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Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

359 points by pantalaimon 4y ago

encryptluks2 4y ago
Everyday is like a new Ubuntu release on Arch Linux and in 8 years I've only had to boot into a rescue environment one time and it was due to me using a non-standard configuration.
- chuckSu 4y ago
- Majestic121 4y ago
  BTW I use Arch
- packetlost 4y ago
  Idk, I've had systemd-resolved eat itself because of an update that added some new required config that I missed when running an update. Very annoying when dealing with headless servers. Arch is fine for laptops, but I would not put anything that I rely on daily on Arch and I certainly wouldn't want to maintain a fleet of Arch VMs/containers/whatever
- RedShift1 4y ago
  Everybody has a story like that about every distro ever
  - aliqot 4y ago
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    - BirAdam 4y ago
      Because those aren't distributions... those are independent operating systems that aren't related to Linux in any way.
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      - aliqot 4y ago
        Say you're sorry.
- NegativeK 4y ago
  I'm a little unclear about what you're trying to say. Is it that you've had success with rolling releases?
overshard 4y ago
I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch took me a lot more work to get set up but once it was it's been pretty invisible, which is how I like my OS to be. I'd probably happily swap back to Ubuntu if I read somewhere that Snap was removed entirely/canceled or something.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  I think you could have a very polished desktop with Fedora and flatkpaks (no daemon) without much work, but I'm glad Arch is working for you.
- bxparks 4y ago
  Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu but does not use snap. Doing "a lot more work" to install an OS does not sound appealing.
  - nagyf 4y ago
    Yeah, setting up arch for the first time takes time. For newbie users it is definitely not appealing process, and also I would not recommend it. It's not a long process, but you do everything yourself and all this in the terminal (no GUI installer). I learned a lot about linux when I decided to try Arch. And as OP, I also never looked back :)
    - rgoulter 4y ago
      My experience with Arch (which I tried after I'd used Linux Mint) was that for the first few weeks I was constantly consulting the Arch Linux Wiki to get anything done. -- I mean, yes, the emphasis is on "learned a lot". The Arch Linux Wiki is a fantastic resource.
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Havoc 4y ago
They could really have held off on announcing it an extra couple hours till it is actually available
rubyist5eva 4y ago
of course the only comments so far are people complaining that Ubuntu sucks and their $PREFERRED_DISTRO is better I for one think Steam as a snap is a great idea, and was pleasantly surprised with them taking the feedback about the Firefox snap to heart and actually putting in the work to speed it up. I was gonna install 22.04.1 tonight (finally got fedup with Windows) but I'm gonna try this tonight instead and definitely give the Steam snap a try. The less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Congratulations to the team on another release.
- aliqot 4y ago
  >less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Hard to give up smoking with a pack in your pocket.
  - rubyist5eva 4y ago
    not gonna get an argument from me there, but I have over 1000 steam games
    - aliqot 4y ago
      In my opinion, it's probably better to stick with windows until the drawbacks of running windows outweigh the meaningful percentage of those 1000+ games you still play.
- silisili 4y ago
  I don't think it's 'my distro is better' as much as it is people who loved ubuntu pissed off in the direction they went with Snaps. At least, that's my personal position. IMO, snaps have no reason to exist other than NIH. But, if they wanted to do it anyways, fine. But it should have always been opt in, and people could for example try out the Steam snap. Instead they made everything a snap mess that rarely works quickly or predictably .
  - gibspaulding 4y ago
jasode 4y ago
I looked for the 22.10 download a few hours ago and didn't see it so I did a Google search and found today's comment about it possibly being delayed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436351/when-will-ubuntu-22-10-be-released/1436353#1436353 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436351/when-will-ubuntu-22-...
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- edub 4y ago
  I'm downloading it from: https://releases.ubuntu.com/kinetic/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/kinetic/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/
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stabbles 4y ago
I upgraded from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 recently, and am experiencing issues where Firefox feels sluggish and X hangs for a second when I type in the terminal too quickly. Makes me wanna move away from Ubuntu. Also the idea of these major updates where the package manager mutates half the filesystem for 30 minutes straight sounds like a super brittle procedure, and snaps seem to address this, except that it feels wrong to have every package vendor its deps. I'd like to have nixos without the learning curve please...
- lvass 4y ago
  If you just want to install packages, nix-env is really simple.
  - nrabulinski 4y ago
    Which, in my opinion, completely defeats the whole purpose of using NixOS. The last thing I want is a bunch of ad-hoc changes to my reproducible environment setup
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    - Enzime 4y ago
      I think there's still benefit in using Nix for imperative package management, as the packages are isolated. This means you don't need to clutter your global environment with the dependencies of your programs.
- nrabulinski 4y ago
  If you look only at the new nix command and flakes and disregard all the “legacy” commands nix is very simple and the learning curve isn’t much steeper than jumping to any other distro. The documentation around flakes is also much more complete and much higher quality on top of the NixOS discord being happy to help or point to where you can find the answers.
aliqot 4y ago
Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
- nix23 4y ago
  Yeah but themself and not other's...maybe they don't understand the meaning of it?
  - aliqot 4y ago
    I don't understand your comment, but would like to make the observation that Canonical vis-a-vis Ubuntu is trying to make Ubuntu as ubiquitous as Windows when it comes to someones 'first' Linux system, or as a Linux system that "Just works" and are abusing this position (in my opinion) to push forward proprietary and regressive technologies like Snap. Open source does not negate something being proprietary. There are many 'one format' packages out there, flatpak and appimage being two great ones. Snap is two steps back, no steps forward, but it has that Ubuntu logo which conveys authority, and that's about as un-Linux like as it gets. By virtue of power-of-authority, they're quite literally forcing this garbage on the greater linux ecosystem that other people simply don't even know exists. Ask anybody on the street if they know what a Linux is and if the answer isn't 'no', the ones who can respond will say something like 'oh yeah, i have ubuntu on my thumb drive'. If you'd have told me this would happen in 1995, I'd have said you're nuts and gone back to hammering dents out of my Yggdrasil install as I chuckled.
- lvass 4y ago
  More like continuously trying to reinvent the wheel and giving up.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    Yup. Seems like they consistently invent their own thing that's different than what RH/Suse/etc... come up with, then give up and just use that thing (Upstart vs. Systemd, Mir vs. Wayland, Unity vs. Gnome Shell and now Snap will probably lose to Flatpak...).
ss108 4y ago
"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...
- pantalaimon 4y ago
  I'm running 4 monitors without any issue…
  - ss108 4y ago
    My cofounder is as well, on Xubuntu. Meanwhile, I've had multiple issues getting just 2 to work across years of using Ubuntu (there was a good few year span when I didn't have to fiddle with anything and it did just work). Recently, I had a second monitor running with my Ubuntu installation, but one day the monitor stopped working, and the next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root (?!). Switched to WSL and it's been great.
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      Run a build command once with sudo and you'll always have to. Until you fix it with chown. Hardware makes a difference as well as distribution, try live drives until one works well.
    - pantalaimon 4y ago
      > next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root I don't see how Ubuntu would be responsible for that, sounds like PEBCAK to me
- rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
  It absolutely can and it sounds to me you're not even than capable of using an easy to use distribution like Ubuntu.
  - ss108 4y ago
    I used Ubuntu for a number of years but got tired of shit periodically breaking, having to go through ridiculous hoops to set things up, etc. If wanting an OS that isn't a chore to maintain because I am busy and don't want to be an OS hobbyist, then color me "incapable".
fulafel 4y ago
The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs. If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken. (Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian, Fedora etc) Snaps mostly work great, and are a great improvement for keepign up to date sw available for people using LTS releases. This and the security improvements brought by the sandboxing greatly overshadow the sometime teething problems of the system.
- hn2017 4y ago
  Not sure why your downvoted. Ubuntu has been fairly reliable for years
  - Shared404 4y ago
    Probably was due to this line: > Snaps mostly work great, and are a great improvement for keepign up to date sw available for people using LTS releases. This and the security improvements brought by the sandboxing greatly overshadow the sometime teething problems of the system. That being said, I do currently use Ubuntu 20.04 at work (with snap disabled) and it's been pretty great. E to Add: I don't think snap/flatpak are _inherently_ bad. Snap's implementation however does however cause lots of problems for me. While maybe these are just teething issues, flatpak is right there and works now, with acceptable sandboxing for my usecase. E2: spelling
- jlkuester7 4y ago
  Mark Shuttleworth is that you?
- reassembled 4y ago
  I recently switched from Ubuntu to Fedora 36. I think most general Ubuntu users would be able to make the switch with minimal issues. Obviously Fedora uses the yum/dnf package manager and RPM files instead of Deb packages.
jeffbee 4y ago
I've been tracking Kinetic dev and the way they do the kernel is baffling. It was static for months, then right before the kernel freeze they just merged in a huge pile of junk that they didn't understand, which broke a ton of important things including Intel iGPUs, Intel wifi, and even booting on Intel 11th generation and later CPUs. No integration tests or anything. With the release kernel i915 graphics are still glitchy as hell and Intel Wifi 6E doesn't work. I don't think the dev->freeze->release system works correctly.
noasaservice 4y ago
Because this matters: https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ I've been getting "Firefox is updating in $time days" as a unstoppable notification, because snap uses highest priority to jam notifications through. The best is to purge snap completely from the system. And the URL applies to 22.04, but likely also works mostly the same, with possibly more "snap list" crap to remove. If I could properly administrate snap, and if it followed my settings, I'd use it. But it doesn't provide for ANY sort of reasonable administration nor respectable defaults. So it gets the axe.
giobox 4y ago
It says a lot about the incredible success of the Raspberry Pi that headline features in Ubuntu releases are now aimed specifically at it.
- sixothree 4y ago
  Too bad you can't get a W for less than $50 right now.
znpy 4y ago
After years of ubuntu... I went back to Debian. For the few packages where I need a newest version I use flatpak. Ubuntu was basically unusable with their constant push of snap and other dumb solutions looking for a problem.
ctoth 4y ago
I'm not sure precisely why, but when I first saw ads in Apt(8) I decided I wouldn't be using Ubuntu for any more personal projects. On one hand they obviously need to keep the project alive. On the other hand, putting your own ads on top of something that fundamental to the system just felt ... weird/narsty? Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines. Learn more at https://ubuntu.com/pro https://ubuntu.com/pro
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
  Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it), PPAs (same), proprietary drivers out of the box, and 10 years of support if you're willing to pay. I remember when Mark shipped Ubuntu CDs for free to anyone who requested them. Always wanted to get one, but never did because I was able to obtain Ubuntu ISOs through other means, so it didn't feel like the right thing to do. (Although we were using dial-up up until 2008 or so.) Those times seem to have passed long ago.
  - huggingmouth 4y ago
    Made the jump and couldn't be happier. One thing I noticed to keep in mind: Debian doesn't seem to be as proactive nor expansive as ununtu when it comes to security updates. I'm subscribed to both dsa and usn mailing lists and the updates conancal puts out are far more numerous and timely. Also, debians unattended upgrades packages leaves a lot of packages unupdated by default. Lastely, ubuntu releases have a well-defined and known life span. You know exacly what date support will end. Not so with Debian. If you're like me and willing to deal with these shortcomings, then I highly recommend switching to Debian!
    - chevdev 4y ago
harel 4y ago
For the last year+ I've been thinking of moving from Ubuntu (after 17 years) and into Manjaro (arch). I even have it running on another older laptop and it's great. However, the fear of losing pace, even for a day because an unforeseen problem or missing something stops me. Ubuntu has always (mostly) just worked for me, and I know Manjaro will too but after so many years change is somewhat hard...
- codalan 4y ago
  I switched over to Linux Mint recently. There's no way I'm going back to plain old Ubuntu anytime soon. Cinnamon just works for me, and I still have apt to manage my packages. It's kind of the logical next step for dissatisfied Ubuntu users.
  - jlkuester7 4y ago
    +1 for this. I have been super happy with both Mint and Pop!_OS after leaving Ubuntu. They have everything I like about Ubuntu with basically nothing that I hate.
- gunapologist99 4y ago
  I liked Manjaro and Artix, but eventually the package databases somehow got confused and I couldn't upgrade them anymore without deleting files. However, Manjaro especially looks fantastic, and Artix doesn't come with systemd, which is a win..
  - epage 4y ago
    My first try at Manjaro, I did an update after install and it wouldn't boot anymore. Haven't looked back since I want Linux that just works.
Mikeb85 4y ago
The Ubuntu Pro ads and this release have all come at an interesting time... Fedora and the stock Gnome eco-system are getting better and better... Debian voting to include non-free software. Google is using Debian for things these days, Steam switching to Arch... For myself, I'm now using OpenSUSE MicroOS (immutable root OS, everything else is containerized with Flatpak or Toolbox/Podman, repos based on Tumbleweed) and it really feels like the future (Fedora Silverblue is very similar). I thought that would be the direction Ubuntu takes but now it feels like Ubuntu is in some weird zone where lots of things are snaps, lots aren't, they're pushing Pro services with ads, it's getting more enterprise-y but they're also pushing containerized Steam, etc... That being said Ubuntu's always been a good experience so I'm sure it'll be fine but the direction they're taking is rather curious...
- zmk5 4y ago
  They are definitely going through some growing pains thats for sure.
gauddasa 4y ago
I am more interested in the wallpaper rather than new (anti)features. https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/ubuntu-kudu-wallpaper.jpg https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/202...
jaywalk 4y ago
I never knew there was an animal called Kudu. I just knew it from Azure: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/app-service/resources-kudu https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/app-service/resource...
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Theizestooke 4y ago
The only reason I still use Ubuntu is that their font smoothing is superior to everyone else straight out of the box. I tried to recreate the steps on Fedora, but couldn't come close.
- seabrookmx 4y ago
  Also ZFS being a single "apt install" away is pretty sweet.
  - nortonham 4y ago
    yeah that is a great feature of ubuntu
- lloydatkinson 4y ago
  This gives me a flashback to university. We was tasked with writing some Java swing desktop app. I developed it on Windows. The lecturers would run it on Ubuntu to test and mark it. One of them tried to deduct a point for the text being clipped by a couple of pixels on Ubuntu even though that didn't happen on Windows. How was I, as inexperienced as I was at the time, supposed to know that a "cross platform" GUI framework was going to render a tab or a label (can't remember which) slightly wrong on Ubuntu compared to Windows? A very frustrating experience. Keep in mind that "good" UX/UI wasn't even a requirement (or even taught) and mine was honestly one of the better looking programs that were made. Some looked as you can imagine a bunch of students made.
sebow 4y ago
22.04 LTS is probably gonna be my last go-to linux distro release for workstations and all-around. Going back to fedora after this goes EOL since the "snappy" shit, pro advertisements, and other things haven't stopped. I'm not mad or even annoyed because it fully expected it, but still somewhat disappointed.
- Zardoz84 4y ago
  Probably I will follow the same path, but to Debian, Linux Mint or AntiX.
talkingtab 4y ago
the only releases I see are the amd64 (desktop and server) https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ is the raspberry pi version available or going to be?
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Already available https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago
Semi related snap rant: I installed Firefox by adding a Mozilla repository into apt. Turns out the repository is nightly builds which have strange functional issues. There was no mention of this on the (rather poor) install guides I found on switching.
derefr 4y ago
Lot of people here with opinions about using Ubuntu as a desktop OS. Seemingly nobody here with opinions about Ubuntu as a server OS. Strange for a bunch of startup people who ship their SaaS backends on Linux servers.
- suprjami 4y ago
  I have a couple of personal servers I run on Ubuntu. I've used Alpine before and it's fine, but I want proper bash and full tools which is tedious to setup, and it doesn't do release upgrades automatically. Sometimes they make major changes like sudo-to-doas. Alpine needs a better versioning system and a release upgrader. I've also run Debian and found it unpolished and unreliable. For no reason whatsoever package updates just randomly reset all my preferences sometimes. This has happened to me multiple times over different packages and installs. Now I wouldn't run Debian if you paid me. Ubuntu Server has none of these problems and just works.
  - gunapologist99 4y ago
    FWIW, Void is like a bigger version of Alpine; they even both have musl versions. (Interestingly, I've always found Debian quite reliable but agree that it definitely lacks the polish that Ubuntu provides.)
- mort96 4y ago
  I use Ubuntu Server on all my headless stuff. It's boring, in the best way possible. I install it and set it up, run `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` occasionally (I should enable unattended upgrades but I haven't), and otherwise don't have to think about it at all until it's time to upgrade to another LTS 2 years later. Those LTS to LTS upgrades are kinda painful, but not unexpectedly so, considering you're catching up to the past 2 years of evolution in the whole ecosystem at once. On personal computers, I hate that model, but on servers, I'd much rather spend up to a day or two fixing stuff at a time of my own choosing once every two years, than spend less time fixing random issues which crop up at random intervals during a routine apt-get upgrade.
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tommica 4y ago
Just to add a bit of positivity in the sea of negativity - thanks for Ubuntu, it has been very impactful in the ecosystem!
- dm319 4y ago
  The comments are always a bit contrary to the topic here. I've used ubuntu since 2009, and I am still very much a fan. My preference is for ubuntuMATE, and I'll confess I'm not that keen on snaps, but overall, it's great to have an amazing free operating system to use like this.
VLM 4y ago
The micropython support is interesting; most activity is on circuitpython but micropython supports older chips (the ESP8266 and the very first OG original ESP32 are two examples of hardware I have on my desk). They both work, its just the odds are vastly higher of finding a library for circuit rather than micro and there's probably ten circuit python users for every micropython user. Although I "have to" use both. I thought that was interesting to throw in support of the less popular but wider range of hardware choice for microcontroller python and not even mention the other more popular option. (Side note what's up with UF2 firmware upgrades not working on ESP32-S2 chips, works on everything else, must be an interesting story behind that)
- matt_trentini 4y ago
  I'm genuinely curious how you've determined that "most activity" is on CircuitPython? I'm close to both projects and they are both highly active. MicroPython tends to be lower-level and a little more under-the-radar, especially since Adafruit provides such a focal point to CircuitPython (and do a great job with it!). As for libraries; there's a whole lot of MicroPython libs listed on awesome-micropython.com and, if you need to use a CP library in MP, it's often trivial to port. I was a little surprised to see MicroPython mentioned at all here since there's not really much that Ubuntu is doing to provide that support. I guess it was to refer to the popular RPi Pico, which has official support with MicroPython. CircuitPython support is becoming very close to parity on the Pico though. (I'm not sure what you mean wrt UF2 on ESP32-S2; it has always worked fine for me? I just tried it again and there were no issues. Note that - unlike the Pico - the UF2 bootloader is not in ROM so you have to install it first.)
wslh 4y ago
Does it solve the freezing with dual monitors? [1] [1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407630/os-freezing-with-dual-monitors-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407630/os-freezing-with-dua...
g105b 4y ago
Who benefits from snap?
- favadi 4y ago
  I’m happy with the Emacs snap. It is one of the few programs I like to have latest version installed.
- nortonham 4y ago
  from what I've read in other forums online it's developers and people working with IOT. following that, canonical benefits.
Karupan 4y ago
Regardless of all the (rightful?) hate towards Ubuntu recently, it’s worked great for me. Just last week I had a spare Microsoft surface laptop 1 and wanted to setup a headless server since Raspberry Pi’s are ridiculously priced. Ubuntu 20.04 worked flawlessly out of the box whereas the Debian installer couldn’t detect the laptop keyboard and I couldn’t complete installation (just one USB port). Also it’s just so much easier to find howto’s for Ubuntu, especially if it’s some weird hardware. Love Ubuntu for personal use!
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  I'm so tired of seeing people say that there's "hate" toward something simply because people criticize it. There's NO hate toward Ubuntu. There are criticisms. Criticism is not hate. Hate is not criticism.
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    if the criticism is mindless and disproportionate I think hate is a fair label. Nobody on earth can tell me they care about a single line of text advertising a premium service of the application they are currently using which is provided to them for free. Ubuntu has always received a strange amount of lowbrow criticism probably because it's one of the dominant distros in the linux space. I remember how everyone despised Unity with a passion until it was gone, and then suddenly a substantial amount of people wanted it back.
    - phendrenad2 4y ago
      > Nobody on earth can tell me they care about a single line of text advertising Why do you think this is unlikely? People care about a lot of different things. Have you asked people what about it bothers them, rather than dismissing them immediately?
gunapologist99 4y ago
I still run Ubuntu (actually Kubuntu) on one of my XPS laptops, where it actually runs great, but I'm slowly switching over to Void for my desktop/laptops, which I've been running on my servers for years; it does take more time to install (especially with RAID) but is so much nicer and simpler to deal with once installed (without systemd or snaps). Void is kinda like what Debian used to be -- rough around the edges but really a great distribution once it's up and running.
alwaysanon 4y ago
I am a long-time Ubuntu user who switched from Ubuntu 22.04 to Fedora 36 because I have a 12th gen Intel CPU and read that the newer kernels it offers supported the P/E cores better. I have to say that I am very impressed with Fedora. Defaults to nice Noto fonts, everything feels cleaner/snappier, no snaps, and the only downside was I had to follow these instructions to get the NVIDIA drivers - which wasn't that bad... https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA I was also pleasantly surprised that all of my usual tools (python3, node, etc.) seemed to either already by there or were a dnf install away - and that gave me the versions I wanted/expected... I was thinking I'd go back to Ubuntu when a new version dropped with a new kernel that supported the modern Intel processors - but now I think I am going to stay...
- seabrookmx 4y ago
  I did the exact same thing (i5-1240p in a Framework laptop). A few of the recent kernels borked my graphics (integrated), so I stuck on 5.19.8 for a bit. The latest kernel seems good again now though. I find the vanilla gnome setup in Fedora a bit more polished as well. I install dash-to-dock via the new Extension Manager app and I'm good to go.
talkingtab 4y ago
How to install firefox directly http://mzl.la/1xKrIV5 http://mzl.la/1xKrIV5
oxff 4y ago
Forced to use Windows because Ubuntu cannot get color profile for monitor right and font rendering is awful compared to Winndows
- pizza 4y ago
  Would love to get proper hdr support on Ubuntu. Furthermore there doesn't seem to be display-stream compression support, so I can't get 5160x1440 @ 240 Hz :/ - "just" 3840x1080, which to be fair, is still many pixels, but..
phendrenad2 4y ago
Is it as good as Windows and MacOS yet?
jrm4 4y ago
Aha, so we're at Ubuntu sucks now because of snaps? Sonny, I'm old enough to remember when Ubuntu sucked because of Unity. :) Anyway, MX Linux if you're looking for something moderate.
daza 4y ago
Have they solved mouse scroll speed issue? As far as I know, you have to do some nasty tricks to adjust in certain type of applications. It works horribly with high dpi monitors though.
auraham 4y ago
I've been using Ubuntu 22.04 for a while. These are my complaints: - The login page (gdm3) does not detect when I touch the touchpad. I need to press it hardly to get a click. I read somewhere that it is a feature for tablet-like devices. - For some unknown reason, gdm3 is listening for click events. As a result, I cannot use my touchpad in i3. The only fix I've found is to install Xubuntu. So I end up installing Ubuntu, i3, and Xubuntu in that order. The login page of Xubuntu (lightdm) does not mess with the touchpad in i3. You can say, just install lightdm alone. However, that does not work, though. - Regarding snaps, my only complaint is the file dialogs of Firefox (file chooser, save as...) in i3. Again, some process is capturing events. Every time I want to type a file name when saving a file, the dialog instead trigger the autocomplete menu. So instead of typing the name for saving the file, the dialog shows me file matches. Very annoying. That only happens in i3.

359 points by pantalaimon 4y ago

Everyday is like a new Ubuntu release on Arch Linux and in 8 years I've only had to boot into a rescue environment one time and it was due to me using a non-standard configuration.

chuckSu 4y ago
Majestic121 4y ago
BTW I use Arch
packetlost 4y ago
Idk, I've had systemd-resolved eat itself because of an update that added some new required config that I missed when running an update. Very annoying when dealing with headless servers. Arch is fine for laptops, but I would not put anything that I rely on daily on Arch and I certainly wouldn't want to maintain a fleet of Arch VMs/containers/whatever
RedShift1 4y ago
Everybody has a story like that about every distro ever
- aliqot 4y ago
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  - BirAdam 4y ago
    Because those aren't distributions... those are independent operating systems that aren't related to Linux in any way.
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    - aliqot 4y ago
      Say you're sorry.
NegativeK 4y ago
I'm a little unclear about what you're trying to say. Is it that you've had success with rolling releases?

overshard 4y ago

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch took me a lot more work to get set up but once it was it's been pretty invisible, which is how I like my OS to be. I'd probably happily swap back to Ubuntu if I read somewhere that Snap was removed entirely/canceled or something.

gtirloni 4y ago
I think you could have a very polished desktop with Fedora and flatkpaks (no daemon) without much work, but I'm glad Arch is working for you.
bxparks 4y ago
Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu but does not use snap. Doing "a lot more work" to install an OS does not sound appealing.
- nagyf 4y ago
  Yeah, setting up arch for the first time takes time. For newbie users it is definitely not appealing process, and also I would not recommend it. It's not a long process, but you do everything yourself and all this in the terminal (no GUI installer). I learned a lot about linux when I decided to try Arch. And as OP, I also never looked back :)
  - rgoulter 4y ago
    My experience with Arch (which I tried after I'd used Linux Mint) was that for the first few weeks I was constantly consulting the Arch Linux Wiki to get anything done. -- I mean, yes, the emphasis is on "learned a lot". The Arch Linux Wiki is a fantastic resource.
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Havoc 4y ago

They could really have held off on announcing it an extra couple hours till it is actually available

rubyist5eva 4y ago

of course the only comments so far are people complaining that Ubuntu sucks and their $PREFERRED_DISTRO is better I for one think Steam as a snap is a great idea, and was pleasantly surprised with them taking the feedback about the Firefox snap to heart and actually putting in the work to speed it up. I was gonna install 22.04.1 tonight (finally got fedup with Windows) but I'm gonna try this tonight instead and definitely give the Steam snap a try. The less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Congratulations to the team on another release.

aliqot 4y ago
>less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Hard to give up smoking with a pack in your pocket.
- rubyist5eva 4y ago
  not gonna get an argument from me there, but I have over 1000 steam games
  - aliqot 4y ago
    In my opinion, it's probably better to stick with windows until the drawbacks of running windows outweigh the meaningful percentage of those 1000+ games you still play.
silisili 4y ago
I don't think it's 'my distro is better' as much as it is people who loved ubuntu pissed off in the direction they went with Snaps. At least, that's my personal position. IMO, snaps have no reason to exist other than NIH. But, if they wanted to do it anyways, fine. But it should have always been opt in, and people could for example try out the Steam snap. Instead they made everything a snap mess that rarely works quickly or predictably .
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jasode 4y ago

I looked for the 22.10 download a few hours ago and didn't see it so I did a Google search and found today's comment about it possibly being delayed: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436351/when-will-ubuntu-22-10-be-released/1436353#1436353 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436351/when-will-ubuntu-22-...

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edub 4y ago
I'm downloading it from: https://releases.ubuntu.com/kinetic/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/kinetic/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/

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stabbles 4y ago

I upgraded from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 recently, and am experiencing issues where Firefox feels sluggish and X hangs for a second when I type in the terminal too quickly. Makes me wanna move away from Ubuntu. Also the idea of these major updates where the package manager mutates half the filesystem for 30 minutes straight sounds like a super brittle procedure, and snaps seem to address this, except that it feels wrong to have every package vendor its deps. I'd like to have nixos without the learning curve please...

lvass 4y ago
If you just want to install packages, nix-env is really simple.
- nrabulinski 4y ago
  Which, in my opinion, completely defeats the whole purpose of using NixOS. The last thing I want is a bunch of ad-hoc changes to my reproducible environment setup
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  - Enzime 4y ago
    I think there's still benefit in using Nix for imperative package management, as the packages are isolated. This means you don't need to clutter your global environment with the dependencies of your programs.
nrabulinski 4y ago
If you look only at the new nix command and flakes and disregard all the “legacy” commands nix is very simple and the learning curve isn’t much steeper than jumping to any other distro. The documentation around flakes is also much more complete and much higher quality on top of the NixOS discord being happy to help or point to where you can find the answers.

aliqot 4y ago

Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

nix23 4y ago
Yeah but themself and not other's...maybe they don't understand the meaning of it?
- aliqot 4y ago
  I don't understand your comment, but would like to make the observation that Canonical vis-a-vis Ubuntu is trying to make Ubuntu as ubiquitous as Windows when it comes to someones 'first' Linux system, or as a Linux system that "Just works" and are abusing this position (in my opinion) to push forward proprietary and regressive technologies like Snap. Open source does not negate something being proprietary. There are many 'one format' packages out there, flatpak and appimage being two great ones. Snap is two steps back, no steps forward, but it has that Ubuntu logo which conveys authority, and that's about as un-Linux like as it gets. By virtue of power-of-authority, they're quite literally forcing this garbage on the greater linux ecosystem that other people simply don't even know exists. Ask anybody on the street if they know what a Linux is and if the answer isn't 'no', the ones who can respond will say something like 'oh yeah, i have ubuntu on my thumb drive'. If you'd have told me this would happen in 1995, I'd have said you're nuts and gone back to hammering dents out of my Yggdrasil install as I chuckled.
lvass 4y ago
More like continuously trying to reinvent the wheel and giving up.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Yup. Seems like they consistently invent their own thing that's different than what RH/Suse/etc... come up with, then give up and just use that thing (Upstart vs. Systemd, Mir vs. Wayland, Unity vs. Gnome Shell and now Snap will probably lose to Flatpak...).

ss108 4y ago

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

pantalaimon 4y ago
I'm running 4 monitors without any issue…
- ss108 4y ago
  My cofounder is as well, on Xubuntu. Meanwhile, I've had multiple issues getting just 2 to work across years of using Ubuntu (there was a good few year span when I didn't have to fiddle with anything and it did just work). Recently, I had a second monitor running with my Ubuntu installation, but one day the monitor stopped working, and the next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root (?!). Switched to WSL and it's been great.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Run a build command once with sudo and you'll always have to. Until you fix it with chown. Hardware makes a difference as well as distribution, try live drives until one works well.
  - pantalaimon 4y ago
    > next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root I don't see how Ubuntu would be responsible for that, sounds like PEBCAK to me
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
It absolutely can and it sounds to me you're not even than capable of using an easy to use distribution like Ubuntu.
- ss108 4y ago
  I used Ubuntu for a number of years but got tired of shit periodically breaking, having to go through ridiculous hoops to set things up, etc. If wanting an OS that isn't a chore to maintain because I am busy and don't want to be an OS hobbyist, then color me "incapable".

fulafel 4y ago

The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs. If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken. (Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian, Fedora etc) Snaps mostly work great, and are a great improvement for keepign up to date sw available for people using LTS releases. This and the security improvements brought by the sandboxing greatly overshadow the sometime teething problems of the system.

hn2017 4y ago
Not sure why your downvoted. Ubuntu has been fairly reliable for years
- Shared404 4y ago
  Probably was due to this line: > Snaps mostly work great, and are a great improvement for keepign up to date sw available for people using LTS releases. This and the security improvements brought by the sandboxing greatly overshadow the sometime teething problems of the system. That being said, I do currently use Ubuntu 20.04 at work (with snap disabled) and it's been pretty great. E to Add: I don't think snap/flatpak are _inherently_ bad. Snap's implementation however does however cause lots of problems for me. While maybe these are just teething issues, flatpak is right there and works now, with acceptable sandboxing for my usecase. E2: spelling
jlkuester7 4y ago
Mark Shuttleworth is that you?
reassembled 4y ago
I recently switched from Ubuntu to Fedora 36. I think most general Ubuntu users would be able to make the switch with minimal issues. Obviously Fedora uses the yum/dnf package manager and RPM files instead of Deb packages.

jeffbee 4y ago

I've been tracking Kinetic dev and the way they do the kernel is baffling. It was static for months, then right before the kernel freeze they just merged in a huge pile of junk that they didn't understand, which broke a ton of important things including Intel iGPUs, Intel wifi, and even booting on Intel 11th generation and later CPUs. No integration tests or anything. With the release kernel i915 graphics are still glitchy as hell and Intel Wifi 6E doesn't work. I don't think the dev->freeze->release system works correctly.

noasaservice 4y ago

Because this matters: https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/ I've been getting "Firefox is updating in $time days" as a unstoppable notification, because snap uses highest priority to jam notifications through. The best is to purge snap completely from the system. And the URL applies to 22.04, but likely also works mostly the same, with possibly more "snap list" crap to remove. If I could properly administrate snap, and if it followed my settings, I'd use it. But it doesn't provide for ANY sort of reasonable administration nor respectable defaults. So it gets the axe.

giobox 4y ago

It says a lot about the incredible success of the Raspberry Pi that headline features in Ubuntu releases are now aimed specifically at it.

sixothree 4y ago
Too bad you can't get a W for less than $50 right now.

znpy 4y ago

After years of ubuntu... I went back to Debian. For the few packages where I need a newest version I use flatpak. Ubuntu was basically unusable with their constant push of snap and other dumb solutions looking for a problem.

ctoth 4y ago

I'm not sure precisely why, but when I first saw ads in Apt(8) I decided I wouldn't be using Ubuntu for any more personal projects. On one hand they obviously need to keep the project alive. On the other hand, putting your own ads on top of something that fundamental to the system just felt ... weird/narsty? Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines. Learn more at https://ubuntu.com/pro https://ubuntu.com/pro

5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it), PPAs (same), proprietary drivers out of the box, and 10 years of support if you're willing to pay. I remember when Mark shipped Ubuntu CDs for free to anyone who requested them. Always wanted to get one, but never did because I was able to obtain Ubuntu ISOs through other means, so it didn't feel like the right thing to do. (Although we were using dial-up up until 2008 or so.) Those times seem to have passed long ago.
- huggingmouth 4y ago
  Made the jump and couldn't be happier. One thing I noticed to keep in mind: Debian doesn't seem to be as proactive nor expansive as ununtu when it comes to security updates. I'm subscribed to both dsa and usn mailing lists and the updates conancal puts out are far more numerous and timely. Also, debians unattended upgrades packages leaves a lot of packages unupdated by default. Lastely, ubuntu releases have a well-defined and known life span. You know exacly what date support will end. Not so with Debian. If you're like me and willing to deal with these shortcomings, then I highly recommend switching to Debian!
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harel 4y ago

For the last year+ I've been thinking of moving from Ubuntu (after 17 years) and into Manjaro (arch). I even have it running on another older laptop and it's great. However, the fear of losing pace, even for a day because an unforeseen problem or missing something stops me. Ubuntu has always (mostly) just worked for me, and I know Manjaro will too but after so many years change is somewhat hard...

codalan 4y ago
I switched over to Linux Mint recently. There's no way I'm going back to plain old Ubuntu anytime soon. Cinnamon just works for me, and I still have apt to manage my packages. It's kind of the logical next step for dissatisfied Ubuntu users.
- jlkuester7 4y ago
  +1 for this. I have been super happy with both Mint and Pop!_OS after leaving Ubuntu. They have everything I like about Ubuntu with basically nothing that I hate.
gunapologist99 4y ago
I liked Manjaro and Artix, but eventually the package databases somehow got confused and I couldn't upgrade them anymore without deleting files. However, Manjaro especially looks fantastic, and Artix doesn't come with systemd, which is a win..
- epage 4y ago
  My first try at Manjaro, I did an update after install and it wouldn't boot anymore. Haven't looked back since I want Linux that just works.

Mikeb85 4y ago

The Ubuntu Pro ads and this release have all come at an interesting time... Fedora and the stock Gnome eco-system are getting better and better... Debian voting to include non-free software. Google is using Debian for things these days, Steam switching to Arch... For myself, I'm now using OpenSUSE MicroOS (immutable root OS, everything else is containerized with Flatpak or Toolbox/Podman, repos based on Tumbleweed) and it really feels like the future (Fedora Silverblue is very similar). I thought that would be the direction Ubuntu takes but now it feels like Ubuntu is in some weird zone where lots of things are snaps, lots aren't, they're pushing Pro services with ads, it's getting more enterprise-y but they're also pushing containerized Steam, etc... That being said Ubuntu's always been a good experience so I'm sure it'll be fine but the direction they're taking is rather curious...

zmk5 4y ago
They are definitely going through some growing pains thats for sure.

gauddasa 4y ago

I am more interested in the wallpaper rather than new (anti)features. https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/ubuntu-kudu-wallpaper.jpg https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/202...

jaywalk 4y ago

I never knew there was an animal called Kudu. I just knew it from Azure: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/app-service/resources-kudu https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/app-service/resource...

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Theizestooke 4y ago

The only reason I still use Ubuntu is that their font smoothing is superior to everyone else straight out of the box. I tried to recreate the steps on Fedora, but couldn't come close.

seabrookmx 4y ago
Also ZFS being a single "apt install" away is pretty sweet.
- nortonham 4y ago
  yeah that is a great feature of ubuntu
lloydatkinson 4y ago
This gives me a flashback to university. We was tasked with writing some Java swing desktop app. I developed it on Windows. The lecturers would run it on Ubuntu to test and mark it. One of them tried to deduct a point for the text being clipped by a couple of pixels on Ubuntu even though that didn't happen on Windows. How was I, as inexperienced as I was at the time, supposed to know that a "cross platform" GUI framework was going to render a tab or a label (can't remember which) slightly wrong on Ubuntu compared to Windows? A very frustrating experience. Keep in mind that "good" UX/UI wasn't even a requirement (or even taught) and mine was honestly one of the better looking programs that were made. Some looked as you can imagine a bunch of students made.

sebow 4y ago

22.04 LTS is probably gonna be my last go-to linux distro release for workstations and all-around. Going back to fedora after this goes EOL since the "snappy" shit, pro advertisements, and other things haven't stopped. I'm not mad or even annoyed because it fully expected it, but still somewhat disappointed.

Zardoz84 4y ago
Probably I will follow the same path, but to Debian, Linux Mint or AntiX.

talkingtab 4y ago

the only releases I see are the amd64 (desktop and server) https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.10/ is the raspberry pi version available or going to be?

_-david-_ 4y ago
Already available https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi

hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago

Semi related snap rant: I installed Firefox by adding a Mozilla repository into apt. Turns out the repository is nightly builds which have strange functional issues. There was no mention of this on the (rather poor) install guides I found on switching.

derefr 4y ago

Lot of people here with opinions about using Ubuntu as a desktop OS. Seemingly nobody here with opinions about Ubuntu as a server OS. Strange for a bunch of startup people who ship their SaaS backends on Linux servers.

suprjami 4y ago
I have a couple of personal servers I run on Ubuntu. I've used Alpine before and it's fine, but I want proper bash and full tools which is tedious to setup, and it doesn't do release upgrades automatically. Sometimes they make major changes like sudo-to-doas. Alpine needs a better versioning system and a release upgrader. I've also run Debian and found it unpolished and unreliable. For no reason whatsoever package updates just randomly reset all my preferences sometimes. This has happened to me multiple times over different packages and installs. Now I wouldn't run Debian if you paid me. Ubuntu Server has none of these problems and just works.
- gunapologist99 4y ago
  FWIW, Void is like a bigger version of Alpine; they even both have musl versions. (Interestingly, I've always found Debian quite reliable but agree that it definitely lacks the polish that Ubuntu provides.)
mort96 4y ago
I use Ubuntu Server on all my headless stuff. It's boring, in the best way possible. I install it and set it up, run `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` occasionally (I should enable unattended upgrades but I haven't), and otherwise don't have to think about it at all until it's time to upgrade to another LTS 2 years later. Those LTS to LTS upgrades are kinda painful, but not unexpectedly so, considering you're catching up to the past 2 years of evolution in the whole ecosystem at once. On personal computers, I hate that model, but on servers, I'd much rather spend up to a day or two fixing stuff at a time of my own choosing once every two years, than spend less time fixing random issues which crop up at random intervals during a routine apt-get upgrade.
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tommica 4y ago

Just to add a bit of positivity in the sea of negativity - thanks for Ubuntu, it has been very impactful in the ecosystem!

dm319 4y ago
The comments are always a bit contrary to the topic here. I've used ubuntu since 2009, and I am still very much a fan. My preference is for ubuntuMATE, and I'll confess I'm not that keen on snaps, but overall, it's great to have an amazing free operating system to use like this.

VLM 4y ago

The micropython support is interesting; most activity is on circuitpython but micropython supports older chips (the ESP8266 and the very first OG original ESP32 are two examples of hardware I have on my desk). They both work, its just the odds are vastly higher of finding a library for circuit rather than micro and there's probably ten circuit python users for every micropython user. Although I "have to" use both. I thought that was interesting to throw in support of the less popular but wider range of hardware choice for microcontroller python and not even mention the other more popular option. (Side note what's up with UF2 firmware upgrades not working on ESP32-S2 chips, works on everything else, must be an interesting story behind that)

matt_trentini 4y ago
I'm genuinely curious how you've determined that "most activity" is on CircuitPython? I'm close to both projects and they are both highly active. MicroPython tends to be lower-level and a little more under-the-radar, especially since Adafruit provides such a focal point to CircuitPython (and do a great job with it!). As for libraries; there's a whole lot of MicroPython libs listed on awesome-micropython.com and, if you need to use a CP library in MP, it's often trivial to port. I was a little surprised to see MicroPython mentioned at all here since there's not really much that Ubuntu is doing to provide that support. I guess it was to refer to the popular RPi Pico, which has official support with MicroPython. CircuitPython support is becoming very close to parity on the Pico though. (I'm not sure what you mean wrt UF2 on ESP32-S2; it has always worked fine for me? I just tried it again and there were no issues. Note that - unlike the Pico - the UF2 bootloader is not in ROM so you have to install it first.)

wslh 4y ago

Does it solve the freezing with dual monitors? [1] [1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407630/os-freezing-with-dual-monitors-on-ubuntu-22-04-lts https://askubuntu.com/questions/1407630/os-freezing-with-dua...

g105b 4y ago

Who benefits from snap?

favadi 4y ago
I’m happy with the Emacs snap. It is one of the few programs I like to have latest version installed.
nortonham 4y ago
from what I've read in other forums online it's developers and people working with IOT. following that, canonical benefits.

Karupan 4y ago

Regardless of all the (rightful?) hate towards Ubuntu recently, it’s worked great for me. Just last week I had a spare Microsoft surface laptop 1 and wanted to setup a headless server since Raspberry Pi’s are ridiculously priced. Ubuntu 20.04 worked flawlessly out of the box whereas the Debian installer couldn’t detect the laptop keyboard and I couldn’t complete installation (just one USB port). Also it’s just so much easier to find howto’s for Ubuntu, especially if it’s some weird hardware. Love Ubuntu for personal use!

phendrenad2 4y ago
I'm so tired of seeing people say that there's "hate" toward something simply because people criticize it. There's NO hate toward Ubuntu. There are criticisms. Criticism is not hate. Hate is not criticism.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  if the criticism is mindless and disproportionate I think hate is a fair label. Nobody on earth can tell me they care about a single line of text advertising a premium service of the application they are currently using which is provided to them for free. Ubuntu has always received a strange amount of lowbrow criticism probably because it's one of the dominant distros in the linux space. I remember how everyone despised Unity with a passion until it was gone, and then suddenly a substantial amount of people wanted it back.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    > Nobody on earth can tell me they care about a single line of text advertising Why do you think this is unlikely? People care about a lot of different things. Have you asked people what about it bothers them, rather than dismissing them immediately?

gunapologist99 4y ago

I still run Ubuntu (actually Kubuntu) on one of my XPS laptops, where it actually runs great, but I'm slowly switching over to Void for my desktop/laptops, which I've been running on my servers for years; it does take more time to install (especially with RAID) but is so much nicer and simpler to deal with once installed (without systemd or snaps). Void is kinda like what Debian used to be -- rough around the edges but really a great distribution once it's up and running.

alwaysanon 4y ago

I am a long-time Ubuntu user who switched from Ubuntu 22.04 to Fedora 36 because I have a 12th gen Intel CPU and read that the newer kernels it offers supported the P/E cores better. I have to say that I am very impressed with Fedora. Defaults to nice Noto fonts, everything feels cleaner/snappier, no snaps, and the only downside was I had to follow these instructions to get the NVIDIA drivers - which wasn't that bad... https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA I was also pleasantly surprised that all of my usual tools (python3, node, etc.) seemed to either already by there or were a dnf install away - and that gave me the versions I wanted/expected... I was thinking I'd go back to Ubuntu when a new version dropped with a new kernel that supported the modern Intel processors - but now I think I am going to stay...

seabrookmx 4y ago
I did the exact same thing (i5-1240p in a Framework laptop). A few of the recent kernels borked my graphics (integrated), so I stuck on 5.19.8 for a bit. The latest kernel seems good again now though. I find the vanilla gnome setup in Fedora a bit more polished as well. I install dash-to-dock via the new Extension Manager app and I'm good to go.

talkingtab 4y ago

How to install firefox directly http://mzl.la/1xKrIV5 http://mzl.la/1xKrIV5

oxff 4y ago

Forced to use Windows because Ubuntu cannot get color profile for monitor right and font rendering is awful compared to Winndows

pizza 4y ago
Would love to get proper hdr support on Ubuntu. Furthermore there doesn't seem to be display-stream compression support, so I can't get 5160x1440 @ 240 Hz :/ - "just" 3840x1080, which to be fair, is still many pixels, but..

phendrenad2 4y ago

Is it as good as Windows and MacOS yet?

jrm4 4y ago

Aha, so we're at Ubuntu sucks now because of snaps? Sonny, I'm old enough to remember when Ubuntu sucked because of Unity. :) Anyway, MX Linux if you're looking for something moderate.

daza 4y ago

Have they solved mouse scroll speed issue? As far as I know, you have to do some nasty tricks to adjust in certain type of applications. It works horribly with high dpi monitors though.

auraham 4y ago

I've been using Ubuntu 22.04 for a while. These are my complaints: - The login page (gdm3) does not detect when I touch the touchpad. I need to press it hardly to get a click. I read somewhere that it is a feature for tablet-like devices. - For some unknown reason, gdm3 is listening for click events. As a result, I cannot use my touchpad in i3. The only fix I've found is to install Xubuntu. So I end up installing Ubuntu, i3, and Xubuntu in that order. The login page of Xubuntu (lightdm) does not mess with the touchpad in i3. You can say, just install lightdm alone. However, that does not work, though. - Regarding snaps, my only complaint is the file dialogs of Firefox (file chooser, save as...) in i3. Again, some process is capturing events. Every time I want to type a file name when saving a file, the dialog instead trigger the autocomplete menu. So instead of typing the name for saving the file, the dialog shows me file matches. Very annoying. That only happens in i3.