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• crazygringo 3y ago
  > The included charging dock is also a speaker. I've gotta say, charging docks are a killer feature for me and I don't understand why Apple doesn't do the same. There used to be the Logitech Base [1] that I still use with the previous-gen (9th) iPad, but the smart connector in the newest iPad (10th gen) is no longer compatible with it, as the angle of the edge changed. It's been years since I plugged in my phone or AirPods -- I only wirelessly charge. The idea that we should still be plugging in tablets with Lightning or USB-C is bizarre to me. A charging dock is the way to go, and it's so unexpected to me that Google realizes this while Apple doesn't. It's actually the only reason I haven't upgraded my iPad. [1] https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/ipad-accessories/base-ipad-pro-stand.939-001454.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/ipad-accessories/bas...
  • ablyveiled 3y ago
    Wireless charging kills batteries faster -- that's why I personally avoid it.
    • itsyaboi 3y ago
      How so?
      • rubatuga 3y ago
        Mostly the extra heat degrades the battery chemistry
        • itsyaboi 3y ago
          Perhaps this is an issue with a particular charger? I've yet to notice my phone get warm when charging wirelessly.
          • stevenhuang 3y ago
            The best wireless chargers I'm aware of are the magsafe ones which align the coils using magnets, improving efficiency and reducing heat.
    • pazimzadeh 3y ago
      Can you expand on this because I've noticed that my iPhone 13 mini's battery life has been quickly getting worse, and I use the magsafe charging a lot.
      • radicaldreamer 3y ago
        It's the heat generated with wireless charging which kills the battery, not the charging speed
      • Gigachad 3y ago
        Open the battery page in the settings and look at what % it has left. At 80% Apple suggests replacing it.
    • bryanlarsen 3y ago
      Wireless is usually a lot slower than plugging it in, so i suspect it'd be better on batteries rather than worse. But the best way to save your batteries is to not charge to 100%.
      • LeifCarrotson 3y ago
        I wish there were standard software in Android and iOS to limit charge percentage and battery temperature during charging. It's ludicrous to me that the default behavior is plugging in your phone to a 30W ludicrously fast charger when you go to bed in the evening, where it then climbs to 100% charge and holds there while you sleep. I should be able to tell it I'd like it to reach 85% charge as of the time my alarm goes off in the morning, timing that in a way that minimizes battery heating. My laptop, likewise, should be able to sit at 85% when on the docking station, potentially even syncing with my calendar to know when I have to leave and might need more battery or a more rapid charge before a meeting.
        • TexanFeller 3y ago
          > It's ludicrous to me that the default behavior is plugging in your phone to a 30W ludicrously fast charger when you go to bed in the evening, where it then climbs to 100% charge and holds there while you sleep. Apple already does something similar. It's not configurable beyond on/off but optimized battery charging on MBP, iPhone, and iWatch learns when you're normally awake and holds charging at ~80% overnight until a bit before your normal wakeup time. On MBP it holds at 80% most of the time during the day too if it learns you're rarely running on battery.
          • deprecative 3y ago
            On Android this is called Adaptive Charging and has been on my Pixels for several years at this point.
        • richev 3y ago
          > ludicrously fast charger when you go to bed in the evening This is why I never charge overnight. Just pop the phone on to charge while I'm having a shower in the morning, or in the evening while I'm having dinner. Those time windows seem enough to keep my phone (Pixel 5) sufficiently charged. > My laptop, likewise, should be able to sit at 85% when on the docking station Samsung laptops have/had this exact feature, which they called Battery Life Plus[1] [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20140101070825/https://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-extending-notebook-battery-life/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140101070825/https://www.samsu...
    • RandomThrow321 3y ago
      Do you have a source? I thought this has been thoroughly debunked.
      • stevenhuang 3y ago
        > thoroughly debunked. I wish people would stop using this phrase. Especially when they couldn't be more wrong. Heat degrades batteries, wireless charging generally comes with more heat from the lower efficiency. But at the end of the day it most likely won't matter as people get new phones every few years anyways.
        • shawabawa3 3y ago
          There are so many more factors than heat though For one, I thought charging slower was better, so could the increased heat be offset by that? Also, it's more heat per joule transferred, but over a longer period of time, is that not better than sudden heat from fast charging?
          • stevenhuang 3y ago
            Heat is the primary factor, and even with fast charging the inefficiencies of wireless charging will mean the latter will dump more heat into your phone. The constant current phase of fast charging does not generate much heat in comparison at given wattage as it's able to charge up your phone much more quickly at higher efficiency until it switches to trickle charging at ~80%.
        • illiac786 3y ago
          But fast charging makes batteries very hot too. Btw, you basically just asked people to know when they are wrong. Seems very optimistic...
          • stevenhuang 3y ago
            Where did I say fast charging doesn't make batteries hot? I've built LiPo packs from scratch and rebalanced cells manually, I know something about LiPo degradation.
    • hammyhavoc 3y ago
      Page 1 of Google seems to suggest the contrary. Source?
    • atherton33 3y ago
      The dock seems to be magsafe style contacts not wireless
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    • MBCook 3y ago
      This isn’t wireless, it’s basically pogo pins. It’s magnetically aligned/held, but that’s all.
  • RandomThrow321 3y ago
    I'm not going to get a Pixel Tablet, but I really do like the idea of a charging dock speaker.
    • koinedad 3y ago
      I like the dock idea as well
    • wccrawford 3y ago
      Couldn't you just get a Nest Mini and 3d Print a cover for it with a charging connector built-in? I know the existing tablets on the market don't lend themselves to being docked, but my point is what if you want a speaker and a tablet and a dock, and the speaker should work when the tablet isn't docked, it's actually just 2 devices jammed together.
  • mindvirus 3y ago
    The charging dock is cool, but feels like a missed opportunity to have it be a regular Google Home speaker when the tablet is undocked.
    • ehsankia 3y ago
      > undocked You mean docked? And is it not? I thought it basically acts like a Nest Hub Max [0] when docked? [0] https://store.google.com/ca/product/google_nest_hub_max https://store.google.com/ca/product/google_nest_hub_max
      • MH15 3y ago
        I believe they did mean "undocked" so if the tablet is in the other room the dock could operate as a Google Home independently.
        • ehsankia 3y ago
          Oh I see, so just the dock being a speaker by itself. Interesting. Yeah not sure if it has any real processing in it, or if it's purely driven by the tablet itself when connected.
          • outofpaper 3y ago
            It's a missed opertunity to add a teeny bit of compute to it. This dock is essentially the same as what Lenovo released a couple years back only that was also a bluetooth speaker.
            • Jedd 3y ago
              > teeny bit of compute You mean, a whole other processor + memory + firmware + microphone + network + ... ?
              • cachvico 3y ago
  • numpad0 3y ago
    It’s just my impression, but, to me we humans seem to instinctively avoid retuning a tool to where it have been found, likely to avoid allowing adversaries inspect it. We however tend to build a routine, and leaving objects to a key tray is okay so long the actions to pick up and returning mentally differs. What I’m saying is, I personally like the idea of cradles, but I seem to be a minority. Cables seem to be a more generally preferred solution.
  • madeofpalk 3y ago
    Apple has been rumoured to develop a HomePod/iPad dock thing for a while. I hope it happens (but not like this terrible mockup) https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/15/apple-ipad-dock-smart-home-display/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/15/apple-ipad-dock-smart-h...
    • vineyardmike 3y ago
      When I recently worked at <big consumer tech> we did “market research” and we basically came to the conclusion that apple is probably waiting to see reactions to pixel tablet dock to decide if it should be an iPad first or HomePod first.
      • Freedom2 3y ago
        What's interesting is that even when Apple follows a design or trend, their fans can often claim that Apple innovates it at the same time. For example, Android has had wireless charging and USB-C ages before Apple, but when Apple started to use them, their fans said something along the lines of 'Apple refined and innovated on the prototype concept, and are first to deliver a working, solid product', despite the Android ones working... fine? I wonder if we'll see the same with these docks.
        • seanmcdirmid 3y ago
          Apple still isn’t using USB-C for phone charging. How good are the MagSafe equivalents in android land?
        • chefandy 3y ago
          I'm not currently in the apple ecosystem at all, but am a long-time apple product user and have been on a first-name basis with hundreds of iPhone users since they came out. 100% of the awful statements and stances towards the android ecosystem or any of its constituents I've seen attributed to "apple fans" have come from people mad at apple and apple users. Zero percent– really— have I heard from actual Apple users. One of the big selling points of iPhones is that if you have a phone released within 3 or 4 years, you don't have to think about the capabilities of your phone. At all. I'm not saying they're objectively better, it's just geared towards users who want their phone to get out of the way and do it's thing, and that's fine. If there's a trove of apple users somewhere that have strong opinions about Android phones, I've never encountered them. I'll never understand why some people get so wrapped around the axle about phones.
  • pphysch 3y ago
    It's quite fascinating. Apple ships their tablet with a stylus, while Google ships theirs with a charger-speaker-dock. Apple is saying "this is for the creatives" while Google is saying "this is a home console".
    • plexicle 3y ago
      "Apple ships their tablet with a stylus" Huh?
      • pphysch 3y ago
        Yikes, I was under the impression that it was included in the $449. Nope, gotta drop another $100. My point stands: Apple has pen as primary accessory, Google has dock.
        • NikolaNovak 3y ago
          I mean, Galaxy Note has a pen but iPhone does not. Does that mean Samsung is for creatives but Apple is not? :-> Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed your theory, the thinking and rationale :). But given the pen is a whopping 100$ for Apple, not sure if it's as simple as that.
    • vineyardmike 3y ago
      Apple made or tried to make the operating system useful enough to use productively with a stylus and keyboard. Google has not yet. Remember the original iPad was very much NOT a keyboard/stylus device. Google is a few years behind, but fwiw their device supports Bluetooth keyboards and styluses they just don’t make a first party one.
      • bergie 3y ago
        Android has supported keyboards and mice pretty much forever, I think.
      • kllrnohj 3y ago
        Uh, Pixel C? Google did the magnetically attached keyboard that turns it most of the way into a laptop long before Apple did. And the keyboard part worked great.
  • adolph 3y ago
    Apple used to know how to do this: The Apple Macintosh PowerBook Duo Dock turns a PowerBook Duo into a full-featured desktop Macintosh including a 1.44 MB floppy disk drive, a complete set of desktop ports, and NuBus slots as well as the options of a secondary 230 MB hard drive and a 68882 FPU to improve performance. The Duo Dock is compatible with all of the grayscale PowerBook Duos (210, 230, 250, 280), but can also support the color Duos (270c, 280c, 2300c/100) with a replacement lid. https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_duo/specs/mac_powerbook_duodock.html https://everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_duo/specs/mac_p...
  • cheq 3y ago
    charging docks are cool, but they're a little inconvenient for traveling and portable needs
    • sokac 3y ago
      It can be charged via usb-c. > Can the Pixel Tablet charge with a regular USB-C® cord? > Yes, in addition to charging your Pixel Tablet with the Charging Speaker Dock, you will also be able to charge your Pixel Tablet with a USB-C® cord.1
  • LegitShady 3y ago
    I keep my ipad pro 2018 12.9" in a logitech slim folio that gives me the same standing position and all I need to do is plug in a usb-c to the ipad. The audio on the ipad pro is great, no need for another speaker in a dock. And along with a mouse it makes it an almost functional microsoft office experience, and folds down for drawing in procreate. The case just looks nicer. the keyboard case is more functional for me. https://www.logitech.com/en-ca/products/ipad-keyboards/slim-folio-ipad-keyboard-case.html https://www.logitech.com/en-ca/products/ipad-keyboards/slim-...
  • rendaw 3y ago
    Are charging docks not a way to avoid EU regulations around standardizing/unbundling charging cables?
    • blackoil 3y ago
      Charging Dock is one option you can charge using USB-C also.
    • shawabawa3 3y ago
      You have to include USB-C charging but that doesn't mean you can't use other charging methods (like the new Macbooks that have magsafe and USB-C)
  • usernew 3y ago
    here's the thing with wireless charing - and this may not apply to your use case. when you're plugged in, you're running on the cable. my laptop for example, which I set to charge to 80% and stop, is pretty much always plugged in unless I'm carrying it between rooms. my phone - an android phone - has always been plugged in to charge. the battery acts as a surge protector. now what happens when you wireless charge. your device is running on your battery, 24/7, charging and discharging while you sleep. Here I am with a phone that's over 10 years old, flashed with the latest android, that I use for email and sites like this or youtube about 3 hours per day, and infrequent navigation. maybe an hour of call time, about 5 hours of screen time per day. over a decade later, my battery lasts several days w/o a charge. my wife is probably more like you and I get her a new iphone every 3 years. she wireless charges - always. her battery life after 3 years of this, is absolute crap, because mine is discharging 5 hours/day, and hers is discharging 24 hours per day. what is bizarre is when people think plugging a cable into a reversible port is some kind of a task or inconvenience compared to placing it aligned on a round circle. please share your thought about the insurmountable inconvenience of having to press the pump on the soap dispenser instead, or having to turn the knob on a door.
    • modzu 3y ago
      wires are a mess.
    • wittekm 3y ago
      I do wonder if something like the MagSafe (laptop) adaptor would strike a happy medium. Also - I don't know if Apple's 15w Qi is strong enough for a tablet.
      • predakanga 3y ago
        You make a good point - there are loads of third-party magnetic charging cables out there, but I never saw the point when I have a wireless charger. I might have to give the cables a try next time I replace my battery, see how it affects longevity.
    • kalleboo 3y ago
  • makeitdouble 3y ago
    Apple isn't good at charging. There's a lot of aspect they excel, graphic design, ergonomics, material etc. Charging has never been their forte. I present as evidence: - the original humongous 31 pin ipod cable - the harpooned mouse - the wireless charging mat they never could deliver - the first Apple pencil (and its usb-c charging cable...) - their previous gen desktop keyboards charging over lightning Their only great charging idea was probably magsafe for laptops.
    • nobrains 3y ago
      And (from greats), iphone magsafe wireless magnetic charging.
    • alpaca128 3y ago
      - the iPhone battery case with the battery bump on the back
      • qup 3y ago
        If I recall this was like eighty bucks and guaranteed to break your charging port within ten days.
    • bryanrasmussen 3y ago
      >Apple isn't good at charging. They're pretty good at changing how you charge every few years and charging you for that change though.
      • SiempreViernes 3y ago
        I'd reword that as: Can't agree: Cupertino constantly changes charging copling and consequently can charge for that change.
        • bryanrasmussen 3y ago
          I think mine was more nicely balanced, but I suppose the increase in alliteration may be worth it.
  • pmontra 3y ago
    What's great with charging docks? I charge with several chargers hanging from sockets all around the house. If I had only a charging dock I would have either to carry it were I need to charge my tablet while I'm using it or move myself to the dock.
    • simonh 3y ago
      I agree the dock as the only way to charge seems daft, but I suppose they expect everyone to have a USB-C charging cable for their phone already, and use that on the go. Most Android phone owners will, and I suppose this is aimed at them.
    • prmoustache 3y ago
      Both aren't mutually exclusive. "Charging via Charging Speaker Dock (included) or USB-C® charger (sold separately)"
    • crazygringo 3y ago
      Because I only charge at night since a single charge gets me through the day. And it's just so much easier to set a tablet down to charge than to grab the cord when it fell down the back of the desk/table/whatever, and then find exactly where the tiny charging port in the middle of a long edge is. Or just to lift up rather than carefully unplugging first, and leaving a messy cable behind that's easy to knock off of its surface (or build a system to carefully clip it somewhere). And a dock isn't taking away the port. It's just a nice option.
  • mkraft 3y ago
    Someone needs to figure out medium range charging and sell a unit to every home, coffee shop, airport, airplane, etc. Let us never be powerless or tethered or docked again!
  • HlessClaudesman 3y ago
    Some smartass engineer should have sold Tim Cook on the docks by rebranding them as dongles. Then Apple would have put out ten different coloured dongle-docks for each new device. Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU
  • 7speter 3y ago
    Didnt the first ipods come with charging docs?
  • hackernewds 3y ago
    I would like to use my tablet while it is charging. This seems like a very basic requisite?
  • AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
    The HP Touchpad had an awesome wireless charging stand all the way back in 2011.[0] What I especially liked about it is that WebOS (before I blew it away and loaded Android onto the tablet) could switch to a slideshow mode when it was left on the stand, and so your Touchpad could serve as a digital picture frame while not in use. [0] https://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-TouchPad-Touchstone-Charging-Dock-demonstration_id20014 https://www.phonearena.com/news/HP-TouchPad-Touchstone-Charg...
    • 5555624 3y ago
      Or you could set it up to show the clock when not in use, which was what I did. (I still like to be able to glance at a clock.) I have yet to install Android on it; so, maybe I'll do that this weekend.
• sergiotapia 3y ago
  Missed the mother's day window badly! I would have easily picked this up at Target for my wife. With the dock? No brainer, 100% cop.
  • wedn3sday 3y ago
    People enjoy gifts outside of prescribed gift giving holidays!
• lapetitejort 3y ago
  I have one of the original Nest Hubs in my bedroom. Just as a dynamic photo frame it has justified its existence. One of the killer features is zero cameras anywhere on the body. I can imagine buying one tablet with several docks throughout the house, but the cameras on the front and back are no-gos for certain rooms. They need to sell attachment that will physically block the cameras in order for the tablet to dock. None of the cases look to have optional camera blockers.
  • ec965 3y ago
    like a piece of tape?
• afruitpie 3y ago
  It’s nice to see key accessories (in this case, the dock) and an acceptable amount of storage included by default. I’ve always held off on impulse buying an iPad because my cart total starts creeping towards MacBook prices once accessories and storage are added.
  • Someone 3y ago
    > I’ve always held off on impulse buying an iPad because my cart total starts creeping towards MacBook prices once accessories and storage are added. I have that, too, but also think it’s a bit irrational. It shouldn’t be surprising that a tablet that is about as powerful as a laptop costs about the same as a laptop (iPad loses on connectivity, but is less voluminous, making it harder to give it high battery live)
    • goosedragons 3y ago
      Even the base iPad can get pricey. Apple's prices for iPad keyboards are nuts. $250 for a keyboard and trackpad! It's over half the price of the tablet. I thought Microsoft's prices for type covers was high when they launched the Surface but they look like a steal at $130 these days.
• gjsman-1000 3y ago
  The charging dock being a speaker is a nice gimmick. However, at $499... that's not the price Google needs in my mind, and it reminds me about the Pixel Watch; too little, too late. You can get a basic iPad for $329, an iPad mini for $399, or a modern iPad for $449. The ecosystem of apps on Android is hardly tablet-optimized, and there's no option to add a keyboard or pencil later. Also, if you learn how to use an iPad, there's no risk of it being killed after the 1st generation (looking at you Pixel Slate - if you bought that thing, it's been five years waiting for this replacement). Software support is another issue, with the average iPad getting at least 6 years of full upgrades followed by 1-2 years of just security updates; while the Pixel tablet promises only three new Android versions and 2 years of security updates afterwards. Considering my 5-year-old iPad is still widely used here, I think that lifecycle may be too short.
• Alupis 3y ago
  The specs feel... underwhelming? 12 hours battery life? My Pixel 7 Pro gets a claimed 2+ days. 8GB RAM? Even if it's mostly unused, my Pixel 7 Pro has 12GB. The display has a nice resolution, but the bezel around it is huge. My Galaxy Tab S6 from 2019 has the same or better specs... and is thinner to boot. It kind of feels like this was a tablet that should have arrived a few years ago.
  • jsnell 3y ago
    > 12 hours battery life? My Pixel 7 Pro gets a claimed 2+ days. That's 12 hours of screen on, displaying video. I assume that's not what you're doing on the phone when getting 2 days of batter life?
  • dabernathy89 3y ago
    Bezels are actually pretty useful on tablets because of how they're held. But I agree in general the specs are just a tad underwhelming. The display is LCD as well, which is a bummer.
    • xnx 3y ago
      LCD is probably a necessity to prevent burn-in since the screen will always/frequently be on in docked mode.
      • dabernathy89 3y ago
        Good point! Hadn't considered that.
    • soulbadguy 3y ago
      > Bezels are actually pretty useful on tablets because of how they're held I think the palm rejection are good enough that think bezels are no longer an issue
      • hammyhavoc 3y ago
        Boy, I love covering my screen whilst I hold it. /s That would be terrible product design.
• indigomm 3y ago
  US Price: $499 UK Price: £599 I get that technology companies don't just directly convert USD at the appropriate exchange rate, but this is ridiculous. Especially as the conversion rate they used on the Pixel Fold is 1 USD = 1 GBP.
  • beojan 3y ago
    Back when it was $2 = £1 prices seemed to be converted at a 1 - 1 rate (and VAT was 17.5% then). This seems to be a long standing problem.
    • indigomm 3y ago
      The 1:1 at least had some rationale given UK VAT and greater expenses. But this is 50% more expensive ($499 is £399 at current rates). And why use different rates for the Fold than the Tablet?
      • beojan 3y ago
        1:1 then meant a 100% markup compared to the US price. That isn't accounted for by 17.5% VAT. I can't imagine expenses were really twice as high.
  • gamblor956 3y ago
    The UK price is VAT inclusive. (Advertised prices in the UK must generally include tax.) The US price is pre-tax (since there are several thousand sales tax rates that could apply, based on customer location).
    • wongarsu 3y ago
      UK value-added tax is 20%. $499 * 1,20 = $598.8, which is about £478. Selling it for £499 would have more than covered the tax difference at current exchange rate, so where do the other £100 come from?
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• taeric 3y ago
  I confess when I was getting a tablet for the family, I was expecting I could find one in the google store. Shockingly, there were no options at the time. And, I now confess that I'm not clear I would want to go with their option at this time. I can't bring myself to think this will have a good lifecycle of support. :(
  • reaperducer 3y ago
    I can't bring myself to think this will have a good lifecycle of support. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 73 times, shame on me.
    • hammyhavoc 3y ago
      Uh, it gets the same support as Pixel phones do. 3 years of major OS updates, 5 years of security updates.
      • Gigachad 3y ago
        3 years is appalling. For something like a tablet I would be expecting 5-6 years major updates.
        • hammyhavoc 3y ago
          Better than most Android tablets that never see any updates, security or otherwise, and ship with an old version of Android out of the box. Can you name a better one?
          • Gigachad 3y ago
            No, I can't name a single Android tablet worth buying. It makes no sense to buy one over an iPad, even if you have no other Apple products.
            • hammyhavoc 3y ago
• abudabi123 3y ago
  Does it make more sense to place a camera at each corner of the device for two cameras at anytime to feed the A.I. chip stereo vision? The single camera midpoint on the longer side forces a double think before docking the device like early USB plug.
• Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
  Well, better late than never. Many, many years ago when Android 2 was all the rage, Motorola has shipped Xoom tablet with Android 3. That Android version turned out to be a dead end, and the whole line of tablets went nowhere. Next Google's attempt at tablets was Nexus 7 device, which was actually great, esp 2013 version that still lays around somewhere in my office and sees occasional use. But then, Google kind of forgot tablets exist and ignored the category completely. It was left for Samsung and some obscure manufacturers making devices, running apps that are usually not really adapted to tablets. So maybe it is finally time to have nice tablets on Android with stock OS, and maybe a special category for apps adapted to tablets in Google Play.
  • gjsman-1000 3y ago
    Well, there was the Pixel C in 2015. It was Android based and went nowhere. Then there was the Pixel Slate in 2018. It was Chrome OS based, and also went nowhere. If you bought a Pixel Slate, a new Google tablet has been five years in the making. Except that the Pixel Tablet isn't really a replacement. It's back to Android, and this time, no keyboard or pen options in sight.
    • goosedragons 3y ago
      It says it supports USI styli but not prioritizing it for the price they are asking seems like a bad move in 2023.
    • hbn 3y ago
      Google has no long-term strategy for tablets. Best I can tell, every few years some product owners get together to once again do Google's Big Push For Tablets For Real This Time We Swear and the initiative goes until they get their promotions and then it's forgotten until the next round a few years later. If you buy this tablet and like it, don't expect a successor. They'll release something completely unrelated in a few years, it might be running Chrome OS, it might have a keyboard accessory, it might have a pen accessory, it might have absolutely abysmal performance[1]. It's a complete grab bag. And this applies to basically all Google products and services. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOh6d_r63Bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOh6d_r63Bw
• berkle4455 3y ago
  is android usable these days or is it still "usable" in the way linux desktops are?
  • Alupis 3y ago
    Considering the number of Android devices in the world, I'd say it's clearly the most usable smartphone OS available.
  • clhodapp 3y ago
    It is "usable" in the way that Windows desktops are.
  • streakfix 3y ago
    It follows Unix philosophy better than the Linux desktop.
• candiddevmike 3y ago
  No pen/stylus?
  • izacus 3y ago
    Supports stylus (USI2 standard like Chromebooks) based on spec sheet. No first party one or a dock space though.
• CobaltFire 3y ago
  No mention of it supporting Google’s Kids Space out of the box, which is the ONE killer feature the Android tablets have over iOS in my house. We are currently using throwaway Fire Tablets with Amazon’s version but would migrate to the actual Google version if we could with a reasonably good device. We’d even sooner swap to iOS but they don’t seem to want to support that use case. Note: Son is non verbal and autistic, so tablets are learning, play, and communication for him. Kids space helps him navigate.
• skybrian 3y ago
  A Google Nest Hub Max is $229. This seems like the upgrade pick at $499, which lets you use it as a tablet, too. My use case is video calls for an elderly relative. I wonder if it would work as simply (once set up), or whether it would complicate things.
• dabernathy89 3y ago
  Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was a little sluggish and had a worse display.). I'm super happy with my purchase so far. Downside: the compatible pen Precision Pen 3 seems to be unavailable right now. [edit: looks like the price has gone back up to $399 in most places. I'd still consider it a good alternative at that price, but if you can pick it up on sale at under $300 it's a no-brainer]
  • LoganDark 3y ago
    This tablet has a lower pixel density than my desktop. But 120Hz OLED sounds soooo good. I'm almost super sad it's not 4K. Would've been an instant wishlist item then.
    • rektide 3y ago
      2560x1536 is 267dpi, which ain't bad. Notebookcheck.net also notes it averages 633 nits brightness, which is superb. That's why I ordered one, to be a better outdoor-capable remote terminal than my oled-but-meh-brighness Samsung Book 12. Hopefully I can run a real Linux at least via KVM on the Lenovo someday!!
      • LoganDark 3y ago
        Yeah it ain't bad, but my desktop has 4K@15.6", which is around 280dpi. Actually smaller gap than I thought, but an 11 inch display is going to be used closer which amplifies it. Brightness and vividness of colors is a huge plus though, OLEDs are amazing. I love them. But it's gotta be 4K. Maybe I am just cursed with above-average vision.
        • mkozlows 3y ago
          There are no tablets that meet your requirements. Apple's iPads are 264 dpi, and have been since the very first Retina tablet.
• bilalq 3y ago
  I wish the price was slightly lower so this could be no-brainer, but I'm a fan. The speaker dock seems like a gimmick at a glance, but I think it's compelling. It gives the device a definitive home at rest, and bi-modal utility. This is the kind of thing that fits super nicely in the kitchen.
• eitally 3y ago
  As far as I'm concerned, the only real market for this is as an upgraded Nest Hub hardware. It's not really competitive as a tablet (go to Samsung or Apple for that), but it doesn't really do anything differentiated, either. If it is indeed the next gen of what would have been the Nest Hub Max, then this is what the first gen of that product should have been. The detachable tablet is a great idea, as is building a speaker into the base. It would be compelling if the MSRP was $349 or so, but not $499. For that amount, I could just buy two Nest Hub Maxes, or a quite nice iPad (or nice Samsung Android tablet).
  • nr2x 3y ago
    At $329 the entry level iPad is a great deal. I agree this would be a killer at $350 as it includes a stand…but $500 gets you an iPad and $170 left in your pocket for accessories
• gnicholas 3y ago
  > Easily control your home with the Google Home app. Except the Nest gear, including home security system, that we’ve just announced we’re disabling.
• brucezepplin 3y ago
  So is this competing with Echo Show or Samsung S8 / iPad Air? I just cam't understand why they would go with the former?
• vkdelta 3y ago
  What’s with google in last few weeks? Tons of AI and a couple of new pixel devices! Are they really pulling everything in their arsenal in a short window to keep Wall Street happy?
  • zwily 3y ago
    Google IO is this week.
  • giantrobot 3y ago
    It's Google I/O this week. They're packing a bunch of announcements into a single big hype event that's ostensibly for developers. Apple does the same with WWDC and Microsoft with their BUILD events (is it still called that?).
• brucezepplin 3y ago
  so is this an echo show competitor or Samsung S8 / iPad Air?
• mcsniff 3y ago
  I might buy this, I do wish it had NFC, but alas not many tablets do. The killer feature for me is GrapheneOS support.
  • jacooper 3y ago
    Honestly, if it wasn't for GrapheneOS, I probably would never bother with buying a Pixel, especially jumping hoops to just buy the phone.
• ozten 3y ago
  I don’t consider buying premium Electronics from Google. I look to them for free and cheap products and services. I can’t imagine these working in 2 years nor would I want to deal with their customer service.
• summerlight 3y ago
  The spec seems a bit underwhelming, but this experiment seems to try paving the road to merging home devices, tablets and set top boxes (yeah, it has Chromecast built-in) into one form factor. The narrative itself seems plausible, let's see how it plays out.
• corn13read2 3y ago
  The tablet that only google could make... The $500 LCD tablet that only google would try to sell.
  • krsdcbl 3y ago
    That's a really interesting consideration to me, I'll say the same about a phone - but feel like I'd seldomly plug my high end headphones into a tablet?
• wslh 3y ago
  Does it run ChromeOS Flex? [1]? [1] https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/ https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/
• rektide 3y ago
  Has anyone tried loading the Chromecast app onto an existing phone or tablet? It looks like there's just an android app that runs but it probably isn't quite as simple as that, but I also haven't tried. That you can cast to this seems like such a basic & obvious step.
  • seabrookmx 3y ago
    I recall Google briefly supporting using ChromeOS as a Chromecast "target" but only for specially blessed "education" Chromebooks. Chromecast seems pretty locked down but it would be really freaking cool to retrofit old devices (or something like a raspi) into a Chromecast simply by installing an app.
    • rektide 3y ago
      There is a great lovely w3c spec to do Chromecast, but as an open protocol. A remote control protocol for the web. https://github.com/w3c/openscreenprotocol https://github.com/w3c/openscreenprotocol I really hope we can do it. So far it's almost exclusively Google putting the work, to take their tech (derived from Netflix's common sense/simple Dial protocol) & re-protocol-ize it again. Such amazing benevolence, in my view. But if you want tech to succeed, you need to set it free. If you love it set it free. Create more value than you capture. Again here as in many places, I can say, thank you Google. You empower a great connected medium. It is good. These acts are great.
      • seabrookmx 3y ago
        So basically what happened with HTTP/2 and HTTP/3. Really cool, thanks for sharing!
  • bjoli 3y ago
    I have had a lot of problems with Chromecast (and apple play for that matter). It just never seems to work properly. Bluetooth is better, but every now and then I have to fiddle with it for a minute or two for it to work properly (and yes, also on iPhone). I have started just connecting using a 3.5mm plug. Which this tablet lacks.
• sobriquet9 3y ago
  Will GrapheneOS run on it?
  • e44858 3y ago
    It uses the same processor as other supported devices, so it’s likely.
• dmitrygr 3y ago
  > The tablet only Google could make. So, we should expect no ownership of hardware issues [1][2][3][4] and a discontinuation shortly [5] ? Even the actual product page is broken already. See footnote 7 on tech specs page [6]: > [...] See g.co/pixeltablet/updates for more information. That link ... is broken... no such article exists... Come to think of it, this IS the update policy, probably. Expectations are being set early on. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494129 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494129 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/10yf7yp/google_pixel_7_pro_poor_quality_control/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/10yf7yp/google... [3] https://www.phonearena.com/news/Pixel-7-Pro-is-turning-into-a-disintegrating-mess-but-Google-doesnt-really-care_id145455 https://www.phonearena.com/news/Pixel-7-Pro-is-turning-into-... [4] https://www.techradar.com/news/google-pixel-6-problems https://www.techradar.com/news/google-pixel-6-problems [5] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ [6] https://store.google.com/product/pixel_tablet_specs?hl=en-US https://store.google.com/product/pixel_tablet_specs?hl=en-US
• russellbeattie 3y ago
  I think the combination of tablet and smart display is the right idea. The Nest Hub copied Amazon's ill conceived idea of a locked down device with anemic specs. Amazon's goal was to saturate the market to help push the Prime "flywheel", but who knows what Google's plan was. Home automation license fees? Without any other real business model, the result for Amazon was a fleet of bandwidth sucking machines and a $10 billion loss. Losing money on every device but making it up in volume, so to speak. Fuchsia is simply Google's foray deeper into that black hole of stupidity. Launching a more capable device with a decent OS and proven developer ecosystem could finally make smart displays more useful. I predict if Apple ever launches one, it will have similar properties and run on an iOS derivative rather than some underpowered, minimal functionality, closed device only used for weather and music.
• rch 3y ago
  Funny, I just replaced my perfectly acceptable, but canceled and unsupported Pixel Slate (2018) tablet with an iPad Pro. No regrets.
  • pphysch 3y ago
    Were you already in the Apple ecosystem?
  • benburleson 3y ago
    Right, I don't understand who buys into the Google/Pixel ecosystem now knowing it will be unsupported in a few years.
    • rch 3y ago
      I held on for a long time, and still have a lot of lock-in to unwind. Switching costs are pretty high, even for individuals. I won't be putting all my chips on Apple either. I have a mix of file storage options, password managers, Linux laptops, 'hub' devices, and so on.
  • binkHN 3y ago
    > ...unsupported Pixel Slate... What's unsupported about it? I picked this up on a fire sale and it still gets updates.
    • plexicle 3y ago
      Nothing. It's supported for at least another 3 years. ~2026
    • rch 3y ago
      I'm charging it up and we'll see. It was fairly quiet for a while. I have a specific use in mind, leveraging on-device speech recognition. Ideally I'll be able to achieve parity with the iPad.
  • mkozlows 3y ago
    The Pixel Slate is supported until 2026: https://support.google.com/pixelslate/answer/9413910?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelslate/answer/9413910?hl=en
• Schnitz 3y ago
  "I'll trust Google to make this tablet great and support it in the long run" - no one ever
  • cvwright 3y ago
    OTOH their hardware tends to get the best support in alternative Android flavors like Lineage and Calyx.
• renewiltord 3y ago
  Suffers from ecosystem problem. iOS ecosystem is way better. I have owned Nexus and Pixel phones, Nexus tablets, and Moto 360 and Galaxy Gear. Switching to Apple ecosystem was way better world. The problem is that some things have ecosystem network bonus and if you can't work yourself up to that threshold, you don't get it. Positioning as home device is interesting since that's the one place I use Google devices. But if they don't use modern LLM stuff there, I think that one is for the rubbish heap.
• 2h 3y ago
  > Does the Pixel Tablet have a cellular plan option? > No, the Pixel Tablet is only available with Wi-Fi connectivity. and I am out. we have about 300 iPads at work, and I would be interested in swapping some to this, but it MUST have cellular data, no exception. otherwise its just a toy. Dumb move Google.
• chrysoprace 3y ago
  As someone who generally likes the Pixel line of phones (not a fanboy; I just enjoy the stock+ android experience), I'm sceptical of the support on this tablet. My old Nexus tablet (I think it's the Nexus 7) is generally useless beyond basic offline usage because it doesn't get OS updates any more. Given the price, it's going to be a hard thing to justify at AUD$899 if it's going to be a security liability after 2028. I like the dock though. Gives it a second purpose as a hub I guess.
  • Teslazar 3y ago
    I agree with the sentiment that the devices aren't being supported for long enough but thought I'd mention that you can install LineageOS on a Nexus 7 and get OS and software updates. According to Google, Pixel tablets will get "software version updates for at least 3 years" and "Pixel security updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the U.S." (https://support.google.com/googlepixeltablet/answer/13555449 https://support.google.com/googlepixeltablet/answer/13555449). I imagine most people here will agree that 3 years isn't long enough for something this expensive.
    • vineyardmike 3y ago
      It’s crazy Google thinks that’s an acceptable time range considering apple regularly supports 7 years for devices. That said, anything longer and I’d be worried google just hallucinated that support and they’ll kill it off anyways. I vaguely believe this duration.
      • johnfernow 3y ago
        My iPhone 6S (which still receives security updates) has received more years of major OS releases than Google plans for security updates. I'm not a fan of Apple or iOS but Google's devices largely feel disposable: if I buy them on release I get less support than buying a used two year old iPhone.
      • kyriakos 3y ago
        Android and ios update cycles are different because on android most components are upgradable without OS update. Most notably the browsers get updates longer than 7 years and they tend to be the biggest security concern.
• initplus 3y ago
  Not in a market that we sell to means you aren't even allowed to look at the product? I recall this being a problem years ago on the Google store, but it's still a thing? Apple lets me look at the store of any country I want. And they anyways launch products globally at the same time.
• Andaith 3y ago
  Does anyone else think it's a weird decision to force people to sign in to their google accounts before viewing the google store?
  • bentinata 3y ago
    Yes. It keeps asking me to change my region.
• Dalewyn 3y ago
  If this had a headphone jack I would be seriously considering a purchase. Alas, it does not.
• SomeHacker44 3y ago
  I would have liked to see a 512G memory version, or in the alternative, a Micro SD Card slot. Phones have more memory.
  • LoganDark 3y ago
    Yep, my $300 phone has 8GB of memory...
• jay_kyburz 3y ago
  I love my Nokia T20 and it's less than half the price. It's plenty fast enough for browsing the net and watching shows.
• pipeline_peak 3y ago
  If I wanted an iPad, I’d pay the same price for the actual thing. No one wants a luxury Android tablet, we learned that over 10 years ago.
• kernal 3y ago
  5 years of updates.
• shmerl 3y ago
  > Video and video calling: > Video formats: HEVC (H.265) and AVC (H.264) > Video playback: > Supports H.263, H.264 AVC, H.265 HEVC, MPEG-4, VP8, VP9, AV1 So no AV1 encoder?
• solarkraft 3y ago
  Am I having a stroke? 700€ for a tablet? That doesn't support a pen? That doesnt have a good ecosystem? I get that Pixel is supposed to be a premium brand but it looks to me like they're trying to out-Apple Apple in pricing while at the same time trying to establish a new product category (let's be honest, Android tablets are kind of a joke right now). I'm glad Android tablets might make a comeback, but at that price?! Hopefully the a-Version isn't too far.
  • x0x0 3y ago
    I'm in the same place -- I can't understand what is the case for buying this instead of an ipad. If anyone can make a case, I'm curious.
    • unstuck3958 3y ago
      For me personally, I would definitely consider it if it comes with good custom ROM support (esp. GrapheneOS).
    • spoiler 3y ago
      I guess I might be the target audience, kinda. I do like the polish of macOS and macbooks, but I'm not a fan of anything else made by Apple. I used to own two iPhones before I switched to Androids. Cables that fray and cost £30 to replace sucks. This happen tow personally, and I'm not one of those people that rides cables like horses. iPhones are brittle and bend or shatter in people's pockets, and half the time users get blamed, that also sucks. This didn't happen to me, but it was all over the media. The AppStore I'm conflicted about, since it has a lot of boons in theory, but sucks in practice since there's still scams apps, even with the 30% apple tax. The other anticompetitive and predatory policies also suck; they sugar coat some of them as technical reasons, but they're stills just that: sugar coating. OTOH their privacy promises are indeed nice, but I don't know how much of that is true or PR (not that those are mutually exclusive, but you get the idea). Android and Google suck in different ways though. But at least it feels like the lesser evil, and one that's also less expensive and doesn't become redundant as quickly. The accessory space for Apple products is bigger, which is kind of a boon, but also a downside since it's annoying having to vet everything for whether it's shit or not.
• perryizgr8 3y ago
  No headphone jack, no sale.
• streakfix 3y ago
  On a side note, how hackable is the nest hub? I'd like to mess around with a production fuchsia release.
• stewbrew 3y ago
  They still don't manage to sell their devices world-wide. Even in Europe. Clicking on the above link I see only their useless nest devices.
  • jmnicolas 3y ago
    It's available in France: https://store.google.com/fr/product/pixel_tablet?hl=fr https://store.google.com/fr/product/pixel_tablet?hl=fr
    • olabyne 3y ago
      679€, they have no shame, les bâtards ! And I thought the last Ipad was really expensive.
• benatkin 3y ago
  A Tensor processor, nice. I heard of it but forgot about it. It is indeed a reference to TensorFlow.
• spoonjim 3y ago
  Everyone accuses Apple of “price gouging” but they objectively make a better product at a lower price. They sell the iPad much cheaper and it has Apple Pencil support!
• vrglvrglvrgl 3y ago
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• theshrike79 3y ago
  ...and also not available in Europe. What is Google's thinking here? Do they have too much money and don't want to get more of it? Or is their supply chain so limited that they can't produce enough?
• mikevm 3y ago
  Another fail on the aspect ratio side of things. Pass until they release a 4:3 aspect ratio tablet.
• anttiharju 3y ago
  https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_tablet?hl=en-US https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_tablet?hl=en-US for those not in the US I wish the post url was updated to this, right now it gets redirected to the local frontpage with no information about the tablet
  • jmnicolas 3y ago
    I guess it depends on the country, for me in France it redirected on the French version of the store and you can buy the tablet for 700€.
    • pmontra 3y ago
      Wow, it's $499 in the USA.
      • grardb 3y ago
        Before tax. Typically, European prices include VAT. If you remove the VAT from the Dutch price, you'd end up with about €561. Especially when taking into account the currency conversion, it's still definitely cheaper in the US, but the difference is less exaggerated when you take taxes into account.
        • indigomm 3y ago
          Googles pricing doesn't make sense when you compare it to themselves. Pixel 7a: $499 or £449. At current rates, the 7a works out cheaper in the UK - it should be £480 inc. VAT. Pixel Tablet: $499 or £599. The US price for the tablet is the same as the 7a, so you would expect it to be £449 in the UK. Even if they just did a straight currency conversion and added VAT, it would be £480. So £599 is extortionate. Pixel Fold: $1,799 or £1,749. This is the one that is actually about right. It would be £1,723 on currency conversion and VAT, so £1,749 is alright. Of course there is also the cost of doing business in Europe. But the fact is that comparing Google's own product line with itself just shows that the pricing doesn't make sense.
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• stonogo 3y ago
  The weirdest part of this product, to me, is that Google went all-in on beige. You may pick from three shades of beige. Google corporate branding is usually so much more colorful, but I guess times change.
• ceving 3y ago
  How about multi-user? Or do I have to buy 4 of it?
• progx 3y ago
  Unleash the 60 Hz LCD display power in 2023!
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• akino_germany 3y ago
  $499 / £599 / €679 / CA$699 What are these prices? I would have expected 549€ with the conversion rate and taxes and all that.
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• w1nst0nsm1th 3y ago
  I would go for an Oneplus Pad, which as a better screen ratio (7:5), which is 1 step further than iPad in matter of ergonomy. In my experience, 1536x2500 is not a good ratio, even if it is a nice resolution. Google just copied Huawei, Lenovo and Xiaomi screen format. I don't know about cpu and gpu specs but in my experience it doesn't matter as it feel mostly equals past a certain treeshold point. Also, it costs 200 euros less. And you make nobody jalous. With Oneplus Pad, Uncle Sam AND Uncle Xi potentially spy on you.
• kentiko 3y ago
  Last time I bought a Google device was a Pixel C end of 2016 as present for my dad. It was supported up to Android 8, released in 2017, and then Google decided this device was obsolete and would never get the next Android release. I am done with Google hardware. I bought my dad an iPad Mini since, as a replacement, I sure it will be updated for much longer.
  • coolg54321 3y ago
    Google is similar to a person with ADHD when it comes to hardware and services, they are not going to be with it for very long while jumping to make another.
    • fwn 3y ago
      As a person with ADHD, I hope this misrepresentation does not become a common saying.
  • hackernewds 3y ago
    my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os
    • worik 3y ago
      Yes. This is the problem with the tablet duopoly I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end" I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well. Why can I not get a tablet like that?
      • qup 3y ago
        I got a surface tablet. The one that just runs normal windows. I'm not a Windows user normally, but it's the best "tablet" OS by far IMO. You can get WSL, and honestly I would be surprised if you can't install Linux on it, but I haven't actually checked.
• Tepix 3y ago
  The website is pretty much broken on Firefox on a Macbook Air M1. You can only see the left upper 3rd of the device at the default zoom and the animation doesn't play. You have to zoom out before it works as expected.
• dalbasal 3y ago
  What is the revenue/profitability situation for Google's consumer electronics? When Google originally got into the biz... with Android and earlier versions of this pixel range, the goal was to compliment search and such. That did kind of work. Google's position is seemingly better than it would have been in a world where Apple (and msft?) dominate mobile OS. That said... Google is still 80% ads, 10% cloud, 10% pixels. Is that 10% even profitable? With the www increasingly decreasing and GPTs starting to eye web search's dominance as the way to access information... Google's thousand flowers bloomed, then withered. Some came back stronger. None of them became meaningful businesses. I don't understand why.
• ho_schi 3y ago
  Can somebody explain me why Europeans should pay 679 Euro which are around 740 Dollar? I assume something around 540 Dollar in the US with sales tax? And why we should also pay for the needless dock? Last time I bought a ThinkPad the offered good docking-stations but this was optional. Things which are not need for normal use should sold separately. Waste of resources. Note: Rate Euro to US is 1,09.
  • radiospiel 3y ago
    european prices typically include VAT, US prices don’t
    • 76SlashDolphin 3y ago
      But even with US sales tax there's a big mark-up in the EU. Meanwhile, the Pixel 7a is the same price as the tablet in the US but significantly cheaper in the EU. Really odd pricing.
    • ho_schi 3y ago
      As said I already tried to accounted for that a reasonable estimate. Without sales tax the US price is 499 Dollar.
  • davidy123 3y ago
    The dock is a main feature of this device. You can even buy additional docks to place around the house for charging/speakers. If you don't need the dock, I guess it's not for you (though maybe they will release a dockless version later… and reduce the price). And unless you are really into the Google ecosystem (which can be compelling, but also annoying when they abandon products or gut them) it's not well priced in any market if you're just looking for a tablet.
    • ho_schi 3y ago
      I’m afraid you’re right. I don’t need a dock. And I don’t want locked into an eco-system. The removal of Miracast was already a nightmare. The Chromecast image quality is worse, latency is worse and you need to the online. Thanks to Google „eco-system“. Actually the „tablet” itself looks like a good device. At least more money left for ThinkPads and Linux ^^
• m0shp_t 3y ago
  Nice, charging docs are super useful
• codethief 3y ago
  I really hope GrapheneOS will run on it!
• balls187 3y ago
  This really feels like a replacement for Nest Hub. Next version will offer a version of the dock with Nest features (mic, iot support).
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• locallost 3y ago
  I am not really am Apple person, but I always wondered why the iPad is almost always better priced or in the same range as Android tablets when they are clearly better. At the same time I have an Android phone and don't know why a comparable iPhone is 2x the price. Not saying this is a bad tablet, and I like my Pixel phone, but if they will fight the iPad they need to be competitive on pricing and this isn't, especially not in Europe.
  • eddieroger 3y ago
    Because people are willing to pay it. I also think it's worth looking at the lifespan of an Apple device compared. Lots of chatter on these threads about iPads getting release updates for years following release, where Pixels get 18 months if they're lucky. I am content spending 2x the price on a device if I can keep it for 2x+ years.
    • locallost 3y ago
      Better priced means the iPad is cheaper, and this despite being (imho) better
• jasonvorhe 3y ago
  I lost all interest in Google tablets after they abandoned the Pixel C instead of iterating over the concept of the portable keyboard they shipped it with. It was way ahead of Apple's Magic Keyboard for iPad and if they had doubled down on improving tablet support around 2015/2016 they wouldn't still be playing catch-up after the third or even fourth "we're serious about tablets now!" proclamation. Android update support is also quite terrible considering they're on their own SoC by now. Meh. Will probably grab the OnePlus Pad once it's on sale or if I can save 50-100EUR by getting it 2nd hand/refurbished.
• uni_baconcat 3y ago
  "The only tablet engineered by Google." Pixel C and Pixel Slate may have a question about this. Back to the point, I think the only thing that Pixel Tablet solved is it has a magnetic charging station.
• spinchange 3y ago
  Feel like I've been waiting for a Chrome tablet since before Sundar was CEO. Then a few years later there was that expensive Pixel laptop. Now they're finally shipping this in 2023. I've always wondered what was holding back a launch of this. Edit: I realize this is Android and not ChromeOS. I just can't believe they didn't ship a flagship tablet all this time.
• pregseahorses 3y ago
  I have been a big fan of Google phones, but am being forced to switch away due to their horrendous parts prices. Their replacement LCD's cost ~$200.
• tlhunter 3y ago
  Is this the first mainstream tablet without an audio jack?
  • Tijdreiziger 3y ago
    No, iPads don’t have them either.
• freedomben 3y ago
  Does anyone know if this supports USB-C to HDMI? It saddens me to have to ask this on HN but there's no info I can find about this. After having OnePlus devices for years, I got very used to being able to plug in a USB-C to HDMI cable into the charging port and be able to use an external screen with no problems. After getting a Pixel 5a and my wife a Pixel 7, I discovered that Pixels do not support that (which surprised me greatly). Supposedly one can buy some expensive special hardware and install a 2/5 star rated app with bad privacy policy to give the feature, but that is quite unpalatable to me. If this device has that feature, I would buy it because it's otherwise excellent. But plugging in to our van's HDMI port to play movies and such for kids on long road trips is a must-have feature for me.
• springogeek 3y ago
  I've had bad experiences with the hardware maintenance of Google devices. Things break down and Google don't provide good ways to repair them if the device is older than a couple years, so while it's cool, I don't think I'll go for this.
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