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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom
- naz 3y agoAs a Model Y owner, the lack of a service interval is really annoying. I want to pay Tesla to make sure my car stays safe and reliable, but I can't.
- RomanAlexander 3y agodid they remove the service plan? My Model S came with a 4 year service plan where every quarter they would flush the coolant, filters, etc
- richx 3y agoSeems so, the official owners manual foresees some maintenance, but there is no regular service schedule. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-E95DAAD... Edit: interestingly, the German link seems to show something else: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/de_us/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/de_us/GUID-E95DAAD...
- sitharus 3y agoEvery quarter? Even when driving a 15 year old combustion car I have never had a car that needed to go for service that often! My new EV has a two-year service interval to check the coolant and brakes.
- bigbillheck 3y agoIt wasn't too long ago you were supposed to do an oil change every 3000 miles which for the average American will happen in less than a quarter.
- hef19898 3y agoThat stopped in the late 80s / early 90s... Heck, even my V8 (technologically from the 60s) has oil changes every 6k miles...
- croutonwagon 3y agoI generally do my oil every 7500 miles using full synthetic. When I take it in for service I assume they don’t use the expensive stuff and chnage it at 5k miles. Either way, that’s 2x a year for me. I’m probably below average driving at just shy of 15k miles/year. I think the average is around 15k though. That would be 2-3 oil changes if you did them at similar intervals. Some companies (ie: BMW) mandate more frequent chnages and higher octane gas etc etc. I don’t use those cars. If I can’t service them myself I won’t buy it (Tesla included)
- lnsru 3y agoWhat prohibits you from going to the service center yearly or every 10k miles?
- hef19898 3y agoAssuming this, no scheduled services, is Tesla policy, it is very well possible that Tesla doesn't have task lists in place for said checks. Which would be bad...
- lnsru 3y agoTesla has some recommendations in user manual. I almost bought model y. So I saw, that there is recommendation to check brakes after winter and salty roads or something alike. I also guess, that any other repair shop could do generic check as well. Teslas have brakes, suspensions, brake fluids and many other “normal” parts.
- hef19898 3y agoSure, Tesla has some things in the user manual. A workshop so needs specific task lists in the workshop manual, otherwise the inspection varies by day and person doing it. Because without said workshop manuals, mechanics are left out in the cold with regards to what has to be done. Propably includes a liability risk, you follow approved check lists from the OEM and you are propably save if something happens. You don't, miss something, an accident happens and the liability question is a lot less clear.
- AdrianB1 3y agoThere is no specific task list in the workshop manual. I had cars and motorcycles of various brands and, except for Mazda, nobody has a good list, while Mazda pretends to have one. Even in good car shops, brand or no brand, including the one owned by my family, there is no official list for a "good check", they just ask you: "what do you want checked?". Why? Because if you ask them to check everything, like Mazda says it does, it will cost a lot for little benefits. And car shops will be happy to charge labor for "checks". The best checks I get is when I ask my cousin (owner of a car shop, certified to do inspections): "take my car for a couple of days as your daily driver, if you notice anything wrong then fix it". Otherwise the official testing includes: suspension and direction (includes indirectly wheel bearing), brakes, emissions, headlight alignment, rust or corrosion signs, tire integrity and wear vs indicator, brake fluid level, antifreeze level, washer fluid level, signs of fluid leakage in the engine compartment or at wheels. That's it. I read the instruction manuals from all my cars and motorcycles. They are a minimum, in my opinion, I check myself a lot more, regularly.
- m463 3y agoAll this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or windshield wipers or fluid and the UI should keep track of it. Even if it just says "last replaced 10/11/12 @ 23,456 miles" or "inspected 11/12/13" or something.
- sergiosgc 3y agoIt should be possible to equip the car with enough sensors to detect or predict maintenance needs. Tesla's approach is, however, still incomplete. The powertrain is sensored enough, suspension/brakes/tires aren't.
- m463 3y agoJust a few data points. :) My direct experience with power train sensors has been a loud noise and lots of red triangle messages that something has failed (drive motor). Another time my direct experience with inside edge wear has been... a pop and a hiss. Then the tire pressure readout gave a red triangle to say the tire had low pressure and the number was dropping to zero. (google "tesla inside edge tire wear") My direct experience with many flat tires has been -- tesla roadside assistance will waste the rest of your day or night. I've considered buying that aftermarket spare. And the battery fuse went once - I got a huge red message: "BMS_u031 Battery Fuse Requires Replacement Soon - OK to drive, schedule service"? Turns out telsa doesn't actually KNOW if the fuse needs to be replaced - you have to bring it in (google BMS_U031) It is several hundred dollars to replace. If your car has a 12v battery, it will eventually die. The battery is fairly expensive. actually, most maintenance stuff is hidden away. Wish I could unhide it, even if tesla only did it when out of warranty.
- Neikius 3y agoFunny experience with vw - is had front brake pad sensors. Ofc rear pads wore off and never tripped any sensor...
- speedgoose 3y agoYou could go to a third party garage. The mandatory state inspections will detect the safety issues too.
- t0mas88 3y agoDoesn't it show you when to do some maintenance based on sensors? BMW has a display that has miles on it, but those miles are only rough estimates. It may say 50k miles after replacing brake pads, but 40k miles later that could have changed to zero or it could only reach zero after 60k miles. The indication for service is based on a sensor at the brake pad, not a service interval in miles.
- nxm 3y agoNot sure if sarcasm
- adriancr 3y agoHow does this work in germany? In a neighboring country I take my car to the service to do a quick maintenance + the official yearly thing. This means break pads and any issues are fixed before and car would never fail an official check. Is that not a thing for tesla?, is the driver supposed to know when to replace everything?, are sensors that good?
- Hamuko 3y agoIsn't the "no services" one of the things that all Tesla owners advertise?
- lnxg33k1 3y agoThat's just freedom of speech[1] /s [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/tesla-claims-its-false-advertising-was-protected-free-speech/ar-AA1lrClW https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/tesla-claims-its-f...
- junofan 3y agoThat article relates to self-driving, not faults. Reliability is a big enough topic that it’s hard to read this comment as much more than cruelty.
- lnxg33k1 3y agoBut seems like the attitude towards freedom of speech applies also to other parts of the marketing strategy of Tesla, no? Reliability could be a bigger argument, but let's be honest at a certain point, the Tesla price point should at least make it score higher than low end cars in the linked chart, don't you think so?
- hef19898 3y agoOh yes, maintenance on condition! Great concept, but it requires regular inspection to appraise said condition. Otherwise it is just "until failure".
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- isoprophlex 3y agoTesla: "We move fast and don't repair things if they break because there are no service centers" I don't think a messed up suspension can be fixed with an OTA update
- hef19898 3y ago>> I don't think a messed up suspension can be fixed with an OTA update But one can sure try, right? Right?
- croutonwagon 3y agoI recall, at least some of the early models, using cheap TN panels designed only to last 5-6 years. However they required multiple thousands to swap (iirc it was 3-5k) and the car was basically non-functional without it. That is a very hard pass for me. https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-touchscreens-in-nhtsa-recall-were-only-meant-to-last-5-6-years-anyway https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-tou... https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-computer-touchscreen-recall-nhtsa-designed-for-6-years-2021-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-computer-touchscreen-r...
- cyberax 3y agoTesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.
- j4yav 3y agoThis seems to indicate suspension problems are common, despite being part of the drivetrain: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...
- marcus0x62 3y agoThe only mechanical fault I've had with my model 3 in five years of ownership was the bushings in the front upper control arms (part of the suspension, for anyone unfamiliar with car suspension parts.) Tesla replaced the UCAs under warranty. This occurred at around 50k miles, which is a fairly early but not unheard of failure timeframe (normally, I'd expect UCAs to to last around 100k miles and for it to be a crap shoot as to whether the bushings or the ball joint fail.)
- steve_adams_86 3y agoThis makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a headache in comparison, I think. At the time I was certain it would be the other way around, but charging networks weren’t sufficient in the places we travel yet. I’m glad that’s the way it went now.
- ryandrake 3y agoToyota has never understood infotainment software. It’s my one and only complaint of the brand after owning many of their cars. They need to just give up.
- seanieb 3y agoTesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.
- audunw 3y agoI’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?
- yareal 3y agoWe had a model s, the software crashed constantly. Or just locked up. Nothing like having your dashboard go black at 70 mph to instill confidence in your car.
- Dinux 3y agoSofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs maintenance, especially if you rely on it, that goes for you're electric toothbrush as wel as your car. Its a utopica to think EVs somehow need less upkeep. Sure build quality can be improved here and there, and over the last 4 years I have seen Tesla's cars become better. To me regular OTA updates, up-to-date map, apps, an actual working charging network and range are more important than having all the panels aligned withing a couple of milimeters.
- philjackson 3y ago4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.
- uxp8u61q 3y ago> it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> If you don't care about your environmental impact My point is the environmental effect is de minimis. Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.
- baz00 3y agoOwn a Dacia. At least when it breaks the parts are cheap :) New wing mirror cost me £25!
- AdrianB1 3y agoI owned almost a dozen Dacia's, but not the Logan. I never got to a car shop for any repairs until I had one with warranty, otherwise I was doing all the repairs on my own, including engine rebuilds and even a chassis swap (brand new car totalled in a crash, bough a new chassis and swapped every single part to it). So, labor was cheap, parts were cheap, cost of ownership was cheap :)
- CptMauli 3y agoAnd this is exactly why that report is somewhat misleading. On the cheaper end of cars, a lot of those are not maintained regularly, and this is the reason why they fail in the first place. And if you look closely, in most cases the reason for the fail has something to do with lights or brakes or tires. Stuff which does not cost much to fix in a Dacia, but is crazy expensive on the upper end, BMW etc. I had the first major issue with my Dacia since I bought it 7 years ago, and it had something to do with the LPG installation, and it was about 1000€. From a TCO standpoint of view, that car is so dirt cheap, only my little Seat Mii (CNG) - which I bought used, is cheaper.
- madog 3y agoWhere's the list that show all car brands? Doesn't seem to be easily found on that page or any of the linked ones.
- makeitdouble 3y agohttps://www.tuvsud.com/de-de/publikationen/tuev-report/maengelzwerge-und-fehlerriesen https://www.tuvsud.com/de-de/publikationen/tuev-report/maeng...
- ju-st 3y agoTÜV competitor DEKRA stopped publishing their "fault report" because most cars are nowadays fixed before being checked by Tüv/Dekra. ( https://www.dekra.de/de/dekra-gebrauchtwagenreport/ https://www.dekra.de/de/dekra-gebrauchtwagenreport/) That's why the buyer demographic of a car is the most significant factor in the ranking. Cars used by companies, seniors, wealthy individuals or cabriolets have a good ranking. Meanwhile cars bought majorily by frugal or smart customers (Dacia, Tesla) tend to have bad rankings. This is because it's much more cost efficient to let Tüv/Dekra check you car before doing any repairs. Also what is ignored in the ranking is that some faults are much more important than others. Afaik a bad parking light can have the same influence on the ranking as a broken down transmission.
- hef19898 3y agoI get "frugal", but exactly is smart about not properly maintaining your car?
- bmitc 3y agoIs this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.
- silisili 3y agoMy last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.
- croes 3y agoTo be fair, infotainment is a relatively recent feature of cars.
- europeanNyan 3y agoWhat is there to be fair about? We've had various iterations of GPS navigation for decades now. Yet, most maps on most infotainments are unusable slow pieces of rubbish. UX of various GUIs has been a point of research for a very long time. Yet, they are discovering it as if it was a completely new concept, the concept of touching something and it actually doing something in a short amount of time. It's like they are purposely ignoring the plethora of mobile devices and GPS units of the last decades.
- croes 3y agoBecause these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589
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- pqwEfkvjs 3y agoTesla owners are probably so rich they can just buy another when the car breaks down. Or why would anyone buy a Tesla in the first place if they were not angry at money.
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- timeon 3y ago> can just buy another There is already commenter here claiming that all 4 Teslas they owned were reliable.
- intrasight 3y agoPerhaps used to be true. Other car prices have caught up with Tesla.
- lawn 3y agoThat's stupid in more ways than one. These breakdowns sometimes cause accidents.
- Astronaut3315 3y agoJust a few weeks ago, you could buy a brand new Model 3 in the US for ~$30k with incentives. I don’t consider that to be particularly expensive for a new vehicle.
- nlstitch 3y agoTo what Ive seen online is that Teslas have problems, but they are different to ICE cars. One of the problems that I think will play a mayor role is bearings. In ICE engines these are lubricated by engine oil which is replaced on service intervals, but with E-Cars regular bearings are used within electrical motors. Gonna make a weird comparison here, but I see the same in Robot vacuums; the grease in the (plastic) gearboxes is flung to the outsides of the casing where it dries up over time, so even though they are using plastics that negate a lot of the friction issues you get in dry gearboxes, they start to wear out faster. I think we should really start to investigate how we can make these components servicable, even if that means we have to go back to oil as a lubricant. Whats the point in going electric if we have to start throwing them away just like we do with consumer electronics because they are not servicable?
- hef19898 3y agoMotor oil isn't used in lubricating axle bearings or the gearbox. Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life". If Teslas, again no idea if that's the case, failed to design those components to not require regular maintenance, and then fails to define proper service intervalls, it is purely on Tesla and not the fact that we talk about EVs. Because EVs from brands with a dense service network (which is a significant revebue driver, no idea how a company can miss that) performba lot better than Tesla in the TÜV report.
- grecy 3y ago> Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life". I don't believe there is a modern gearbox where the manufacturer of said gearbox says it never needs oil changes. The vehicle manufacturer might say that, but not the gearbox manufacturer. Case in point - my 2021 Wrangler has a ZF 8 speed auto that Jeep says never needs an oil change. ZF says it needs an oil and filter change every 100,00km.
- hef19898 3y ago"Life" is open for discussion and definition. Going with ZF, the 8 speed is a great gearbox, saves the gearbox. Going with Jeep gets you a warranty replacement. By the way, it is still possible Jeep modified the gearbox in some way, most OEMs do.
- bagels 3y agoI wish they were more specific about the "brake problems"
- martin8412 3y agoThe brakes are rarely used, so they begin to rust. Having fully functional brakes are mandatory even if you rarely use them.
- bagels 3y agoI suppose it depends on what parts are rusty and how rusty. Surface rust on rotors is not really problematic. I'm wondering if it's a subjective visual inspection vs a test of brake function.
- faebi 3y agoThis. Surface rust on the rotors is a reason to fail the TÜV. Seldom used cars have the same issue.
- martin8412 3y agoNot just surface rust. Keep in mind that Germany salts the roads in winter, and water + salt causes corrosion in brake pads.
- Wolfenstein98k 3y agoThis is the cost of doing many new things at the same time I think. Also: "“The low fault rates in old cars show that car owners are keenly aware of the importance of car maintenance. Regular servicing has a key role in this positive result”, stresses Wolz." >Insert picture of plane with bullet holes
- anovikov 3y agoIsn't it simply because it has no regular service intervals at all so EVERY time it goes to service, it's because of some fault? While other cars have the faulty components changed during at least annual, and usually more frequent service (normally it's 1 year of 15K km whichever comes first), and it doesn't count as a fault? Here in Cyprus, there is no Tesla service and no one knows how to fix them. So people just buy them and drive until they break. Not possible with any gas car.
- sdflhasjd 3y agoServicing is supposed to be preventative maintenance. If stuff is actually breaking, it not being done correctly - intervals or not.
- namdnay 3y agoClose - these aren’t service stats, they’re stats from legal inspections (every 2 years after the first 4 years I think?). So people who don’t service regularly (eg Teslas) will use these inspections as a check. Whereas people who do service regularly (all cars that need oil changes) will already have paid a mechanic to check
- Geisterde 3y agoI was just told last week that my tesla had a recall, I woke up the next day and the "recall" had finished installing OTA; I am not sure how the term SF is measured, but my instinct is that they are reaching. I know that subjective observations are biased, but at work I can divide people into tesla drivers and non tesla drivers, the former have never missed work claiming a car issue, the later has, every, single, one.
- sharps1 3y agohttps://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-monitoring-system-8060508627a34e6af889feca46eb3002 https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-mon... That recall still doesn’t fix the underlying issue with the autopilot.
- Geisterde 3y agoThe underlying issue is with the driver not paying attention to the road.
- lawn 3y agoWhich can't be fixed before lvl 5 self-driving.
- Geisterde 3y agoCant be? You can take agency over your own life today and start looking at the road. Autopilot is a wonderful tool, I use it every day and it considerably reduces exhaustion, I dont care about this white rabbit of level 5 self driving. The car tells you to watch the road, tesla did their part, if someone causes an accident by not watching the road, they should be held accountable the same as anyone else.
- lawn 3y agoWatching the road simply isn't enough. You need to be alert and ready, which is countered by the system that lulls you into a false sense of security and makes you doze off. "Tesla did their part" is such a lazy cop out.
- arpinum 3y agoThis is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.
- bluetomcat 3y agoThere are also faults and faults. A defective oxygen sensor on an ICE vehicle is easily diagnosed and replaced within minutes. Squeaking interior and misaligned doors from the factory - not so much.
- masklinn 3y agoSqueaking interiors and misaligned doors are not “significant faults” at TUV.
- Reubachi 3y agoOf course NVH aren't "significant faults" to a firm who specializes in safety feature auditing. NVH are most assuredly THE most significant faults to sales operations analysts and finance auditors who see lack of return buyers, or literal returns of the vehicles. Just because a manufacturer passed safety audits that KEEP ME ALIVE does not mean they automatically get to keep my 60 grand for doing so at the absolute bare minimum.
- Avshalom 3y agoThis year Tesla is ranked middle of the pack by CR but '21 and '22 it was bottom 5 for reliability, not to mention that whole Rueters article from last week. Like this isn't the data point.
- 93po 3y agoCR is biased garbage
- jokoon 3y agoCan't you all just use an electric bike or something? Or an electric scooter?
- cpursley 3y agoWhile my toddler might love that idea, my wife and the police wouldn’t.
- lifestyleguru 3y agoEven in walkable and cyclable European cities, we'd been priced out long time ago. You'll not be the smiling person on a bicycle from promotional city leaflet, you'll live 30 km from the city and commute in dacia duster.
- deely3 3y agoWhat is your solution for people that have two or more childrens in two different schools when road covered in ice or 3in of snow? Or when its -17 celsius outside?
- remram 3y agoWhere's the full ranking?
- mdp2021 3y agoWhere is the actual list (besides the analysis)? Is it this one https://www.tuvsud.com/de-de/publikationen/tuev-report/maengelzwerge-und-fehlerriesen https://www.tuvsud.com/de-de/publikationen/tuev-report/maeng... ?
- 23kj2oij23i3 3y agoHN, really??? TÜV is a german organization and they will post biased studies to show German cars as better ones. Real studies must come from politically neutral countries that doesn't have their own car production, like Belize, Singapore or Cape Verde.
- Giorgi 3y agoWait, where can I access the list? thanks
- seshagiric 3y agoMy experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What doesn't work: it's just one thing for me: you cannot trust Tesla: - Battery mileage. My model Y is supposed to give me 330miles on a full charge. For the recommended 80% charge it should be ~260 miles but in reality, I get 125 miles in winter and 200 miles in summer. - Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again. - For a 70K (model Y) car, it rattles, and they will charge 30$ to test for rattling. - I haven't faced them but I often read about poor quality issues like cracked roof, wheels falling off (yes !).
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 3y ago>Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again. Aren't all cars like that?
- code_runner 3y agoThey dropped the price of a new model a few times recently which meant used cars dropped that much more. I think that’s what is being referenced here. Otherwise, the (mostly) static nature of Tesla models kept the used Tesla market in decent shape
- seshagiric 3y agoYeah, say I brought the car for $70K. 2 weeks later Tesla reduced the price by $12K. So, it's now $58K, and then you add depreciation...If I were to sell the car today (within 1 year of buying) I'd be looking at $35-40K!
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- fancazzista 3y agoWell, at least the Dacia Logan parts are cheap as peanuts and readily available. Plus, the mechanics inside are simpler and you can find a repair shop pretty much everywhere.
- paganel 3y agoI think there’s also a reporting bias, for example I refuse to believe that Dacias have fewer nitpicks than Alfas, for example, it’s just that Alfa owners might be more ok with ignoring said nitpicks (ask me how I know, lol).
- faebi 3y agoMany of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the actual most common issues.
- fingerlocks 3y agoI don’t understand this. Brake rotors will flash rust in a light drizzle when parked. And rust on the rotors causes drag for the first few wheel rotations, it doesn’t compromise the system.
- legulere 3y agoOther car manufacturers have implemented occasional breaks using the breaking discs for years. I don’t know why it should be fine to not do that
- Sebb767 3y ago> Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Unless your inspector has a particularly bad day, you will not fail the inspection for this. They might also simply ask you to do a five minute drive and brake hard a few times. If the brakes are still in a safe condition, this should be sufficient.
- CraigJPerry 3y ago>> boil down to surface rust on the braking discs You don’t fail for surface rust, it’s not a check that’s done. You fail for dangerous imbalance of braking force. When the car is run on the drum roller (rolling road powers the cars wheels) and the inspector presses the brakes, the braking force applied by the car is measured. You get a fail if your braking performance is likely to unsettle the car in high braking force scenarios. Failing here is a real problem. It doesn’t warrant a dismissive surface rust claim. Tesla does already periodically apply brakes even when regen would be enough to keep on top of surface rust. Tesla even applies brakes when excess water is detected: “To ensure brakes remain responsive in cold and wet weather, Model 3 is equipped with brake disc wiping. When cold and wet weather is detected, this feature ...” This has been a common feature on many brands for around 10 years at this point.
- Sebb767 3y agoThere are a few important caveats here: TÜV is no longer the sole inspection authority and a lot of people and dealerships switched away from it, especially when they try to save money. This might favor cheaper brands in this statistic. Additionaly, a lot of the more expensive brands (like VW and BMW) will do the inspection as part of a regular service and inspect the car beforehand, making failures less likely.
- hef19898 3y agoSo, what you are saying is, that preventive maintenence results in safer cars? Who'd have guessed... Thing is so, while the ADAC reliability reports exclude brands running their "own" mobility services (often enough outsourced to ADAC, but that's a different story), TÜV data is neutral. And a statistically relevant sample, TÜV is still one of the biggest providers. It sure means that other brands, with better results, fix certain issues when the inspection is done after maintenance. Which means that Tesla has bad quality cars and bad maintenance plans.
- vardump 3y agoI think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection. That would certainly decrease inspection rejects. A great way to manipulate inspection statistics.
- hef19898 3y agoNo, a great way to maintain cars...
- martin8412 3y agoNo no, TÜV is TSLAQ! /s
- Sebb767 3y ago> I think what he is saying is that there's a dealership service visit immediately before an inspection. Exactly. A car brought to the inspection by the dealership will basically never fail it. And expensive luxury cars are far more likely to be serviced by a dealer. > A great way to manipulate inspection statistics. I don't think this is intentional, just a nice side effect. Mostly dealerships just make the most money by servicing cars.
- utybo 3y agoWeirdly enough, I've heard good things about Dacia's reliability specifically because they use old parts that are known to be reliable. I don't have first-hand experience though so maybe that's not true.
- throw_pm23 3y agoIt's probably true, and these tests are economic protectionism in disguise.
- fnord77 3y agoWhere's the actual list?
- ChumpGPT 3y agoThis whole article feels like it was written by a dealership garage publication. You must bring your car in for a 200 point inspection every 6 months so we can look at it and charge you $299.00. I not a Tesla fan boy or will every be a customer but I am sure their cars are more reliable than an ICE vehicle. Jay Leno speaks about how he has driven his Tesla for like 6 years and done absolutely nothing to it, not even brakes Electric Motors last a very long time and are extremely dependable, I have seen with my own eyes, electric motors that have been working for decades reliably with no breakdowns, 10's of 1000's of hours of service powering heavy conveyor belts. No ice engine could do that.
- martin8412 3y agoThe inspections are legally mandated every two years. The car must satisfy the requirements to pass or it won't be allowed on the roads. If the car is obviously not compliant, then you can be sent to extraordinary inspection even if you just passed. What a guy resident in California says could not be more irrelevant to vehicle inspections performed in Germany where the car is subjected to much worse weather + salt on the roads.
- fortran77 3y agoTesla really should have stayed "luxury" and branded the 3 as something else. "_Yearn_" or '_Strive_' or soemthing. They've cheapened the brand by trying to extend to the low end with the Tesla name.
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- throwaw33333434 3y agoI like how in German lists US car companies are near bottom, but in US lists it's the German brands.
- loud_cloud 3y agoMindful of German report on automotive.
- juanani 3y ago[dead]