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Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

• meepmorp 4y ago
  He is completely making this up as he goes along. Edit: he's still completely asking this up as he goes along
  • LouisSayers 4y ago
    In certain circles they'd call "making it up as they go" iterating on a product...
    • encryptluks2 4y ago
      Yes... when companies promise lifetime subscriptions for software and then change the terms to remove those promises, it also produces outrage.
    • aorloff 4y ago
      They used to have a product, which was advertising. That's pretty much dead now. They might have a product in subscriptions, depending on how many people sign up. But the debt is going to tank the company in 16 months unless the subscription business really defies gravity.
• vinyl7 4y ago
  I guess people were getting bored without all the t-man drama so we've switch to Elon drama
  • andirk 4y ago
    Part of why he's now hated by a lot of people is that he's saying things like "free speech" rather than "ban all T Man all places!" It's oddly connected. I'm sure Kanye will show up in this battle of the moneymen at some point.
• elmerfud 4y ago
  Good job on the new Twitter policies that make no sense.
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• SXX 4y ago
  Other accounts that used by journalists and OSINT community still remain banned: https://twitter.com/PutinJet https://twitter.com/PutinJet https://twitter.com/RUOligarchJets https://twitter.com/RUOligarchJets https://twitter.com/USAirForceVIP https://twitter.com/USAirForceVIP https://twitter.com/AirForceTrack https://twitter.com/AirForceTrack https://twitter.com/bezosjets https://twitter.com/bezosjets Do you know any other banned accounts? Let's make a list to make sure they all restored. UPD: More accounts... https://twitter.com/zuccjet https://twitter.com/zuccjet
  • clouddrover 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet https://twitter.com/SpaceXJet And his own account: https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney
    • yreg 4y ago
      Why is Jxck's personal account banned? What did he do? Applying bans retroactively seems very unfair. (Unless this is an automated mistake.)
      • jacquesm 4y ago
        That's the whole point: this is all just a figleaf, Elon Musk has a long history of going after people that show him up in every way possible. Next up: the lawsuit. Wait for it.
        • philosopher1234 4y ago
          No need to wait. He tweeted about it an hour ago
          • jacquesm 4y ago
            Heh, Ok. Checked that box. Very predictable though. Pity that he won the case against that diver. If he had lost that one it might have saved us all a lot of trouble.
• sleepybrett 4y ago
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  • kelthuzad 4y ago
    yes, seems so, just tried it myself
  • memish 4y ago
    He's being inundated with explicit death threats even more than usual, and usual is a lot*. Leaving the Twitter account up, and those like it, but delaying data by 24 hours is a sensible compromise and the policy applies to everyone's physical safety. * https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649?lang=en https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649?...
    • hesInstigating 4y ago
      He’s instigated death threats against Fauci. No one asked either of them to be public figures. They can go away whenever they want. Their status is not an immutable law of reality and humanity tends to have a history of not giving a toss about being helicoptered by self aggrandizing individuals. The data is available real time by law elsewhere. He’s not routing around anything, just trying to insulate himself from consequences of his actions, and cement his genius by flailing around like the party drug using, half wit he actually is.
      • memish 4y ago
        > He’s instigated death threats against Fauci. No he has not. In fact I bet you can't show us where he's called for anyone's death.
        • xqcgrek2 4y ago
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• thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
  Where is the Mastodon or RSS feed with live data?
  • kgwxd 4y ago
    The fell back to using Facebook earlier today facepalm
    • treesknees 4y ago
      They didn't "fall back" to Facebook. ElonJet has been on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Telegram, and Truth Social this entire time. And as of 7 hours ago Mastodon.social as well. [1] [1] https://grndcntrl.net/links/ https://grndcntrl.net/links/
      • ncallaway 4y ago
        I’ve never cared about his jets before, but… well, I’m following now. Streisand strikes again
        • kgwxd 4y ago
          Same here, Mastodon was the one I was waiting for.
  • foxylad 4y ago
    It's on Mastodon: @elonjet@mastodon.social
    • blackthornyugen 4y ago
      It appears that mastodon.social suspended it already.
  • humanistbot 4y ago
    The data is already public. The bot was scraping from: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
• philosopher1234 4y ago
  I am fully expecting this thread to be swarmed by HN users claiming this is a righteous upholding of principals and Elon Musk is a pure man free of hypocrisy, with only the thickest skin. Wont stop me from being mad about it, though.
  • jonny_eh 4y ago
    I honestly find it impossible for anyone to defend this self-serving behaviour.
    • SXX 4y ago
      Let's be honest - he owns the company and he have every right to do whatever he want with it including burning it all to the ground. So he could just ban that account to begin with and everyone would just learn that Twitter is now his private fan club. Instead he given some empty promises about "being free speech absolutist" and "not banning account that track his private jet" just to do exactly that shortly after. It's hypocrisy and he should pay dearly for that with what reputation he still have.
      • jacquesm 4y ago
        The problem he's going to have to contend with is that you can't be a partial free speech absolutist, especially not when all the exceptions have to do with your own person. It puts the lie to most of his statements on the subject so far. Not that there was any doubt.
        • sylens 4y ago
          The Verge called all of this (https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...) back when he initially took over
          • jacquesm 4y ago
• mjn 4y ago
  This appears to be the new policy: https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165959669354496 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165959669354496
  • ceejayoz 4y ago
    “live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes, actual physical location, or other identifying information that would reveal a person’s location, regardless if this information is publicly available” This makes “I am at <concert> watching <performer>” a violation.
    • creaghpatr 4y ago
      "Content that shares location information related to a public engagement or event, such as a concert or political event, is also permitted." Literally the next sentence in the thread linked.
      • ceejayoz 4y ago
        A plane taking off is a public event, and that statement isn’t in the actual policy linked.
        • creaghpatr 4y ago
          https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165967453868032?s=20&t=6RH3Gwb7BQ0jRJiNUxY7CA https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165967453868032...
          • ceejayoz 4y ago
            Again, that’s not in the “full policy” in the final link. An exception documented only in a Twitter thread might as well not exist. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...
• spoils19 4y ago
  I hope 40four can be flabbergasted at Elon's Twitter that the account is now allowed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33986234
• 323 4y ago
  Meanwhile all the Elon Musk jet stories are disappearing fast from the front page. The main one with over 1k comments and points survived only 6 hours.
  • timcederman 4y ago
    I noticed that too - the one I clicked on was in the top 5, and minutes later it was on page 3.
    • roflyear 4y ago
      https://www.ycombinator.com/future/elon/ https://www.ycombinator.com/future/elon/
  • dang 4y ago
    I explained that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33992824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33992824. In principle we would turn off the user flags and software penalties, but the thread quality is so wretched that I see no upside. I'm shocked, and I don't shock easily after 10 years of this.
    • roflyear 4y ago
      How is discussing something related to tech destructive?
      • dang 4y ago
        Those two things are unrelated. Discussion that breaks the HN guidelines is destructive, whether or not it's tech related, because it pushes HN in the direction of going down in flames. Preventing that from happening is the #1 job we have. Arguably the default fate of internet forums is to eventually burn out and become scorched earth, but the idea of HN from the beginning has been to stave that off for as long as we can. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=stave%20off%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20scorched%20earth&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
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• darkteflon 4y ago
  Im reminded of this excellent article from a mere 12 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33832866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33832866
  • rnk 4y ago
    Everyone should read that techdirt article. They predicted the future!
  • meepmorp 4y ago
    Phew, it's from November 2nd - I was wondering why it seemed like longer than 12 days since I'd read it. It's been incredibly accurate.
    • darkteflon 4y ago
      Oops, yes quite right. 12 days ago was just the date of discussion here.
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    They missed the 'Boss someone did something that is ok by all of our rules, in fact the ones that you yourself set and publicly announced but that are probably going to upset you'. As the once-upon-a-time moderator of a very large website this list reads all too familiar. Thanks for posting it!
• braydenm 4y ago
  Elon Musk @elonmusk: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 "Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok."
  • SXX 4y ago
    Apparently slightly delayed means 24 hours: > We define “live” as real-time and/or same-day information where there is potential that the individual could still be at the named location. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...
    • joering2 4y ago
      Such a slipper slope for a guy who announce during TED talk, he is okay with all freedom of speech and leave it to government to decide aka if something is illegal then it should not be under free speech. It is 24 hours now... what about in the future breaking news at Musk conference will require 10 years space. Also the whole idea of doxing him... is he special or not? Otherwise we should not track anyone's flying info... but then government keeps this data open. Funny, the government turned out to give you more freedom of speech than a private company!
  • yreg 4y ago
    This seems like a reasonable policy to me, especially when involving stalking well-known people (as opposed to taking a selfie with my mates at Micky D). The problem is, that Elon very publicly and explicitly promised that @ElonJet would be allowed to continue as it is. His words mean less and less…
• KyleJune 4y ago
  And... It's suspended again just now.
  • SXX 4y ago
    Twitter is officially a dumpster fire.
    • moffkalast 4y ago
      Am I the only one wondering when it stopped being one?
    • foverzar 4y ago
      Always has been.
      • interpol_p 4y ago
        People keep saying this but I have never found it to be the case for me. I meet and collaborate with amazing engineers on Twitter, and often get help with tricky problems. I have also had a lot of success using it to spread the word about my own projects.
        • jacquesm 4y ago
          Agreed, Twitter when properly curated was very useful.
          • catiopatio 4y ago
            Your viewpoints were highly privileged on Twitter for a long time. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
      • kccoder 4y ago
        Correct, it was always a dumpster fire. Now an entire landfill is on fire.
• jacquesm 4y ago
  No they didn't. Or if they did they banned it again after their new figleaf rules were enacted. You can't make this up, what a mess.
  • falcolas 4y ago
    They re-banned it. When this was first posted, you could indeed see the account. Sigh.
  • KyleJune 4y ago
    They banned it again about 8 minutes ago. I was scrolling through the linked thread when it got suspended and the tweets disappeared.
    • jacquesm 4y ago
      He should make up his mind about this 'free speech' thing and then stick to whatever decision he comes up with for at least a couple of months. This is beyond silly.
      • bb88 4y ago
        Yeah... if he really cared about anyone else's personal safety other than his own, he wouldn't have fired the twitter safety team, and then not said anything about a former twitter executive. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-tw...
        • jacquesm 4y ago
          Elon mostly cares about Elon and the rest of the world are cardboard NPCs to him as far as I'm interpreting all of his actions for the last two months.
          • cagenut 4y ago
            you typo'd decades its just more clear to more remote/casual observers the last two months
• charles_f 4y ago
  https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af I don't see the point of blocking it on Twitter when it's readily available on any flight tracking platform.
  • theonething 4y ago
    Having it show up automatically on your twitter feed is different from have to know bout and intentionally use a tracking platform to look for a specific person's plane.
    • charles_f 4y ago
      If you are nuts enough that you want to shoot that person's plane, motivation is there to click on a link you can find in a minute of searching on Google
• thwayunion 4y ago
  "This tweet is from a suspended account" Bug or banned? In modern twitter, who knows?! Meanwhile, half the bots I've blocked still show up in my news feed (when it loads and I check, both of which have diminished greatly in the past few weeks)
  • SXX 4y ago
    It been unbanned for about an hour and then banned again. Unfortunately I can no longer edit the title.
  • heywherelogingo 4y ago
    Eventual consistency.
• mbreese 4y ago
  Is Twitter actually working now? I get nothing but errors from the iOS app and the web. Edit: figured it out - content filter on the wifi I was using was filtering out some but not all Twitter URLs. It’s always DNS, I should know better.
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    Works for me. Not logged in though.
  • lexandstuff 4y ago
    I find the tabs on the Explore page return errors about 20% of the time. Also, yesterday Trending was offline for an hour or so, and random keywords like Telegram were blocked and then unblocked [1]. It's about as broken as you'd expect for a company that just lost ~70% of its headcount. [1] https://twitter.com/kingslyj/status/1601933093006610433 https://twitter.com/kingslyj/status/1601933093006610433
• bb88 4y ago
  And then it's banned again.
• medellin 4y ago
  Elon posted just now saying the reason for this was someone was stalking his child last night thinking it was him and blocked the car.
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    Very believable. Of course spouting a load of nonsense about former Twitter employees to the point that they have to evacuate their home is perfectly ok by that same token.
    • coffeeblack 4y ago
      They did not.
    • catiopatio 4y ago
      • tene80i 4y ago
        “Yoel Roth, Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced from their home after Elon Musk’s tweets misrepresented Roth’s academic writing about sexual activity and children.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-tw...
        • catiopatio 4y ago
          “Yoel Roth, Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced from their home … according to a person familiar with Roth’s situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity” Forgive me if I don’t give the Washington Post’s vague reporting and anonymous sources much credence. There are zero details here, and no claim of independent verification other than repeating the hearsay of an anonymous “person familiar” — not even a direct source. How has this story been verified? If it was verified, how were they “forced”? Under what circumstances, specifically? This isn’t reporting, it’s outrage farming.
• hakanderyal 4y ago
  Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944
  • wesleywt 4y ago
    But generating hate against the Jews and Trans people is okay. Those tweets stay up.
    • polygamous_bat 4y ago
      The egos of malignant narcissists are the fragile, precious flowers that we should strive to protect for a better tomorrow /s
  • villgax 4y ago
    Lol how does it make sense to connect the public data plane tracker with someone following a car
    • trident5000 4y ago
      You get into a car after a plane
      • TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
        I am usually getting on a bus or train.
        • trident5000 4y ago
          Yeah, Elon and his family are going to take the Greyhound.
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  • memish 4y ago
    Countless literal death threats didn't do it. https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649?lang=en https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649?... But when it starts getting that close to kids, maybe you'd start to take it more seriously too.
    • failuser 4y ago
      That is publicly available information. How hard is to grasp that?
      • ImHereToVote 4y ago
        Do you have kids?
        • 650REDHAIR 4y ago
        • tsuujin 4y ago
          Won’t somebody /please/ think of the children?!?! I have kids. This whole thing is stupid. Elon is a hypocrite.
    • SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      Hey remember the last time Musk used a claim about one of his kids to justify an action that against was what he previously said would be his policy? What was that, a week ago?
    • gamblor956 4y ago
      Boohoo. Elon Musk got a few dozen death threats. Everyone he targets his army at gets thousands of death threats each. And Elon has a very, very, long list of past targets. If Elon wants the death threats to stop he should stop instigating them against others.
• saboot 4y ago
  Is he afraid of a stalker following him in a plane? He uses this as an excuse, then discredits himself by going on to threaten legal action against Sweeney. Wants it both ways.
  • fallous 4y ago
    Knowing when/where a private plane lands makes it a lot easier to stalk the passengers of that plane. This is of course entirely separate from whether such info was used against Musk or his family, or whether such a possibility is sufficient grounds for attempting to silence those who make it easily accessible (it's still accessible thanks to ADS-B for anyone with basic technical skills and cares enough).
    • jacquesm 4y ago
      Conclusion: if you are concerned about stalkers do not use private planes. Because that information is out there anyway and closing the one account on Twitter is definitely not going to stop any determined stalker.
    • pclmulqdq 4y ago
      Bernard Arnault (the new richest person in the world, and head of LVMH group) gave up his personal private jet to avoid this kind of tracking. Elon Musk can too if he wants to avoid the scrutiny.
      • tpmx 4y ago
        Instead opting to rent different private jets from a fleet.
        • pclmulqdq 4y ago
          Yes, he's not about to fly commercial first class like one of the poors. He just has a better sense of opsec than Elon Musk, and a desire to stay out of the spotlight.
• cdjk 4y ago
  Given that it's suspended again - if I create an account that tweets where Elon's jet was yesterday, would that be ok?
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• seo-speedwagon 4y ago
  He should just make a rule that you can’t post about his plane. People would appreciate the honesty
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    But it would destroy the hero and champion image... and that's what he can't have.
    • andirk 4y ago
      He spread his reach too far and now he's neither a Lib hero (electric cars) nor a Plub here (being rich). And since he's a professional troll, it's really easy to not like him. Not sure he meant for it to go this way. He didn't even want to buy Twitter. That was probably the most epic Rick Roll backfire ever.
    • PestoDiRucola 4y ago
      Not to his cult followers who are pretty much what's left of his fans. They would never betray their narcissistic cult leader.
  • dools 4y ago
    You mean "Prosecute should just make a rule that you can't post about Fauci's plane". Correct pronouns, please.
    • tzs 4y ago
      For anyone confused about that, Musk tweeted a couple of days ago that his personal pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci.
• throw03172019 4y ago
  Okay, isn’t finding the car of Elon in a city as big as LA much harder? The plane tracker didn’t solve the needle in a haystack problem
• heywherelogingo 4y ago
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  • nmalaguti 4y ago
    I believe the worst thing you can be is a hypocrite. We can disagree about value systems, but if you don’t practice what you preach then I have no reason to respect you. I don’t care if Twitter decides to allow this kind of information or not, but don’t claim safety and then disregard the safety of others. Don’t claim free speech and then silence speech you don’t like. Elon is clearly doing what’s best for Elon, and that’s fine too. But I won’t tolerate him pretending he’s doing anything other than putting himself first. And I’ll make my own choices based on that. If I think my interests align with his, I should stick with him. But practically none of our interests align. We don’t share any common problems. Elon doesn’t think he needs me or anyone else (and he has so much wealth he really doesn’t). I wouldn’t count myself lucky to be in the same lifeboat as him on the off chance he decides I’m dead weight and tosses me overboard.
• MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  What if you tweet the airports that his plane isn't at?
  • toomanydoubts 4y ago
    Too much effort for the reader to work out which one he's in, I guess?
  • kccoder 4y ago
    Elon was always never at Heathrow does have a nice ring to it.
• dfghjkl2589 4y ago
  legal asked us to ban it again after they learned elon's goal. which was to shadownban-2.0 the account when needed to delay news of certain travel. he came up with the idea when we pointed out other smaller accounts started to post the info and we were considering flagging them as bot last week.
  • tough 4y ago
    wait this is wild, so much for free speech 2.0
    • sarahlwalks 4y ago
      We might get tired of so much free speech. Hang on a second....<touches ear> I'm being told I'm actually sick of it right now
    • hunterb123 4y ago
      wait so you're saying doxing is on the same level as dissenting the government? one thing is broadcasting personal information about a citizen, one is protecting a citizens right to object to actions by their government. collecting public information is still doxxing. most doxxing involves only public information as it happens across the internet. edit: a downvote is not a rebuttal, sorry, try again.
      • jacquesm 4y ago
        Aircraft are not citizens.
        • hunterb123 4y ago
          So you wouldn't mind your car being tracked and publicly broadcast? It is just an automobile after all, and vehicles aren't citizens... Cue fallback argument. EDIT: added clarification to distinguish between Tweeting coordinates and Onstar services.
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• ggm 4y ago
  It's a private space. He can do what he likes. We draw conclusions about what we think, but thats going to good-or-bad justified-or-unjustified consistent-or-inconsistent as matters of opinion. I note that he said he wanted a space with less constraint. He said it quite simply and directly. He's capable of both changing his mind, and in believing this is consistent, and in not caring either way. I left twitter some time ago. Long before Musk's offer to buy kicked in. I think this is a fight amongst people I have little in common with. This isn't really a "who cares" post because it is interesting. And arguably important. Mostly it's importance goes to the problem that Musk is now overtly in Politics, and has declared his non-neutrality in the US domestic political sphere. If he hadn't done that, I think there would be little more to remark on here than when Jack Dorsey did mildly irrational things. But a declaration to partisan views in politics changes that somewhat: he has control of a massive media machine in a politically charged context. It is theoretically possible the FTC and the FCC both are looking at this wondering what (if anything) they can or should do. I suspect its reached a point where neither can, arguably even if they should: they lost the moment of force and the basis of "why" has also become politically charged. The FTC would only really be driven to act if he imperils US citizens private information or interferes in trade between entities in the public eye, Or if this influences investment decisions to the share value of SpaceX and Tesla assuming there is a public share concern. The FCC would only be driven by communications law and since Twitter isn't a common carrier or ISP as I understand them and isn't in mobile communications or RF spectrum management spaces, I don't see their role. He may now have burdens with justice department and warrents to examine logs and data as an ongoing cost of doing business. Not because of what he says but because of the evidentiary status of what Twitter is for other people in the context of the US LEA and justice system. The EU wants to talk but their legal paths to talk to him about what he is doing to European cultural norms, LEA and related, regulatory, location of data, GDPR whatever else, is pretty complex. And as long as he provides other outcomes like EV for the transition off Gas, and starlink to circumvent ISP monopolies they probably don't want to yank the chain too hard either.
  • _JoRo 4y ago
    I'm curious where people see Musk in terms of his politics. I see him as center/right-center (U.S) with the occasional right troll post. The part that I don't like about him taking over Twitter is this: When he initially took over I was under the impression that he wanted to promote a free-speech platform that is primarily designed for thoughtful dialogue between people. However, I'm not sure the platform will trend towards this when he has so many troll posts (given his influence on the platform). I think that given its current trajectory the platform in a few months will consist of primarily right-leaning individuals, and far-left individuals who feel it is their duty to constantly debate the right.
• jmyeet 4y ago
  The idea that this is somehow doxxing is beyond ridiculous. It's public data thaat anyone can read on a website (eg flightradar) or pick up themselves with a cheap receiver. That system is ADS-B. Knowing your plane (and not necessarily you) is at 37,000 feet above Iowa only represents a threat to someone with a serious SAM capability or interceptor jets. Or even that it's at LAX. Think about this: we know where Air Force One is. So why is this public? The design and history of ADS-B is an interesting topic that was talked about more during in its development and rollout. One of the design elements that's questionable is that there's really no verification on the broadcast data. You can broadcast what you want. There are demoes of people hooking up Flight Simulator and showing the ADS-B transmissions they could make that would mimic their location, altitude and heading. They didn't do broadcast it of course. It's a felony to do so. All of this sprung from the desire to get rid of ground radar at airports. There are lots of reasons for this, some good, some questionable. But it remains clear that this represents a plausible security threat. So you can ask should ADS-B data be public? Well there's really no alternative. It's designed that way. The FAA has been working on privacy options for this. I'm not sure the current status. Anyway, people rail on Elon in particular because he's so incredibly thin-skinned (eg banning people posting clips of him getting booed when onstage with Dave Chappelle) and he's a self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist", which everyone knows is a complete lie. Elon banning ElonJet is yet more evidence of that lie. People take great pleasure in such people getting egg on their face.
  • turtlebits 4y ago
    Just because public data is available doesn't mean it can't be weaponized against you. I'm sure there would be a huge outrage if someone started publicly posting ALPR data and you could track people by their license plate.
  • 8note 4y ago
    To large extent, doxxing is providing public information in a venue it usually wouldn't be shown in, and where people with bad intentions who otherwise wouldn't think to look for that information will see it. It's drawing attention to obscure public information, and most things that involve politeness do run on security by obscurity.
• memish 4y ago
  We constantly hear about how the most mundane criticism on social media is inflicting harm, and words are violence and stochastic terrorism, and ChatGPT needs baby guardrails, but when there are literal death threats (https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649 https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1519167734910619649) and physical proximity to kids (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944) the very same people are suddenly dismissing any possible harm. What's going on?
  • greenthrow 4y ago
    This is so disingenuous. The location of Elon's Private Jet is publicly available info just like any aircraft operating in the US. It also has nothing to do with the alleged stalker attack on his car.
  • Sebb767 4y ago
    > Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family. Is he going to sue the FAA? His live might not be easy, but if he really wants Twitter to be a bastion of free speech, reposting very easy to find public information is probably not where the line is crossed. Also, I'm pretty sure that the people who think of the most mundane things being said by ChatGPT are harmful are not the same ones siding with elonjet/sweeny here.
    • 8note 4y ago
      What are the harmful things chatgpt is saying? I thought it only said wrong things with great confidence
      • Sebb767 4y ago
        OpenAI is explicitly trying to filter ChatGPT from saying things that may insult people, describe criminal activity (like how to hotwire a car or how to make methamphetamine), incite self-harm and the likes. Instead, you will get a generic "I'm a language model and can't answer that" response. I did not see much people complain about ChatGPT in particular (most likely because the filter works quite well in non-adverserial scenarios), but previous language models have famously started insulting people and have gone as far as to try to convince people to commit suicide. In assuming best interest, though, the grandparent most likely referred to worries about it expressing non-politically correct views.
• jimbob45 4y ago
  Why the weird Elon hate over this? My understanding was that this broke Twitter TOS and that he was leaving it up as a gesture of good faith. If he wants to take it down to keep things consistent across Twitter, why the hate? I know the Elon hate boner on HN is strong but this seems absurd.
  • SXX 4y ago
    There are several reasons why: 1. Hypocrisy. He publicly promised not to take it down and then done it in secret. 2. Twitter first shadow-banned account and only after being caught actually blocked it completely. 3. TOS been changed only after account was banned. 4. Supposedly their rules apply retroactively for prior posts. 5. Bot creator account was also banned so it was personal and not because TOS. 6. Most ADS-B tracking accounts were banned including those tracking government flights and not individuals. PS: I dont have anything against "Elon Musk private person", but I were using Twitter for a long time so I share my thougths about his decision.
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  • philosopher1234 4y ago
    Best accuse your enemy of no argument if you can’t come up with one yourself, eh?
    • heywherelogingo 4y ago
      It was removed - read much?
• LZ_Khan 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure this is the entire reason Elon bought Twitter.
• benced 4y ago
  I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!
  • djur 4y ago
    It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.
    • Thorentis 4y ago
      Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.
      • SXX 4y ago
        Can you prove there were ever intent to cause physical harm?
        • denlekke 4y ago
          I read much more intent to cause harm in Trump's Jan 6 tweets than I did in any of Jack Sweeney's but intent is really difficult to prove which makes it a terrible metric for objective moderation
      • gmnash 4y ago
        Disputing elections in good faith and lawfully is part of the democratic process. Incitement of insurrection after lawful means have been exhausted is by definition not part of the democratic process.
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• kivle 4y ago
  https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af Is posting this link illegal too? It's public information.
• kweingar 4y ago
  The new rule seems to have serious implications for journalism on Twitter. Often a news story states or implies the present location of a person (and not just at public events).
• __warlord__ 4y ago
  Would be nice if we could include how many tesla's worth of CO2 or how many trees are required to offset each flight of the #elonjet.
• c54 4y ago
  Worth remembering this is public information: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af Looks like they took down other accounts in violation of the new policy: https://twitter.com/airforcetrack https://twitter.com/airforcetrack https://twitter.com/gatesjets https://twitter.com/gatesjets https://twitter.com/CelebJets https://twitter.com/CelebJets
  • imgabe 4y ago
    If you own a home, your address may also be publicly available via county records. Does that make it ok to post someone’s home address?
    • __void 4y ago
      ...is perhaps the hundred and fiftieth time I have read this (or a similar variant) nonsense of false analogy, already debunked explained and reexplained in hundreds of variants I am beginning to think that the people who parrot it are not even interested in its response (already said and reiterated hundreds of times in the last 12 hours)
      • nonethewiser 4y ago
        > already debunked explained and reexplained in hundreds of variants Appeal to authority isnt a convincing argument. But if you're going to do it, you need to at least reference what you're appealing to.
      • xdennis 4y ago
        Would it hurt to link then?
        • __void 4y ago
          link? is literally the first line and the first link in the post above > Worth remembering this is public information: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
• ClassicOrgin 4y ago
  What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of commercial flights each year when you've got multiple Teslas and hundreds of private flights each year? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221213074257/https://twitter.com/elonjet https://web.archive.org/web/20221213074257/https://twitter.c...
  • nightowl_games 4y ago
    > How can you tell me... ? I'm not presenting this as fact but the argument is clearly that Musk's net effect on the global population is positive through his career choice and life's work, and that jetting around is necessary for him to complete this life's work.
    • mplewis 4y ago
      The thing that makes me think twice about that argument is that Elon has just spent an enormous sum of money on a social media website that doesn’t seem to further the goals of materially improving the world.
      • schiffern 4y ago
        It's not all-or-nothing. Musk can still deliver a net environmental benefit without every activity being directed solely toward that goal.
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      • chii 4y ago
        > doesn’t seem to further the goals of materially improving the world. why should that be a goal of his? I mean, unless you expect that just because he's rich, that he's obliged, how his enormous amount of money is spent is not something anyone else can critisize.
• bogomipz 4y ago
  He sure wasn't concerned with publishing real time information 6 weeks ago when he staged that cringe-worthy PR stunt of himself parading around the Twitter office lobby with a porcelain sink: "Entering Twitter HQ – let that sink in!"[1] [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585341984679469056?lang=en https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585341984679469056?lang...
• dools 4y ago
  The emphasis on safety for Fauci's family while simultaneously dismantling community safety rules on Twitter is pretty disconcerting. Prosecute really is a wannabe feudal lord. EDIT: Updated to include Elon's preferred pronouns.
  • pclmulqdq 4y ago
    I think the possessive version of Musk's pronoun is just "Fauci" not "Fauci's."
    • return_to_monke 4y ago
      I opt for Faucii. Familiae faucii.
• itbeho 4y ago
  A thought experiment would be to wonder if the same people that think it's ok to share "public" knowledge of the location of Elon's jet would agree to the same for Hillary Clinton, Obama, Newsom or Fauci. I'm genuinely curious how uniformly these beliefs are held, or if it's just a determination that Musk ain't in the club any longer and is considered fair game.
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    If they own private jets then that information is already out there. Why would you have to wonder about this?
  • kivle 4y ago
    Tracking flights of politicians is most definitely important public knowledge. It's one of the most useful tools to get some insight into what might be going on in the world, like the recent visit to Taiwan, yesterdays visit by Russia to Venezuela, etc.
• JamisonM 4y ago
  Two things jump to mind on this: 1. This is like the classic sorta thing where someone thinks a given freedom/right/restriction is ok until they feel threatened by it and suddenly it needs to be reconsidered.. it is ok in the abstract and then when the concrete harms possible become obvious your opinion changes (like being related to a victim of a mass shooting or being friends with someone gay that is being denied the rights of a "normal" marriage) 2. They could have just messaged the account owner and said "a delay of X hours is ok but real-time reporting is no longer permitted" and I am sure the account owner would have complied and they would have avoided this whole thing. It seems so deeply dysfunctional to have not done so - which is very on-brand for Musk-era Twitter.
  • AceJohnny2 4y ago
    "Hey Elon Let Me Help You Speed Run The Content Moderation Learning Curve" (November 2nd) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you...
• pgodzin 4y ago
  Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.
  • asdajksah2123 4y ago
    Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus
    • 77pt77 4y ago
      It always boils down to >It's different when I do it!
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    • VirusNewbie 4y ago
      Direction threats have always been against the law, what you claim is “harming already marginalized groups” is not at all the same thing, and not against the law. Unless you mean specifically targeting people, in which case, twitter and other places don’t allow this.
    • donatj 4y ago
      I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.
      • kentm 4y ago
        If you consider doxing as a real tangible harm then what about vulnerable groups coming under harm due to being singled out? LibsOfTikTok made claims about Boston Children’s Hospital that caused tangible harm and yet they were unbanned. You might say that LibsOfTikTok didn’t cause the harm, that the responsibility was on the people perpetrating the bomb threats, but the same logic applies to ElonJet and this “stalker” incident.
• benmmurphy 4y ago
  whether this policy is good or not this is going to hurt Elon because he went back on his word. however, isn't this kind of doxxing why kiwifarms got banned from the internet?
  • richbell 4y ago
    There is nothing wrong with posting publicly available flight data. Incidentally, Kiwi Farms did not get banned from the Internet.
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• djanogo 4y ago
  Elonjet was marked as automatic bot account. Both the bot and Sweeneys accounts were suspended. After updating the location policy Elonjet was unbanned. However, Sweeney started using elonjet bot account to tweet his non-bot stuff and it got banned. I assume ban is for incorrect use of account or getting around his personal ban.
• perryizgr8 4y ago
  Why is this topic dominating HN?? It's just a private website enforcing its own made up rules. They can do whatever they like, ban whoever they don't like. If you have a problem with it make your own Twitter.
  • rvz 4y ago
    Very sure that I've seen the same statement made before the Twitter takeover that it being a private platform and they can do whatever they like, add and enforce whatever rules in their TOS they like and ban whoever they like as long as long it is legal. It is still true now and it always has been for Twitter. If anyone doesn't like the bans on impersonators, unlabelled bots, real time live location trackers and the now removed illegal CP and child exploitation images being posted on Twitter which stayed their for years on Twitter before the takeover, they can indeed build their own federated Twitter to post all of that garbage. Twitter has always been a cesspool and the people screaming here about it should have left Twitter years ago; before Musk, instead of tolerating the garbage that proliferated on the site.
  • jasmer 4y ago
    Hundreds of millions of people use it. That something happens to be under some control of private interests, doesn't make it necessarily a private thing. To the extent that something is in the commons, well it's public. At least newsworthy and much more. The Federal Reserve is privately owned but we don't treat it like some rando llc.
    • perryizgr8 4y ago
      > be under some control of private interests, doesn't make it necessarily a private thing. It does actually, by definition.
      • jasmer 4y ago
        Your are confusing 'legal ownership of assets' with control, influence and power. It's difficult because the former perspective is more formal than the later, but really, it's not at all. In 1900 if your home was burning down, the firemen would only come if you paid a specific firehouse for insurance. If they were fighting a different fire, or if you didn't pay - then your place burns down. Even if all the firefighters are doing nothing. And your house will probably cause a bunch of other fires, creating viral destruction. Obviously this is completely stupid. So we socialized it, and even with 'government inefficiencies' it still has better outcomes than the former scenario. TikTok is a 'private company' until we decide it's not. There are externalizes in everything. If you want multi-generational asset permanence, you can stick to property ownership.
• nikolay 4y ago
  Twitter 2.0 suspended a bunch of my legitimate accounts without any explanation. Also, my personal account, opened in February 2007, is also in some kind of read-only mode - I cannot change my name. Actually, I don't want to change my name, just to remove some emoji suffix. The error I'm getting is "Account update failed: Denied." Twitter 1.0 sucked, but 2.0 sucks even more!
  • ihateolives 4y ago
    Emojis in names are like digital face tattoos. Why?
• Blue111 4y ago
  ElonJet was opensource, I thought... someone need to host it somewhere else
  • humanistbot 4y ago
    The data is public, the bot is just scraping https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
    • Blue111 4y ago
      I know that the data is public, but it takes a bit of code to do what he did.
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• ChrisCinelli 4y ago
  I am curious. What is the rationale behind the law that makes BE public info?
  • CaliforniaKarl 4y ago
    Indeed, airwaves in the US are public, and the FCC allocates spectrum to transmitters. But there's no law blocking who is allowed to listen on a given frequency. Read up on the Radio Act of 1927 for rationale. See also Executive Order 13642, "Making Open and Machine Readable the New Default for Government Information".
• fma 4y ago
  IMHO Elon is causing controversy to keep Twitter relevant. Amongst his many skills, he's a showman. Every little thing he tweets gets amplified by the media and places like HN. He needs activity to maintain relwvance and revenue. He's also become a diety of sorts for conservatives and IMHO likely trying to pull them back in after they left Twitter for other sites, or even for good.
  • burnished 4y ago
    I mean this as criticism; if this is an act, why not put on a better show? It seems clear that he’s just a normal, flawed human.
  • jacquesm 4y ago
    You see a skilled showman. I see a petty billionaire hell bent on pushing through his way whilst trying hard to sell us on him being a good guy. And I'm not buying it.
• engineer_22 4y ago
  The ElonJet saga is like a microcosm of political thought in the western world.
• mysecretaccount 4y ago
  Has anyone put up a website with the same jet tracking information that these now-suspended accounts had, in one place?
• Kye 4y ago
  I'm surprised he doesn't just have the pilot turn the ADS-B off given his attitude toward following the law.
  • SXX 4y ago
    In todays geopolitcal situation flight over US soil with transponder off will end rather shortly I guess. Fortunately for us rules for getting pilot license are rather strict.
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• motoxpro 4y ago
  Elon is speed running why content moderation exists.
• EasyTiger_ 4y ago
  Transparently astroturfed thread
• nickv 4y ago
  As a reminder, as Elon talks about personal safety, this is the man who posted personal information about a former employee of his on twitter that ended with him having to “move his entire family because of the death threats that showed up” https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/ex-twitter-employee-yoel-roth-flees-home-after-violent/441044 https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/ex-twitter-employ...
  • encryptluks2 4y ago
    The guy is a walking contradiction.
  • mlindner 4y ago
    Your link does not say what you says it says. Nowhere in that post does it say that Elon posted personal information about a former employee on twitter. Elon responded to a few old tweets by Yoel that some people had retweeted.
  • smsm42 4y ago
    I can't find which personal info did Musk publish about Yoel Roth in that linked article or any other. Was it home address? Or something else?
  • hackerlight 4y ago
    And Musk did this after saying he "trusts" Yoel. Why did Musk backstab Yoel within two weeks after publicly praising him? Probably because Yoel resigned from his position at Twitter in the intermim. Musk really is that fragile and narcissistic.
• osigurdson 4y ago
  "Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737
  • Master_Odin 4y ago
    Can't wait for Musk to go against the FAA for requiring this info be publicly announced and not restricted time wise. He also probably won't affect any account(s) that publish this information so long as it doesn't affect him personally. You know, free speech as approved by Musk and all.
    • osigurdson 4y ago
      This a pretty reductive take. Based on my observations so far,I don't think EM is as unprincipled as this suggests.
      • enragedcacti 4y ago
        Twitter already suspended someone who posted a video of Elon being booed, is it that much of a stretch?
        • osigurdson 4y ago
          If that is really the case then it is game over for Twitter.
      • jacquesm 4y ago
        No, you're right, it is probably much worse. But time will tell, let's be patient.
• maximilianburke 4y ago
  Yoel Roth could not be reached for comment.
• benreesman 4y ago
  I don’t have strong opinions on Elon Musk: I’ve heard such contradictory accounts from people with first-hand knowledge that I don’t know what to believe. Certainly what he’s doing with Twitter looks weird at best to another veteran of the social media business, but I can’t even claim to have put rockets into orbit, so what do I know. He was known for publicity stunts and deliberately contrarian statements for at least a decade now. But I think it’s a barometer for the degree to which 1-bit red team / blue team stuff has dominated the public head space that he went from peerless hero to menace to society right around the time he started talking some Trumpy shit. I’m roughly left of Lenin, so I personally have about zero patience with MAGA shit. But as concerning as MAGA shit is, I find the echo chamber even more worrisome.
• failuser 4y ago
  They also prevent posting links to elonmusksjet instagram. So free so speech.
• zxcvbn4038 4y ago
  Remember that Elon is powered by attention so you have to be critical of everything he says. Who knows if there was actually a stalker? Was Elon really targeted or was it just random? Could have been some homeless guy trying to clean the windows. The elonjet thing has been an annoyance to Elon for a long time, now that he owns the company he can force the guy onto another platform - and fuel the attention engine in the process. I think it’s as simple as that - not the grand commentary on free speech that people are trying to transform it into.
  • cma 4y ago
    It is also possible he needed a story to take attention off of his stock sales.
    • osrec 4y ago
      I was looking for the distraction piece this morning when I saw he was selling Tesla stock... This might be it.
  • mtrycz2 4y ago
    > Elon is powered by attention Is it renewable?
    • GraemeMeyer 4y ago
      He does seem to be able catalyse a reaction in thousands of journalists just by farting, so it does seem to be a limitless supply
    • zxcvbn4038 4y ago
      Considering how much newspaper and magazine space is consumed by Elon related materials, I think his carbon footprint is actually pretty awful. Giving Elon attention often costs billions of dollars so the price per watt is very high.
• jcpham2 4y ago
  I still haven’t used Twitter, I fear the platform will be gone by the time I’ve decided to give it a go
• tgv 4y ago
  So posting where it was yesterday would not violate the guidelines, assuming Elon, excuse the typo, I mean: someone, doesn't stay in the airport the whole day.
• curious_cat_163 4y ago
  This is not fair. However, Elon can change the rules arbitrarily and give his family special protections against harm. Why? Because he can. Because he owns the site. Because he paid big monies for it. And FWIW, if you care about it, build/own an alternative.
• pfoof 4y ago
  While, yes, the data could have been used to track him down, but reposting it on twitter is not enabling anyone to stalk. Crimimals that would want to hunt down Elon or X, would definitely have specialists who can gather this and other data without some random twitter user
  • ssnistfajen 4y ago
    Exactly. What elonjet posts is neither original or private. It is simply relaying information that could've been obtained via other means anyways. Placing blame on Jack Sweeney is a poorly thought-through decision. Sure he may have been emotional after the stalking incident, but the only case he has here is against the perpetrator, not Sweeney.
  • asteroidbelt 4y ago
    It is more nuanced than that. Professional criminals won’t have trouble locating Musk, but nut job activists may be not that smart and providing them location actually increases risk for Musk.
    • pfoof 4y ago
      Well, the guy on the video looked much more sophisticated than a random nut activist. They would rather go the easy way: stand in front of SpaceX and harass the employees
    • ceejayoz 4y ago
      Any "nut job activists" can go straight to the same source @elonjets used; https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af. This information is absolutely trivial to find and monitor.
      • meragrin_ 4y ago
        Only if you know about it. How many people actually know about it?
• natch 4y ago
  The quality of the discussion here in this thread is just pathetic. Dang is this what HN has become?
  • zigman1 4y ago
    I've noticed this lately as well. I think it is to be expected, Reddit is getting worst and worst every year, people are leaving Twitter etc. and they are all looking for alternatives. I really hope HN can steer away from the classic narration of a great place getting too popular to sustain the quality.
• jnsaff2 4y ago
  If we keep telling Elon that all of his stunts are making him uncooler and he keeps upping the efforts of trying to be cool. Will it lead to fusion energy by the end of this year?
• dorkwood 4y ago
  Could this all be part of the plan? If he appears to be going against his own principles and publicly embarrassing himself, it strengthens his detractors -- perhaps setting them up for a fall?
• JohnTHaller 4y ago
  "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk" - Elon Musk, Nov 6, 2022
• paul7986 4y ago
  I'm surprised he isn't and or hasn't used a decoy plane like using various friends planes and or friend of friend's jet them use his jet in return. As well never indicate where he's flying just use various aliases. He's made himself a huge target by jumping into the poo show that is politics.
• gigatexal 4y ago
  All of this is cloak and dagger secrecy. He bought Twitter to deplatform this guys account.
• Kiro 4y ago
  I find it fascinating that people hate Elon Musk so much that they think he deserves being harassed. Everyone hates the mob that SWATs and doxxes streamers but fully supports the same when it's toward this guy. I feel like I'm in a very small minority for having no special feelings against him.
• cloutchaser 4y ago
  I love it here. The guy who is building the worlds most advanced intercontinental ballistic missile and military delivery system, should not be upset about his real time location being public. Like what world are people living in here? It’s amazing elonjet has been public this long. This isn’t just about journalists or stalkers tracking him (and his family) it’s basically a national security issue. Grow up. The us is in a proxy war with Russia and relations with China are worse by the day.
  • Karawebnetwork 4y ago
    Every planes in the sky can be tracked: https://flightaware.com/live/map https://flightaware.com/live/map Every ships on the seas can be tracked: https://www.marinetraffic.com/ https://www.marinetraffic.com/
• almost 4y ago
  If you wish to keep tracking noted free speech absolutist (and owner of famously thick skin) Elon Musk's private jet you can do that on Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@elonjet https://mastodon.social/@elonjet
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  • chinathrow 4y ago
    It's surprising how so many people have no idea how ADS-B out works. The data is public.
    • additall 4y ago
      I'm not sure "free speech" equals "data is public", and I'm not sure that the flight tracking data at least for private jets should be made public at all. Or at least I don't see a difference between private cars location being vs private jet location data being released.
      • chinathrow 4y ago
        Now go and read up on what ADS-B is and does and you'll discover why the data is available.
        • additall 4y ago
          If a certain law or policy instructs you to jump off the roof immediately, would you necessarily do so? Also, technical means (ads-b) and regulations around accessing the data are two different things, no? Also, why do you have to show that directive agressive tone to me? I didn't do anything bad to you.
• jelv 4y ago
  https://mastodon.social/@elonjet https://mastodon.social/@elonjet is the new home. You can follow updates on Jack Sweeney's account https://mastodon.social/@JxckS https://mastodon.social/@JxckS It will be interesting to see if republishing public available data does count as aiding in the doxing. I don't think so. His doesn't profit or calls for doxing on the account.
  • camhart 4y ago
    According to mlinder's comment below, Jack is doing a bit more that isn't public. > This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number.
    • ignoramous 4y ago
      Sounds like IACO number mapping (in some cases) may not be readily accessible, but are still public?
• Febra33 4y ago
  So he's not a big fan of free speech after all, I see. Censoring publicly, required-by-law, freely available data is definitely not something a free speech absolutist like Elon should do. Just my two cents. Make of that what you will.
• sAbakumoff 4y ago
  for everyone's sake, send this prick to Mars already.
• newbieuser 4y ago
  elon has finally found a follower who likes to attract attention like himself. I am happy for both of them.
• locallost 4y ago
  Elon has lost the plot. He will end up disliked or hated by all sides -- he's alienated the left by embracing right wing narratives, and he will alienate the right by being wishy washy on things like free speech. They might rationalize him as the lesser evil, but deep down they will turn on him, and it will eventually surface. And it's obvious to everybody that the actual complaint was never about the lack of free speech, but who got to control the speech. And by proxy, the issue with things like cancel culture is not that it exists, but that people that used to get canceled are now canceling the other side.
  • HeavyStorm 4y ago
    Surely you're talking about a politician, not a tech mogul?
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• esskay 4y ago
  As an asside to this, I'm surprised Elons using a Gulfstream G650ER. Given how much time he seems to spend in the air you'd have thought he'd want something a bit bigger with bedroom and shower facilities.
  • Bergrebell 4y ago
    Even here he is reducing carbon emissions!
  • quickthrower2 4y ago
    Those luxuries are for people who don’t work 24/7. Musk has no need
• ho_schi 4y ago
  Elon Musks actions are questionable? Probably. This account didn't track a flight of a plane but Elon Musks movement. That purpose of registration numbers (and ADS-B) is helping air traffic control and general safety. Not surveillance of personal movement. The same accounts for license plates of cars. If Twitter want to do something useful they should reconsider their own standards regarding privacy in general.
• gregoriol 4y ago
  The thing he actually doesn't want everyone to realise is that he is a dumbass billionaire who goes on costly trips all the time. As soon as the world sees him as the kiddo who happens to have whims and does whatever he want with the mass of money he has (he bought twitter just for fun?), his aura will be over.
  • kolinko 4y ago
    It's not about providing info that he flies a lot, but about sharing his live location without consent. Imagine someone kept posting a tweet about your every trip - when you left, when and where you will arrive. Twitter TOS are one thing, but I'm quite sure such things break EU's GDPR laws as well.
    • hanspeter 4y ago
      What part of GDPR are you quite sure is violated and by who?
      • blitzar 4y ago
        And which one of Elon Musk, elonjets, Elons Gulfstream or San Francisco is in the EU?
    • jzb 4y ago
      A lot of public figures are under scrutiny like this. You ask others to imagine what it’s like to have location shared without consent. But, you’re ignoring all the shit Elon does as well as all the ways he voluntarily forced himself into the public eye. Elon wants the luxury of saying and doing anything he wants without accountability. This is a tiny way for the public to push back. No sympathy.
      • tomcam 4y ago
        > Elon wants the luxury of saying and doing anything he wants without accountability. Prove it
• bananapub 4y ago
  it truly is bizarre how many fanboys came here to post irrelevant and incorrect information to defend Musk doing a big 180 on a supposed deeply held principle of his because he got personally upset about someone making him look childish.
  • junon 4y ago
    Dismissing people with a label to invalidate their argument is ad hominem and is an eternally weak counterargument.
    • bananapub 4y ago
      > Dismissing people with a label to invalidate their argument is ad hominem and is an eternally weak counterargument. it is nice to be reminded that I guess this isn't a uniquely low quality site, and that comments like yours were endemic on k5 and slashdot and usenet, too. I of course wasn't dismissing anyone based on a label, I was dismising them based on their low quality posting: > it truly is bizarre how many fanboys came here to post irrelevant and incorrect information to defend Musk you're right I shouldn't discriminate, and I do also have disdain for the non-fanboys posting irrelevant and incorrect information edit: verbosity
  • mach1ne 4y ago
    Not any more bizarre than how many people have come here just to vent off steam from reading so much Musk-hate online. Neither is providing any value to the discussion.
  • bheadmaster 4y ago
    it truly is bizarre how many haters came here to post irrelevant and incorrect information to attack Musk doing a change in twitter policy because of reasons we don't know.
• tangoalpha 4y ago
  Twitter TOS seems to have been updated just to allow this https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165961795903489 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165961795903489
• switch007 4y ago
  This Twitter drama is incredibly boring. Can we consider it off topic here? Guidelines say: “ anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” What’s intellectually gratifying about twitter/Musk drama?
• tacker2000 4y ago
  Its crazy how much press this manchild is getting. Its high end gossip for the non-tabloid reading masses.
  • zamadatix 4y ago
    Also one of the best recent examples of the Streisand effect.
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• tibbydudeza 4y ago
  Rather hilarious watching how Ella Irwin and her team is making up rules with the sole purpose of pleasing the whims Elon and failing at their actual job - in this job market can see why they stuck around. I am sure Parler/Gab will hire them in the future.
• supergirl 4y ago
  I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Elon. BUT that's some extremely bitter irony he experienced. He was proud to describe himself as a "free speech absolutist", meaning he's ready to allow controversial, offensive discussions that are on the limit of legality. He even said he will allow this jet tracker bot, to show what a cool guy he is. But now reality happened for him and he probably expected reality only applies to other people.
• brianhama 4y ago
  I created a website that tracks his plane: www.wheresmusk.com.
  • SamuelAdams 4y ago
    Might be beneficial to add flight history and number of times visited <current destination> over the last 10 years.
    • brianhama 4y ago
      I made the website super quickly. I plan to add a lot of functionality.
  • jdthedisciple 4y ago
    what's the point? would you like someone making a website tracking you even if it was public information? simply pathetic
    • brianhama 4y ago
      I don't like the idea of someone with a bunch of money bullying a fellow hacker.
    • AlexandrB 4y ago
      > would you like someone making a website tracking you even if it was public information? Mark Zuckerberg already did that. It's called Facebook. But also tracking a plane != tracking a person. If Elon doesn't want his flights to be tracked he could always fly commercial like the rest of us plebs.
• TomK32 4y ago
  So, at least the user-ban tool at Twitter is still functional...
• meltyness 4y ago
  Somehow this gives me the sense that rss isn't coming back.
• freen 4y ago
  When the “free speech absolutists” are protecting drag queen story hour from armed right wing goons, maybe I’ll start listening to them. For now, “free speech absolutistism” seems to boil down to: don’t ban me for being a nazi/spreading misinformation, please ban drag queens.
• throwawy6623 4y ago
• throwawy6623 4y ago
  Anyone know how much of a headache it would be to just lease an aircraft short term for these kinds of flights to avoid having a specific jet tied to his identity? I'm assuming it's a logistical issue more than a financial one, or else more people would do it. (or private jetters can't abide to not have their own aircraft, always available and set up the way they like it)
• akagusu 4y ago
  If you are a billionaire and someone is talking about you on a social network, all you need to do to silence them is to buy the social network.
• markhahn 4y ago
  Rich people think they deserve special accommodation when in fact, they deserve less.
• hndamien 4y ago
  I don't quite understand why everybody is ok with doxxing being something we should avoid because of the harm it can cause, yet everybody seems to be "hey what about free speech" when publishing peoples live locations like it isn't a safety issue. There are instagrammers that were robbed due to promoting theur live locations which they no longer do. Why the weird double standard from an honest attempt to let people speak freely, yet also preserve people's safety (even if it is a self interest)?
  • RavingGoat 4y ago
    LibsofTikTok are doing it but not getting banned. My problem with Elon's decision is he's only banning people providing his information. He doesn't care about anyone else just himself.
    • hndamien 4y ago
      You should probably reference that claim of doxing live location.