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This isn't common, but it's pretty routine. Pilots are trained for this, and the aircraft are designed to handle the stress.
by devoutsalsa 3y ago
This isn't common, but it's pretty routine. Pilots are trained for this, and the aircraft are designed to handle the stress.
- InCityDreams 3y ago>the aircraft are designed to handle the stress. I was somewhat thinking of the passengers.
- sam_lowry_ 3y agoMechanical stress, they mean.
- Kye 3y agoPlanes have to be sturdy and flexible to handle the environment they spend most of their time cruising in. This is probably nothing next to the turbulence planes are expected to shrug off while maintaining a ground level environment eight miles up for decades of service life.
- madeofpalk 3y agoI was somewhat thinking of the mechanical stress of the passengers.
- cto_of_antifa 3y ago[dead]
- Kye 3y agoSeems like not much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUyYxWFFTpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUyYxWFFTpI I wonder if the passengers would even notice if they weren't warned to expect it. From what I understand, they don't let the front down until they're nearly stopped in these situations. You can tell when the nose drops, and it barely seems to register aside from the scraping noise and a little shaking.
- marcosdumay 3y agoPassengers happen to be surprisingly fragile.
- colejohnson66 3y agoWell, if the pilots are indeed trained on how to handle these situations, the passengers will be fine. Maybe a bit shaken up from having to evacuate on the tarmac (especially if they have a fear of flying), but they'll be fine.
- stef25 3y agoFlying for me ain't fun but as soon the bird is on the ground I'm all good!
- slumberlust 3y agoAye, but cross runway collisions are still a thing. I rest at the gate :D
- throwway120385 3y agoAny landing that you can walk away from is a good landing.
- throwawaymobule 3y agobased on the photos, they did pop the slides on this incident. but evacuations are often not called in these situations if there isn't a fire or something. there's a real risk of injury from evacuating, so it needs consideration by the pilot.
- Traubenfuchs 3y ago> I was somewhat thinking of the passengers. Everything that happened was well within the stress tolerance parameters of the majority of involved humans as well.
- jwestbury 3y agoThe prevalence of post-traumatic stress disorder would disagree.
- tekla 3y agoPeople are free to not use airplanes if a designed for maneuver gives them PTSD.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago> People are free to not use airplanes if a designed for maneuver gives them PTSD. You know, that's insensitive in terms of minimizing the suffering endured by people with bona fide PTSD, as well as dismissive. Because what do you suggest as an alternative? Drive an automobile, with higher accident rates than air travel? Walk across the street in traffic? Life is dangerous, choose your poison. I personally appreciate aviators and all air crews for really going all-in to make flying safe and tolerable, if not enjoyable. When I think of some of the crazy train or bus rides I've had, air travel is pretty amazing in comparison, especially at a bargain price. And I do suffer from (complex) PTSD, but thankfully such an incident as in TFA would not particularly trigger an episode. Thanks for caring.
- piva00 3y agoHere you can see a YT Shorts that a passenger inside the flight shot, it's actually much less stressful than I imagined: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W12w7NkqGCM https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W12w7NkqGCM
- mindslight 3y agoWhat's the actual point of Youtube Sharts? It just seems like encouragement for people to film vertically and not frame the shot well. And on the watching side you're pushed into a needlessly unfriendly UI. Like I generally just use the YT web interface and don't go out of my way to routinely yt-dlp or Newpipe, but now I might have to change that.
- devoutsalsa 3y ago[flagged]
- 4ggr0 3y ago> What's the actual point of Youtube Shorts? To be an alternative to TikTok, or Instagram Reels, or other short-form video platforms.
- mindslight 3y agoSure, I meant for the people actually using it. Like if you want TikTok just continuing using TikTok, which you know is "mobile-first" and thus craptastic in a regular browser but presumably you don't care. But Google seems to have just blindly copied TikTok and enshittified their existing product to push it, when they could have integrated it into normal Youtube and made something better than both.
- 4ggr0 3y agoWell I can talk about myself :) I don't want TikTok. Mostly because I don't want to use yet another app or account. Then there's the thing about it being from China, but to be honest, as a European it doesn't reeeally matter to me if an app is from the US or China. I did actually try TikTok during the pandemic but became too addicted due to constant WFH and boredom. I have Instagram because I like to upload my favorite pictures. Then they started with Reels, I checked it out, liked it, so I now use it. When I feel like Reels bore me, or that the algo seems to currently push things I don't care about[0], I switch over to YT Shorts. There, the youtubers I'm already subscribed to upload shorter videos and I generally see different kinds of videos. Instagram mostly shows me memes and cat videos. YT shorts is more about stand-up comedy bits, science stuff etc. So my usage of these apps depends on how I currently feel like. [0] Both Insta and YT sometimes start to flood me with content about annoying Entrepreneur/Online Marketing bs, Andrew Tate or far(ish)-right-wing trash or half-naked women. No amount of "not interested" seems to help, so I either switch app or do something else.
- WJW 3y agoInteresting! Do you know if it can just survive it and then needs to be scrapped or is it possible to replace the damaged hull plate(s) and (after thorough inspection) put the plane back into service?
- bombcar 3y agoThey can fix and fly this almost certainly.
- devoutsalsa 3y agoThey can most certainly repair the plane. If you've never heard of the "Gimli Glider", check this out... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
- glomgril 3y agoThat's an insane story. As much as I hate flying, modern aviation infrastructure is one of mankind's most impressive feats.
- chrisldgk 3y agoAirplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, but afaik the rate of making vessels like this airworthy is pretty high.
- lr1970 3y ago> Airplanes rarely get scrapped for parts because of incidents like this. They have pretty extensive maintenance and repair checklists, ... And yet these "extensive maintenance checklists" did not prevent such a serious malfunction. They were lucky that the weather was cooperating. In bad weather and strong winds who knows what would have happened.
- mrmlz 3y agoNobody is assuming "extensive maintenance checklists" are _preventing_ serious malfunction. They do however reduce the risk for such events to occur to an acceptable level. The likelihood for a malfunction is never zero.
- bombcar 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/@REALATCchannel/videos https://www.youtube.com/@REALATCchannel/videos made me realize just how many incidents happen and are resolved without issue.
- kube-system 3y agoAviation is not safe because of luck or because aerospace engineers build infallible machines. Aviation is safe because of a culture of safety that puts the right procedures in place to mitigate problems that will eventually happen.
- tialaramex 3y agoAnd when you say "Aviation is safe" you mean specifically Scheduled Aviation ie people buy tickets and go on a plane with some guys they've never met flying it. Scheduled Aviation is remarkably safe. GA (General aviation, people who own a little plane and maybe just fly it for fun, or it's a professional expense for say a plastic surgeon and allows them to fly 300 miles home on Thursday evening after working four days in the big city) is not safe. A few hundred of these people die, not just smash up their planes or get hurt, but die, sometimes with family or friends aboard, every year. It might make the local TV news, at most. Unless they were a celebrity it won't make national news. Commercial is more complicated because there are so many possibilities. Cargo is pretty safe, if your job is to move boxes of stuff from one big jet airport to another in a civilized country you'll likely die in bed of old age. But if you fly a police helicopter, or medevac, or you're a crop duster, or you fly custom pick up jobs, when the client wants and where they want - those jobs can go badly wrong much too easily, without you really understanding what you've got yourself into until it's too late. These people are (or at least should be) better trained than in GA, but they're also often flying more demanding missions. You may operate out of somewhere with not-so-great capabilities, on short notice, in poor weather and/or at night, and you may be expected to go places that you ordinarily wouldn't, close to buildings, close to other aircraft, even close to the ground - all of which narrows your options if things go wrong. Military is also pretty bad as I understand it. It needn't be, but there's some sense that the job is "supposed" to be dangerous, which maybe makes sense for front line infantry, but really not for the vast majority of military pilots - way too many of them die far from any enemy, as a result of somebody screwing up, just like in GA or commercial.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago> the aircraft are designed to handle the stress. I wonder how the runway fares after this.
- sowbug 3y agoNot answering your question, but a bit of interesting trivia for you. Large passenger airplanes routinely take off with too much fuel to land safely. If one took off, circled the airport once, and landed, then it might actually break apart on landing because of the mass of the fuel being sloshed around as the airplane touches down. That's why planes preferably dump or burn off excess fuel before an unscheduled early landing. There are also rules about exactly where a plane can touch down on the runway. Only some of a runway is engineered to be strong enough to bear the weight of a massive plane dropping onto the pavement. The rest is called a "displaced threshold" and is OK for parking, taxiing, and taking off.
- danpalmer 3y agoOooh, this is something I know a little about. At university we were tasked with building software for estimating the usable area of a runway given its configuration and obstacles. Runways have 3-4 different defined areas, each with different properties and usable in different ways. For example, the grass at the sides is important for safety, must be cleared a certain distance back, must not rise above a certain level above the tarmac, etc, and all those rules are distinct from the rules that apply to the concrete at the ends of the runway, distinct from the rules regarding surrounding buildings and trees, and so on. The area managed as a runway can extend kilometers out on every side. Now, if you have a plane break down at one end, or a support vehicle crash on the grass or something, you don't actually have to put the runway out of action, but you do have to re-declare the usable distance, and that's based on the location, size, and importantly height of the obstacle. You then need to plot the angle of landing/takeoff based on that height, accounting for the segment of the runway it's in, and the given runway's pre-approved angle (varies by city/terrain). It was a fascinating project and a good example of how problems are often so much more complex and nuanced than they initially appear.
- plegresl 3y ago
- interestica 3y agoIf you have the Flightradar24 app, you can get an alert any time an aircraft transponder squawks 7700 - Emergency. (While writing, a cesna over Oklahoma City just did)
- skykooler 3y ago@aircraft_alert@airwaves.social also posts on mastodon whenever an aircraft squawks 7700.