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Shinzo Abe's Assassination
- bragr 3y agohttps://archive.ph/I3UcQ https://archive.ph/I3UcQ
- nijave 3y agoNot sure if it's just me but I routinely get stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today (like captcha button, get redirected back to same captcha page)
- haraldooo 3y agoIt’s the same for me
- lionsdan 3y agoThe same thing happened to me on a different article yesterday using Firefox. It worked using Edge.
- garciansmith 3y agoThere's a longstanding issue with using Cloudflare DNS. If you change Firefox's secure DNS provider settings to NextDNS the page loads without any captcha.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoThis is not the longstanding Cloudflare issue. That made Archive sties totally unreachable. This Captcha issue occurs with non-cloudflare resolvers as well, although with great inconsistency. It depends on the resolver and the user's location when they query. Results can change hours later.
- bombcar 3y agoChange DNS to not use Cloudflare.
- jyunwai 3y agoThis worked for me. I found that I changed my DNS server to Cloudflare with the AdGuard software installed on MacOS a while back (AdGuard > Preferences > DNS), and changing this to a different server fixed it. I also used the command `sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder` on Terminal (double-check this command before using) to flush the DNS cache, so the change would immediately take effect with the archive websites.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoThis is a separate issue from the previous Cloudflare issue and it manifests differently. Getting Captcha'd happens with non-cloudflare resolvers as well, tho not universally nor consistently. I forced all of Archive domains to query against Quad9 and started getting unskipable Captchas months ago - when I was local(US). When I placeshifted to overseas, Quad9 resolved to different IPs and those were usable.
- bombcar 3y agoThe technical reasons behind it are that the archive.today guy wants any takedown notices to be cross-border, so he wants to know what country you are in so he can redirect you to a server outside it. Cloudflare doesn't support a DNS extension that allows this (eDNS maybe?) and so it fails.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y agoCaptcha pages are being served at IPs that don't come from CloudFlare. ex: Users who exclusively resolve thru Quad9 are getting Captcha pages. Any inference that the Captcha issue is limited to CloudFlare users is incorrect.
- latchkey 3y agoSame with me for a few weeks now. Turned on my vpn and things worked. So the other suggestion to not use cloudflare dns is probably what is happening under the covers. Archive doesn't like CF at all.
- invisibel 3y agostuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today Their captcha page is odd, styled to look like Cloudflare's captcha gate but uses reCAPTCHA which Cloudflare publicly spoke about switching from. Code of the page also seems to include a strange XmlHttpRequest to some blog site with randomized query string (see end of https://pastebin.com/W21Au8RK https://pastebin.com/W21Au8RK), along with some fingerprint library (though commented out) That blog site loads very slow for me if I go there manually - maybe some kind of DoS being directed to it? Seen this same faux-cloudflare page used on btdig.com too, with the same strange XmlHttpRequest & fingerprint code, pretty weird.
- linusg789 3y agohttps://ghostarchive.org/archive/szzB2 https://ghostarchive.org/archive/szzB2
- anuraaga 3y agoIt's ok to flag this since it's not related to hacking and otherwise long and boring. Isn't it?
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- tpmx 3y ago> Religion, sigh. So, no, not all religions are violent and/or harmful. I've been an devout atheist since about the age of 10. That doesn't stop me from seeing that: a) some religions are relatively harmless and mostly helpful to their believers b) some religions are very destructive to everyone I don't think we should go much further from here.
- colinb 3y ago[flagged]
- User23 3y agoThe Soviet atheists absolutely took the cake for most murder by a religious faction. What you’re describing is a people problem, not a religion problem.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoNobel laureate Steven Weinberg has something to say about this. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."
- graphe 3y agoThe Chinese farmer story has something to say about it too. https://matterco.co/the-maybe-story/ https://matterco.co/the-maybe-story/ > One thing for sure is that life is uncertain. We never really know what situations may yield us—good, bad, or otherwise. Whatever happens in our life, we’ll never be sure of the consequences it may bring in the future.
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- philistine 3y agoIt’s crazy how the assassination and the public acceptance of the assassin’s goals sound like something out of Persona 5.
- udkl 3y agoYour comment reminded me of the excellent score in P5, and now it’s going to be stuck in my head for the next some days !
- dclowd9901 3y agoI was reading the article and it honestly sounded like the description of a movie or something. What a crazy development in that story.
- ls612 3y agoJapan is a strange place.
- capableweb 3y agoWhy is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of local public support.
- carlosdp 3y agoThe Castro example doesn't really fit here. That would be an assassination of a foreign national, not a domestic assassination like in Rabin's or Abe's.
- graphe 3y agoI agree. If Trump or Obama had been assassinated during their presidency, there would have been some support among the public, wide condemnation by the elites worried about their status and a news blackout on why the assassin may have been justified.
- mcpackieh 3y ago> "Eating raw tuna was still an exotic pursuit to Americans when Moon—the self-declared “king of the ocean”—began investing in shipyards in the late 1970s and sending his followers to sell door-to-door from refrigerated vans. True World Foods, a seafood company founded at Moon’s direction, controls a large share of the sushi trade, selling raw fish to thousands of restaurants across the United States and Canada." Huh
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- RunSet 3y ago> "Yamagami’s trial will offer Japan a chance to relive the entire drama. No date has been set as of this writing. Japanese prosecutors take their time, and for a man who has admitted to killing a former head of state, there may be pressure to apply the death penalty. If so, Yamagami will face an excruciating fate. Death-row prisoners in Japan are not told the date of their execution in advance. They wake up every morning not knowing if this day will be their last." Huh
- mcpackieh 3y agoI thought Japan only gave the death penalty to people who commit multiple murders, or tortured people to death.
- AndrewKemendo 3y agoMeta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1]https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...
- jasode 3y ago>Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering I don't have an opinion on it but Westerners unfamiliar with Asian naming conventions can get conflicting signals. Some famous Japanese names that are well-known to Western audiences are written "FirstName FamilyName" instead of "FamilyName FirstName": baseball star: Shohei Ohtani not Ohtani Shohei actor: Ken Watanabe not Watanabe Ken Maybe those 2 constantly try to correct every journalist but I'm assuming they don't.
- BonoboIO 3y agoSomebody should ask them. Would be interesting to hear if that’s an issue or nobody cares.
- spondylosaurus 3y agoQuite a few Japanese game developers style their names as <GivenName FamilyName> on social media when they're writing in English. Some examples that come to mind, going off of their Twitter accounts: * Masahiro Ito * Hideki Kamiya * Keita Takahashi
- stickfigure 3y agoThe article you linked explains exactly why the issue is complex/unsettled and "messing up" isn't really an appropriate term.
- nihonthrowaway 3y agoAs someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.
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- fatbird 3y agoThe comparison between South Korea and Israel isn't very strong. America fought the Korean War and still has 28,500 troops stationed there, along with a combined forces command. Some US soldiers are stationed right on the border with North Korea, just so that a North Korean invasion will kill Americans and immediately trigger an American response. Secondarily, securing Korea as a trading partner for Japan was an explicit part of US post-WW2 strategy, where Japan would be rebuilt as a bastion of the western world's economy, and having local trading partners strengthened that. South Korea has always had a deeply intertwined relationship with the US. When the Moonies showed up in the 70s/80s, there was no influence to buy. South Korea was already receiving all the support it could handle, and as a cult, the Moonies showed up at the tail end of a lot of 60s/70s spirituality that had already soured the American public on alternative religions. Whatever you think of the pro-Israel lobby, drawing to the Moonies doesn't really work.
- jacooper 3y agoAIPAC and Israel.
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- justinclift 3y agoLooks like another real life example of "When Justice fails, there's always Force". ;)
- WorkerBee28474 3y agoThe older I get, the more I believe Starship Troopers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyhfHQ_7Skg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyhfHQ_7Skg
- abecode 3y agoI went to a conference in Nara last year and at one of the receptions I told a Japanese attendee that I was sorry to hear about the assassination. I joked that my name is pronounced Abe like Abe Lincoln, not like Shinzo Abe. He kind of shrugged and said it would be kind of like if it had happened to Trump in the US, in that there were a lot of of people that didn't like him. The article makes it seem like people discovered about the cult connections after the fact. I wish I had known more about it to ask more questions. If anyone has more insight about it, I'd be glad to learn more. Ironically I was reading 1Q84 at the time, which is about a cult in Japan.
- tjpnz 3y agoThe cult connections weren't widely known by the public prior. His assassin opened up a giant can of worms with the Reunification Church still discussed on the nightly news to this day. Last I heard the government is getting ready to ban them like they did Aum Shinrikyo. The whole thing has tarnished Abe's legacy, that and his expensive state funeral which pissed off a good chunk of the public.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoIt is an ongoing issue and point of discussion/conflict with the public, with lots and lots of message management and incremental “progress”. There is some policy reform and push for more to be done. Doesn’t seem like much power has actually been purged of its accomplices tho kishida public support is very low I wouldn’t be surprised if it recovers whenever he’s replaced within his party politics is a losing game when the public buys into its machinations and scheming against their interests
- Aeolun 3y agoI feel like the public in Japan can get upset about the weirdest things though. Everyone loses their minds over the princess leaving the imperial family getting a 1M departure gift, and a funeral for the single most significant PM of our time that cost ten million dollars. Meanwhile, everything has gotten 10% more expensive over the past year or so, which is actually worth getting upset about, compared to the 0.01 yen that the Abe funeral cost each Japanese citizen.
- graphe 3y agoThe sushi trade is unable to be separated from the moonies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sushi-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/magazine/sush... that will be Moon's legacy I know from personal experience that many Koreans who own sushi restaurants are part of this cult, they knew each other at church all donated a lot and the only reason I know is that my friend dated a girl whose parents were part of it.
- AniseAbyss 3y agoThe CIA involvement in spreading Christianity through Asia is not something that is talked about enough. It reminded me of the Bene Gesserit.
- cool_dude85 3y agoDo you have a book rec on this? The story I always heard about Korea specifically was a lot of missionary organizations being there during and after the war and genuinely offering a lot of support.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoHow are moonie member owners to their workers?
- graphe 3y agoI think the ones I saw recently were all members of the cult. They're overly religious and their family and children are often working there, children hate it and the cult. They try to keep costs low, donations from their work high, and it seems to function efficiently with a religious fevor. I've never seen much excess use of money from sushi restaurants. Haven't been to a chick fil a in a while but maybe like that culture but less friendly, all family and they're thinking of more efficient ways to donate. Many sell merchandise and try to sell lots of high profit goods. I'm sorry if this isn't a good answer. Edit: I forgot about a sandwich shop (the yellow deli) I've heard that is always open that is a cult. I never been but it sounds a lot closer to this cult except they seen to recruit more and focus on cute receptionists girls working at the counters.
- treme 3y agoIt's fascinating to me that moonies managed to have Abe & Trump speak at their event for millions. Probably one of most fascinating political cults of modern times.
- throwaway128128 3y agoThe Moonies have woven themselves into the American right wing for decades. Reagan said the Washington Times, which is an organ of the Unification Church, was his favorite newspaper. You can see Falun Gong attempting the same in the United States. The Epoch Times is Falun Gong's "media outlet" and it sponsors and shapes a lot of content online. It's all bankrolled by Shen Yun performances too. These rabbit holes go to strange places!
- api 3y agoLately I’ve seen tons and tons of anti trans content that actually says sponsored by the Epoch Times. I’ve see it on Facebook and Xitter. I don’t get why that issue is so important to them. Maybe scaring people about trans people is just broadly working. Gotta fear monger or people might notice that most of our candidates are incompetent. Republicans are unelectable without scaring people about LGBT people and immigrants, while Democrats are unelectable without scaring people about Republicans. That seems to be the dynamic right now.
- throwaway128128 3y agoSimple: grifting. Influence is what's important to them. They tap into wellsprings of conservative grievance to increase media outreach. They became antivax when antivax sentiment went up, they're here for the trans freakout, and they'll surely work to be in place for the next hot button issue, too.
- graphe 3y agoWhat content are you seeing? I've never seen those.
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- BlueTemplar 3y ago> A third son, Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon, founded a separate, gun-centered church in Pennsylvania known as Rod of Iron Ministries, where followers do target practice with AR-15s and bring guns to church to be blessed. Hyung Jin wears a golden crown made of rifle shells, and delivers hate-filled sermons against the Democratic Party. He also expects to become the king of America. He reviles his mother—who runs the international church in South Korea—as the “whore of Babylon.” Please wake me up, I must have fallen asleep in front of a South Park episode...
- iamcreasy 3y agoNowadays I find Onion more coherent and pacifying news source than the traditional ones.
- 7thaccount 3y agoThere's an American Gods episode like that where Vulcan hangs out.
- defen 3y agoAnother son (Justin) owns a small arms manufacturer (Kahr Arms)
- strikelaserclaw 3y agoThats an industrious family.
- pmarreck 3y agoI had a kid 2 years ago and that's the only excuse I have for somehow having not heard of this news (or it simply slipped through my sleep deprived memory). Wow. I thought for a second this was about the Inejiro Asanuma assassination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Inejir%C5%8D_Asanuma#/media/File:Tokyo_Stabbing.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Inejir%C5%8D_... but... wow. Homemade gun? I guess someone sufficiently motivated will figure out a way to kill someone at range even with strict gun controls...
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- t0bia_s 3y agoIsn’t that topic too political and should be flagged? I'm trying to be oriented here. Some others submissions, ie about freedom of speech, are flagged. I wish there is some explanation for flagged submissions.
- cyber_kinetist 3y agoFrom the HN Guidelines about what constitute as a valid post: > anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Given that the article is quite descriptive and well-researched, the comment section is civil, and lead to many interesting discussions about politics and history, I would say that there is no need to flag this post.
- asimovfan 3y agoBasically an anime plot.
- 1letterunixname 3y ago20 years ago, the Moonies sent out (and maybe still does) young, impoverished, probably easily influenced Koreans to American university campuses every now and then to extract money from college students using a clipboard-based montage of depressing photos. They also have/had ties with the Bush family. Also, they own the News World Communications, UPI, and the Washington Times. Just think s/Moonies/Korean Scientology/. Media ownership not to be confused with The Epoch Times owned by s/Falun Gong/Chinese Scientology/.