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DALL·E 3

704 points by davidbarker 3y ago

skepticATX 3y ago
The spoon is writing on the back of a clipboard.
mjirv 3y ago
Interesting that they don't have the watermark on the "DALL-E 3" images.
- andrewroth1 3y ago
  why do you think this is?
  - minimaxir 3y ago
    There's probably no point in terms of a watermark's goals. Additionally, since OpenAI is asserting no rights over the image, a watermark would be inappropriate.
    - andrewroth1 3y ago
      Makes sense
- _bramses 3y ago
  Thats the case now too if you use the API and not the labs version
- hughlomas 3y ago
  Perhaps they use some form of steganography.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  Why would you expect one? I don't think I've heard of any AI image generators placing a watermark.
  - jamilton 3y ago
    v2 has a watermark in the lower right corner of every image.
reqo 3y ago
>DALL·E 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API Does this mean that ChatGPT plus price will increase? Otherwise the value you will get for the subscription is crazy!
- virgildotcodes 3y ago
  Via api, I take that to mean we’d pay per call, just get earlier access than non-plus/enterprise customers. I could be wrong though.
Der_Einzige 3y ago
Very unlikely to be better than SDXL combined with its rich ecosystem of loras, controlnets, and other custom content in WebUIs like Automatic1111 or comfyUI and their extensions. Would love to be proven wrong!
- KerryJones 3y ago
  Is your hypothesis that DALL-E 3 won't be using additional methods? Or what do you consider "better" -- I agree Automatic1111 and comfyUI make SDXL great for home use, but it feels a bit like an argument of PC vs Mac, where OpenAI is providing the Mac experience (polished, instantly easy to use) while PC offers more customization and nitty gritty.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > but it feels a bit like an argument of PC vs Mac, where OpenAI is providing the Mac experience (polished, instantly easy to use) while PC offers more customization and nitty gritty. 1984, the year the Mac was introduced (and when the more customizable, nitty-gritty Apple II series was their main seller) was also Apple’s all time peak in share of the personal computer market in terms of units sold. So…yeah, I think the comparison is apt, but maybe not in the way you think it is.
- redox99 3y ago
  MJ is already better than SDXL if you don't need any of the tools that SDXL has and MJ doesn't. So it isn't that hard to imagine Dalle 3 being better than SDXL.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > > Very unlikely to be better than SDXL combined with its rich ecosystem […] > MJ is already better than SDXL if you don’t need any of the [elements of the rich ecosystem beyond the base models] Yeah, I think you kind of missed the point there. (Also, not convinced you are right even there, MJ seems to be much worse at prompt-following than base SDXL model, and on other qualities in the range where subjective opinions are going to vary considerably on which is better, judging from the head-to-head comparisons with prompts I’ve seen, largely from people claiming that MJ is better so presumably not trying to subtly favor SDXL in the construction of the comparisons. Because of the ecosystem, its been a long time since I found MJ more useful than even SD 1.5-based toolsets.)
foobaw 3y ago
I wonder how comparable this will be to MidJourney and I'm excited to try it out.
- scrapcode 3y ago
  One thing I immediately noticed was the text, which doesn't seem to be something I can get MidJourney to do.
  - quaintdev 3y ago
    If you want text, checkout https://ideogram.ai https://ideogram.ai The quality is good and is free currently.
  - ehsankia 3y ago
    There's only a small handful of examples, which very well could be cherrypicked, but yes I am excited about text, that's one thing most models struggle at currently.
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- starshadowx2 3y ago
  Pedantic but FYI the J isn't capitalised, it's just Midjourney.
- cubefox 3y ago
  The cartoon with the text wouldn't be possible in Midjourney. Also Dall-E 3 seems to have very good text comprehension, which was an area where Dall-E was always relatively good at compared to other models with better image quality.
gumballindie 3y ago
Have they removed copyrighted "training" material or are they still relying on people's hard work which they "learned from" without consent and are selling without permission?
- simonw 3y ago
  OpenAI license image data from Shutterstock, so it's possible that this is trained entirely on licensed images. https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release-details/shutterstock-expands-partnership-openai-signs-new-six-year https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release... More transparency about the training data, as always, would be greatly appreciated.
- rusk 3y ago
  > without permission or attribution even
- deleted 3y ago
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- raytopia 3y ago
  They haven't. Probably one reason Adobe's AI will beat them out long term. Also another thing that's been on my mind is I wonder if all this AI generation stuff could cause a Games Industry style crash where due to such a over saturation of highly advertised but meaningless/worthless AI content consumers lose interest and stop spending money in different respective industries (books, ganes, films, digital art, music, etc.) and then they crash.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    I am not aware of a games industry crash, it would appear that gaming is an industry larger than all other forms of art combined. But indeed niches that are saturated by enshitified content have almost crashed and I get your point. I suppose the average will turn even more average and indeed people will stop spending money on it. AI being a statistical machine it will excell at making whatever is common and plenty and as such those industries will suffer even more. Average music, content writing, drawings, etc, will drop to near zero value, that's guranteed.
valyagolev 3y ago
what does being 'built on chatgpt' means? does it mean they use gpt3.5 embeddings? or is it a simple plugin?
- LordShredda 3y ago
  Marketing I suppose.
- Zetobal 3y ago
  Every transformer model uses a small/tiny llm (CLIP, OpenCLIP, BLIP2, FLAMINGO) as their text encoder and I guess they use gpt 3.5 for theirs.
  - valyagolev 3y ago
    even the first version was described by them as gpt: "DALL·E is a 12-billion parameter version of GPT-3", but i am not sure it's the GPT-3 that we know (as trained on all the stuff), but rather like, same/similar architecture? and in other places they mention CLIP as a part of the model (I'm talking about the first version)? all of this is quite confusing for me, and leaves me wondering, if this is simply "same architecture" or "reuse of embeddings" or "use in training" or "fine-tuning", especially for the exciting new version
- reqo 3y ago
  It means that ChatGPT will be used to optimize your prompts before they are used in DALL-E 3!
- gzer0 3y ago
  DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT Plus users will be able to directly create images within the ChatGPT web interface.
- BytesAndGears 3y ago
  The subheading says: > When prompted with an idea, ChatGPT will automatically generate tailored, detailed prompts for DALL-E 3 Then there’s a video of someone typing into ChatGPT and it responding with images
rmorey 3y ago
looks amazing, the text generation looks really great
cryptoz 3y ago
Ooooh exciting ! Been using DALL-E 2 to generate space images every 30 mins from prompts generated by GPT-4; and I've noticed the DALL-E output is so dramatically worse and more constrained than MJ (no API though) or SD (which I'm not running locally yet). Been sad at the image quality and was just wondering this week when DALL-E 3! You can see it at https://cosmictrip.space https://cosmictrip.space (and coming soon is an adventure game series backed by DALL-E and GPT-4)
- isoprophlex 3y ago
  Interesting idea, i love it! If you want to self-host, check out comfyui. It is a breeze to install, and offers an api for headless interactions. On my 5 year old i7 NUC it produces a 1024x1024 image (cpu only! no gpu needed) in around 20 mins using the SDXL model.
  - cryptoz 3y ago
    I haven't heard of comfyui yet but a simple install with a headless API and ability to run on my linode (hopefully..!) without a gpu is all I really need to kickstart the local-running plan. Intersting, will check that out, thanks! And thanks for the kind words as well, glad you love the idea haha!
    - isoprophlex 3y ago
      Good luck! Dunno if linode will cut it, my box has 6 cores and 32 gbs of RAM; it's a pretty resource heavy tool... but yeah if you are okay with >10 minute generation times this is a very cost effective solution.
- aloer 3y ago
  I like that pixelated stuff. Wonder if DALL-E itself counts as a forbidden living artist or if soon we will „generate x in the style of DALL-E 2“
tysam_and 3y ago
And another round of races commences! Some folks seem to have some strong ire towards OpenAI (maybe a bit less recently), but for one, they seem to do a really, really, _really_ good job at making themselves "the benchmark to beat" for certain things, and in doing that, I think they really seem to push the field quite far forward. <3 :'))))
- unnouinceput 3y ago
  >Some folks seem to have some strong ire towards OpenAI... Yes, they should. OpenAI IS Microsoft, never forget this. Any old timer like myself remembers the crap Microsoft pulled in 90's. And nowadays they still would do the same (and in background sometime they still do it) if they would lead in those areas. I have no love towards FB/Zucky boi, but the move to make LLAMA free is a good one. Hopefully another leak comes from inside OpenAI and we get access to everything.
  - yunwal 3y ago
    Not even in the background. In order to use BingGPT you have to use the edge browser (there are ways around this but they are not obvious to a nontechnical user). What could possibly be the reason for that besides anticompetitive behavior?
  - flir 3y ago
    > I have no love towards FB/Zucky boi, but the move to make LLAMA free is a good one. I think that might be a bit "enemy of my enemy". Remember "commoditize your complement"? Not that I'm averse to the tech giants forcing each other into a race to the bottom.
- jprete 3y ago
  I dislike OpenAI because they were founded to work on AI safety, and the most anti-safety thing you can possibly do is encourage competition over AI capabilities, which is exactly what they are doing over and over again.
  - astrange 3y ago
ctoth 3y ago
> DALL·E 3 is designed to decline requests that ask for an image in the style of a living artist. There can be only one! This seems weird to me, but I admit I'm about as far from an artistic person as it is possible to be. I understand why it was done (people kept asking for pictures in the style of that one dude and they were better and he hated it) but it still just seems strange.
- nwoli 3y ago
  Also weird since chatgpt is more than willing to do it
- gumballindie 3y ago
  They want to make it less obvious that they've stolen people's content. That's what these procedural images are based on. Loads and loads of content taken from people for free.
  - ctoth 3y ago
    > Loads and loads of content taken from people for free. The content that the people themselves posted to the Internet? I'm pretty sure that OpenAI didn't break into any artist's studios and steal anything.
    - gumballindie 3y ago
      If I wear my wallet out in the open does that mean it's ok for you to steal it? Or if I expose my painting in a museum is it ok to copy and resell it? People that used to steal software used to claim that they just made a copy, they didn't steal a car. Yet somehow corporations prevented them from making said copies. Now we see people are taking the side of corporations stealing people's content. The content that they themselves don't want to be stolen. Weird world, and the markets are clearly irrational. This IP theft will backfire and it will be glorious.
      - runj__ 3y ago
carlosrdrz 3y ago
Funny how they say: "Creators can now also opt their images out from training of our future image generation models." and then the link is just a form to submit a single image at a time. They mention you can disallow GPTBot on your site, sure, but even if you do, what happens if the Bot already scraped your image? In any case, probably other people would just publish your picture in some other website that does not disallow GPTBot anyway.
quenix 3y ago
Reading about advances in AI art is always bittersweet. Generative text-to-image systems have come very far in the past 2 years. Impressively so. Frankly, I am in awe at the (cherrypicked!) outputs on this page. Years on, it's still a little hard to fully grasp the imminent, momentous impact this (has yet to have?) on commercial artists. I fear it will become pretty much impossible to make any sort of living off art in the next decade. I mean: the outputs on the page are just awesome. Leagues ahead of the stuff we have now. And I'm already seeing old-gen generated AI images on corporate blog posts—everyone will jump on DALL-E 3. Being in the profession right now must be very discouraging indeed. My heart goes out to those artists who will eventually be replaced by cheap, intuitive text prompts. Commercialising art for corps was one of the last ways to exist as an artist in today's economy and get by. I fear the extinction of the profession will have a big impact on our cultural capital.
- raytopia 3y ago
  Luckily AI art will most likely be in the public domain so artists will probably always be involved but you'll become some editing cog in a machine trying to change a piece of ai art enough that it becomes copyrightable.
- rusk 3y ago
  My guess is this will devalue art overall. That is indeed momentous it’s been a corner stone of modern culture for about 500 years. What does a world without art look like. Does a new form of “art” evolve that makes use of these seemingly omnipotent brushes?
  - quenix 3y ago
    Sadly, I feel it has already started to devalue art. I find myself unironically wondering whether some pieces are AI-generated on my feed. When I can't tell, I mentally devalue the image. I'm becoming more and more redpilled on the generative art stuff. The risk-benefit analysis checks out in favour of LLMs, but maybe art is something we can keep our Markov chains off of.
  - reidjs 3y ago
Eliezer 3y ago
I see they're continuing the campaign to make people dislike something called "AI safety" by redefining it as corporate prudery.
- mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  This hijacking of the term really bugs me. As though The Terminator himself would have been "safe" if only he didn't speak cursewords to his neighbour.
  - roywiggins 3y ago
    I think they've just redefined "AI safety" as an analogue of "brand safety." To corporations, that's what safety means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety
    - mitthrowaway2 3y ago
      When car companies talk about safety, they mean the car is unlikely to kill its occupants, rather than that the stereo plays only unoffensive music to protect the brand. AI safety is a thing apart from brand safety, and OpenAI would be well aware of this, just like GM is aware of what crash safety means.
      - roywiggins 3y ago
        > they mean the car is unlikely to kill its occupants, rather than that the stereo plays only unoffensive music to protect the brand Right, so in that case the occupants are their customers, and they're hopefully protecting them from harm. They're not optimizing for, say, pedestrian safety[0]. In this case, OpenAI's customers are other companies, and they're keeping them from harm, and the number one harm that companies are worried about re: AI is "what if we deploy an AI tool and it generates nudity etc that damages the bottom line." I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it seems to describe the situation as it is, doesn't it? [0] https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/blind-spots-on-pickup-trucks-are-killing-pedestrians-says-consumer-reports https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/blind-spots-on-pick...
nwoli 3y ago
Can’t really beat SDXL with loras, but glad they’re still advancing the tech
- mcbuilder 3y ago
  There is no paper, so no technical detail about the model. Yeah this is very different than the SDXL world, where you are much more in control. Too bad, since there might be some interesting advances (the way the model follows the prompts better for instance), but OpenAI is continuing to advance the tech behind closed doors.
gzer0 3y ago
The reason that this will be a good product is that it is accessible natively within the chatgpt interface. In addition, having access to a library of prompts, and being able to produce, create, and store images within the web interface will unlock this type of generative ai for images to many more people. Compare this to the midjourney way, in which users must not only sign up, they have to use a discord bot (not saying this is hard, but more so, a larger barrier to entry). Native integration will mean instant adoption by millions on day 1.
nextworddev 3y ago
Thoughts: - ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge (ChatGPT Plus and enterprise integrations coming in October). This may severely thwart Midjourney and a whole bunch other text-to-image SaaS companies, leaving them only available to focus on NSFW use cases. - Quality looks comparable to Midjourney - but Midjourney has other useful features like upscaling, creating multiple variations, etc. Will DallE3 keep up, UX wise? - I absolutely prefer ChatGPT over Discord as the UI, so UI-wise I prefer this.
- brianjking 3y ago
  Dall-e 2 had variations, inpainting, etc well before Midjourney. However, I 100% agree that it's going to be interesting to see who and what wins this race.
  - rvz 3y ago
    Stability AI with Stable Diffusion is already at the finish line in this race, by being $0, open source and not being exclusively a cloud-based AI model and can be used offline. Anything else that is 'open source' AI and allows on-device AI systems eventually brings the cost to $0.
    - junipertea 3y ago
      unless it's way worse
      - shmoogy 3y ago
        SDXL and older models are quite good. It's not yet very user friendly but will get there.
    - Karunamon 3y ago
      That's a different race entirely; most people don't even have the hardware, let alone the knowledge to run SD.
    - chankstein38 3y ago
V__ 3y ago
> DALL·E 3 is designed to decline requests that ask for an image in the style of a living artist. > Creators can now also opt their images out from training of our future image generation models. So this version was again trained (without permission) on copyrighted work. And they try to shift the burden onto artists to manually opt out. Aren't they afraid some court might, at some point, force them to pay each artist back a fee for each generated image?
- Horffupolde 3y ago
  It’s a price they are willing to pay.
- jdminhbg 3y ago
  > So this version was again trained (without permission) on copyrighted work. So am I!
  - smallerfish 3y ago
    How do we access your brain's API for fractions of a cent? I've got $100 ready to go!
    - jdminhbg 3y ago
      $100 grants you continuous access to my higher-level functions for about half an hour. Inquire within!
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      The usual way. Send me a check every couple of weeks, and a 1099 at the end of the tax year.
  - amelius 3y ago
    Except you were actually trained, while the AI applied some form of computation that we (perhaps opportunistically) call "training" but it isn't really the same thing. You can't win in court just by naming things the same.
prvc 3y ago
As an isolated image, I prefer the Dall-E 2 sample (of the basketball player) to all the others on that page, aesthetically. Due perhaps to having used a more fine-art-heavy training corpus, or a less specific correspondence to prompts?
- binarymax 3y ago
  I appreciate your preference (I like things heaver on impressionism too), but I don't think it's due to the corpus but rather the model capability. DALL-E 2 is just behind in capability. Of course we won't know until October but I suspect you could prompt v3 to get a style closer to v2 if you wanted.
- dinkblam 3y ago
  agreed. the new version (which they obviously view as so much better that this is their one "we made improvements" sample) is just repugnant
  - timeon 3y ago
    reminds me kitsch
- ricree 3y ago
  Artistic preference aside, the Dall-E 3 version definitely follows the prompt closer (in the it shows someone dunking a ball).
  - pastor_bob 3y ago
    it looks less like an 'oil painting' though. Looks to me like one of those stencil, spray-painted images you see people selling at tourist attractions. Perhaps the Dall-E 2 unintentionally got that better.
  - prvc 3y ago
    That's part of my point. It better reflects the banal concept expressed by the prompt.
binarymax 3y ago
Nice to see OpenAI catching up to Midjourney. It's been interesting to see how good Midjourney is compared to DALL-E and StableDiffusion. There has been a wide gap in quality for awhile now.
- dinkblam 3y ago
  can midjourney be used without that propriety and inappropriate "discord" interface?
  - ehsankia 3y ago
    Not yet, but from the news I've heard of Version 6, that is the plan. They're working on a big website update and at first they will allow the use of both, and over time I think the plan is to build new features for the website UI only. That's because they're running into major limitations with Discord when it comes to more advanced stuff like region painting and so on.
  - bradly 3y ago
    That was one of the weirdest experience I've had on the web in a long time.
- saberience 3y ago
  I think it’s more subjective than that. For me the Stable Diffusion experience is far ahead of Midjourney. Running it locally, hundreds of custom models online for any kind of image you want, controlnet, plus it’s free. The open source community is pushing forward SD forward far faster than Midjourney is improving.
minimaxir 3y ago
Given the bullet point of "DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT" and the tight integration between ChatGPT and the corresponding image generation (and no research paper released with the announcement), I strongly suspect that DALL-E 3 is a trial run of GPT-4 multimodal capabilities and may be run on a similar infrastructure.
- ekam 3y ago
  The art produced by GPT-4 so far hasn't been at this level but this may be a newer version. See: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf
- cubefox 3y ago
  GPT-4 can only do text-to-text and image-to-text. It can't generate images itself. So it will simply use an API call. Really nothing special, Bing does the same thing.
TheRealHB 3y ago
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diarrhea 3y ago
> As with DALL·E 2, the images you create with DALL·E 3 are yours to use and you don't need our permission to reprint, sell or merchandise them How generous.
- amelius 3y ago
  What if you type "Buzz Lightyear from Disney's Toy Story"?
  - livrem 3y ago
    You get an image that is yours, that you do not need permission from OpenAI to do anything you want with. (Fine print: But you definitely need permission from Disney to use it.)
    - amelius 3y ago
      Ok, if I type "toy astronaut", how am I supposed to know if/when it produces a Disney character?
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  - twostorytower 3y ago
    You might need Disney's permission but you don't need OpenAI's (or rather...it wouldn't help you regardless).
CuriouslyC 3y ago
This does look like it might be a real threat to Midjourney, but isn't going to dethrone Stable Diffusion. I'm guessing prompt adherence will be excellent, but the lack of customizability and the art style gimping are going to limit is use greatly. People are going to use producing base images using Dall-E 3 to get composition, then run them through Stable Diffusion for style/upscaling/details.
- boppo1 3y ago
  Why isn't this a threat to Stable Diffusion? I see more super high quality stuff from midjourney that I struggle to ID as generated than I do SD.
  - KeplerBoy 3y ago
    Because SD runs locally and produces the kind of content people want.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      true, fortunately there are many more things to create than nudity, sexually explicit, and political figures “so for everything else, there’s Midjourney”
      - saberience 3y ago
        SD is also free and there are custom models for anything you want whether it’s creating landscapes or anime waifus. And those specific models are better than the general model that Midjourney uses which is “good enough” at everything.
        cooper_ganglia 3y ago
        Not only does it have custom models, you can train your own custom model. This is a big deal for many workflows that Midjourney and DALL-E just can’t accommodate (at least for now!).
karmasimida 3y ago
The hands fidelity seems impressive. Any ideas how this is comparing to latest stability model?
- ehsankia 3y ago
  I feel like MidJourney has already almost mastered hands. The one thing I definitely wan to see more of is Text. There's one image with "Explore Venus", and in the video, the hedgehog has a mailbox with Larry on it. Both of those look good, but obviously super cherry picked.
- speedgoose 3y ago
  SDXL 1.0 still produces quite a lot of terrible hands, but fine ones too. If a picture is great except the hands and some other details, inpainting can be used as a workaround. Also, cherry picked examples from Dall-e 3 may not be representative of the average output. Like some SD 1.5 models may look amazing on civitai or reddit, but you soon realise that they are terrible on average and overfitted to very specific kind of pictures and characters.
- pierrec 3y ago
  Really? On their large, featured image, the female character's left hand seems to be two deformed blobs sneaking behind her other arm, while the male character's left forearm seems twice as long as it should be, eventually merging with the countertop.
  - jamilton 3y ago
    Yeah, I was surprised how "ai blobby" that image was. Guess it makes the rest of the page seem less cherry-picked? Maybe there's a trade-off in "have lots of little details" and "have uniform good quality"?
  - karmasimida 3y ago
    Oh that is a good callout, I wasn't even thinking that is a hand in the first place
meetpateltech 3y ago
When MidJourney releases the web version and API, competition with OpenAI DALL-E's will be intense!
suyash 3y ago
"Credits" couldn't have been more ironic, looks like name of every possible person at the company got a mention except for the real artists upon whose data their Generative AI is working.
Kiro 3y ago
> DALL·E 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API, and in Labs later this fall. What does this mean? How do you use ChatGPT Plus through the API?
- minimaxir 3y ago
  The antecedent is "Enterprise customers".
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  - Kiro 3y ago
    When searching for OpenAI and Enterprise I only find ChatGPT Enterprise. Does that mean they have a separate API that is not in the regular OpenAI API?
    - nvm0n2 3y ago
      No, they mean they think of the API as being used only by companies. Which is probably true, overall.
keiferski 3y ago
I have been creating a large number of Midjourney images for a project recently, and it’s made me remember/realize something that I think the AI Art doomsayers seem to not understand: the importance of curation. A quick glance at /r/Midjourney or even the images featured in DALLE link above shows how boring the “default result” is when using a generator. While it may be easier to create images, you still need some artistic sense and skills to figure out which ones are appealing. In the bigger picture I think this basically means that illustration-type art will become more of a curatorial activity, in which being able to filter through masses of images becomes the predominant skill needed.
- mrweiner 3y ago
  I’m not terribly familiar with the text to image tools, but you can provide source images as baseline, right? I’d wager that if you’re able to create a baseline image to feed in, your results will be better. The better the input, the better the output. It definitely feels like a situation where artists who can leverage ai will be the ones pulling ahead in the commercial sector.
  - keiferski 3y ago
    It doesn’t really work that way. Yes, you can use images as a source, but they are more just mined for “pieces” to rearrange, not overall aesthetic effects.
    - astrange 3y ago
      You can do it with ControlNet guidance for SD.
    - minimaxir 3y ago
      That is not how image-to-image approaches work. ControlNet is a obvious counterexample. If you think "diffusion is just collaging", upload a control image using this space that cannot exist in the source dataset (e.g. a personal sketch) and generate your own image: https://huggingface.co/spaces/AP123/IllusionDiffusion https://huggingface.co/spaces/AP123/IllusionDiffusion
amelius 3y ago
Never felt so far removed from being an actual artist ...
TheCaptain4815 3y ago
Very excited to try the text fix feature! Anyone have any tips on getting beta access to these models earlier? I've been in GPT3 beta since June 2021, and I was only ever able to get Codex early.
gsuuon 3y ago
It can generate readable text based on the prompt! Has that been possible before?
p1esk 3y ago
Not only there’s no model weights or code released, there’s not even a paper. Nothing is revealed about the model. “OpenAI”, ladies and gentlemen.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
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- 0xDEF 3y ago
  Has anyone who funded OpenAI back in 2015 spoken out against their non-openness? Elon Musk only did after he no longer had a stake in it. Edit: OpenAI is a corporation and their stakeholders include Microsoft, Peter Thiel, and Infosys. Yeah, not really surprising that they are not "Open".
  - jprete 3y ago
    I think I remember there being an organizational structure where the outer organization was a non-profit and they separated out what is now OpenAI into a for-profit subsidiary with a profit cap of 100x investment. I still can't believe such a deal is legal.
- suyash 3y ago
  Joke's on you pal if you're still expecting that from 'OpenAI' :/
- benatkin 3y ago
  At first I thought of it as Open(Web|Source|File Format|StreetMap|etc), now I group it with OpenTable. Also at first this objection really resonated with me. I think the meaning of OpenAI has spread pretty well now, and that it's getting to the point where raising this objection is tiresome. There is an important point to be made about how it got popularized as being open and then they went and closed it while keeping the momentum, but that should be made instead of just saying, "wait, it's called OpenAI but isn't open?!?!" However, stuff gets started as an open play all the time and gets closed, without open in the brand name, for instance https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ - hence the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing
codetrotter 3y ago
Anyone else noticed the Venus poster having actually legible text? That’s very cool. Previously I’ve only ever seen generated images having garbled text.
- zoba 3y ago
  This was the most exciting part to me.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  Almost! The subtext is still in a dreamstate
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  I asked DALL-E 2 for several pictures of "DO NOT ENTER" signs and a few of them had signs that said "DO ENTER".
- sterlind 3y ago
  I'm surprised Stable Diffusion and others haven't cracked legible text by now. OCR has been solved for decades now, surely they could include some OCR term in the loss function while training it?
LeonM 3y ago
I tried watching the video of Dall-E in ChatGPT (with the thumbnail of "my 5 year-old keeps talking about a"), but it is giving an error "sorry, this video does not exist". Anyone else having trouble watching the video?
- kristofferR 3y ago
  https://player.vimeo.com/video/866470243 https://player.vimeo.com/video/866470243
yieldcrv 3y ago
> DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT, which lets you use ChatGPT as a brainstorming partner and refiner of your prompts. Nice! I teach ChatGPT on midjourney’s documentation and it gives me great prompts on my loose ideas This follows that concept
bane 3y ago
You know, I've been trying to use some of these new generative AI and LLM models and I think I'm sort of reflecting off of them. I've gotten a few good things out chatGPT in terms of writing advice and such, but I find the generative art bits really frustrating, and typing in long prompts to be also kind of not worth the effort, I can usually just make what I want in less time than it takes to refine my prompts down. However...I'm a very visual thinker, when I'm thinking or speaking, I often see images in my head of what I'm trying to convey. I wonder if aligning ChatGPT and DALL-E or something similar so that I can "see" an image of what the computer is saying as well as the text might be a great next step towards making me feel more engaged with the technology. That and native speech to text would be nice so I can just talk at it and have it just sitting on the side as a helper-bot instead of being the main point of my focus while I work on or do other things.
- jonplackett 3y ago
  I’m also excited if they can make an image generator you can chat to and iterate. That would be awesome. You might know Thai already but have you tried using ControlNet to make images with stable diffusion? It allows you to input an image that it follows along with the prompt, and there’s a bunch of ways to influence it. You can even give it a hand drawn sketch. Or have it pick out position of limbs, or use the edges of objects and keep those. If you have something specific you want to create then it’s amazingly helpful. The only easy to use site I know of that offers it is happyaccidents.ai (or you can run yourself if you have SD installed)
  - bane 3y ago
    Thanks for the tip! I'll be checking it out. This conversation reminds me of the old Star Trek:The Next Generation episodes in the Holodeck, only they're talking to "the computer" to iterate on a holodeck scenario design. https://youtu.be/vaUuE582vq8 https://youtu.be/vaUuE582vq8 https://youtu.be/NXX0dKw4SjI https://youtu.be/NXX0dKw4SjI
  - mcintyre1994 3y ago
    It's quite a bit more narrow, but FusionAI is a really cool example of this too! https://www.producthunt.com/posts/fusionart-ai https://www.producthunt.com/posts/fusionart-ai
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alphabetting 3y ago
Is this the first time OpenAI has had a big announcement like this without it actually being released? Normally they tend to ship when they announce.
- hmottestad 3y ago
  I actually bought credits with DALL-E only to be disappointed by the results, because there isn't a version 3 available. They honestly could have just waited to announce this until it was actually released!
paxys 3y ago
Can it draw hands yet?
- tommek4077 3y ago
  Hands are a more or less solved problem. At least in midjourney.
kyriakos 3y ago
Never understood how blocking adult content generation is considered safety.
- datagram 3y ago
  I assume it's to stop people from generating revenge porn.
  - kyriakos 3y ago
    I am not familiar enough with current dall-e, would I be able to upload a photo of someone and ask it to turn it into adult imagery if this restriction wasn't there?
    - moyix 3y ago
      Yes. Inpainting lets you erase part of an image and have the AI model fill it in based on your prompt.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        This would only justify blocking nudity for inpainting.
  - polski-g 3y ago
    That is not what revenge porn is. This is de novo artwork.
    - avisser 3y ago
      This feels like semantics. If I create use SD/Dall-E and create a comprimising image of a woman I know, and I release it, what difference does it make if it's a photo or generated? Especially as tech gets better and it's hard to tell at a glance whether or not it's a fake.
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unshavedyak 3y ago
Wonder if the cost is prohibitive enough that casual users (like myself) would benefit from a ChatGPT Plus subscription style service. I'd love to see some basic usage included in my GPT+ sub edit: Welll... they say "Try ChatGPT (DALL·E 3 coming soon!)" ... if they are including some DALLE usage in GPT i'm going to resub instantly. So huge.
vander_elst 3y ago
For all the press releases the images displayed are always very impressive, however whenever I try a similar (at least from my point of view) prompt I get undefined blobs full of mistakes. Is my prompt-fu that low or is that a more widespread issue?
- skepticATX 3y ago
  Even the press release images have multiple pretty significant issues. They look good at first glance but are pretty much nonsensical if you take a closer look. Why is the spoon writing on the back of a clipboard, for example?
- treesciencebot 3y ago
  Especially for previous generation of models (from Dall-E 2 to SD 2.1) without any sort of finetune, my experience was that you can get good results only and only if you have an amazing prompt. This obscure problem seems to be slowly disappearing with newer generation (SDXL) models or the existing fine tunes (RealisticVision).
- kristofferR 3y ago
  You're probably not using DALL·E 3: > DALL·E 3 [...] will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API, and in Labs later this fall.
  - vander_elst 3y ago
    I'm definitely not using DALL·E 3 :) but this is has been my experience for all other image generators
    - Filligree 3y ago
      Prompt-fu is definitely part of it. It takes dozens to hundreds of hours of playing around before you have a good eye for it... which isn't going to happen with something you have to pay for per image, let's be honest.
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csk111165 3y ago
OpenAI is turning out to be not supportive to the developer community with its hidden intent of becoming the monopoly.
- tommek4077 3y ago
  How are they becoming a monopoly with midjourney and stable diffusion as strong opponents?
  - rvz 3y ago
    By having backroom discussions with governments around the world and discussing how to regulate their competitors out of existence? [0] None of them have the money or influence to lobby for such changes like OpenAI does (alongside with Microsoft) The path way to an OpenAI monopoly is quite clear, especially with the controlling stake from Microsoft. So I won't be surprised to see OpenAI continuously attempt and revive their regulatory capture using licences [1] against actual 'open' AI companies who release their papers, code, models, etc. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35960125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35960125 [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-us-congress-propose-licenses-building-ai-2023-05-16/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-...
    - tommek4077 3y ago
      Yeah, good luck with keeping something open sourced secret again. Worked like a charm with encryption and DVDs CSS.
dontupvoteme 3y ago
What's the point? Stable Diffusion could basically do all of this almost a year ago.
- cal85 3y ago
  I haven’t really used it. Can it follow all the details of a precise prompt as shown here?
  - BudaDude 3y ago
    SDXL can. I suspect the VAE will be better with DALL-E 3 but SDXL can do it too.
- bufferoverflow 3y ago
  Except text.
davidbarker 3y ago
If anyone's interested: last year I generated around 7,000 images using DALL•E 2 and uploaded them to https://generrated.com/ https://generrated.com/ I wanted a way to experiment/see what DALL•E 2 could create and share with others as some sort of inspiration/a starting point. This was before the API was available, so I had to generate and save them all manually. And it was rather expensive! But fun. Looks like I'll have to update them all for DALL•E 3 when I get access.
- dinkleberg 3y ago
  If you end up doing that, it would be cool to see the comparison of the v2 vs v3 images.
  - davidbarker 3y ago
    Absolutely. I've already started thinking about how I could incorporate some kind of comparison feature. Because there's no way to control the seed, a direct comparison (using a before/after slider, for example) probably wouldn't make sense. But I could put the group of 4 images from each version above/below each other as a general comparison, perhaps?
    - thewataccount 3y ago
      > Because there's no way to control the seed, a direct comparison (using a before/after slider, for example) probably wouldn't make sense. Even if it was the same seed, from my understanding Dalle3 would have to be just a further trained version of the same checkpoint to even resemble Dalle2's image. Like stable diffusion 1.4 vs 1.5 and 2.0 and 2.1 will make identifiably similar images, but 1.5 vs 2.1 vs SDXL won't look remotely similar. Even more so because I'd wager they changed their encoder and/or decoder too. * I think that if they generated something like a controlnet for guidance the same way in both models then they might be comparable but from my understanding Dalle2 doesn't work that way at all. Comparisons would still be interesting though!
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davinci123 3y ago
@samaltman how is this open? what was the reasoning behind not releasing any of the underlying models?
- tommek4077 3y ago
  It's hard to make money if anyone can copy (and improve!) your work.
YVoyiatzis 3y ago
Check out the prompts to those examples used...to create such stunning detail, one must be a Shakespeare...
YVoyiatzis 3y ago
Apparently, to create such stunning detail, one must be a Shakespeare.
seatac76 3y ago
Genuine question: are people using this in a business use case ala ChatGPT?
ilaksh 3y ago
I hope we are able to access the generated image URLs from ChatGPT Plugins.
blumomo 3y ago
„prevents misinformation and propaganda“. who at OpenAI decides the right and wrong??
doubtfuluser 3y ago
Is there any information on the resolution of the outputs? This is indeed a new low in announcing something: „hey we have this awesome new model, which right now none can use, and we won’t tell you what is changed - except for it’s magically better. Oh and don’t ask for any technical details on the output you get… details are for n00bs“.
- jamilton 3y ago
  The banana image is 1792 x 1024, the hedgehog with watermelon is 1024 x 1024, DALL-E 2 does 1024 x 1024, or more if you use outpainting. The composition on the portrait and landscape images seems better than I would expect if they were just outpainted normally though.
iAkashPaul 3y ago
I'd actually say that the quality of the second dunking example is better in v2 instead of looking like some ArtStation output “An expressive oil painting of a basketball player dunking, depicted as an explosion of a nebula.”
- jamilton 3y ago
  Yeah, I agree. The other examples of v3 output were better - especially anything with text, I'm surprised they didn't focus on that more as it was a significant weakness of v2 (and mainline StableDiffusion, but ideogram.ai seems to have figured it out, so it'll probably be widely available eventually).
  - iAkashPaul 3y ago
    Dunno what model Ideogram uses underneath but DeepFloyd-IF for proper text was already open sourced a while back.
mcintyre1994 3y ago
Have other models solved the problem with text in images or is that new here? That "I just feel so empty inside." one is so much better than anything I've seen before from generated images, and their video has some really high quality text in some of the images too.
- jamilton 3y ago
  DeepFloyd did it, at the cost of lower quality images overall. Maybe that was because it wasn't a commercial product, though, more a proof of concept? ideogram.ai has similarly good text with higher general quality, as long as the text is short.
- skonteam 3y ago
  If i remember correctly, google's imagen did that a while ago.
lopkeny12ko 3y ago
> Like previous versions, we’ve taken steps to limit DALL·E 3’s ability to generate [...] adult [...] content. And so continues the trend of "progressive" AI companies deliberately handicapping their models for no real good reason.
- hiddencost 3y ago
  So continues the trend of bad takes.
  - AbrahamParangi 3y ago
    Complaining about censorious moralizing is valid. You don’t have to defend it just because you view it as a partisan attack.
    - ShamelessC 3y ago
      What?
  - 93po 3y ago
    Please provide more substance when saying something like this. Kindly explain why you feel it is flawed instead of flatly rejecting it without elaboration.
    - zarzavat 3y ago
      The comment is not forthcoming but the point is valid because it’s pretty obvious that the reason they are afraid of generating adult content is because of the risk that people e.g. use it to make porn of people without their consent, CP, shock images, or just anything that will harm OpenAI’s reputation and get them sued/regulated into the ground. Not because Sam Altman is some kind of evangelical moralizer.
- lantry 3y ago
  Your reply reminds me of that meme "everything I don't like is woke". How is blocking porn a "progressive" thing? aren't conservatives the ones blocking porn these days? for example: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/republican-anti-porn-law-internet-crackdown-1234730407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/republ...
dang 3y ago
> Coming soon Ah - this isn't out yet. That puts this in the "announcement of an announcement" category (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22announcement%20of%20an%20announcement%22 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Let's have a thread once the actual thing is there to be discussed. There's no harm in waiting (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22no%20harm%20in%20waiting%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...).
- GaggiX 3y ago
  I never saw a post being more deboosted before but this "announcement" was extremely underwhelming so I welcome it.
  - dang 3y ago
    Happy to exceed expectations in underwhelming!
brucethemoose2 3y ago
Fooocus has a similar "prompt expansion" feature with a model dedicated to just that, as well as a list of style "presets" that are known to be in SDXL's training data: https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus Other stable diffusion UIs have this as an option too.
two_in_one 3y ago
Interesting about OpenAI is that they can use old models to generate new training sets. For them it's cheap. Example of that would be the use of GPT-4 to generate sets tailored for training smaller or MoE models. Which is hard to do manually. Really accelerating AI development, with humans in the loop for now.
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shantnutiwari 3y ago
I dont know. DALL E 2 was terrible. I regret paying for it-- the results look like a 6 year old with Ms Paint. Dalle 3, no matter how better, can't be that better?
gslin 3y ago
This page is somehow quite interesting, returning 404: $ http https://openai.com/dall-e-3 HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: keep-alive Content-Encoding: gzip But others seem returning normal 200.

DALL·E 3

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skepticATX 3y ago

The spoon is writing on the back of a clipboard.

mjirv 3y ago

Interesting that they don't have the watermark on the "DALL-E 3" images.

andrewroth1 3y ago
why do you think this is?
- minimaxir 3y ago
  There's probably no point in terms of a watermark's goals. Additionally, since OpenAI is asserting no rights over the image, a watermark would be inappropriate.
  - andrewroth1 3y ago
    Makes sense
_bramses 3y ago
Thats the case now too if you use the API and not the labs version
hughlomas 3y ago
Perhaps they use some form of steganography.
Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
Why would you expect one? I don't think I've heard of any AI image generators placing a watermark.
- jamilton 3y ago
  v2 has a watermark in the lower right corner of every image.

reqo 3y ago

>DALL·E 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API Does this mean that ChatGPT plus price will increase? Otherwise the value you will get for the subscription is crazy!

virgildotcodes 3y ago
Via api, I take that to mean we’d pay per call, just get earlier access than non-plus/enterprise customers. I could be wrong though.

Der_Einzige 3y ago

Very unlikely to be better than SDXL combined with its rich ecosystem of loras, controlnets, and other custom content in WebUIs like Automatic1111 or comfyUI and their extensions. Would love to be proven wrong!

KerryJones 3y ago
Is your hypothesis that DALL-E 3 won't be using additional methods? Or what do you consider "better" -- I agree Automatic1111 and comfyUI make SDXL great for home use, but it feels a bit like an argument of PC vs Mac, where OpenAI is providing the Mac experience (polished, instantly easy to use) while PC offers more customization and nitty gritty.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > but it feels a bit like an argument of PC vs Mac, where OpenAI is providing the Mac experience (polished, instantly easy to use) while PC offers more customization and nitty gritty. 1984, the year the Mac was introduced (and when the more customizable, nitty-gritty Apple II series was their main seller) was also Apple’s all time peak in share of the personal computer market in terms of units sold. So…yeah, I think the comparison is apt, but maybe not in the way you think it is.
redox99 3y ago
MJ is already better than SDXL if you don't need any of the tools that SDXL has and MJ doesn't. So it isn't that hard to imagine Dalle 3 being better than SDXL.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > > Very unlikely to be better than SDXL combined with its rich ecosystem […] > MJ is already better than SDXL if you don’t need any of the [elements of the rich ecosystem beyond the base models] Yeah, I think you kind of missed the point there. (Also, not convinced you are right even there, MJ seems to be much worse at prompt-following than base SDXL model, and on other qualities in the range where subjective opinions are going to vary considerably on which is better, judging from the head-to-head comparisons with prompts I’ve seen, largely from people claiming that MJ is better so presumably not trying to subtly favor SDXL in the construction of the comparisons. Because of the ecosystem, its been a long time since I found MJ more useful than even SD 1.5-based toolsets.)

foobaw 3y ago

I wonder how comparable this will be to MidJourney and I'm excited to try it out.

scrapcode 3y ago
One thing I immediately noticed was the text, which doesn't seem to be something I can get MidJourney to do.
- quaintdev 3y ago
  If you want text, checkout https://ideogram.ai https://ideogram.ai The quality is good and is free currently.
- ehsankia 3y ago
  There's only a small handful of examples, which very well could be cherrypicked, but yes I am excited about text, that's one thing most models struggle at currently.
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starshadowx2 3y ago
Pedantic but FYI the J isn't capitalised, it's just Midjourney.
cubefox 3y ago
The cartoon with the text wouldn't be possible in Midjourney. Also Dall-E 3 seems to have very good text comprehension, which was an area where Dall-E was always relatively good at compared to other models with better image quality.

gumballindie 3y ago

Have they removed copyrighted "training" material or are they still relying on people's hard work which they "learned from" without consent and are selling without permission?

simonw 3y ago
OpenAI license image data from Shutterstock, so it's possible that this is trained entirely on licensed images. https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release-details/shutterstock-expands-partnership-openai-signs-new-six-year https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release... More transparency about the training data, as always, would be greatly appreciated.
rusk 3y ago
> without permission or attribution even
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raytopia 3y ago
They haven't. Probably one reason Adobe's AI will beat them out long term. Also another thing that's been on my mind is I wonder if all this AI generation stuff could cause a Games Industry style crash where due to such a over saturation of highly advertised but meaningless/worthless AI content consumers lose interest and stop spending money in different respective industries (books, ganes, films, digital art, music, etc.) and then they crash.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  I am not aware of a games industry crash, it would appear that gaming is an industry larger than all other forms of art combined. But indeed niches that are saturated by enshitified content have almost crashed and I get your point. I suppose the average will turn even more average and indeed people will stop spending money on it. AI being a statistical machine it will excell at making whatever is common and plenty and as such those industries will suffer even more. Average music, content writing, drawings, etc, will drop to near zero value, that's guranteed.

valyagolev 3y ago

what does being 'built on chatgpt' means? does it mean they use gpt3.5 embeddings? or is it a simple plugin?

LordShredda 3y ago
Marketing I suppose.
Zetobal 3y ago
Every transformer model uses a small/tiny llm (CLIP, OpenCLIP, BLIP2, FLAMINGO) as their text encoder and I guess they use gpt 3.5 for theirs.
- valyagolev 3y ago
  even the first version was described by them as gpt: "DALL·E is a 12-billion parameter version of GPT-3", but i am not sure it's the GPT-3 that we know (as trained on all the stuff), but rather like, same/similar architecture? and in other places they mention CLIP as a part of the model (I'm talking about the first version)? all of this is quite confusing for me, and leaves me wondering, if this is simply "same architecture" or "reuse of embeddings" or "use in training" or "fine-tuning", especially for the exciting new version
reqo 3y ago
It means that ChatGPT will be used to optimize your prompts before they are used in DALL-E 3!
gzer0 3y ago
DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT Plus users will be able to directly create images within the ChatGPT web interface.
BytesAndGears 3y ago
The subheading says: > When prompted with an idea, ChatGPT will automatically generate tailored, detailed prompts for DALL-E 3 Then there’s a video of someone typing into ChatGPT and it responding with images

rmorey 3y ago

looks amazing, the text generation looks really great

cryptoz 3y ago

Ooooh exciting ! Been using DALL-E 2 to generate space images every 30 mins from prompts generated by GPT-4; and I've noticed the DALL-E output is so dramatically worse and more constrained than MJ (no API though) or SD (which I'm not running locally yet). Been sad at the image quality and was just wondering this week when DALL-E 3! You can see it at https://cosmictrip.space https://cosmictrip.space (and coming soon is an adventure game series backed by DALL-E and GPT-4)

isoprophlex 3y ago
Interesting idea, i love it! If you want to self-host, check out comfyui. It is a breeze to install, and offers an api for headless interactions. On my 5 year old i7 NUC it produces a 1024x1024 image (cpu only! no gpu needed) in around 20 mins using the SDXL model.
- cryptoz 3y ago
  I haven't heard of comfyui yet but a simple install with a headless API and ability to run on my linode (hopefully..!) without a gpu is all I really need to kickstart the local-running plan. Intersting, will check that out, thanks! And thanks for the kind words as well, glad you love the idea haha!
  - isoprophlex 3y ago
    Good luck! Dunno if linode will cut it, my box has 6 cores and 32 gbs of RAM; it's a pretty resource heavy tool... but yeah if you are okay with >10 minute generation times this is a very cost effective solution.
aloer 3y ago
I like that pixelated stuff. Wonder if DALL-E itself counts as a forbidden living artist or if soon we will „generate x in the style of DALL-E 2“

tysam_and 3y ago

And another round of races commences! Some folks seem to have some strong ire towards OpenAI (maybe a bit less recently), but for one, they seem to do a really, really, _really_ good job at making themselves "the benchmark to beat" for certain things, and in doing that, I think they really seem to push the field quite far forward. <3 :'))))

unnouinceput 3y ago
>Some folks seem to have some strong ire towards OpenAI... Yes, they should. OpenAI IS Microsoft, never forget this. Any old timer like myself remembers the crap Microsoft pulled in 90's. And nowadays they still would do the same (and in background sometime they still do it) if they would lead in those areas. I have no love towards FB/Zucky boi, but the move to make LLAMA free is a good one. Hopefully another leak comes from inside OpenAI and we get access to everything.
- yunwal 3y ago
  Not even in the background. In order to use BingGPT you have to use the edge browser (there are ways around this but they are not obvious to a nontechnical user). What could possibly be the reason for that besides anticompetitive behavior?
- flir 3y ago
  > I have no love towards FB/Zucky boi, but the move to make LLAMA free is a good one. I think that might be a bit "enemy of my enemy". Remember "commoditize your complement"? Not that I'm averse to the tech giants forcing each other into a race to the bottom.
jprete 3y ago
I dislike OpenAI because they were founded to work on AI safety, and the most anti-safety thing you can possibly do is encourage competition over AI capabilities, which is exactly what they are doing over and over again.
- astrange 3y ago

ctoth 3y ago

> DALL·E 3 is designed to decline requests that ask for an image in the style of a living artist. There can be only one! This seems weird to me, but I admit I'm about as far from an artistic person as it is possible to be. I understand why it was done (people kept asking for pictures in the style of that one dude and they were better and he hated it) but it still just seems strange.

nwoli 3y ago
Also weird since chatgpt is more than willing to do it
gumballindie 3y ago
They want to make it less obvious that they've stolen people's content. That's what these procedural images are based on. Loads and loads of content taken from people for free.
- ctoth 3y ago
  > Loads and loads of content taken from people for free. The content that the people themselves posted to the Internet? I'm pretty sure that OpenAI didn't break into any artist's studios and steal anything.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    If I wear my wallet out in the open does that mean it's ok for you to steal it? Or if I expose my painting in a museum is it ok to copy and resell it? People that used to steal software used to claim that they just made a copy, they didn't steal a car. Yet somehow corporations prevented them from making said copies. Now we see people are taking the side of corporations stealing people's content. The content that they themselves don't want to be stolen. Weird world, and the markets are clearly irrational. This IP theft will backfire and it will be glorious.
    - runj__ 3y ago

carlosrdrz 3y ago

Funny how they say: "Creators can now also opt their images out from training of our future image generation models." and then the link is just a form to submit a single image at a time. They mention you can disallow GPTBot on your site, sure, but even if you do, what happens if the Bot already scraped your image? In any case, probably other people would just publish your picture in some other website that does not disallow GPTBot anyway.

quenix 3y ago

Reading about advances in AI art is always bittersweet. Generative text-to-image systems have come very far in the past 2 years. Impressively so. Frankly, I am in awe at the (cherrypicked!) outputs on this page. Years on, it's still a little hard to fully grasp the imminent, momentous impact this (has yet to have?) on commercial artists. I fear it will become pretty much impossible to make any sort of living off art in the next decade. I mean: the outputs on the page are just awesome. Leagues ahead of the stuff we have now. And I'm already seeing old-gen generated AI images on corporate blog posts—everyone will jump on DALL-E 3. Being in the profession right now must be very discouraging indeed. My heart goes out to those artists who will eventually be replaced by cheap, intuitive text prompts. Commercialising art for corps was one of the last ways to exist as an artist in today's economy and get by. I fear the extinction of the profession will have a big impact on our cultural capital.

raytopia 3y ago
Luckily AI art will most likely be in the public domain so artists will probably always be involved but you'll become some editing cog in a machine trying to change a piece of ai art enough that it becomes copyrightable.
rusk 3y ago
My guess is this will devalue art overall. That is indeed momentous it’s been a corner stone of modern culture for about 500 years. What does a world without art look like. Does a new form of “art” evolve that makes use of these seemingly omnipotent brushes?
- quenix 3y ago
  Sadly, I feel it has already started to devalue art. I find myself unironically wondering whether some pieces are AI-generated on my feed. When I can't tell, I mentally devalue the image. I'm becoming more and more redpilled on the generative art stuff. The risk-benefit analysis checks out in favour of LLMs, but maybe art is something we can keep our Markov chains off of.
- reidjs 3y ago

Eliezer 3y ago

I see they're continuing the campaign to make people dislike something called "AI safety" by redefining it as corporate prudery.

mitthrowaway2 3y ago
This hijacking of the term really bugs me. As though The Terminator himself would have been "safe" if only he didn't speak cursewords to his neighbour.
- roywiggins 3y ago
  I think they've just redefined "AI safety" as an analogue of "brand safety." To corporations, that's what safety means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_safety
  - mitthrowaway2 3y ago
    When car companies talk about safety, they mean the car is unlikely to kill its occupants, rather than that the stereo plays only unoffensive music to protect the brand. AI safety is a thing apart from brand safety, and OpenAI would be well aware of this, just like GM is aware of what crash safety means.
    - roywiggins 3y ago
      > they mean the car is unlikely to kill its occupants, rather than that the stereo plays only unoffensive music to protect the brand Right, so in that case the occupants are their customers, and they're hopefully protecting them from harm. They're not optimizing for, say, pedestrian safety[0]. In this case, OpenAI's customers are other companies, and they're keeping them from harm, and the number one harm that companies are worried about re: AI is "what if we deploy an AI tool and it generates nudity etc that damages the bottom line." I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it seems to describe the situation as it is, doesn't it? [0] https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/blind-spots-on-pickup-trucks-are-killing-pedestrians-says-consumer-reports https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/blind-spots-on-pick...

nwoli 3y ago

Can’t really beat SDXL with loras, but glad they’re still advancing the tech

mcbuilder 3y ago
There is no paper, so no technical detail about the model. Yeah this is very different than the SDXL world, where you are much more in control. Too bad, since there might be some interesting advances (the way the model follows the prompts better for instance), but OpenAI is continuing to advance the tech behind closed doors.

gzer0 3y ago

The reason that this will be a good product is that it is accessible natively within the chatgpt interface. In addition, having access to a library of prompts, and being able to produce, create, and store images within the web interface will unlock this type of generative ai for images to many more people. Compare this to the midjourney way, in which users must not only sign up, they have to use a discord bot (not saying this is hard, but more so, a larger barrier to entry). Native integration will mean instant adoption by millions on day 1.

nextworddev 3y ago

Thoughts: - ChatGPT integration is absolutely huge (ChatGPT Plus and enterprise integrations coming in October). This may severely thwart Midjourney and a whole bunch other text-to-image SaaS companies, leaving them only available to focus on NSFW use cases. - Quality looks comparable to Midjourney - but Midjourney has other useful features like upscaling, creating multiple variations, etc. Will DallE3 keep up, UX wise? - I absolutely prefer ChatGPT over Discord as the UI, so UI-wise I prefer this.

brianjking 3y ago
Dall-e 2 had variations, inpainting, etc well before Midjourney. However, I 100% agree that it's going to be interesting to see who and what wins this race.
- rvz 3y ago
  Stability AI with Stable Diffusion is already at the finish line in this race, by being $0, open source and not being exclusively a cloud-based AI model and can be used offline. Anything else that is 'open source' AI and allows on-device AI systems eventually brings the cost to $0.
  - junipertea 3y ago
    unless it's way worse
    - shmoogy 3y ago
      SDXL and older models are quite good. It's not yet very user friendly but will get there.
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    That's a different race entirely; most people don't even have the hardware, let alone the knowledge to run SD.
  - chankstein38 3y ago

V__ 3y ago

> DALL·E 3 is designed to decline requests that ask for an image in the style of a living artist. > Creators can now also opt their images out from training of our future image generation models. So this version was again trained (without permission) on copyrighted work. And they try to shift the burden onto artists to manually opt out. Aren't they afraid some court might, at some point, force them to pay each artist back a fee for each generated image?

Horffupolde 3y ago
It’s a price they are willing to pay.
jdminhbg 3y ago
> So this version was again trained (without permission) on copyrighted work. So am I!
- smallerfish 3y ago
  How do we access your brain's API for fractions of a cent? I've got $100 ready to go!
  - jdminhbg 3y ago
    $100 grants you continuous access to my higher-level functions for about half an hour. Inquire within!
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    The usual way. Send me a check every couple of weeks, and a 1099 at the end of the tax year.
- amelius 3y ago
  Except you were actually trained, while the AI applied some form of computation that we (perhaps opportunistically) call "training" but it isn't really the same thing. You can't win in court just by naming things the same.

prvc 3y ago

As an isolated image, I prefer the Dall-E 2 sample (of the basketball player) to all the others on that page, aesthetically. Due perhaps to having used a more fine-art-heavy training corpus, or a less specific correspondence to prompts?

binarymax 3y ago
I appreciate your preference (I like things heaver on impressionism too), but I don't think it's due to the corpus but rather the model capability. DALL-E 2 is just behind in capability. Of course we won't know until October but I suspect you could prompt v3 to get a style closer to v2 if you wanted.
dinkblam 3y ago
agreed. the new version (which they obviously view as so much better that this is their one "we made improvements" sample) is just repugnant
- timeon 3y ago
  reminds me kitsch
ricree 3y ago
Artistic preference aside, the Dall-E 3 version definitely follows the prompt closer (in the it shows someone dunking a ball).
- pastor_bob 3y ago
  it looks less like an 'oil painting' though. Looks to me like one of those stencil, spray-painted images you see people selling at tourist attractions. Perhaps the Dall-E 2 unintentionally got that better.
- prvc 3y ago
  That's part of my point. It better reflects the banal concept expressed by the prompt.

binarymax 3y ago

Nice to see OpenAI catching up to Midjourney. It's been interesting to see how good Midjourney is compared to DALL-E and StableDiffusion. There has been a wide gap in quality for awhile now.

dinkblam 3y ago
can midjourney be used without that propriety and inappropriate "discord" interface?
- ehsankia 3y ago
  Not yet, but from the news I've heard of Version 6, that is the plan. They're working on a big website update and at first they will allow the use of both, and over time I think the plan is to build new features for the website UI only. That's because they're running into major limitations with Discord when it comes to more advanced stuff like region painting and so on.
- bradly 3y ago
  That was one of the weirdest experience I've had on the web in a long time.
saberience 3y ago
I think it’s more subjective than that. For me the Stable Diffusion experience is far ahead of Midjourney. Running it locally, hundreds of custom models online for any kind of image you want, controlnet, plus it’s free. The open source community is pushing forward SD forward far faster than Midjourney is improving.

minimaxir 3y ago

Given the bullet point of "DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT" and the tight integration between ChatGPT and the corresponding image generation (and no research paper released with the announcement), I strongly suspect that DALL-E 3 is a trial run of GPT-4 multimodal capabilities and may be run on a similar infrastructure.

ekam 3y ago
The art produced by GPT-4 so far hasn't been at this level but this may be a newer version. See: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.12712.pdf
cubefox 3y ago
GPT-4 can only do text-to-text and image-to-text. It can't generate images itself. So it will simply use an API call. Really nothing special, Bing does the same thing.

TheRealHB 3y ago

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diarrhea 3y ago

> As with DALL·E 2, the images you create with DALL·E 3 are yours to use and you don't need our permission to reprint, sell or merchandise them How generous.

amelius 3y ago
What if you type "Buzz Lightyear from Disney's Toy Story"?
- livrem 3y ago
  You get an image that is yours, that you do not need permission from OpenAI to do anything you want with. (Fine print: But you definitely need permission from Disney to use it.)
  - amelius 3y ago
    Ok, if I type "toy astronaut", how am I supposed to know if/when it produces a Disney character?
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- twostorytower 3y ago
  You might need Disney's permission but you don't need OpenAI's (or rather...it wouldn't help you regardless).

CuriouslyC 3y ago

This does look like it might be a real threat to Midjourney, but isn't going to dethrone Stable Diffusion. I'm guessing prompt adherence will be excellent, but the lack of customizability and the art style gimping are going to limit is use greatly. People are going to use producing base images using Dall-E 3 to get composition, then run them through Stable Diffusion for style/upscaling/details.

boppo1 3y ago
Why isn't this a threat to Stable Diffusion? I see more super high quality stuff from midjourney that I struggle to ID as generated than I do SD.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  Because SD runs locally and produces the kind of content people want.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    true, fortunately there are many more things to create than nudity, sexually explicit, and political figures “so for everything else, there’s Midjourney”
    - saberience 3y ago
      SD is also free and there are custom models for anything you want whether it’s creating landscapes or anime waifus. And those specific models are better than the general model that Midjourney uses which is “good enough” at everything.
      - cooper_ganglia 3y ago
        Not only does it have custom models, you can train your own custom model. This is a big deal for many workflows that Midjourney and DALL-E just can’t accommodate (at least for now!).

karmasimida 3y ago

The hands fidelity seems impressive. Any ideas how this is comparing to latest stability model?

ehsankia 3y ago
I feel like MidJourney has already almost mastered hands. The one thing I definitely wan to see more of is Text. There's one image with "Explore Venus", and in the video, the hedgehog has a mailbox with Larry on it. Both of those look good, but obviously super cherry picked.
speedgoose 3y ago
SDXL 1.0 still produces quite a lot of terrible hands, but fine ones too. If a picture is great except the hands and some other details, inpainting can be used as a workaround. Also, cherry picked examples from Dall-e 3 may not be representative of the average output. Like some SD 1.5 models may look amazing on civitai or reddit, but you soon realise that they are terrible on average and overfitted to very specific kind of pictures and characters.
pierrec 3y ago
Really? On their large, featured image, the female character's left hand seems to be two deformed blobs sneaking behind her other arm, while the male character's left forearm seems twice as long as it should be, eventually merging with the countertop.
- jamilton 3y ago
  Yeah, I was surprised how "ai blobby" that image was. Guess it makes the rest of the page seem less cherry-picked? Maybe there's a trade-off in "have lots of little details" and "have uniform good quality"?
- karmasimida 3y ago
  Oh that is a good callout, I wasn't even thinking that is a hand in the first place

meetpateltech 3y ago

When MidJourney releases the web version and API, competition with OpenAI DALL-E's will be intense!

suyash 3y ago

"Credits" couldn't have been more ironic, looks like name of every possible person at the company got a mention except for the real artists upon whose data their Generative AI is working.

Kiro 3y ago

> DALL·E 3 is now in research preview, and will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API, and in Labs later this fall. What does this mean? How do you use ChatGPT Plus through the API?

minimaxir 3y ago
The antecedent is "Enterprise customers".
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- Kiro 3y ago
  When searching for OpenAI and Enterprise I only find ChatGPT Enterprise. Does that mean they have a separate API that is not in the regular OpenAI API?
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    No, they mean they think of the API as being used only by companies. Which is probably true, overall.

keiferski 3y ago

I have been creating a large number of Midjourney images for a project recently, and it’s made me remember/realize something that I think the AI Art doomsayers seem to not understand: the importance of curation. A quick glance at /r/Midjourney or even the images featured in DALLE link above shows how boring the “default result” is when using a generator. While it may be easier to create images, you still need some artistic sense and skills to figure out which ones are appealing. In the bigger picture I think this basically means that illustration-type art will become more of a curatorial activity, in which being able to filter through masses of images becomes the predominant skill needed.

mrweiner 3y ago
I’m not terribly familiar with the text to image tools, but you can provide source images as baseline, right? I’d wager that if you’re able to create a baseline image to feed in, your results will be better. The better the input, the better the output. It definitely feels like a situation where artists who can leverage ai will be the ones pulling ahead in the commercial sector.
- keiferski 3y ago
  It doesn’t really work that way. Yes, you can use images as a source, but they are more just mined for “pieces” to rearrange, not overall aesthetic effects.
  - astrange 3y ago
    You can do it with ControlNet guidance for SD.
  - minimaxir 3y ago
    That is not how image-to-image approaches work. ControlNet is a obvious counterexample. If you think "diffusion is just collaging", upload a control image using this space that cannot exist in the source dataset (e.g. a personal sketch) and generate your own image: https://huggingface.co/spaces/AP123/IllusionDiffusion https://huggingface.co/spaces/AP123/IllusionDiffusion

amelius 3y ago

Never felt so far removed from being an actual artist ...

TheCaptain4815 3y ago

Very excited to try the text fix feature! Anyone have any tips on getting beta access to these models earlier? I've been in GPT3 beta since June 2021, and I was only ever able to get Codex early.

gsuuon 3y ago

It can generate readable text based on the prompt! Has that been possible before?

p1esk 3y ago

Not only there’s no model weights or code released, there’s not even a paper. Nothing is revealed about the model. “OpenAI”, ladies and gentlemen.

teaearlgraycold 3y ago
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0xDEF 3y ago
Has anyone who funded OpenAI back in 2015 spoken out against their non-openness? Elon Musk only did after he no longer had a stake in it. Edit: OpenAI is a corporation and their stakeholders include Microsoft, Peter Thiel, and Infosys. Yeah, not really surprising that they are not "Open".
- jprete 3y ago
  I think I remember there being an organizational structure where the outer organization was a non-profit and they separated out what is now OpenAI into a for-profit subsidiary with a profit cap of 100x investment. I still can't believe such a deal is legal.
suyash 3y ago
Joke's on you pal if you're still expecting that from 'OpenAI' :/
benatkin 3y ago
At first I thought of it as Open(Web|Source|File Format|StreetMap|etc), now I group it with OpenTable. Also at first this objection really resonated with me. I think the meaning of OpenAI has spread pretty well now, and that it's getting to the point where raising this objection is tiresome. There is an important point to be made about how it got popularized as being open and then they went and closed it while keeping the momentum, but that should be made instead of just saying, "wait, it's called OpenAI but isn't open?!?!" However, stuff gets started as an open play all the time and gets closed, without open in the brand name, for instance https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ https://ghuntley.com/fracture/ - hence the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing

codetrotter 3y ago

Anyone else noticed the Venus poster having actually legible text? That’s very cool. Previously I’ve only ever seen generated images having garbled text.

zoba 3y ago
This was the most exciting part to me.
yieldcrv 3y ago
Almost! The subtext is still in a dreamstate
Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
I asked DALL-E 2 for several pictures of "DO NOT ENTER" signs and a few of them had signs that said "DO ENTER".
sterlind 3y ago
I'm surprised Stable Diffusion and others haven't cracked legible text by now. OCR has been solved for decades now, surely they could include some OCR term in the loss function while training it?

LeonM 3y ago

I tried watching the video of Dall-E in ChatGPT (with the thumbnail of "my 5 year-old keeps talking about a"), but it is giving an error "sorry, this video does not exist". Anyone else having trouble watching the video?

kristofferR 3y ago
https://player.vimeo.com/video/866470243 https://player.vimeo.com/video/866470243

yieldcrv 3y ago

> DALL·E 3 is built natively on ChatGPT, which lets you use ChatGPT as a brainstorming partner and refiner of your prompts. Nice! I teach ChatGPT on midjourney’s documentation and it gives me great prompts on my loose ideas This follows that concept

bane 3y ago

You know, I've been trying to use some of these new generative AI and LLM models and I think I'm sort of reflecting off of them. I've gotten a few good things out chatGPT in terms of writing advice and such, but I find the generative art bits really frustrating, and typing in long prompts to be also kind of not worth the effort, I can usually just make what I want in less time than it takes to refine my prompts down. However...I'm a very visual thinker, when I'm thinking or speaking, I often see images in my head of what I'm trying to convey. I wonder if aligning ChatGPT and DALL-E or something similar so that I can "see" an image of what the computer is saying as well as the text might be a great next step towards making me feel more engaged with the technology. That and native speech to text would be nice so I can just talk at it and have it just sitting on the side as a helper-bot instead of being the main point of my focus while I work on or do other things.

jonplackett 3y ago
I’m also excited if they can make an image generator you can chat to and iterate. That would be awesome. You might know Thai already but have you tried using ControlNet to make images with stable diffusion? It allows you to input an image that it follows along with the prompt, and there’s a bunch of ways to influence it. You can even give it a hand drawn sketch. Or have it pick out position of limbs, or use the edges of objects and keep those. If you have something specific you want to create then it’s amazingly helpful. The only easy to use site I know of that offers it is happyaccidents.ai (or you can run yourself if you have SD installed)
- bane 3y ago
  Thanks for the tip! I'll be checking it out. This conversation reminds me of the old Star Trek:The Next Generation episodes in the Holodeck, only they're talking to "the computer" to iterate on a holodeck scenario design. https://youtu.be/vaUuE582vq8 https://youtu.be/vaUuE582vq8 https://youtu.be/NXX0dKw4SjI https://youtu.be/NXX0dKw4SjI
- mcintyre1994 3y ago
  It's quite a bit more narrow, but FusionAI is a really cool example of this too! https://www.producthunt.com/posts/fusionart-ai https://www.producthunt.com/posts/fusionart-ai

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alphabetting 3y ago

Is this the first time OpenAI has had a big announcement like this without it actually being released? Normally they tend to ship when they announce.

hmottestad 3y ago
I actually bought credits with DALL-E only to be disappointed by the results, because there isn't a version 3 available. They honestly could have just waited to announce this until it was actually released!

paxys 3y ago

Can it draw hands yet?

tommek4077 3y ago
Hands are a more or less solved problem. At least in midjourney.

kyriakos 3y ago

Never understood how blocking adult content generation is considered safety.

datagram 3y ago
I assume it's to stop people from generating revenge porn.
- kyriakos 3y ago
  I am not familiar enough with current dall-e, would I be able to upload a photo of someone and ask it to turn it into adult imagery if this restriction wasn't there?
  - moyix 3y ago
    Yes. Inpainting lets you erase part of an image and have the AI model fill it in based on your prompt.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      This would only justify blocking nudity for inpainting.
- polski-g 3y ago
  That is not what revenge porn is. This is de novo artwork.
  - avisser 3y ago
    This feels like semantics. If I create use SD/Dall-E and create a comprimising image of a woman I know, and I release it, what difference does it make if it's a photo or generated? Especially as tech gets better and it's hard to tell at a glance whether or not it's a fake.
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unshavedyak 3y ago

Wonder if the cost is prohibitive enough that casual users (like myself) would benefit from a ChatGPT Plus subscription style service. I'd love to see some basic usage included in my GPT+ sub edit: Welll... they say "Try ChatGPT (DALL·E 3 coming soon!)" ... if they are including some DALLE usage in GPT i'm going to resub instantly. So huge.

vander_elst 3y ago

For all the press releases the images displayed are always very impressive, however whenever I try a similar (at least from my point of view) prompt I get undefined blobs full of mistakes. Is my prompt-fu that low or is that a more widespread issue?

skepticATX 3y ago
Even the press release images have multiple pretty significant issues. They look good at first glance but are pretty much nonsensical if you take a closer look. Why is the spoon writing on the back of a clipboard, for example?
treesciencebot 3y ago
Especially for previous generation of models (from Dall-E 2 to SD 2.1) without any sort of finetune, my experience was that you can get good results only and only if you have an amazing prompt. This obscure problem seems to be slowly disappearing with newer generation (SDXL) models or the existing fine tunes (RealisticVision).
kristofferR 3y ago
You're probably not using DALL·E 3: > DALL·E 3 [...] will be available to ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise customers in October via the API, and in Labs later this fall.
- vander_elst 3y ago
  I'm definitely not using DALL·E 3 :) but this is has been my experience for all other image generators
  - Filligree 3y ago
    Prompt-fu is definitely part of it. It takes dozens to hundreds of hours of playing around before you have a good eye for it... which isn't going to happen with something you have to pay for per image, let's be honest.
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csk111165 3y ago

OpenAI is turning out to be not supportive to the developer community with its hidden intent of becoming the monopoly.

tommek4077 3y ago
How are they becoming a monopoly with midjourney and stable diffusion as strong opponents?
- rvz 3y ago
  By having backroom discussions with governments around the world and discussing how to regulate their competitors out of existence? [0] None of them have the money or influence to lobby for such changes like OpenAI does (alongside with Microsoft) The path way to an OpenAI monopoly is quite clear, especially with the controlling stake from Microsoft. So I won't be surprised to see OpenAI continuously attempt and revive their regulatory capture using licences [1] against actual 'open' AI companies who release their papers, code, models, etc. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35960125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35960125 [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-us-congress-propose-licenses-building-ai-2023-05-16/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-chief-goes-before-...
  - tommek4077 3y ago
    Yeah, good luck with keeping something open sourced secret again. Worked like a charm with encryption and DVDs CSS.

dontupvoteme 3y ago

What's the point? Stable Diffusion could basically do all of this almost a year ago.

cal85 3y ago
I haven’t really used it. Can it follow all the details of a precise prompt as shown here?
- BudaDude 3y ago
  SDXL can. I suspect the VAE will be better with DALL-E 3 but SDXL can do it too.
bufferoverflow 3y ago
Except text.

davidbarker 3y ago

If anyone's interested: last year I generated around 7,000 images using DALL•E 2 and uploaded them to https://generrated.com/ https://generrated.com/ I wanted a way to experiment/see what DALL•E 2 could create and share with others as some sort of inspiration/a starting point. This was before the API was available, so I had to generate and save them all manually. And it was rather expensive! But fun. Looks like I'll have to update them all for DALL•E 3 when I get access.

dinkleberg 3y ago
If you end up doing that, it would be cool to see the comparison of the v2 vs v3 images.
- davidbarker 3y ago
  Absolutely. I've already started thinking about how I could incorporate some kind of comparison feature. Because there's no way to control the seed, a direct comparison (using a before/after slider, for example) probably wouldn't make sense. But I could put the group of 4 images from each version above/below each other as a general comparison, perhaps?
  - thewataccount 3y ago
    > Because there's no way to control the seed, a direct comparison (using a before/after slider, for example) probably wouldn't make sense. Even if it was the same seed, from my understanding Dalle3 would have to be just a further trained version of the same checkpoint to even resemble Dalle2's image. Like stable diffusion 1.4 vs 1.5 and 2.0 and 2.1 will make identifiably similar images, but 1.5 vs 2.1 vs SDXL won't look remotely similar. Even more so because I'd wager they changed their encoder and/or decoder too. * I think that if they generated something like a controlnet for guidance the same way in both models then they might be comparable but from my understanding Dalle2 doesn't work that way at all. Comparisons would still be interesting though!
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davinci123 3y ago

@samaltman how is this open? what was the reasoning behind not releasing any of the underlying models?

tommek4077 3y ago
It's hard to make money if anyone can copy (and improve!) your work.

YVoyiatzis 3y ago

Check out the prompts to those examples used...to create such stunning detail, one must be a Shakespeare...

YVoyiatzis 3y ago

Apparently, to create such stunning detail, one must be a Shakespeare.

seatac76 3y ago

Genuine question: are people using this in a business use case ala ChatGPT?

ilaksh 3y ago

I hope we are able to access the generated image URLs from ChatGPT Plugins.

blumomo 3y ago

„prevents misinformation and propaganda“. who at OpenAI decides the right and wrong??

doubtfuluser 3y ago

Is there any information on the resolution of the outputs? This is indeed a new low in announcing something: „hey we have this awesome new model, which right now none can use, and we won’t tell you what is changed - except for it’s magically better. Oh and don’t ask for any technical details on the output you get… details are for n00bs“.

jamilton 3y ago
The banana image is 1792 x 1024, the hedgehog with watermelon is 1024 x 1024, DALL-E 2 does 1024 x 1024, or more if you use outpainting. The composition on the portrait and landscape images seems better than I would expect if they were just outpainted normally though.

iAkashPaul 3y ago

I'd actually say that the quality of the second dunking example is better in v2 instead of looking like some ArtStation output “An expressive oil painting of a basketball player dunking, depicted as an explosion of a nebula.”

jamilton 3y ago
Yeah, I agree. The other examples of v3 output were better - especially anything with text, I'm surprised they didn't focus on that more as it was a significant weakness of v2 (and mainline StableDiffusion, but ideogram.ai seems to have figured it out, so it'll probably be widely available eventually).
- iAkashPaul 3y ago
  Dunno what model Ideogram uses underneath but DeepFloyd-IF for proper text was already open sourced a while back.

mcintyre1994 3y ago

Have other models solved the problem with text in images or is that new here? That "I just feel so empty inside." one is so much better than anything I've seen before from generated images, and their video has some really high quality text in some of the images too.

jamilton 3y ago
DeepFloyd did it, at the cost of lower quality images overall. Maybe that was because it wasn't a commercial product, though, more a proof of concept? ideogram.ai has similarly good text with higher general quality, as long as the text is short.
skonteam 3y ago
If i remember correctly, google's imagen did that a while ago.

lopkeny12ko 3y ago

> Like previous versions, we’ve taken steps to limit DALL·E 3’s ability to generate [...] adult [...] content. And so continues the trend of "progressive" AI companies deliberately handicapping their models for no real good reason.

hiddencost 3y ago
So continues the trend of bad takes.
- AbrahamParangi 3y ago
  Complaining about censorious moralizing is valid. You don’t have to defend it just because you view it as a partisan attack.
  - ShamelessC 3y ago
    What?
- 93po 3y ago
  Please provide more substance when saying something like this. Kindly explain why you feel it is flawed instead of flatly rejecting it without elaboration.
  - zarzavat 3y ago
    The comment is not forthcoming but the point is valid because it’s pretty obvious that the reason they are afraid of generating adult content is because of the risk that people e.g. use it to make porn of people without their consent, CP, shock images, or just anything that will harm OpenAI’s reputation and get them sued/regulated into the ground. Not because Sam Altman is some kind of evangelical moralizer.
lantry 3y ago
Your reply reminds me of that meme "everything I don't like is woke". How is blocking porn a "progressive" thing? aren't conservatives the ones blocking porn these days? for example: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/republican-anti-porn-law-internet-crackdown-1234730407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/republ...

dang 3y ago

> Coming soon Ah - this isn't out yet. That puts this in the "announcement of an announcement" category (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22announcement%20of%20an%20announcement%22 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). Let's have a thread once the actual thing is there to be discussed. There's no harm in waiting (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22no%20harm%20in%20waiting%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...).

GaggiX 3y ago
I never saw a post being more deboosted before but this "announcement" was extremely underwhelming so I welcome it.
- dang 3y ago
  Happy to exceed expectations in underwhelming!

brucethemoose2 3y ago

Fooocus has a similar "prompt expansion" feature with a model dedicated to just that, as well as a list of style "presets" that are known to be in SDXL's training data: https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus Other stable diffusion UIs have this as an option too.

two_in_one 3y ago

Interesting about OpenAI is that they can use old models to generate new training sets. For them it's cheap. Example of that would be the use of GPT-4 to generate sets tailored for training smaller or MoE models. Which is hard to do manually. Really accelerating AI development, with humans in the loop for now.

lee101 3y ago

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shantnutiwari 3y ago

I dont know. DALL E 2 was terrible. I regret paying for it-- the results look like a 6 year old with Ms Paint. Dalle 3, no matter how better, can't be that better?

gslin 3y ago

This page is somehow quite interesting, returning 404: $ http https://openai.com/dall-e-3 HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: keep-alive Content-Encoding: gzip But others seem returning normal 200.