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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers
- candiddevmike 4y agoEagerly awaiting these in Ashburn! Almost double the CPU/RAM in most cases for the same price.
- ericls 4y agoHope they'll roll out the dedicated-cores plans for these.
- solalf 4y agoCould somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.
- nidnogg 4y agoHere's hoping it's not just an early adopter promo
- sleepychu 4y agoPerhaps operating costs? — https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/linux/ARM-vs-x86#arm-vs-x86-for-energy-usage https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/linux/ARM-vs-x86#arm-vs-x86...
- zamalek 4y agoPower delivery and cooling are not cheap at datacenter levels.
- nr2x 4y agoWith the added environment benefits!
- andix 4y agoPower is especially expensive in Europe right now. The war in Ukraine caused price increases between 300% and 1000%
- qwytw 4y agoIs that still the case? The prices seem to have peaked around August and are now back to their pre war levels. Before that prices have already been steadily rising since September, 2021 though. e.g. average price in August was over 400% higher than this March https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/en/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-Prices/ALL1/Monthly/?view=table https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/en/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-...
- andix 4y agoI think wholesale prices for electricity in Germany are still around 3x compared to before the pandemic, and around 4-5x compared to 2020. The big peak (up to 10x) is over, but the energy prices already increased a lot in autumn of 2021, when Russia first reduced the gas deliveries.
- mnau 4y agoMaybe competition? x86 has only 2 competitors left. ARM has more diverse ecosystem of competitors and the environments ha been different. ARM design had to be adjusted/developed for a cell phones often cost 10% of a normal computers (main use of x86). I can buy a cell phone a display, battery, memory and ARM cpu for $100 total (no idea how much ARM chip alone cost). The phone will have a semi-acceptable performance. Even cheapest x86 CPU with emi acceptable performance probably cost more than $100 and cheapest x86 cpu more than $50.
- solarkraft 4y agoBut the makers of the CPUs are still server focused. Then again it's a lot easier to become one with ARM.
- stonemetal12 4y agoAmpere is the only game in town for buying a server ARM chip. It isn't like anyone is rack mounting Samsung Galaxies, so the variety of manufactures working in other spaces doesn't really matter. Nvidia claims to be working on getting in the server game later this year so maybe ARM will get to x86 levels of competition.
- elorant 4y agoLow demand
- DeathArrow 4y ago>16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain. 16 cores doesn't say much. It depends how many DMIPS those cores will yield.
- re-thc 4y agoDemand and supply. Even if they did offer equal performance most of your docker images and other binaries may need to be rebuilt. The inertia is hard to beat. AWS has been trying really hard with Graviton 3.
- RockyMcNuts 4y agoin other words less competition, more market power tax
- xenic 4y agoBase docker images, such as Ubuntu have support for multiple architectures. Building your own based on them isn’t really difficult at all; docker buildx works remarkably well and build tools such as maven, sbt, etc. seem to have rather decent support for building multiarch images. Even better if you have decent build automation, implement cross building for amd64 and arm64 once and just make sure your FROM images support those.
- section_me 4y agoPossibly off topic, I actually registered the org oci-base (https://github.com/oci-base https://github.com/oci-base), when Docker Inc. announced the registry fees. In part as I've been annoyed with multiarch and docker/registry in the past. Then to top it off the official registry has/is taking ages to support signing/attestation. Plan is for it to be contributor driven, and RFC style requirements following best practices. Not had much time to work on it lately, kids, Easter, etc.
- re-thc 4y agoA lot of things are usually not difficult in the absolute sense. It's not just the building of it but the testing/verification of what's built. 1 major problem with a lot of use cases is there isn't enough test coverage and hence confidence in the change. Some people / companies find it easier to just pay the difference.
- sltkr 4y agoI would guess simpler CPU core architecture means more cores per die. Presumably it also means lower performance, but perhaps not by as much as you think, since typically the most performant CPUs aren't the most cost-effective. Quick Googling shows: - Intel W9-3495X has 56 cores for $5889 - AMD EPYC 64 has 64 cores for $4299 - Ampera Altra M128-30 has 128 cores for $5800 The Altra uses about the same power as AMD, and much less than Intel, despite offering twice as many cores. So it stands to reason that you just get twice as many cores for the same money, even if you factor in power, cooling and maintenance costs. Hetzer offers a 16 core AMD (v)CPU machine at 225% of the price, so that roughly works out.
- ojosilva 4y agoFirstly ARM processors are simpler to produce, with simpler circuitry (RISC!), although the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms. Research costs are also very expensive for x86, with 2 vendors (Intel and AMD) competing savagely in many different markets such as high-end gaming, servers, ultrabooks and low cost PCs. However, ARM (the company) focuses on licensing the designs and instruction sets. So their research costs are split among many licensees while ARM focused on what it does best: designing chips. That in turn translates into many vendors who can focus on improving manufacturing efficiency, procurement, logistics and sales. x86 vendors have a wild range of manufacturing lines to keep up. Finally, the laws of supply and demand play a huge part. The ARM market is 2 orders of magnitude (!!) greater than x86 as far as raw number of processors shipped, ~370M vs ~32B chips in 2022.
- cellularmitosis 4y ago> simpler circuitry > the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms sorry, come again?
- ojosilva 4y agox86 has more pathways (interconnects), x86 implements a "mesh" design, which is a low-latency, high-power configuration of pathways. ARM uses a neat hierarchical design that favors low-power consumption. So, given a x86 and an ARM chip with the same number of transistors, the ARM one will still be a simpler, low-power chip with probably a higher number of cores.
- cellularmitosis 4y agoah thanks! I hadn't considered the core count difference.
- Symmetry 4y agoARM's N-series cores are targeted at a somewhat lower performance point than top line x86 cores. That saves a bunch of transistors since there's a lot of diminishing returns. There's also design compromises not being made in order to hit clock speeds that server parts never try to hit anyways. Not having to decode complicated x86 instructions but simple RISC ones is also a small advantage, somewhere on the order of 5% power savings. Also, x86 backwards compatibility and SMT don't cost much in terms of power or transistors but both have large costs in of verification work.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoTheres a perception that the ARM Altra per-thread performance is really bad. But according to my Minecraft benchmarks in Oracle's instances, its better than old Skylake cloud instances... by how much is hard to say since other tenants generate so much variation, but there are proper reviews of the whole SoC floating around out there.
- re-thc 4y agoOld Skylake cloud instances is "really bad" in the current day compared to Rome/Milan/Genoa, Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 3 for example. We've moved on from lakes!
- loeg 4y agoCooper Lake (2020) is still a Skylake. They aren't that old!
- re-thc 4y agoThe 1 that was mostly canned? See: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plans-the-chip-that-wasnt-meant-to-exist-dies-for-you https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plan... It's limited everywhere.
- loeg 4y ago> The company is set to only make the hardware available for priority scale-out customers who have already designed quad-socket and eight-socket platforms around the hardware. I work at one of those customers; we use loads of them. Nevermind Ice Lake / Alder Lake (2021) / Raptor Lake (2022) -- Intel hasn't abandoned the "Lake" naming scheme yet.
- mardifoufs 4y agoFacebook?
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- eis 4y agoGreat news. I'd like to see how a vCPU compares between arm64 and amd64 but not sure how to best go about it. I've created VMs for both with 4 vCPU and will run the phoronix benchmark suite. After that I'll probably try 16 arm vs 8 amd vCPU because that's a closer match in terms of price. Any suggestions welcome but I also don't want to spend too many hours on it. Will post results. Ran the kernel build benchmark (result is seconds, lower is better): AMD64: 272.916 273.128 270.477 ARM64: 1011.799 1004.713 1015.261 So the ARM CAX21 instance for 6.49 EUR/month took roughly 3.7x as long as the AMD CPX31 instance which costs 13.60 EUR/month. A roughly 2.1x price difference. Here the ARM instance did not shine in a kernel-compile-per-eur metric. Also ran sysbench cpu --time=60 --threads=4 run AMD64: events per second: 14681.70 ARM64: events per second: 13455.11 In this test the both are very close.
- bombcar 4y agoThe main problem I'd think is that by being "virtual" you never really quite know if you're seeing how it would run in "real life". Personally, if I were to do it, and I had some sort of load-balanced application that uses multiple backends/frontends/whatever, is balance across the two and compare over time. And to be 'fair' you'd want to compare similar pricing. Or if you had a consistent group maybe try a Minecraft server and move it between the two every week and see what people "feel"?
- DeathArrow 4y ago>I'd like to see how a vCPU compares between arm64 and amd64 That depends on how many vCPUs are they running on each physical core for both x86 and ARM.
- eis 4y agoYes and we might never know or maybe it's not even static. This will never be 100% scientific or correct since there are many factors that come into play, stuff like noisy neighbour for example. What I'm trying to get is a ballpark idea of how their arm vCPU compares to the amd equivalent.
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- jacob019 4y agoI hope Hetzner starts offering GPU instances like Vultr.
- lordnacho 4y agoOne of the chat support people told me that they were going to do that pretty soon. Haven't seen anything though.
- subsequentmask 4y agoWhen was this? This one really interests me.
- lordnacho 4y agoA couple of months ago. They seemed to suggest a launch was imminent, as in "wait around a couple of weeks, rent GPUs just like everything else". But I haven't seen it since, so kinda odd.
- eis 4y agoHetzner at some point used to offer dedicated servers with GPUs like a nVidia 1080 but stopped offering these because there was a lot of fraud and abuse involving crypto miners. With all the AI hype I'd assume they'll try to offer GPU instances again with precautions put in place.
- jacooper 4y agoThey are still available in the server auction section
- eis 4y agoYes but what a reader unfamiliar with the server auction at Hetzner should know is that there is very limited supply (and sometimes none) plus it's outdated hardware. At this very moment I see 9 servers with 1080 priced between 105 and 118 euro per month available.
- cbg0 4y agoDid a quick comparison between intel 2 vCPU and Arm 2 vCPU, these are shared CPUs though so YMMV: sysbench cpu --threads=2 run Intel events per second: 1864.20 Arm events per second: 6687.05 Coremark Intel iterations/sec: 20077.633516 Arm iterations/sec: 23625.767837
- jeffbee 4y agoIf you have access to them a much more informative datapoint would be `openssl speed rsa` or `lzbench`. Sysbench is just a stunt it doesn't indicate much at all.
- hugoromano 4y agoNew Hetzner ARM: sign verify sign/s verify/s rsa 512 bits 0.000070s 0.000006s 14268.2 159885.6 rsa 1024 bits 0.000405s 0.000021s 2468.4 47757.7 rsa 2048 bits 0.002847s 0.000078s 351.3 12830.1 Hetzner x86: sign verify sign/s verify/s rsa 512 bits 0.000067s 0.000004s 14893.9 240902.8 rsa 1024 bits 0.000127s 0.000009s 7845.9 114300.9 rsa 2048 bits 0.000874s 0.000027s 1144.6 36800.6
- daneel_w 4y agoIf it's of any value to anyone, perhaps as an indication of hardware/environment implementation, I get identical numbers (<1% difference) on Oracle's Ampere Altra servers with OpenSSL 1.1.1n on Debian 11.
- my123 4y agoDue to a peculiar design issue, Neoverse N1 underperforms when using RSA. It doesn't affect other use cases and is fixed on newer Arm cores.
- 8organicbits 4y agoIsn't that just measuring hardware support for RSA? Are many systems bottlenecked on RSA perf?
- trollied 4y ago2*vCPU, 4GB RAM, 40GB disk and 20TB traffic for €4.52/month is a steal. €3.92/month if you go ipv6 only.
- kseistrup 4y agoDoes anyone know if there is ssh/root access and what OS the servers are running?
- subsequentmask 4y agoThese are VPSs. You can SSH, use the root user, and when setting up you can choose what OS to use, they give a list or iirc they let you upload your own ISO.
- cstuder 4y agoAny recommendations for an uncomplicated server OS which will just run Docker, SSH and not much more? I'm currently running Ubuntu but am open to alternatives. My local Raspberry Pi uses a fun, but little maintained OS called Hypriot which is just this: Start Docker and not much more.
- regularfry 4y agoJust stick Debian on it. It'll be familiar enough from your Ubuntu experience, and if all you're going to do is slap Docker on it and run everything in containers you can just use Debian Stable, not care that things in the repo might not be bang up to date, stick unattended-upgrades on it, and never really worry about it until dist-upgrade time.
- layer8 4y agoSeconding this.
- NortySpock 4y agoDietpi is what I switched to. Maintained, light on logging unless you ask for it (saves your SD card from wear and tear), and focused on low host-os resource usage while still being Debian-based.
- chpatrick 4y agoUbuntu is fine for that use case.
- syntaxing 4y agoWow those are some tempting specs. 4 Euros for 2 core CPU, 4GB of RAM, 40Gb storage, and 20TB of traffic. I always had issues with those $5 droplets with the RAM being abysmally low. Closest comparable equivalent is $18-$24 on DO.
- Galaco 4y agoNever figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using this address; you can’t change the passport country). I am a British citizen living in Japan, and therefore hold a British passport; there was no way for me to provide a Japanese passport. I asked what I should do to comply, and they banned my account 6 hours later. I can’t be the only one to experience this, can I?
- lordnacho 4y agoThey seem pretty good at writing back to people. Have you contacted them? It's normal for new accounts to get suspended pending KYC checks. But they also do the checks pretty fast.
- danesparza 4y agoThe OP indicated this in their original comment: "I asked what I should do to comply, and they banned my account 6 hours later."
- withinboredom 4y agoThat’s pretty suss. Just send your passport and if they have any issues with it, they’ll ask. If they ask you for your passport and you ask “how do I comply” I’d probably suspend the account to since you seem unable or unwilling to comply.
- jackothy 4y agoThey asked him for a Japanese passport and he does not have one. Hence the "how do I comply".
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- thejosh 4y agoPerfect build servers for native AARCH64 compiling (though you can use distcc), really wish AWS had spot pricing for ARM..
- re-thc 4y agoThey do? Unless you are referring to Fargate. EC2 Graviton does have spot pricing?
- jacooper 4y agoFinally! That's where ARM Alta CPUs shine Try your luck to get them for free in oracle free tier, just make sure to have backups!
- solarkraft 4y agoOracle's free tier is cool. I've let my free instance expire and so far haven't noticed them doing anything weird with my credit card info. Also haven't been sued yet. But let's see.
- daneel_w 4y agoIf your tenancy is unpaid your "always free"-classed instances can be terminated without notice in order to provide capacity for a paid tenancy when necessary. You can upgrade to paid tenancy and simply keep using "always free" resources for a $0.00 monthly bill.
- IceWreck 4y agoI'm still on unpaid tenancy and oracle docs say that reclaim servers which are under or overutilized. I use my oracle free servers (and one paid vps on hetzner) as automatic cloud fallbacks if my homelab is inaccessible over the internet for some reason. Which means I fall in the underutilized category as most of the time workload is under 2%. So I "fake" work to prevent reclaimation by oracle and its worked well so far. ``` # Oracle Cloud reclaims idle resources # https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier_topic-Always_Free_Resources.htm#compute__idleinstances https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier... - name: Create cronjob for minimum CPU utilization ansible.builtin.cron: name: fake work to prevent re-claimation special_time: hourly job: timeout 30s sha1sum /dev/zero ```
- usr1106 4y agoOracle did not accept my credit card. The same one AWS has been charging successfully for years. But I don't really want to do business with Oracle anyway, maybe it's better so.
- lopkeny12ko 4y agoI don't understand the hype around ARM64 in the server space. Is this just due to all the marketing from Apple around their proprietary M processors leaking into the enterprise market? The latest Xeon and EPYC offerings are very performance competitive, I doubt we need to overhaul and entire processor ISA paradigm for continued improvements.
- nr2x 4y agoFor me at least, if I knew I was getting same performance for less energy I’d actually be willing to pay a bit more. Data centers are big polluters still. I think we likely can get to nearly 100% renewables in the non-distant future, and lower energy per compute unit is part of that.
- lelanthran 4y ago> For me at least, if I knew I was getting same performance for less energy I’d actually be willing to pay a bit more. Well if they're spending less to power my ARM machine, then they should damn well be charging me less to host it. That's the best, and only, long term path towards more efficient compute.
- nr2x 4y agoInteresting parallel is I have an electric car, which I pay more for and has limitations. But for me I think the societal benefit is great enough I’ll eat the cost. So if it gets data centers to invest in energy savings because they pocket the difference I’m ok with it.
- lelanthran 4y ago> But for me I think the societal benefit is great enough I’ll eat the cost. I don't mind eating the cost to save the planet if there is a cost. What I am objecting to is businesses making a larger profit off people who want to save the planet. They're literally taking your goodwill and turning it into profit. If they aren't interested in saving the planet, then why are you giving them money, instead of giving it to their competitors? I guess the question is, why not pay less to save the planet? Your extra money doesn't go towards saving the planet, it goes towards making you feel like you're saving the planet.
- okasaki 4y agoThose aren't the prices I'm seeing when I try to create a new server. I'm getting: CAX11 - 3.95eur/m CAX21 - 7.19/m CAX31 - 14.39/m CAX41 - 28.79/m 1 ipv6 costs me 0.6/m
- detaro 4y agopresumably that's prices with the appropriate-to-your-location VAT applied?
- miyuru 4y agoI think you meant to say IPv4. IPv6 is free.
- subsequentmask 4y agoThese are the prices w/o IPv4 added aren't they.
- aendruk 4y agoI’ve never paid much attention to Hetzner but this interested me. Upon clicking the call to action in the announcement they blocked me with “Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected”. I have no interest in subjecting myself to this treatment.
- sgtfrankieboy 4y agoIt's literally just an alternative to Cloudflares attack protection.
- aendruk 4y agoOkay, and responding to their ad is an “attack”?
- sgtfrankieboy 4y agoIt might be, it's to filter out would be attackers. Normal users are just hit as well.
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- fckgw 4y agoDo you get this indigent over every error message you see?
- MuffinFlavored 4y agoit’s almost like VPS hosting services have to be careful due to rampant fraud or something
- grrdotcloud 4y agoThere's a level of friction that is too much for some. I'm attempting to soften that friction when I launch my PaaS My concern over bots and misuse is a concern. I'm thinking of crippling the free service to allow full functionality but limiting it's use to really tiny files.
- drcongo 4y agoAmazing news. Your move Digital Ocean.
- Havoc 4y agoMore benchmarking. Some of the speedtests coming back >10gigs is a bit of a surprise given price point https://hastebin.com/share/biyejiriyi.bash https://hastebin.com/share/biyejiriyi.bash https://hastebin.com/share/unocorikef.bash https://hastebin.com/share/unocorikef.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ujixoxazit.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ujixoxazit.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ofezuyodob.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ofezuyodob.bash
- r1ch 4y agoThis probably won't last, the servers aren't fully loaded with VMs yet.
- Kaibu 4y agoI regularly get 3-5gbit on their regular cloud servers to consumer ISPs. They definitly don't overbook their vms regarding bandwith.
- Jamie9912 4y agoFor comparison, here's an AWS a1.large instance (2cpus, 4GB ram) YABS benchmark I just ran https://gist.githubusercontent.com/12932/8ba27254846072a43b01050fbf0a9f43/raw/4a9651404810a4971b34c50f7a19cd2df9fe9714/aws_a1_large_8gb_gp2.txt https://gist.githubusercontent.com/12932/8ba27254846072a43b0...
- Havoc 4y agoJikes. Why is the hdd read so bad? 6 MB/s. Six?
- BackBlast 4y ago4k block size, it's IOPS limited. No surprise there.
- banana_giraffe 4y agoIt's gated by the default IOPS limits, you'll note the larger block sizes have a considerably better throughput. You can increase the IOPS, and thus the throughput for 4k operations, but at a cost, of course: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Q726kbXuN/7f03a9c11cab514eeec5851ea4105e9d/raw/bf116716a7a71b2a6b4c176a8632ef93169253ff/compare_iopstxt https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Q726kbXuN/7f03a9c11cab514...
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y agoThey also quietly removed their Apple M1 server option - anyone knows why? not reliable enough?
- e40 4y agoAppears to be ARM v8.2, which is important to some.
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- pachico 4y agoWe are decommissioning all our dedicated servers at Hetzner. This is not because we didn't like that service but because we are concentrating our efforts in AWS. It's been a wonderful ride. It's cheap and reliable. I wish our team was big enough to afford having to deal with dedicated hardware.
- andix 4y agoHetzner also has cloud servers and an API to provision them. There is even a terraform module for hetzner cloud. It works very well. But they don’t provide any managed services, like databases or blob storage.
- pachico 4y agoYup, reason why we stay in AWS
- gnyman 4y agoScaleway and OVH are two other European companies who provide things like managed databases and blob storage, in addition to very competitively priced dedicated hardware and services. One thing I personally like with OVH is that they have fixed prices for things like bandwidth, not pay-per-GB like most others.
- derfabianpeter 4y agoIf that’s the only reason, we offer managed databases of many flavors on hetzner. https://www.ayedo.de https://www.ayedo.de
- andix 4y agoThat’s awesome, good to know. Do you provide a self service portal and an API for your services, or is it a manual process? Because on the website it always refers me to get in contact with sales. And you know how much developers hate human interaction :D
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- trvz 4y agoGeekbench 5 results for rough comparison, best of 3+ runs: --- Intel 1-core VPS single: 719 (2 GB RAM) --- Intel 2-core VPS single: 729 Intel 2-core VPS multi: 1402 (4 GB RAM) --- AMD 2-core VPS single: 1141 AMD 2-core VPS multi: 2214 (2 GB RAM) --- Ampere 2-core VPS single: 872 Ampere 2-core VPS multi: 1716 (4 GB RAM) --- Ampere 16-core VPS single: 880 Ampere 16-core VPS multi: 12143 (32 GB RAM) --- And for some fun, my iPad Pro from 2018, single: 1135 If Android CPUs are 4 years behind Apple, then Arm on servers is maybe 8 years.
- smoldesu 4y agoAt least till the big boys arrive: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/
- jayonsoftware 4y agoDo they have servers in US ? Who would be the Hertzner equvelent in US when it comes to low cost dedicated hosting
- oriettaxx 4y agoyes, they do have now two Data Centers in the US https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/rechenzentrum/ https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/rechenzentrum/ * Oregon * Virginia
- barryp 4y agoYes, the have datacenters in Virginia and Oregon - seems to just be AMD servers though (no Intel or ARM). Been using a couple VPSes in Oregon, pretty happy with them.
- zackmorris 4y agoI implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku, but expect similar prices and nearly as high of a configuration burden. So what's the point of all that? Seriously, one server with 16 cores and the memory bandwidth and storage speed of SSD drives should be able to serve many thousands of simultaneous requests and millions of users per month. I can't help but feel that the cloud infrastructure and microservice movement of the 2010s was.. a scam. I just need a place to run Docker, similar to what we had with Linode for running a shell 20 years ago. And don't tell me how to set it all up. Just give me a turnkey Terraform (or Ansible-inspired declarative configuration management tool) setup that has stuff like load balancing and some degree of more advanced features like denial of service protection out of the box. What we used to think of as managed hosting, but open source, and with sane defaults for running standard suites like Laravel, Rails, etc. I have to assume that I'm just terribly out of it and something like this already exists. Otherwise I can't understand why someone doesn't just offer this and provide a way for us to pay them the millions of dollars we lose to spinning our wheels on cloud infrastructure with 1% utilization.
- j45 4y agoI don’t know that this is terribly off base. The cloud almost always ends up costing a lot more at scale and increasingly at the beginning. In some part this is because the cloud is someone else’s computers that you have to help pay for. The current incarnation of cloud was designed in part to work around scaling issues with Linux networking, which have long since been solved. What a $5 Linode/VPS can do today vs 10 years ago is much different from a linux standpoint alone before additional horsepower. At the same time tooling to host (docker, ansible, terraform) is making traditional devops heavier at times.
- MagicMoonlight 4y agoIsn’t this entire site run off a laptop in someone’s shed? And yet it’s got basically perfect uptime. Whereas the impenetrable cloud goes down every week and costs billions a year.
- betimsl 4y agoWhy? What is the advantage of running arm over x86 on servers?
- betimsl 4y agoSomebody down voted this. I really would like to understand why did they do it? What is wrong with this question?
- faeriechangling 4y agoWhat I want to know is why migrate to ARM when RISC-V is around the corner?
- betimsl 4y agoEventually RISC-V will put them out of business but until that time comes, everyone is free to try to convince people otherwise.
- g42gregory 4y agoWith the energy prices in Europe being what they are (and systemically higher than in North America and especially in Asia), will Hetzner be able to provide low prices that they currently have?
- werid 4y agothey increased prices a bit some months ago.
- e63f67dd-065b 4y ago> The new server plans start at the unbeatable prices of just € 3.79 a month, which includes an IPv4 address, and there is no setup fee or minimum contract period. If users’ servers only exist for part of the month, they will only pay for the hours when the servers existed. This hourly billing option gives customers even more flexibility and will help keep costs low Unless I'm blind, the price clearly says 4.52 EUR/mo with IPv4 at https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud for a CAX11 instance, the smallest listed there. Edit: nevermind, I didn't deselect Germany's 19% VAT. It is indeed 3.79 euros before sales tax.
- martin_a 4y ago4.52 is the price with German VAT included, without it, it's 3.79.
- alberth 4y agoI love Hetzner compute offerings (not just price, but the CPUs they offer). But their hardware design could improve. See picture below. https://twitter.com/PetrCZE01/status/1637122488025923585 https://twitter.com/PetrCZE01/status/1637122488025923585
- nathants 4y agoinelastic rented metal billed by the month is for great good. glad to see more being released. elastic aws cloud billed by the second is for great good. glad to see this continuing to mature. neither of these is great when they are idle 90% of the time. one of them is really not great. why are there so much idle yet paid for resources? it’s complicated, and not for technical reasons. empty housing is similar.