachers going, “Gosh, I wish I could show you guys this”. Now, they can with speed and ease. I’m particularly excited for ESL learners to have high-quality low-cost tools on hand for personalized learning for every child.
• j45 3y ago
  I tell myself it’s important to try and be less myopic. One reason is, readiness of tech does not mean it’s being applied. Another is just like one OpenAI came out of no where, others will too. It’s normal to be focused on a few things to lose sight of that. Gemini realistically does some impressive things. What can we do? Building the tech is important but applying it well for actual adoption is still wide open for the average persons use. It does seem to mean that what we think might take 5y probably will take 1y in 2024, if not less like 2023. So think 10x, and 10x again as the real goal.
• statuslover9000 3y ago
  As Antonio Gramsci said: “Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.” The forces of blind or cynical techno-optimism accelerating capitalism may feel insurmountable, but the future is not set in stone. Every day around the world, people in seemingly hopeless circumstances nevertheless devote their lives to fighting for what they believe in, and sometimes enough people do this over years or even decades that there’s a rupture in oppressive systems and humanity is forever changed for the better. We can only strive to live by our most deeply held values, within the circumstances we were placed, so that when we look back at the end of our lives we can take comfort in the fact that we did the best we could, and just maybe this will be enough to avert the inevitable.
• wruza 3y ago
  Does anyone know how to handle the depression/doom one feels with these updates? I just dread, *shrug*. You don't have to be depressed or doomed, it all comes from premature predictions. That said, we are surely at the phase similar to that one right before the internet, if not electronics. I genuinely don't understand people who write AI off as yet another Bitcoin or "just an enhanced chatbot". They'll have to catch up on an insanely complex area (even ignoring rocket science behind all that) which will do without them, and right now is the opportunity to jump the ship early. It's only my nobody's opinion, but I can't see the way in which _that_ could fail. I find it incredibly stupid to think so and to just live your life as if nothing happens. If you're not the ruling class or a landlord, f...ing learn.
• sensanaty 3y ago
  Well as a start we could actually tax these megacorps and their C-suites, instead of letting them buy out politicians en-masse.
• gofreddygo 3y ago
  Times change. People adapt. Happened before, will happen again. Some adapt willingly, some hesitatingly. Current AI wave is a corporate funded experiment desperate to find something compelling beyond controlled demos to economically recoup the deepening hole in their balance sheet. The novelty has begun to wear off, the innovation has started to stagnate and the money running out. The only money making innovation left to be seen is in creating more spam. Thats where I see this wave headed. OpenAI has proven it's a shit company with rotten fundamentals playing with a shiny new toy. They will crash and burn spectacularly. As many before have done in various fields. My reaction after using any AI tool from the last couple years to do anything meaningful ends with just a big facepalm. Its a grift[1] [1]: https://www.thediff.co/archive/a-theory-of-grift/ https://www.thediff.co/archive/a-theory-of-grift/