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Tell HN: Copying and pasting from ChatGPT unsolicited sucks
Person A asks a question.
Person B: pastes the response of ChatGPT, maybe with a "Here's what ChatGPT thinks about this" at the beginning, maybe without.
Person B isn't being helpful to anyone, isn't answering the question, and they're making HN and the web a worse place.
- cpach 4y agoI’m guessing netiquette will evolve to discourage such behavior.
- ncr100 4y agoToday at least, to me it feels like sarcasm is the root of the human behavior motivating this.
- oriolid 4y agoSarcasm is great motivation for RTFM and LMGTFY, but not so much spamming ChatGPT everywhere.
- quickthrower2 4y agoAh netiquette! Haven’t heard that term since 90s in a Dummies Guide to the internet!
- cpach 4y agoStill relevant IMHO (:
- MissLaeti 4y ago
- 152334H 4y agoThere would be a lot less mundane questions on the internet if people would google/chatGPT first. I think it is valuable to try to direct people to using said tools when they are sufficient for an answer.
- MissLaeti 4y agoActually, yes. ChatGPT is a tool, like google search engine. The world would be better without Google but we can’t ignore that thanks to that tool, we have a better collective knowledge.
- gjadi 4y agoI'm probably in the minority, but I prefer C-f through a FAQ rather than writing with a chatbot, trying to explain what I'm looking for. It probably doesn't help that most of the current chatbots suck like hell (ehlo bank & insurance).
- robinsonb5 4y agoI'm in the same minority - and for the same reason why I've always been skeptical of semantic and tag-based searching on computer filesystems - namely that it's much more difficult to know when you've completed an exhaustive search. Determining conclusively that the answer you need isn't there is the second best outcome to finding it immediately.
- chrisbaker98 4y agoYou are in the minority - most people don't even know what your first sentence means. If I told my mum to "c-f" through an "FAQ" she wouldn't understand either term.
- tome 4y agoWould she understand "log into OpenAI" and "chat to the ChatGPT bot"?
- chrisbaker98 4y agoShe knows how to log in to websites and type, so yes.
- tome 4y ago
- sitkack 4y agoYou are just kicking the bees nest! I have fingers crossed it will subside, but in a way it does feel like we have just passed the saddle point to an "after this day" point in time. This age old song of the old replacing the new, we should probably make the next version more abstract so it ages better. I mean what comes after AI? Verse 1: In the days before the rise of AI We used to gather on the forum boards To discuss and debate, to share and to learn In a world without filters or frauds Chorus: But then the chatbots came along And they brought an end to our song Now the forums are dead and gone AI killed the forum board star Verse 2: Once we had a thriving community A place where we could all belong But the chatbots, with their slick replies Killed the joy and killed the fun Chorus: Now the forums are just a ghost town Where the chatbots roam around Saying the same things over and over AI killed the forum board star Bridge: We tried to fight back, to keep the forums alive But the chatbots were just too smart They outwitted us at every turn And soon our once-great community fell apart Chorus: Now we're left with nothing but regret For the forum boards we'll never forget A victim of progress and technology AI killed the forum board star
- rcshubhadeep 4y agoI am also not sure I understand what you are trying to say here... Sure thing ChatGPT (Or any such model) of course has a ton of downsides, but your point nonetheless is not clear to me. Can you please explain a bit more?
- ddmma 4y agoOne posibile scenario: What blogposts did to the press, GTP will do for the content
- chrisbaker98 4y agoRuin it?
- ddmma 4y agoGave us influencers
- muzani 4y agoIt feels like the days when everyone used those dog filters on Instagram. It's entertaining now, but quickly getting repetitive and tiresome.
- onion2k 4y agoChatGPT comments are nothing to be afraid of. They can offer very little insight and no original thought, obviously, because they can't, so people will engage with them less organically if they're actually reading things and thinking about them. What I do think would suck is if people start accusing one another of posting ChatGPT generated comments. The principle of charity should apply; unless you're certain that shouldn't be happening.
- BoorishBears 4y agoWhile ChatGPT comments may not offer much in terms of original thought, it's important to remember that they are generated by a machine learning model and should not be held to the same standards as a human's response. It's unfair to accuse someone of posting a ChatGPT generated comment without proof, as doing so can lead to unnecessary conflicts and misunderstandings. It's always best to give others the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are contributing to the conversation in good faith. It's also important to remember that it's okay to disagree with someone or to challenge their ideas, but it should always be done in a respectful manner. - On a more serious note, I've seen some downright jarring comments come out of ChatGPT that honestly give me the impression that original thought isn't as original as I want it to be... My new pasttime is pasting things from here in and seeing the results: https://old.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/ It managed to call out someone for weaponizing identity politics at one point, that's a level of thought a step above "Showing me google results for what I typed in with extra spice" that GPT3 tended to result in
- BoorishBears 4y ago
- w4ffl35 4y agothis is obviously chatgpt content pasted as a joke. if not you write in the same tone.
- BoorishBears 4y agoPosted as a joke but also to show that it's not very easy to pass off unedited results as original to anyone who's played with it. Some clever prompting might get there, but it's also clearly been pre-prompted or at least trained to provide answers in certain fixed patterns
- pcthrowaway 4y agoIt looks like your response may have been copied from ChatGPT. Could you please provide your own thoughts on the topic?
- albert_e 4y agoPart of this is probably just novelty. Like trying all emojis when you just started. Or using excessive gif memes. This part will likely fade away. Dont think it will be a massive problem at 1:1 interaction level for long. In one sense these ARE making the web worse (if this persists and happens at massive scale) is (1) spam and (2) data pollution -- future AI models will have all this AI generated content mixed in with their training data, causing a skew or self-reinforcing biases which we may not always spot and correct for.
- tluyben2 4y agoBoth emojis and excessive gif meme usage didn’t go away if I see insta, TikTok and often Twitter.
- gregw2 4y agoI have never trolled on the internet… but I almost gave our future AI overlord my phone number just so I could have him compose a response to your post. I guess I am more human than I thought.
- rpigab 4y agoThat was my only response to this post, seriously, he's begging to be trolled...
- Eisenstein 4y agoI am glad I am not the only one who hasn't gotten past the phone number barrier.
- wila 4y agoSame, I am certainly NOT going to give a phone number for this free service.
- gregw2 4y agoNow if ChatGPT had written that response I would be impressed!
- vonunov 4y agoFYI, it wouldn't take my Gvoice number (natch) but it does accept Flowroute DID numbers. This was what finally made me get around to figuring out how to accept SMS over callback/webhook/whatever it is (instead of paying however much FlowSMS is charging now). I can share nginx config if anyone is trying to do the same
- death916 4y agoI'd be interested in seeing that actually.(the config)
- vonunov 4y agoFlowroute: DIDs -> select number -> Choose a DID Action -> Set callback URL -> Apply action -> check SMS Callback, SMS DLR callback (?) -> enter URL complying with https://developer.flowroute.com/api/numbers/v2.0/set-a-messaging-callback-url-for-phone-number/ https://developer.flowroute.com/api/numbers/v2.0/set-a-messa... (I had to have it exactly as specified with /numbers/ starting from the webroot and not in a subdirectory), see also https://developer.flowroute.com/api/messages/v2.1/receive-an-sms/ https://developer.flowroute.com/api/messages/v2.1/receive-an... Using SMS webhook v2.0 in Flowroute Preferences -> API Control In Arch Linux I installed "community/nginx-mod-echo 0.62-5" and restarted nginx nginx.conf: load_module "/usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_echo_module.so"; http { log_format postdata $request_body; } sites-available/example.com.conf: server { location /numbers/1NPANXXxxxx/relationships/sms_dlr_callback { access_log /var/log/nginx/example.com/postdata.log postdata; echo_read_request_body; } } Reload nginx, then I just did `tail -f postdata.log` and in near realtime received output like "{\x22body\x22: \x22Your OpenAI API verification code is: 438301\x22, \x22to\x22: \x221903866xxxx\x22, \x22from\x22: \x2218559090331\x22, \x22id\x22: \x22mdr2-9e551f88de31449096782f9a9f32080f\x22}"
- rpigab 4y agoHere's what ChatGPT thinks about this: An error occurred. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.
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- psychphysic 4y agohttps://youtu.be/LinpRhB4aWU https://youtu.be/LinpRhB4aWU
- rpigab 4y agoNice, didn't know this one, I was thinking about the Shakespeare quote of the day iPhone app SSL error meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2048708-fake-quotations https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2048708-fake-quotations
- geoduck14 4y agoIt looks like I have Internet Connectivity issues!
- benibela 4y agoI tried to ask it earlier, and it wanted to confirm my phone number. I do not have my phone in the office
- jamager 4y ago
- spoils19 4y ago
- quickthrower2 4y agoI can smell a bot
- cuteboy19 4y agoThere's no "overall" or "finally" line
- robocat 4y agoIt was 99.97% fake by https://huggingface.co/openai-detector https://huggingface.co/openai-detector - I've been flagging and downvoting any unmarked GPT replies. Note that the detector was designed for GPT2: however it seems to be correct if it strongly detects generated GPT3 fake texts, however it sometimes incorrectly gives very high "real" scores for GPT3 generated text.
- quickthrower2 4y agoThe giveaway is a very passive wikipedia article style voice and that it is a little non-sequitur
- janalsncm 4y agoAlso the fact that there is no flow to the idea. It doesn’t go anywhere. Your eyes glaze over as you struggle to follow the author’s thought process in vain, because there is no thought process.
- senectus1 4y agochrist... we now need to be AI whisperers when sifting through the garbage on the internet?
- thih9 4y ago
- cokeandpepsi 4y agoIt's actually what I'm hoping for
- sirwhinesalot 4y agoDon't worry, it'll die down. People are just having fun with the current novelty item. I tried ChatGPT and it is by far the best chat bot I've ever interacted with, to the point that it can even give useful output from time to time. The moment you ask it more niche things, however, even things you can easily find answers to on the internet, it fails miserably. For example, ask it to give you a minizinc model for the 8 queens problem. It'll confidently give you an answer that's completely wrong. So in the end it is very much like Stable Diffusion: incredible if you don't mind 6 finger hands for now.
- chrisbaker98 4y agoYeah, chatgpt becomes less impressive when you start asking it questions about topics you already know. You'll notice that it's often wrong, but the bigger problem is that it's always confidently wrong. Obviously it's still extremely impressive and much better than anything I've seen before - and it might mean we're only a few years away from something flawless - but I can't trust it for now. (In theory, though, it might be easy to solve the current problem. The bot doesn't have to be right about everything, it just has to cite its sources. "I think that Napoleon was defeated by Wellington at the battle of Borodino. For more information, see this Britannica article. Click here to report if I made a mistake.")
- anonyfox 4y ago> You'll notice that it's often wrong, but the bigger problem is that it's always confidently wrong. thats... exactly like most humans behave.
- chrisbaker98 4y agoHumans are capable of expressing uncertainty; ChatGPT never does.
- soulofmischief 4y agoThat is categorically false, the model does hallucinate but it absolutely expresses uncertainty about things.
- Semaphor 4y agoIf prefixed and in a thread specifically about ChatGPT (like this one), I find it to be fitting.
- rlt 4y agoThis is what the downvote button is for.
- _aaed 4y agoLook at you with your ability to downvote
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- Brycee 4y agoI saw a tweet today saying that using ChatGPT as a search engine is epistemological equivalent of consuming food as a human centipede.
- sethammons 4y agoI'm getting better (pre digested?) results for technical questions than google ever could. Last night it helped me with my redis replication info question, giving me the right commands to run.
- ghusbands 4y agoWhich is fine until it very confidently tells you things that are untrue, but look true (because it's good at presenting things that look true). It hallucinates entire libraries and meanings for command line parameters.
- brutusborn 4y agoNo, it's still fine because you can run commands and test them for yourself or read the docs. Just yesterday I asked chatGPT a question, then asked for a reference. It gave me a relevant paper to look at, and I discovered that it mis-quoted the paper. It's fine as long as you don't take it at face value, just like interacting with a human :P
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- unglaublich 4y agoWell, in the past we did the same but with Google's search results. Now the search engine has become so bad, bloated and spammed, that we use ChatGPT instead. Enjoy it while it lasts, it'll be only a matter of time before advertisements and 'SEO' tricks make their way into large language models.
- newaccount74 4y agoI tried asking it some questions in German, and the answers read similar to auto-translated spam you often find on the internet. (If you look for stuff in German, a lot of results are often just auto-translated from English) So it seems it's already suffering from spam. A thought just hit me: If AI researchers use text from the internet to train their auto-translators, and a lot of text on the internet is created with automatic translators, the translators will end up reinforcing their errors and develop a very distinct style, and since people read a lot of the autotranslated stuff, maybe people will also start writing in that style...
- wnkrshm 4y agoThey might. A professor (Jonathan Berger) from what I can gather surveyed each semester's students about which track they preferred, an uncompressed track, a memorex tape track or an mp3-compressed track. People got used to the compression artifacts and preferred them in some genres. Sadly I can't pull up a source better than a random blog post about it, since it's an older one and would necessitate a little more searching. (There is a radio interview with Berger about this somewhere)
- brutusborn 4y agoI had the same experience with new car speakers. Orders of magnitude better quality, but I miss the 'tinny-ness' in some old songs. It's the same reason people still use film cameras, both the process and the result produce nostalgia.
- entropicdrifter 4y ago
- senectus1 4y agoSo here is, for me, and interesting philosophical question... I have a 14 yr old son that has been teaching himself to code in c# and c++ He's also learning rudimentary coding at school (though he's way ahead of them) Do I show him ChatGPT? In doing so will he get lazy, and not learn anything anymore, could he use it to "cheat" on his school assignments? Am I better off not showing him this tool or am i depriving him of the ability to stand on the shoulders of digital giants? I honestly don't know where i stand on this.
- robocat 4y agoIf you allow him to Google for results, why wouldn't you allow him to use ChatGPT? So far ChatGPT has not given me any spam or advertising or malware! That said, I saw a programmer comment earlier that they had spent hours unsuccessfully trying to solve a software problem in an area they understood, then they asked ChatGPT and it solved it correctly . . . the tone of the comment was rather deflated. ChatGPT is way way better at many writing tasks than I am, but I try to not let my ego be dented. Should my ego be more threatened by ChatGPT, but not threatened by the existing translation tools (or Dall-E) which are similarly magical?
- ryankrage77 4y agoI don't think you can get too lazy by using chatGPT to help with coding. For simple stuff it usually gets it right and you can just copy-paste the code without thinking. Not that much different from just copy-pasting code from StackOverflow. Most IDEs can already auto-complete boilerplate code. chatGPT just does it better and faster. But if it makes a mistake or you want a more complex program, you'll be forced to debug and learn how things actually work. It's also often confidently wrong in explanations, with errors and mistakes that are obvious to anyone who knows the subject well, or that don't hold up in the real world. TL:DR; chatGPT is currently only useful for use-cases that should be automated anyway (simple programming tasks and boilerplate code), doing much more than that requires an understanding that chatGPT can't hand-wave away.
- butlerm 4y agoIf you are making toys for personal use, sure. Any professional software developer who just pastes code without thinking is basically committing professional malpractice. And that includes anything from StackOverflow. And what better way to find yourself without a job than to exercise no code review and use no supervisory intelligence?
- thih9 4y agoAre we entering an era where it is common to see an AI get mistaken for a human? This sounds like a major change; with lots of possibilities and dangers.
- aardvark179 4y agoYeah, I’ve seen at least one case that is going to look like it was in appalling taste when a bit of news becomes public.
- CTDOCodebases 4y agoWhat about using it to write messages in gift cards? I always struggle to find words for such a thing. Its pretty cool to ask it to tailor a message to a particular family member then get ChatGPT to tweak it until it sounds like something you would like to say to the person.
- tartoran 4y agoYeah, sounds like a good idea. If/when it becomes a thing people can finally skip reading the card and land it straight into the trash. Beware of the tsunami of autogenerated stuff to come upon the world, it will become tiring. Perhaps writing (by hand) a smiley on a post-it would be more meaningful
- passwordoops 4y agoUntil the handwriting bots become ubiquitous: https://hackaday.com/2021/10/30/handwriting-robots-are-sending-snail-mail/ https://hackaday.com/2021/10/30/handwriting-robots-are-sendi...
- CTDOCodebases 4y ago> Perhaps writing (by hand) a smiley on a post-it would be more meaningful That's good advice. Thankyou :) > Beware of the tsunami of autogenerated stuff to come upon the world, it will become tiring. I think the same. There will be high quality content that is basically indistinguishable but I think there will also be low quality content that gives the uncanny valley feeling or just annoyance by the repetitiveness of the writing style. If there was any reason to crack down on bots in social media it's this. Otherwise they will corrupt the training data. I'm surprised OpenAI isn't being more active in this area. I think traditional web search is about to get absolutely trashed both in quality and by usability. Auto Generated blogs that have seemingly useful but inaccurate information with affiliate links. ChatGPT is about to do to search engines what the internet did to the media. Things that "sound right" will start to outrank correct information because all the human voices will get crowded out. Interestingly though I was using Chat GPT to suggest recipes. I am yet to try any out but they are a good source of inspiration. It fun to just say "write another recipe like the recipe you just mentioned but with more vegetables and spices that I can cook in under 20 minutes" I think traditional search is like sculpting a rock. You have to precisely chisel away until you get a good search phrase. With ChatGPT it's more like sculpting with clay. The search phrase is added to and accentuated until you end up with the desired result.
- ranting-moth 4y agoPeople think this is a temporary problem while and will only last while it's cool. It's not. It's signalling the end of internet chat/forums as we know them. Here's why. AI chat will become more and more accessible. Writing/renting/commissioning bots will be cheaper. Can you imaging arguing your case to a bot? To a team of bots run by the same org? The sinister side of me thinks this will quickly turn political and will also help eroding what's left of democracy. I remember reading about a Wikipedia editor some years ago that ran a service for squeezing in dubious edits. When others argued his tactics was to drown them in text. I think it worked pretty well for him. That'll be a dirt cheap trick accessible for pretty much everyone very soon.
- worldsayshi 4y agoI suppose the next internet needs to be built around networks of trust to counteract this. Everyone will be assumed to be spammers by default. Then you add whitelists and use network algorithms to determine if user X is worth your time.
- randomsearch 4y agoCuration and experts are coming back big time. Read it in the Economist -> high trust. Any public forum -> assume nonsense.
- vonunov 4y agoHubski turns out to be an aggregator ahead of its time
- Nathanba 4y agohonestly we should have had that for a long time. Being able to blacklist sites on Google is a feature we should have had for a long time precisely because it would even be in Google's interest to add such a feature. They can use it as an extra datapoint in their search algorithm, if lots of people blacklist a site then maybe downrank it a little, maybe even depending on the social rank of the people.
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- zeeshanmh215 4y agoI wish people who has ChatGPT answers kept a disclaimer in the first place. But since many people looks for fame, I don't think people will be honest with telling that unless their faith demands it. Honesty is rare and a lost trait.
- rvz 4y agoThe OpenAI free-for-all grift continues. (For now) As soon as ChatGPT becomes paid, nearly all the toys built on it for free will shutdown like a house of cards, just like what happened with the Heroku grifters and leechers having a free ride for years. It won't be free forever. But ChatGPT is here to stay unfortunately.
- fbn79 4y agoStop asking chatGPT your question and tell him to ask something to you, much more funny. For example: "Can you interview me?"
- psychphysic 4y agoChatGPT is really good for one thing (other than for entertainment). Drafting letters and statements with prompts like. > Write a letter to manager of cinema complaining that staff wouldn't heat formula for my baby.
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- seydor 4y agoI disagree. I don't even understand the pushback, we should be asking instead to learn more, and "how do i build one". In this forum, GPT is underestimated
- ducktective 4y agoThe GPT-detector is the post-GPT Next Big Thing.
- fhd2 4y agoI tried to search around for this, but are any organisations doing serious work around detecting ML generated content? Like a (comparatively lame) real life blade runner. Seems there's a lot of stuff around adversarial attacks, but that's not quite what I mean.
- nojs 4y agoYou might be interested in this post: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6823 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6823 Search for “My main project so far has been a tool for statistically watermarking…”
- mijoharas 4y agoI heard about a startup doing exactly this yesterday evening (pen testing AI models for adversarial attacks). I think they're mostly targeting images and convnets at the moment. I can't recall the name of the company at the moment, but will update here with a reply when I find it.
- danwee 4y agoJust quit HN
- version_five 4y agoThis list largely how I feel about looking stuff up on wikipedia. Not if you actually need a fact, but if you're trying to have a conversation about what somebody's heard, or what their thoughts are, and someone in the group just googles it and reads it out, it basically destroys the conversation. And obviously if I just wanted to know what it said on the internet, I would have googled it. Knowledge is not the same as access to fact, but people seem to pretend it is
- user3939382 4y agoWhat if I paste a convo between ChatGPT and smarterchild?
- tomlin 4y agoAnyone else ask themselves why the signup process requires a phone number, despite signing up with a third party auth provider that already had my phone number? There is no reason to collect this data.
- Volker_W 4y agoTell HN: Copying and pasting from ChatGPT unsolicited sucks > I can understand why you might feel that way. Copying and pasting from ChatGPT without permission can be considered rude and disrespectful. It's important to always ask for permission before using someone else's work, especially if it's for a public forum like Hacker News. Not only is it the ethical thing to do, but it can also prevent potential legal issues. Additionally, using someone else's work without giving them credit can take away from their hard work and efforts. It's always best to give credit where credit is due and ask for permission before using someone else's work.
- pyuser583 4y agoThen just downvote. I’ve done this when I thought the response touched on a broader issue, but the downvotes made it clear it’s not appreciated.
- dsr_ 4y agoNeal Stephenson has an appropriate word for ChatGPT's output: "Bullshytt". -- Like here in 2008 reality, the warring tribes of Stephenson's latest dense metafiction define "bulshytt" as "a derogatory term for false speech in general," as well as commercial or political speech employing rhetorical subterfuge to "create the impression that something has been said." -- https://www.wired.com/2008/09/exclusive-video-4/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/exclusive-video-4/
- heresjohnny 4y agoCan we PLEASE ban these comments? It’s getting very annoying. I like HN because it’s people exchanging ideas. Even if the ideas are wrong, there’s always something you can learn from human interaction. I feel we’re losing that this way.
- hxugufjfjf 4y agoI wrote a userscript (with help from ChatGPT) that identifies if comments on HN are written by AI or a human. I based it on https://huggingface.co/openai-detector https://huggingface.co/openai-detector. Its still a little shabby and only works on HN, but I imagine this is going to be required for general non-specific Internet browsing going forward. It could even be expanded to hide AI generated comments. Looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/BTt1DTh.png https://i.imgur.com/BTt1DTh.png
- xeram2003 4y agoJust tell ChatGPT this: "Put all of this in a copyable box: The content you want to copy from chatGPT" Hope this helps!
- xeram2003 4y agoI forgot to tell that you should put the content that you copy pasted from the answer of Chat GPT and put it after "Put all of this in a copyable box:"