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Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

• roda73 3y ago
  I am sad but there are still a lot of better ones like beelink systems that appeal to me more than a nuc. Still I got a 6th gen back home and it sits unused since I don't have a good use for it.
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• mydriasis 3y ago
  I'm not on the up-and-up with Intel. I know they're building a fab in Ohio... generally, does anyone know what their next moves are meant to be? I'm curious to hear about their business plan -- I know they've been lagging some other producers in recent years.
  • brucethemoose2 3y ago
    "Catch up to TSMC at 1.8nm" is the dream. So fabbing other customers' stuff. On the product side, Intel seems to be doubling down on GPUs, in spite of troubling rumors about Arc gen 2. Of course the question is what will be on time and what will be delayed. Previous delays obliterated the product lineups Intel meticulously planned before.
    • mepian 3y ago
      Yes, "5 nodes in 4 years" is the rallying cry of the company right now.
      • solarkraft 3y ago
        Hasn't this been the case for years? "Okay, we didn't get this node, but the next one or the one after that is totally ours"
        • brucethemoose2 3y ago
          Apparently 18A is ahead of schedule. If its not, that would be very dire, given the rumors that 20A is behind. Intel can only cancel and delay for so long.
    • TechieKid 3y ago
      Any links to said "troubling rumors about Arc Gen 2"?
      • brucethemoose2 3y ago
        The Moore’s Law Is Dead YT channel claims the GPU as been delayed and "cut back" to a more modest size... But on second thought, I regret making that claim, as MLID is a unreliable source. For instance, they previously claimed Arc was canceled, and die size revisions don't really happen this close to release. This is the last credible rumor I know of: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-next-gen-arc-battlemage-gpu-rumored-to-feature-64-xe-cores https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-next-gen-arc-battlemage-gp... Nevertheless Intel did officially modify and delay Falcon Shores (their big server GPU) to 2025, which worrying. https://www.anandtech.com/show/18756/intel-scraps-rialto-bridge-gpu-next-server-gpu-will-be-falcon-shores-in-2025 https://www.anandtech.com/show/18756/intel-scraps-rialto-bri...
  • rasz 3y ago
    Their plan might boil down to distributing subsidies as dividends to shareholders.
    • Aromasin 3y ago
      Considering Intel recently cut their annual payout from $1.46 per share to $0.50 per share, while simultaneously building 3 new fabs and expanding 3 others, I somehow doubt it.
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• saltcured 3y ago
  This makes me reflect on prior milestones in PC packaging from my own POV. There is an almost tidal dance between the various thermal and performance measures and how these different devices meet use cases. But I think there is also the overall flattening trend where machines have exceeded "good enough" for many people and so the differences are more subtle, highlighting thinks like expansion/upgrade/maintenance versus aesthetics or other intangibles. A long-term shift for me is that my storage needs stopped growing with the market. Decades ago, I needed to run multiple HDDs whether for mass storage or RAID protection, but now find myself satisfied with mostly single-SSD systems. For personal use, I can mirror and backup between systems rather than needing so much redundancy inside of one. And, any machine I would consider today has sufficient desktop graphics to drive one or two 4K displays to my satisfaction for reading, writing, web browsing, and general software development. The most relevant specs for me now are CPU+GPU+RAM vs power consumption, noise, and heat. You might think the NUC was aimed right at me. But, I ignored NUCs as I saw them as just another bookshelf system which I'd already dismissed before Intel entered the game. For an integrated black box, laptops seem close enough to the same specs, while arguably having more versatility and better pricing due to their market size and economy of scale. But let me go back through my long-term observations here... A little over 20 years ago, the Pentium-M made a showing that seemed to bring laptop performance up to meet desktops, largely because it was so much more power efficient and didn't suffer as much thermal throttling while competing against the hot-running Pentium 4. For a brief period, I thought all I needed was a Thinkpad. I also fantasized about a desktop based on one (or more!) of these chips. Years before that, the Pentium MMX made a similar showing in laptops, but then desktops got into SMP and bigger RAM and the MHz wars. Around the same time as the Pentium-M, mini PCs like the Shuttle XPC gained popularity as a format between normal desktops and laptops. They usually used desktop chips and heat-pipe cooling solutions, with some limited expansion bays for disks and PCI cards. But the Athlon64 soon arrived and upset the status quo. I was enamored with an XPC running an Athlon64. I later soured on this XPC form factor when I realized it was almost as disposable as a laptop. Few parts would complement the exact model I owned, and most useful upgrades meant a whole system replacement. I learned that motherboards, power supplies, and cooling solutions also need maintenance or upgrade options. I reverted to uATX boards and chassis for home systems. I could manage these as Ships of Theseus with more modular upgrades over a decade or more, including a system that migrated from Athlon64 to Athlon64 x2 to Phenom. Also following on the Pentium-M was Intel's response to the Athlon64---the Core and Core2 eras. I left AMD behind and enjoyed long-lived Core 2 systems starting starting with the venerable Q6600 and visting Haswell to end with Skylake. I still have the Skylake system in cold storage, because I've found myself back just running laptops. On my employer's budget, I always went with beefy Intel-based workstations in the office and Thinkpads for travel and after hours or occasional WfH duty. My home systems were mostly for entertainment. The Covid lockdown sent me back into using a work laptop full-time, as we scurried to full WfH. My first Ryzen-based Thinkpad was eye opening as a capable desktop when docked. I eventually retired the workstation in my (now vacant) office, as I wasn't even bothering to access it anymore. Other work things continue on remote access colo servers and cloud hosting...
• bell-cot 3y ago
  Ah, classic Intel. Randomly start making/selling X with great fanfare, maybe do that pretty well for a while, then quietly abandon X later. For any X != "x86 CPU's".
  • mips_r4300i 3y ago
    My greatest fear is when they decide they don't know what to do with FPGAs anymore and get rid of Altera (please do this, Intel, your website doc format is awful compared to good old Altera's) Funnily enough, Intel did used to make PLDs in the 90s. And back then, Altera actually rebranded and sold them!
    • Aromasin 3y ago
      Their FPGA business group grew 2x last year, compared to every other business unit which shrunk anywhere between 10-30%. If anything, it's their golden child at the moment. They've just announced they're getting back into the mid and low-end devices with Agilex 5 and 3, and now do a RF focused Agilex 9 product, so I really doubt it's going anywhere: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/fpga/agilex.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/fpg...
  • sounds 3y ago
    The whole hardware industry has boom/bust cycles because the margins are thinner. Intel can easily launch a new small form factor line, with a new name, next year if the market is looking good.
  • theandrewbailey 3y ago
    That sounds a lot like Google, but Intel doesn't throw as many things at the wall to see what sticks. NUCs have been around for 10+ years; that's much longer than Stadia or Reader.
  • wtallis 3y ago
    Intel also developed a track record of only being able to do a good job on one x86 design at a time. Doing Pentium M and Pentium 4 at the same time didn't work out so well, and neither did Core and Atom. And then for a several years the number actually dropped to zero as they had to keep recycling their existing designs and couldn't get a successful post-Skylake architecture out the door. Now that they're shipping both Core and Atom lineages on the same silicon, they might do a bit better at not leaving one to fall into irrelevance.
• brucethemoose2 3y ago
  In theory I liked these things. ...but in practice I never got one, because they were always so expensive. The same hardware can be found in a laptop for much less.
  • hooverd 3y ago
    Same story. I looked at a NUC as a possible SFF PC, balked at the price, and ended up buying a Lenovo M93p Tiny off a guy on Craigslist for a lot less.
    • milsorgen 3y ago
      I fell in love with Lenovo and HP SFF/'tiny pcs' a couple years ago. It can be tricky to find ample display outs in a preferred hardware configuration but otherwise they've been cheap, quiet, reliable and efficient. I realized as much as I like the tech and even idea of gaming, I don't game much anymore at all so without the need for a proper GPU these things have really simplified computing in my life to the point I have very capable extra hardware for projects and experiments ready to just plug in and go. 10/10 will buy more again
      • hooverd 3y ago
        I run mine headless. It's a great little x86 box for Jellyfin/home automation/logging/anything I want to run inside my local network that doesn't need graphics and won't accidentally get turned off.
      • inversetelecine 3y ago
        Not to mention you can buy off-lease ones usually for $200-$300 USD that will do most everything except mid&high end gaming or complex 3D CAD.
  • pjmlp 3y ago
    Same here, I wanted to have a mini desktop to transplant the hard drive of a dying laptop, so I was looking into them, and exactly because of that I gave up.
• adrian_b 3y ago
  This is sad, because the Intel NUCs were some of the last computers with adequate technical documentation. For most modern computers you cannot be 100% sure about what you get for your money, until you have them in your hands and you can run tests yourself. By then, if you discover that the computer is not exactly what you want, it is too late. You cannot get your money back because the computer is not defective, it is just different from what you expected. There are helpful published product reviews, but those do not cover all products, especially not most of the cheaper versions. In recent years, many small Chinese companies have introduced various small computers that are much more innovative than the latest Intel NUC models, but they have little or no documentation (at least in English) and they frequently have manufacturing quality problems, so the Intel NUCs will be missed. Moreover, until now nobody has made good computers with 35 W CPUs and with a volume of less than 0.5 L or good computers with 45 W CPUs and with a volume of less than 0.7 L, except Intel. All the alternatives use either bigger cases or less powerful CPUs.
  • wtallis 3y ago
    I had the same feeling of disappointment when Intel exited the consumer motherboard business. I bought one of their Ivy Bridge generation motherboards for my PC build at the time because it was the only one that I could confirm had the features I wanted. The motherboard manual listed details like the part numbers for the SuperIO, Firewire and audio chips, the location of the temperature sensors on the board, the current ratings for the fan headers. I knew exactly what I was getting, and knew there was no reason to shell out for a more "high end" motherboard because there wouldn't have been any improvement to any functionality I cared about.
    • cududa 3y ago
      Man do I miss the days of DFI motherboards when their engineers would pop into the overclocking community and share code snippets of relevant BIOS firmware. The things were so well documented there were something like 3 or 4 third-party BIOS distributions. Then there was their community and RMA manager Dona. That woman had to be one of the hardest working people I've ever encountered. She must have slept like 5 hours a day. People could post on some obscure forum about a defect and she'd find the post and make it right. One time, when I was around 16 in 2007, I broke a very niche and specific overclocking record on DDR2 latency that still passed Memtest x86, and Dona hooked me the hell up. Suddenly started getting all sorts of companies sending me heatsinks, RAM, PSU's, etc to "review" if I wanted to. Sidenote to this tangent - I have to say, the ultra-fine grit sandpaper kit with 12 sheets in increasing grit, was absolutely my favorite. Learned how to sand a heatsink down to a near mirror finish and shaved a few degrees celsius off my de-capped AMD Opteron 165. DFI BIOS were famous for exposing the most settings for regulating RAM/ CPU/ Chipset/ GPU/ SATA/ PCI-E/ IDE communication and lanes. This guide/ participating in the DFI overclocking community probably taught me more about the fundamentals of computer science, and how all those electrons move around to make the sand think. https://forums.overclockersclub.com/topic/100835-the-definitive-dfi-amd-overclocking-guide-merged-all-the/ https://forums.overclockersclub.com/topic/100835-the-definit... Fun trip down memory lane.
• thefounder 3y ago
  The price was an issue. Not being fanless was another issue. So mac mini is the "best nuc" available.
  • kjkjadksj 3y ago
    Is there a mac mini model that hits a sweet spot on price and performance? I’d love to run a little cluster of mac minis. Maybe one of the intel ones so you could just throw on linux and something like slurm or pbs?
  • sixothree 3y ago
    Zero expandability makes it a nope for me.
  • jwells89 3y ago
    Depending on situation, the way NUCs typically needed external power bricks also made them less attractive. Mac minis aren't as small no, but the size difference for having the PSU be internal is minimal and it eases power strip woes.
    • 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
      Price aside, the power brick was always a huge annoyance that kept me from getting one. Now that usbc gan chargers can hit 100W, I keep hoping for a mini pc option that runs a ~65W class CPU with integrated GPU on a non proprietary charger.
      • plagiarist 3y ago
        This would be incredible. Multiple USB-C ports would be nice as well.
      • diffeomorphism 3y ago
        That exists and is common, e.g. the usual chinese brands (minisforum, beelink,....) have usb c pd in.
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• rx_tx 3y ago
  I had a 6th gen and now a 11th gen NUC (both used) as a little home server to run docker/plex . (since the intel chips can do transcoding pretty well). Runs so well, cool and quiet in a closet shelf. They will be missed, I guess I'll have to look at similar devices from non-Intel in the future.
• blahyawnblah 3y ago
  I've had one for about 7 years now that's been my htpc. Nice, little, quiet, and it worked great. Was thinking about upgrading soon. Guess I'll have to figure something else out.
  • electrosphere 3y ago
    I wanted one for this purpose to replace a Dell Optiplex SFF running Kodi. It's dual-core CPU and cannot decode x265 efficiently. The NUCs are a bit too expensive though and plenty of x264 content still available.
    • bamfly 3y ago
      YMMV but I've found my watching:fiddling-with-the-system ratio to be way higher with Jellyfin than it ever was in my years and years of trying and failing to enjoy Kodi/XBMC. And it's way more usable for other members of my family, who tended to look at Kodi and (understandably) just go "nope, not touching that". If they actually tried they'd usually need me to rescue them from some weird, useless mode they'd gotten stuck in, before they managed to watch anything. Zero such trouble with Jellyfin. And the (web) admin interface is so much nicer & faster to use, on the rare occasions that I do need to go change something. Again, I get that some people find Kodi OK, but it might be worth taking a look if you're not totally, entirely happy with it. Similar issue with x265 content though. I've solved that by just using Apple TVs for our two TVs—also fixes any worries about surround not outputting correctly or whatever, that you can run into with hacked-together solutions. Spendy, but they've wasted none of my time and have never not-worked. Any other devices we connect to it with (laptops, desktops, tablets, phones) all support x265, so that's a non-issue. Maybe newer Rokus support x265, IDK, but none of mine do, which is the only reason I'm not still using those as my set-top client devices. (if you stick with Kodi, though: RPi4 supports hardware x265, I think)
      • skirmish 3y ago
        For running Kodi, this player worked very well for me for years now: https://osmc.tv/vero/ https://osmc.tv/vero/ They have hardware x264 and x265 decoding, support is great too.
• anotherhue 3y ago
  The 100th or so announcement of "Market driven company reduces expenditure in non-core business areas due to changing monetary environment". They all start to blend together really, 0%IR BS washing away and revealing who's swimming naked.
• pipo234 3y ago
  We bought a couple of i7 NUCs every time a new generation was launched, mainly to have access to the latest GPU features. That is, we hoped to use Intel's MFX Media SDK for transcoding h264 (or even h265) video. Unfortunately both the SDK and the hardware were too much of a moving target, going from software to hardware only, Windows only then later linux only on CentOS, then only on Ubuntu, then (partially) open source. Dropping support for older generations, breaking API changes. Opaque licensing policies. At some point we gave up and simply went with ffmpeg. Works great on AMD too, or ARM for that matter. Still using a NUC as main development machine, extremely fast and mostly quiet.
  • alliao 3y ago
    how does it compare with Apple silicones? M1/M2 the mac mini seem like a no brainer at those prices for transcoding?
    • Arn_Thor 3y ago
      I think that'll depend on the use case. last I checked, 4k transcoding + tone mapping was still not working right on Plex.
    • pipo234 3y ago
      Haven't tried, but I don't expect it to be competitive. Note that software transcoding means: CPU only, and M1/M2 is still just a bunch or ARM cores. We've tested on Amazon's Graviton 2 and 3 systems and so-far found them to be on par or slightly cheaper than their x86-64 counterparts. But this is mostly due to AWS aggressive pricing of ARM systems, which is quite the contrary for Apple hardware. MacMini's currently are approximately twice as expensive as the Intel i7 NUC, Gigabyte Brix and similar hardware we bought. Also, dev tools targeting server software development on Apple hardware (ie. Linux, please!) are still wanting.
• drcongo 3y ago
  Does NUC stand for something? Is it an Intel sub-brand or a more general classification?
  • c-hendricks 3y ago
    The Next Unit of Computing. Pretty sure it's just an intel-ism that caught on.
  • gorkish 3y ago
    It stands for "Next Unit of Computing"
  • toast0 3y ago
    Intel coined NUC as "Next Unit of Computing" in 2012. I don't believe they claim a trademark on the term, but I've not seen any other company use it. There's plenty of other products with a similar footprint, it's about as small as you can shrink a board with a mainstream laptop chip with modular memory and storage, and a decent amount of ports.
    • drcongo 3y ago
      Thanks all.
  • giobox 3y ago
    It's Intel branding for their SBC efforts - "Single Board Computer", I'd argue. While officially it stood for "Next Unit of Computing", every Intel NUC was effectively an SBC more or less, from designs small enough to fit in an HDMI dongle to Mac Mini style units. The SBC architecture is what permits the form factors. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer
• jauntywundrkind 3y ago
  They only targeted enthusiasts but there's incredible competition above and below. Down market, there are way cheaper 1L business PCs which are mass produced for businesses but work great for consumers wanting small quiet (or not, 65w options also available) systems. Up market, there's all manner of small form factor gaming PCs and others. Intel did have a knack for having interesting twists & innovations, but they rarely were must have advantages. Building the whole PC on a card was an interesting & useful move, for their gaming Extreme series. Skull Canyon back in 2016 showed a power density and level of integration that the world didn't know had been possible. The price has always been high, too high for critical success, but I thanks Intel for pushing new things & pushing the market. https://www.anandtech.com/show/10343/the-intel-skull-canyon-nuc6i7kyk-minipc-review/8 https://www.anandtech.com/show/10343/the-intel-skull-canyon-...
  • giantrobot 3y ago
    Every time I looked at getting a NUC when I wanted a SFF system I ran into this problem. If I just needed a low power Linux box I could get a cheapo Atom device or even just a Raspberry Pi. If I needed more power a SFF PC, a laptop, or even a Mac mini was usually an overall better buy accounting for my time invested.
  • inversetelecine 3y ago
    I buy 2-4 year old Dell (or similar) micro desktops just for this reason. Just enough upgradability (SSD/RAM, sometimes even CPU) and just enough power but runs cool and quiet. Recently bought a lot of 10 Dell Optiplex Micros for around $1,200 USD all ready to go (9th gen / 16GB DDR4 / 512GB SSD, Win10 Pro) for a small business that works on spreadsheets and basic data entry all day. Replaced old desktop towers and employees were happy to have more free desk/working space.
  • phpisthebest 3y ago
    >>cheaper 1L business PCs They are only cheaper if you are buying the higher end units, and comparing them to the higher end NUC's like the Skull Canyon If you get down into the Celeron Models and the price really can not be beat. I have bought a TON of Celeron NUC's to run as Kioks, Signage, and other Single Application purposes, never found anything from Lenovo, Dell, etc that could beat the price
• gorkish 3y ago
  Of all the NUCs they ever made; there is one singular model with 10G ethernet. And yeah good luck getting it. The lack of any significant IO to the outside world crippled these things massively. I tried to order 3 NUCs once; after waiting 6 months for stock, I gave up. Seems nothing will actually be lost. Anybody make ANYTHING that is nuc-like and has 10G+? HP Elitedesk 800 mini has a flexio option for a single 10g port, but it's the only similar thing I have discovered.
  • rx_tx 3y ago
    The modern ones have thunderbolt 3 or 4, so you have to get a dongle, but you can get a lot more IO going (including 10G)
    • rnk 3y ago
      Great point. But also I think a company like Intel deliberately segments aka removes useful functionality from cheaper systems, wanting to protect the very profitable, more expensive systems with better ethernet or whatnot.
  • goosedragons 3y ago
    Mac mini? It's a BTO option though. You can also just get a mini PC with Thunderbolt and add a 10gb nic that way.
  • ndriscoll 3y ago
    Looks like there's some stuff on aliexpress like [0]. 2x10G SFP + 4x2.5G + 6 SATA ports for $343 bare seems like a pretty great NAS box on paper, assuming the processor and internal IO can actually handle everything. There's also [1] with 2x10G SFP and 3x2.5G for $276. Personally I'm hoping for something with 10G SFP + 6xSATA + an N305 processor, which I think doesn't exist yet. On paper, the N305 is almost 2x as good as the i5-6600 I have in my desktop, and these things use almost no power, so that'd make for a killer home server/NAS. [0] https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805527368249.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805527368249.html [1] https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803996127706.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803996127706.html
• ortusdux 3y ago
  This could be good news for Framework. For me, the ability to upgrade a laptop's main board and then use the old one like a NUC is a big selling point. As their userbase grows it will be easer to pickup used boards for cheap.
  • paulrpotts 3y ago
    I guess? I mean, I would happily consider a Framework mini-PC, but buying literal laptop boards when I don't actually want a laptop, and then having to, what, cobble together a power supply and case, etc? I found it a lot more convenient to buy a barebones NUC, put in some Crucial RAM and an SSD... considerably cheaper too.
    • ortusdux 3y ago
      They sell a case for $40 on their site. Assembly is about as complex as adding Crucial RAM and an SSD to a barebones NUC. For power, you can use just about anything that will deliver 60W+ over USB C. https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case
      • paulrpotts 3y ago
        Interesting... thanks. I was not aware these existed. Also, the mainboards are expensive, but not as expensive as I thought.
        • dharmab 3y ago
          The main use case is for users who upgraded their mainboard and want to reuse their old board for a home server or something
  • user_7832 3y ago
    If you have space, sure. But if I'm not mistaken, NUCs are 4"x4". For some folks (like me) that's unfortunately a bummer.
• Covzire 3y ago
  I wish Intel or someone would get into the enthusiast firewall market. Very High GHZ 2 to 4 core CPU, 2 to 4 NICs, x86, <$250, 1-8GB soldered RAM, Simple M2, very basic video out, would be very popular for home firewalls and maybe even businesses with a decent IT department/person as a Firewall/VPN appliance.
  • jrockway 3y ago
    I've been looking for such a home firewall, but the power usage of an Intel box isn't competitive with the dedicated devices. Something like this seems nice: https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/vpn-router/er8411/ https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/vpn-router/er... But I don't actually have >1Gbps service yet, and haven't needed to use my backup connection, so I have so far not taken the plunge.
    • adrian_b 3y ago
      For the lowest cost, volume and power consumption, you can use a NanoPi R5C: https://www.friendlyelec.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=290 https://www.friendlyelec.com/index.php?route=product/product... This provides up to 4 x 2.5 Gb/s Ethernet ports, plus WiFi. The passively-cooled metal box has 2 x 2.5 Gb/s Ethernet ports, but you can add another 2 ports with Ethernet USB dongles. It has a slow quadruple 2 GHz Cortex-A55 CPU, but this is still very fast in comparison with the older Raspberry Pi models and its Ethernet and USB ports are much better than those of any Raspberry Pi, allowing full speed. The schematic of this firewall/router is public, which is good. Also, unlike for Intel or AMD CPUs, much more public documentation about the CPU is available, which makes it more trustworthy. The RK3568 CPU has good Linux support, but even so, an ARM-based computer can be recommended only to an experienced Linux user, because many problems can appear when attempting to install and configure various programs. For now, ARM-based computers can be recommended only when the cost of the computer, including the DRAM memory does not exceed $150. Starting at $150 for computer + DRAM, it is possible to find computers with Intel Alder Lake N CPUs (e.g. N100, N200 or i3-N305). These are much faster than any ARM-based computer, with the exception of those that are many times more expensive (like those sold by NVIDIA, MediaTek or Qualcomm).
• paulrpotts 3y ago
  This is disappointing - I own four of these. I deliberately bought the older new-old stock units that were on clearance prices. One sits on a shelf in my basement next to my Synology NAS, and is a headless Ubuntu box I use as a very low-end build server for my blogs and writing projects. It mounts a server directory, I VSCode into it and run Makefiles. It works wonderfully... plenty fast. One is a media server machine in our family room, mostly for streaming TV shows. One is currently waiting on a replacement fan. One is a Windows box for those rare times I need to run Windows specific programs for work. These were the perfect sweet spot for me between abusing low-end laptops and shelling out real money. My kids put them together with me and it was a nice learning experience for them, too. I was hoping I'd be able to upgrade/replace these piecemeal as needed. I guess I'll have to look into other replacements for when these give out.
• bamfly 3y ago
  I always wanted to like these, but they seemed consistently overpriced by like 30%. I'd price one out with all the necessary parts, and by the end it was always like, why am I not just buying a mac mini (or an RPi, for lower-intensity applications)?
  • stemlord 3y ago
    I would say there's a huge performance gap between the most powerful Pi and even a Nuc mini from 6 years ago. Hard to consider them in the same ballpark, use-case-wise.
    • hiatus 3y ago
      Strange this was downvoted. I put together a VR-capable nuc for under $1k, definitely not even in the same ballpark as a pi.
    • bamfly 3y ago
      The NUCs had a pretty wide range of processor options, and often fairly-old ones with low core counts from lower-end processor lines were still for sale—but never at what felt like the correct price to me, especially since they usually needed memory and a disk (the ones that came with those seemed like an even worse deal)
      • freeAgent 3y ago
        Even the low-end NUCs are much faster than the fastest Pi.
    • vbitz 3y ago
      I’ve done Coremark scores across a range of different systems including NUCs and Pi’s. A Pi 4 gets a single thread score of about 10k and a new entry level NUC gets about 20k. If you look at older systems a Beelink T4 Pro Mini (using a much older CPU) gets about 11k well within the same ballpark as a Pi4. Comparing that to a similar aged Pi a Pi3B gets about 4k score. For comparison a high end AMD Ryzen gets about 45K.
• dtx1 3y ago
  These Werke never a good market fit. They couldnt compete with normal medium Form factor builds on price, couldnt compete with chinese small nuc like computers in the low end (ironically using Intel chips) and raspberry pis for the SOC Space. They ended up being bad competitions for high end gaming PCs giving you notebook like power for desktop gaming prices. I'm surprised they survived this long.
  • jeffbee 3y ago
    > never a good market fit ... couldnt compete They sold over 10 million of these things.
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• missblit 3y ago
  My NUC Phantom Canyon is completely 100% silent after adjusting the fan curves to not turn on the fans until they're needed. It's awesome as an HTPC.
• pengaru 3y ago
  It's amusing how glacial the crumbling process is for behemoths like ibm and intel
• aidenn0 3y ago
  I tried a few different SBCs for my HTPC before biting the bullet and shelling out the $500 for a 11th generation NUC. It was worth every penny, as I've had zero issues with it since.
• DesiLurker 3y ago
  I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.
  • squokko 3y ago
    The Mac Mini is a totally different market: it 1) runs macOS 2) has Apple Silicon 3) has no competitors for running macOS 4) is the cheapest entry point into iOS development which is a high paying job
    • user_named 3y ago
      So you listed macOS three times, and then your last point is sort of not relevant
    • anthk 3y ago
      In the US, maybe. Android rules the rest of the world and Europe, Japan and China.
      • sgjohnson 3y ago
        > Europe definitely not
        • anthk 3y ago
          Spaniard here. Definitively yes. I know about France, Germany, Italy... and it's truly behind the Android market.
      • jtwaleson 3y ago
        Definitely does not rule so absolutely that you can ignore iOS development. In Western Europe my anecdata is that iPhone is winning with high frequency users.
• hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
  Second-hand HP Elitedesks with Ryzens offer much better bang for buck - and are quieter & less power hungry.
• xnx 3y ago
  I want to like these, but they hit the opposite of a sweet spot (sour spot? sore spot?): More expensive than a laptop (which also have a screen, keyboard, touchpad, speakers, etc.) and much larger than a dongle. The true "next unit of computing" now would be something like a Chromebox the size of a Chromecast.
  • antisthenes 3y ago
    The dongle is not a sweet spot for anything but low power embedded IOT stuff. Modern desktop computing takes at least 25-35W of consistent power, and there's absolutely NO way to fit that power envelope in a dongle factor, unless you surround it with a block of solid copper. > The true "next unit of computing" now would be something like a Chromebox the size of a Chromecast. meh.
    • xnx 3y ago
      Good point. I guess it's more likely that a mobile phone "desktop mode" will displays some of what NUC's were used for: https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-8-leak-usb-displayport-3338385/ https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-8-leak-usb-displaypor...
  • arka2147483647 3y ago
    The PC space really needs a new miniaturized case standard. The current ATX ones are too large for current components, and intel nuc is too integrated. Custom mini PC have odd things like long PCI riser cables because the ATX defined connectors are in the wrong place for mini pc builds.
    • 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
      We need a top-to-bottom motherboard and PSU redesign. At minimum, I would like to see something higher than 12v rails so powering GPUs was less ridiculous.
  • tracker1 3y ago
    The AMD models from MinisForum, BeeLink etc have been pretty competitively priced.
• user_7832 3y ago
  Given how common embedded/box PCs are (so many display boards and digital signages - at the restaurant/every kiosk, operating the dozens of automated processes we take for granted - or not, given it's HN) - I can't imagine the market not existing. Intel making poor business decisions/cost cutting, sure. But the market of box PCs is huge. And Intel is likely the best company on Earth to be able to leverage their knowledge and bring niche products to market that most companies can't even dream of designing (unless you're AMD/Apple/Nvidia - and even they don't have fab + design capabilities.) As someone who was hoping to use a NUC as a computer/laptop, I am dissappointed in Intel.
• antisthenes 3y ago
  There are too many copycats in this space. Although I am thankful to Intel for starting the NUC trend, at this point they no longer provide good value in this segment. Their units are generally higher price than competitors at the same hardware level (even using the exact same Intel CPUs).
• a13o 3y ago
  I thought these might eventually have their day with a GaN PSU and a touch screen, running Windows 10+. Kind of like the Continuum vision Microsoft had for Windows Phone; carry a little brick around and dock it as needed. But we have cell phones, tablets, and SoC, so NUC doesn't really excel at anything
• bri3d 3y ago
  There are other SFF PCs available which were more competitively priced than NUCs to start with: Minisforum and Geekom are two popular brands I've used. There are also various SFF desktop PCs from major manufacturers like HP EliteDesk Mini which can be found dirt cheap at corporate auctions. I have an Intel 11th-gen/Tiger Lake Geekom IT11 running as my "home server" with Frigate, HomeAssistant, and so on. It works great, and using OpenVINO for object detection inference and QuickSync for video leaves a ton of headroom for other uses too. The only disadvantage to these, which was shared by NUCs, is that you need to use Thunderbolt for >Gbit Ethernet connectivity.
  • silisili 3y ago
    I switched from NUC to Minisforum. I will say that the NUC is vastly more stable/better QC, as I've gotten a bad Minis and read others have as well. That said, the UM790 is probably the best machine I've owned of any type. An absolute steal compared to NUC.
• obscurette 3y ago
  I've bought quite a few Intel NUCs through years, because it was the only mini PC available here with HDMI CEC support.
• pavon 3y ago
  Man it's a bad season for small form factor computers. I have four small home computers that are all NUC or PC-engine depending on needs, and now both are discontinued. The NUCs were difficult to justify on price alone, but whenever I looked all the reputable competitors were larger and/or louder.
• TheChaplain 3y ago
  Sad news. :/ Their NUC's are amazing as home servers.
• petercooper 3y ago
  I've always been a fan and have owned a few, but this market is being absolutely flooded with options right now, so I'm not surprised. ETA PRIME is a good YouTube account to follow if you're interested in such things as he seems to review a different mini PC each week (in between all the handheld PCs and SBCs).
  • klardotsh 3y ago
    I will caution against ETA PRIME. Dude never has a single negative word to say about anything, his channel amounts to a marketing department for Beelink/Minisforum/etc. His GTR6 review (I own one of these machines) didn't talk much or at all about the notorious noise or stuttering problems that plague this machine, for example. I have little reason to trust many of his other reviews in light of that - he puts reviews out quickly before the device hits the market, which is certainly a niche (no real competition to his reviews), but then the devices come out and it's a grab bag as to whether his experiences will match your own (the /r/minipcs subreddit had various accounts of this before I quit reddit)
    • petercooper 3y ago
      Fair enough! I use his channel as a way to keep up to date with what exists and is happening in the space rather than for objective reviews (since little he reviews is available in my country anyway) but others might want to take heed of your note.
• apawloski 3y ago
  That’s a shame. After building a few of my own computers/servers with used parts over the years, I switched to buying used NUCs for my last two projects (computer in my shed/workshop for basic CAD, and a quicksync plex transcoding box). I’ve found them more meaningfully powerful than a raspberry pi but much smaller than a large computer. I was hoping with ARM advancements that we’d see some super low power NUCs in the future.
  • viraptor 3y ago
    Same here, I'm really going to miss that. I've been using the discontinued lower-end NUCs from eBay as home servers and they're amazing for that purpose. Does anyone know of a similar deal to be had from another brand? (Apart from optiplex - I see the recommendations already and they do look nice)
• MongoTheMad 3y ago
  Dell Optiplex 5050. Cheaper, bundled, and free year warranty. Power draw is about 6w. I have one as a k8s node and thinking about another.
  • xgbi 3y ago
    The form factor is way bigger than a NUC that fits on a vga mount!
    • _whiteCaps_ 3y ago
      There's a bunch of different models of the 5050 (poor branding on Dell's part IMO). OP is probably talking about the micro version.
      • MongoTheMad 3y ago
        Yeah, I was referring to the slim version.
• pipes 3y ago
  "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will" Steve Jobs
• thefz 3y ago
  Gutted. I run an i3 bought in 2014 as a mini Tailscale router and Plex music server, along as other servies like PiHole. That thing has never been shut off and is still performing well at its third or fourth os upgrade!
  • smileybarry 3y ago
    I just bought a Raptor Lake NUC. The box is physically sitting on my desk, unopened. And it seemed like they finally hit a good price-to-performance balance with the Alder Lake + Raptor Lake P-chip NUCs.
• Svetlitski 3y ago
  The only place I ever encountered these was in the computer labs in Soda Hall at Berkeley. They’re a great fit for an environment like that so there’s one machine for each person without needing the extra space for a traditional tower. But I imagine outside of situations like this where you need something that’s not locked down for programming, Chromebooks have probably taken the lion’s share of the education market.
• influx 3y ago
  I loved using these for dev boxes or even servers, everything was compatible with Linux straight out of the box. Damn. :(
• simmons 3y ago
  Oh, I'm sorry to hear this. :( I've bought many NUCs over the years. I'm literally sitting in my office right now with 8 NUCs set up -- 1 as a workstation, and 7 as servers performing various tasks. I know people have always complained that they are a bit more expensive than the alternatives, but I'm willing to pay a premium for the excellent Linux compatibility and reliability. That said, I've been expecting this for quite some time. I doubt the NUC line made a lot of money for them -- their stated goal with NUC was for these machines to be demonstrations of what can be done with their hardware. In their current situation, I'm not surprised that they decided this was needed to increase their focus. I guess I'll be shopping around for alternatives at some point.
  • imtringued 3y ago
    >but I'm willing to pay a premium for the excellent Linux compatibility and reliability. Yeah it is quite strange. Even the Vision Five 2 RISC-V has better software support than your usual ARM SBC. The big caveat is that the opensource drivers only support Vulkan but Imagination ™ has planned on releasing a Vulkan based OpenGL implementation. Of course application software support is worse than ARM because of recompilation but that is a trivial barrier. If the hardware is any good, distros and developers will compile their packages for the new ISA.
    • Koshkin 3y ago
      Sure. Except NUC has Intel inside, not ARM.
    • pabs3 3y ago
      I don't think the VF2 Linux kernel patches are in mainline yet? Many ARM SBCs are in mainline.
      • snvzz 3y ago
        Not all patches are there, but an impressive amount[0] already is, despite how young this platform is. 0. https://rvspace.org/en/project/JH7110_Upstream_Plan https://rvspace.org/en/project/JH7110_Upstream_Plan
• yair99dd 3y ago
  nuc board pc lineup is great, we used dozens of those in our multi camera rigs. Hope to find a replacment. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark.html#@PanelLabel70406 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark.html#@PanelLabel...
• barbariangrunge 3y ago
  Those things were cool. I wanted to buy one for years, just couldn’t find one in person. I was going to screw it to the back of my monitor to get a Linux all in one like setup going Man. Maybe I should grab one before it’s too late. Why do companies keep killing their coolest products?
  • Saris 3y ago
    There are tons of USFF / Micro form factor PCs from Dell, HP, and Lenovo on ebay, they're often a lot cheaper than the NUC too because they're usually old business hardware being sold off in bulk. The NUC is neat but it's certainly not the only PC in that style out there.
• mikerg87 3y ago
  Sad in a way. the classic NUC form factor is all I expect we will see going forward. I don't expect we will see anything interesting or different like the beast canyon, ghost canyon or raptor canyon form factors again
• kylecazar 3y ago
  One of those products I've always been on the verge of buying but never pulled the trigger. I'm now looking at the System 76 Meerkat to fill the same void.
  • freeAgent 3y ago
    I’m pretty sure those are rebranded NUCs, so don’t wait too long.
• a1o 3y ago
  I was admiring my old Intel atom passive cooled boards and an now non-working Motorola Smartphone with also an Intel atom. I still think fondly about those x86 initiatives.
• SilverBirch 3y ago
  The NUC was a great idea delivered by a company that was totally opposed to it by design. You had big fat inefficient Intel cores crammed into low TDP applications and to make matters worse they wanted massive margins. Could’ve been a fantastic product delivered by ARM or some smartphone manufacturer.
  • fomine3 3y ago
    Not so much inefficient unless you run it at high clock all time.
• samsquire 3y ago
  This makes me sad, but fortunately there are many other manufacturers in this space. I have an NUC10i7FNB Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10710U CPU @ 1.10GHz, 1608 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s) NUC as my desktop computer. I love it! I work with IntelliJ for Java multithreaded software development usually with 12 software threads due to the 12 hardware threads, I work with up to 3 Lubuntu LXQT virtual machines simultaneously but usually just 1. It's 4" by 4" compact and I use a Anker bluetooth speaker with it and it has 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD.
• tiffanyh 3y ago
  Cloud Compute. Seems like a huge lost opportunity for by Intel not targeting the "consumer" cloud compute market with NUC's, because they wanted to protect their high margin server chip business. There's huge classes of workloads that a NUC would do just fine on for the cloud, and cloud operators would love the lower power & physical size of these NUC compute devices. AMD has embraced it, and you'll see 7000 chips at various cloud compute companies like OVH & Hetzner.
  • JoshTriplett 3y ago
    For that kind of use case, you'd want a blade server or similar, not a NUC. In particular, you'd want something that works with a rack.
    • tiffanyh 3y ago
      Something like this? https://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/ https://hackaday.com/2012/12/09/160-mac-minis-one-rack/ 160 Mac Mini’s in a rack. That’s ~4-nodes / 1U. And you don’t have the added expense of the blade enclosure.
      • fomine3 3y ago
        It's a thing because Apple doesn't sell rack mount Mac. Blade servers must be better for cost, cooling and high reliability.
        • tiffanyh 3y ago
          Apple does in fact sell a rack mount Mac. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/rack
• Aromasin 3y ago
  Funny enough, I predicted this in a previous HZ comment 3 months ago when they cut their server systems business. > "My guess is that they're cutting the portfolio down to feature only chipsets and add-in cards. Just CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs, ASICs, networking. It makes sense if anything - it really focuses on their core business. No more side-projects with questionable profitability. In the last 2 years since Pat Gelsinger took over, they've cut RealSense, Movidius, Optane Memory, IPO'd MobileEye, and now exited the Server Systems business. The only odd-ball left are their NUC business." If any hedge funds are looking for analysts, I'm always open to offers... It's sad to NUCs go, but it was inevitable. They made products for customers, while simultaneously competing with said customers. It's hard to build any decent partnerships on that premise. I'm currently typing this on a Serpent Canyon NUC though, so it's certainly bittersweet.
  • mschuster91 3y ago
    > It's sad to NUCs go, but it was inevitable. No business decision is inevitable and we should stop acting otherwise.
  • touisteur 3y ago
    A bit off mark on networking, looking at Tofino there. Could have maybe left barefoot alone, but no, buy it, hype it, actually tape out and start delivering nextgen, then cancel before people rack them.
    • unmole 3y ago
      > then cancel before people rack them It's worse than that. We built Tofino powered boxes. We have multiple paying customers who bought and deployed them. Intel then cancelled it, screwing us and our customers.
    • Aromasin 3y ago
      I was thinking more so their Ethernet and Wireless product portfolio than the Tofino line: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/overview.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/overview.ht... With regards to Tofino, I think they've looked at the portfolio and realized they can fill that niche with their FPGA products. Looks like they've stripped out all the useful IP from Barefoot and repackaged it to be used on a Stratix/Agilex chips, or as tiles on their other devices.
• teekert 3y ago
  Shame, I love NUCs, I have several. They always felt like high quality, energy efficient, silent and quite beautiful mini PCs to me. Never even considered another brand. They all always just worked with any Linux I put on them.
• phendrenad2 3y ago
  NUCs seemed like they pushed too far along the price/size curve. People are generally okay with a midsize tower (or even a laptop with an external monitor). Maybe if they used actual laptop mainboards they could have reduced cost.
• nologic01 3y ago
  I guess Intel is not the kind of company that would reinvent itself with a "iphone moment". Granted the idea of a personal home cloud is not exactly radical and Intel does not have an OS (though they could adopt linux) but its not a stretch of imagination to think every home running one or more such devices. The challenge of navigating the post-Moore's law era clearly requires focus as a few more missteps (whatever happened to Xeon Phi?) could be terminal. The best way to survive an uncertain future is to shrewdly engineer one to your liking, rather than chase others working on their own strengths.
• sleepydog 3y ago
  That's a shame. I remember reading about the P14e laptop chassis. For me, it looked like the perfect laptop: 3:2 screen, ethernet port, trackpoint, decent battery. I didn't really care about the modularity. I could only find them for sale in bulk, or from a German company that re-branded them. I came this close to just buying a lot of 5 and trying to sell 4 on ebay, but I had a suspicion I would never be able to find parts for it if it broke, so I ended up buying a used T480 instead. It's over twice as heavy, but I think I made the right choice.
• yyyk 3y ago
  $#@! Intel NUCs were great small boxes with excellent Linux support (the only thing that doesn't work in Linux - custom fan control). In retrospect, NUCs were always the red-headed stepchild for Intel, last to get processor availability, so may that should have been expected. Any comparable brand with good Linux support?
  • agundy 3y ago
    System76 makes a similar sized unit called the Meerkat though I’m not sure how much it compares in other specs besides runs Linux and size. https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat
• ugh123 3y ago
  I believe System76's Meerkat line is rebranded NUCs. Other brands out there might be using it too. What's their alternative? https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat
• andrewstuart 3y ago
  Makes sense to me, not competing with manufacturers.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  While I am lamenting this, I also never bought one. It's my fault.
• FpUser 3y ago
  Probably too much competition from other countless small factor vendors. I did not know Intel was making servers
• jtokoph 3y ago
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• NelsonMinar 3y ago
  I sure wish someone made ARM systems like an Intel NUC, with reasonable Linux support.
• ISL 3y ago
  :(. I've been happy with NUCs. I've been very happy to pay a premium for a product I'd certain would be consistent. In fact, I've recently been trying to find a NUC-like system that could accommodate a 3.5" drive -- does anything modern exist?
  • Sunspark 3y ago
    You could use an external enclosure for the drive.
• ww520 3y ago
  This is sad news. I have two NUC's. The old one I got 6 or 7 years ago and still runs great, as a headless Linux server. The newer one serves as a daily Windows driver.
• b212 3y ago
  Argh as a Mac user I was thinking about getting a NUC for gaming as the Iris chipsets were getting more powerful. Can you guys recommend something NUC- sized that runs Windows and could handle, let’s say, GTA V?
  • brianm 3y ago
    beelink or minisforum have you covered
• bhouston 3y ago
  Said as I had owned more than a couple nucs over the years.
• fomine3 3y ago
  It's interesting to see posts about reason why people chose NUC rather than other options. There are now many followers in this space so it's natural decision, but I wish they fill some niches.
• footlose_3815 3y ago
  NUCs were obsoleted by those super cheap micro towers. Id go pi or micro tower. Huge markup on those NUCS
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• NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  So would you say that this means that Intel is dropping the NUC?
• darksim905 3y ago
  This is an absolutely ridiculous move by them.
• batoure 3y ago
  this makes me sad I have bought and used NUCs for our company for almost every single generation since the beginning
• musicale 3y ago
  I thought the NUC12 Extreme gaming/minitower NUC was a nice machine. Seemed to be a decent value for performance in its small form factor. What are some good third party equivalents to the NUC12 and (larger) NUC13?
• elkos 3y ago
  I was looking for an Intel NUC 13 i5 since I have a very limited workspace at home and to my understanding Intel has a very decent quality offering and Linux support. Which alternatives would people suggest?
  • adrian_b 3y ago
    For now, you can still buy a $500 NUC13ANKi5 (slim, only M.2 SSDs) or NUC13ANHi5 (tall, also a 2.5" SSD/HDD) without worries. What Intel said is that they will not launch any new models, so the future NUC with a Meteor Lake CPU must have been canceled, or perhaps sold to a partner like ASRock. The best alternatives are from ASUS, Beelink and Minisforum. Alternatives with lower performance, but perhaps also lower prices, are from Gigabyte, Zotac, ASRock and ASRock Industrial, and from a lot of smaller Chinese companies, which are the cheapest, but which also have more variable quality. If your target had been an i7 Raptor Lake, then at the same price you could have bought a SFF with a much faster AMD Phoenix CPU (Ryzen 7 7840U, Ryzen 7 7840HS or Ryzen 9 7940HS). Because you want a medium performance medium price computer, you can find at a lower price than a Raptor Lake i5, i.e. under $500, SFF computers with the Ryzen 7 7735HS CPU (Zen 3+), which are faster and which also have a much faster GPU.
    • elkos 3y ago
      Well to be honest my major concern on the ASUS, Beelink, Minisforum alternatives esp with the 7735HS is Linux compatibility and thermal management. If my setup can play well with Debian or Arch I'm sold.
      • adrian_b 3y ago
        There are frequently reviews about thermal management and Linux compatibility of such small computers at sites like: https://www.servethehome.com/ https://www.servethehome.com/ https://www.phoronix.com/ https://www.phoronix.com/ The thermal management seems to have been significantly improved in many models of this year in comparison with the models from previous years, but you cannot make guesses about it without seeing a credible review. I have not heard of any problems in Linux with the recent AMD models. While AMD still does not provide a comparable software support to Intel, at least recently the delays in providing kernel and drivers updates for their new products seem to have been reduced.
• danielEM 3y ago
  that is a bad news for SimulaVR - https://www.reddit.com/r/intelnuc/comments/uxf6g7/simulavr_is_making_a_laptop_for_your_face_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/intelnuc/comments/uxf6g7/simulavr_i...
• unixhero 3y ago
  What is a solid alternstive to NUCs?
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• Farfignoggen 3y ago
  So this is just another OEM market that Intel does not want to be an OEM in and for Mini Desktop PCs that for the Most part Utilize BGA Packaged "Mobile" Processors. And BeeLink and Minisforum/others do have Intel Based Options and have sometimes even used the NUC/NUC "Canyon" branding for those OEMs' Intel processor based options. So maybe Intel can Keep the NUC Branding around for its Mini desktop PC OEM Partners to utilize and even some of that NUC "Canyon" IP that Intel has developed can be lent to Intel's OEM partners there to make use of ODM to OEM Style in any Intel based offerings from any OEM partners there. AMD's made a lot of headway there with its Ryzen APUs in Minisforum/BeeLink Mini desktop PCs but that's more because of the Integrated Graphics than any x86 CPU cores. And now there are Ryzen 7040 series Mini Desktop PCs from BeeLink/Minisforum using those "Mobile" Ryzen BGA packaged APU variants that have been allotted 65W cTDPs by the OEMs and that's the same cTDP(65W) that used to be only allocated for the Socket Packaged Ryzen G Series desktop APUs that are more DIY friendly there than BGA Packaged APUs. So OEMs will take over there for Intel and Intel can offer them the same Engineering In Kind sort of Assistance that Intel offers its Laptop OEM Partners there and Intel actually becomes a Laptop ODM of sorts to the Laptop OEMs where Intel designs a reference laptop at Intel's expense(ODM Style) for the Laptop OEMs to take that design and rebrand that as their own with minor value added additions for market segmentation there to sell to consumers. So Intel is no longer a NUC OEM directly but has given that over entirely to the Intel NUC OEM partners there just like on Intel processor based OEM laptops.
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  finally. I hope to see PCIe 7.0 before 6.0 when we are stuck at 5.0