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iPad Pro M2

• galoisscobi 4y ago
  I wonder why developer tools are not a priority for Apple for “pro” iPads. At this point, it uses the M2 chip so the limitations on running IDEs, compilers and other tools just seem arbitrarily imposed.
  • 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    What developer tools? The ability to create and install your own applications like an actual computer? That would circumvent their walled garden. I wish they'd just ship macOS as an "app" on their iPads
    • bwilliams 4y ago
      I'd even be happy with a performant VM app that I could run linux on at this point. It would be so nice to be able to swipe up and go from linux VM -> imessage, etc.
  • hankchinaski 4y ago
    I would assume this would cannibalise mac sales, very doubtful we will ever see compilers on ipad os
    • lbotos 4y ago
      If I get a 1TB iPad Pro (16GB of ram) with pencil and keyboard it's $2200. Without the pencil it's $2148. If I get a 1TB 13 Inch M2 Macbook (16GB ram) it's 1899. I have been avoiding getting an iPad because it can't run xCode, and it's cheaper for me to get the laptop. Sure, some people are buying both, but I'm sure there are many like me that aren't because of this exact trade off.
    • zefhous 4y ago
      Steve Jobs and Tim Cook have both stated that they don't hesitate to cannibalize their own products, and Apple has proved that many times over. Especially at the scale in which iPad having developer tools could ostensibly cannibalize Mac sales — there's no way this would be a factor in the existence of those tools.
    • makeitdouble 4y ago
      We saw a huge push to bring the mac near iOS territory (the Mac Store, gatekeeper, catalyst, the new design language etc.) . If Apple could, I bet they'd exchange every new mac for an iPad and effectively gain the tightest control they could ever get of a huge part of the ecosystem.
  • etchalon 4y ago
    There are developers tools for iPadOS, they're just not anything you can do professional work with. The main problem, I think, is most development tools require a relatively low-level of operating system access that Apple has not figured out a way to do given what they want iOS/iPadOS to "be". My suspicion is they'll eventually find a way to do containers in a manner that's relatively "safe", and they'll lean on Cloud-based build tools that move the hard work off device.
  • musictubes 4y ago
    I keep hearing about the desire for developer tools on an ipad and I just don’t get it. The entirety of iPadOS would need to be overhauled in order for it to be conducive for developer work. What is the appeal of doing dev work on a touch based UI with limited access to the file system on a cramped screen? The Mac is perfectly set up for that work.
    • philliphaydon 4y ago
      What about something like Jetbrains Fleet where its all done on a remote computer but the IDE is local?
    • sixstringtheory 4y ago
      I don’t want to use the touch interface while developing. I want to be able to do development on the same device that I can use the touch interface for other things as well, like using the Pencil to markup screenshots or design docs. It seems ridiculous that I still have to carry around a bigger, heavier laptop just for that one final use case. I also have been using a 13” mac for years, so “cramped screen” doesn’t really apply to me on a 12.9” iPad pro’s XDR. It is more than capable, and I would hopefully be able to plug it into my external monitor at home.
    • Siira 4y ago
      An iPad is more portable than a Mac.
      • asdff 4y ago
        You are saving like a pound and a half
    • lynndotpy 4y ago
      I’ve done a significant amount of coding on a terminal on an Android phone. > The entirety of iPadOS would need to be overhauled in order for it to be conducive for developer work I disagree. I used an iPad for sysadmin, datascience, some math, and some web dev. Most of the pain comes from arbitrary restrictions Apple places on iPads. (I’d imagine it’ll get more painful as my eyes worsen.) The appeal is simple: Being able to develop with whatever device you have on you. A laptop beats a tablet, a tablet beats a phone, and a phone beats pencil and paper.
• rowanG077 4y ago
  Is it possible to run virtualized linux on these and have all hardware stuff working?
  • asadlionpk 4y ago
    Not yet. best so far is UTM.
    • bullen 4y ago
      But does UTM support OpenGL powered by the M2 GPU?! And off topic but what about connecting a mouse to this thing? And what about compiling apps on it!? What about running OpenGL on non emulated linux on this? I know the GPU is being worked on but do the old OpenGL parts work allready or is that part of the reverse engineering? I wish you could change batteries yourself... hopefully they have moved towards that: 3/10 on the old one: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+Pro+11-Inch+Teardown/115457 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+Pro+11-Inch+Teardown/11...
      • rowanG077 4y ago
        AFAIK there is nothing being worked on. I would be VERY interested on a faint glimmer of hope of linux being possible on Ipad Pros.
        • bullen 4y ago
          https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-gpu-driver-apple/ https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-gpu-driver-apple/
          • rowanG077 4y ago
            That's only targeting the OSX based systems unfortunately. No iPads.
            • bullen 4y ago
• doerig 4y ago
  From the press release: "The 11-inch iPad Pro starts at $799 (US) for the Wi-Fi model and $999 (US) for the Wi-Fi + Cellular model; the 12.9-inch iPad Pro starts at $1,099 (US) for the Wi-Fi model, and $1,299 (US) for the Wi-Fi + Cellular model."
• duxup 4y ago
  For me this is one of those announcements that I'm excited to see the new version, so that I can maybe buy the previous version ;) That's not a knock on the new version in any way, just a reflection of how much I value this particular type of device / where I feel I need more power and etc.
  • flumpcakes 4y ago
    I just purchased the iPad Air last week. The model I went for was 720 in my local currency, and after today's shop update is now 850. It looks like the Magic Keyboard also increased from 270 to 330.
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• wslh 4y ago
  How long does the battery last? Comparing to the MacBook Air?
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  • mnholt 4y ago
    From the tech specs: Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi or watching video. 9 hours if using Cellular data.
    • spullara 4y ago
      which in comparison is about half of an air or pro.
• akmarinov 4y ago
  First time for Wi-Fi 6E on Apple hardware. Expecting that in the new MBPs as well
• Veliladon 4y ago
  Still can't believe the M2 chip is hobbled with Stage Manager. Dear Apple, I want my iPad to become a Finder based full-fat macOS when it's on the Magic Keyboard and I want it to be Springboard when I take it off the Magic Keyboard. Make it happen already.
  • smoldesu 4y ago
    Yeah, I don't really know who Apple is hoping to sell these to. My ex-boyfriend bought one of the earlier iPad Pros with some grand ambitions, but he mostly ended up using it for Netflix, Twitter and emails. I think that totally legitimizes the existence of the smaller/cheaper models, but who is Apple selling these to in the long-term? Even the mediocre Surface Pro has a decent software experience that explains why someone might continue spending extra on it. But I don't know who the iPad Pro is for, especially these souped-up models. 120hz is nice, but... who the hell is going to need or even appreciate a high-refresh rate on an iPad? I reckon most "pros" would be happier if they sacked the high refresh and upgraded the panel to a 60hz OLED one. I'm just spitballing though. The iPad probably won't make sense for most of us until it's discontinued or they add macOS to it, whichever comes first.
    • jessriedel 4y ago
      The extra 2 inches of screen can be a reason to get a Pro, but I agree it's unclear why they both to put in so much horsepower.
      • selykg 4y ago
        as an avid comic book reader, the 12.9" iPad Pro is _perfect_ for reading comics, you don't have to zoom in or out at all and you can simply read. The 11" model might be fine too but I've only ever used the 12.9" model. It's slightly oversized, like the treatment some of the deluxe hardcover graphic novels get, and it's absolutely glorious to be able to read without zooming in. I'd love to get a newer iPad, but the price is bananas for me given the use case. I bought the pre-2018 model and it's still holding on but I'm going to be bummed when this one reaches the end of it's usable life due to software updates and such because I can't afford (or, justify maybe) one of the newer models.
• xfalcox 4y ago
  I would love a way to enable Safari DevTools on this device so I could use it to debug iOS specific quirks instead of needing an Apple laptop.
  • candiddevmike 4y ago
    Get a Mac Mini, stick it in a closet and VNC into it, that's what I do.
    • duxup 4y ago
      Yeah I would think a Mini would be a better use case than a whole laptop.
    • xfalcox 4y ago
      Then you emulate iOS on it to debug iOS Safari? Is it fast enough?
      • candiddevmike 4y ago
        Yea, it works well and is plenty fast on a LAN (remote may be laggy). Some things you can't test using emulators, namely App Store stuff I believe, and you need to screw with the resolution/scaling so you can read the text. I threw a GitHub runner on mine so I can do iOS builds from it.
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  • agrippanux 4y ago
    If you are needing it for web dev, the Inspect browser on iOS works great for that purpose. It is annoying you have to pay $10 for something that should be built in.
    • xfalcox 4y ago
      Is that a paid extension?
• crims0n 4y ago
  Interesting, if only incremental update. The hardware far outpacing the software continues.
• mnholt 4y ago
  No horizontal camera is a dealbreaker for me at this point. I know it’s minor, but that would truly let me leave the laptop/desktop at home.
  • nomel 4y ago
    With the number of cameras on an iPhone, I'm surprised they don't just add a second.
• gedy 4y ago
  Looks really nice, but as a developer I'm unwilling to give that up on my local system! Maybe one day if cloud only becomes a lot better, but even then feels like a downgrade.
• candiddevmike 4y ago
  Anyone use an iPad as their daily driver?
  • mnholt 4y ago
    I did with the 2018 11” + Magic Keyboard. I felt very capable of doing most day-to-day tasking with the keyboard and mouse. Video calls sucked because the camera is off to the side when in the Magic Keyboard. Stage Manager might help even more, I found the previous “windowing” features to be lacking.
  • CGamesPlay 4y ago
    I have been, for backend development only. I live most of my life in Blink shell connected to a Linux machine. Works great as a very expensive dumb terminal. https://blink.sh/ https://blink.sh/ Cons: - Multitasking is weak. You can put two windows next to one another as long as you want them to be in a vertical split. The "pull out" side window feature doesn't work on the home screen for no discernible reason, so if you have Things in the side app then open it from the home screen, it's no longer opened in the side app and you have to manually move it back. (append: I haven't tried Stage Manager yet; maybe it will address some of this) - Hardware keyboard support is pretty weak. The settings app and shortcuts app are two examples of apps with bad keyboard support. The "full keyboard access" is a very strange modality: it turns tab into a chording key. There's no equivalent to "focus all elements" as there is on desktop, so for example if I press tab from this text box, the "reply button" is not selected; the search at the bottom of the page is. - Web access is a must. Individual apps might provide offline support, but many have sub-par sync systems, where you'll discovered that your offline files have helpfully been completely deleted and require resyncing, but since you're already on the plane by that point you're out of luck. All in all: works great as an expensive dumb terminal.
  • Maursault 4y ago
    I use a 5th gen iPad mini for web, email, telephony, ebooks, photos & video capture, but I use older Intel Macs (MBP 2010 & mini 2012) for local media server, storage, photo and video editing, torrent, file manipulation and transcoding, word processing & desktop publishing, pdf generation & editing, VM & emulation, and all the things that iDevices won't easily or gracefully allow or anything I happen to prefer on macOS. Granted, with effort, one can do nearly everything on iDevice, but it isn't always convenient. But upwards of 90% of the things I use Apple technology for is web browsing, email, and watching a movie or tv show, and this incidentally makes my Macs more secure and less needy of administration. I would like to have a new Mac, but I really can't justify it because I no longer use them for web and email, all the old Mac software can still do what I need it to do, although heavy processing takes longer, because the Macs are really in the background, it doesn't slow me down.
• lapcat 4y ago
  I love how "Desktop-class apps" means extremely basic features available decades ago on desktop: "consistent undo and redo, a redesigned inline find-and-replace experience, a new document menu, customizable toolbars, and the ability to change file extensions, view folder size".
  • lupire 4y ago
    Can you drag the cursor with your finger to a specific character in-text yet, without selecting text? 2018 iPad can't.
    • kkruglov 4y ago
      Long tap space bar and it should become something like a trackpad for the cursor.
      • ryanmcbride 4y ago
        God damn thank you. This interaction used to be triggered by deep pressing on the keyboard and it drove me insane when they got rid of it, I couldn't find any settings to turn it back on but this works!
        • kaba0 4y ago
          It’s also the same on iphones.
    • tshaddox 4y ago
      My 2017 iPad Pro can do that. I can tap and drag on the cursor to move it. I can also long-tap and drag on the spacebar to move the cursor like a touchpad. I can also drag with 2 fingers anywhere on the keyboard to move the cursor like a touchpad. The first 2 options also work on my iPhone.
  • duxup 4y ago
    Not sure the desktop has moved beyond that though. So seems about right.
• drewg123 4y ago
  As far as I know, this is the first Apple hardware to support Wifi 6E, which is something I've been waiting on for what feels like forever. I'm hoping the rumored new laptops will also support 6E. For those that don't know, Wifi-6E uses the 6Ghz band, and I anticipate it will be very helpful in crowded residential environments where lots of Wifi APs are all landing on the same few 2.4 and 5Ghz channels.
  • jessriedel 4y ago
    I can't understand the emphasis on more bandwidth. The pain with wifi is overwhelmingly dominated by the slowness establishing a connection (why does it take more than a second?!), with connection reliability and latency (for video calls) also being important. "Wifi 7: 10 Terrabyte/sec transfer speeds" *yawn* "Wifi 7: Connects in 500 ms, latency 20 ms, tri-band fallover for 5-nines reliability" *Opens checkbook*
    • bombcar 4y ago
      All I want is wireless devices that can be connected to my 2.4GHz and 5Gz network at the same time with the same IP.
      • herpderperator 4y ago
        Dual-band (one device using both 2.4GHz and 5GHz) has existed for over a decade.
        • chrisbolt 4y ago
          That only uses one band at a time, with separate IPs and MAC addresses for each.
          • herpderperator 4y ago
            That's not what simultaneous dual-band means.[0] [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=simultaneous+dual+band https://www.google.com/search?q=simultaneous+dual+band
• lma21 4y ago
  The iPad Pro is one of the expensive products that I never regret paying 800$ for. Incredible speed, smooth UX, long lasting battery, really doesn't even come close to the previous (Intel-powered) iPads.
  • carlob 4y ago
    Intel based iPads?
    • skyyler 4y ago
      With context I think it's pretty clear that they meant tablet. My thinkpad tablets are thick, hot, and the battery lasts around 3 hours of light use.
  • spullara 4y ago
    There have never been Intel based iPads.
• jdlyga 4y ago
  "Hover" with the Apple Pencil is something that my Tablet PC in 2003 could do. Still, I'm very glad that tablets in 2022 finally have this feature.
  • jonas-w 4y ago
    Wait you couldn't hover over the ipad and it didn't show you a pointer? The galaxy tablets had this since a few generations, why didn't apple do this earlier?
    • twobitshifter 4y ago
      it seems to be an m2 feature only
      • catfishx 4y ago
        Because it is such a CPU intensive task OFC /s
• atty 4y ago
  They keep on pushing on the power of the iPads. Out of curiosity, does anyone really use their iPads for something they’d consider really compute intensive? I find that the best use of a tablet is reading and watching videos. Any time I want to do anything complex or computationally intensive I find a laptop to be much more efficient, both in terms of the OS flexibility and better input devices.
  • bparsons 4y ago
    For 99.99% of users, they are 1500 dollar Facebook machines.
    • m3kw9 4y ago
      You are projecting a bit there
    • NoraCodes 4y ago
      I doubt that. Many very serious artists use Procreate on an iPad as their primary medium, and I honestly can't think of a better tool without jumping about a thousand dollars in price, loath as I am to say it.
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      • nickthegreek 4y ago
        agreed. I dont know any tattoo artist without one.
  • davidgay 4y ago
    Adobe Lightroom works quite nicely, I use it to edit photos I take on vacation while on vacation.
  • lbotos 4y ago
    I don't particularly, but I like to watch videos at 3 and 4x and bigger procs have helped. Older iPads stumbled past 2x. But, It does make me salty that an M2 iPad can't run Xcode. I wish they would figure that out as it would greatly streamline my setup.
• gnicholas 4y ago
  Interestingly the Apple Pencil "hover" feature doesn't require a new generation of Pencil — this works on the 2nd Gen. Overall, this looks like it is clearly aimed at creators. I have the 2018 Pro with Magic Keyboard and have zero interest in upgrading to this model. Honestly I almost wish I could trade my Pro for a Mini, since it's more pocket-able, and I mainly use my Pro for demoing my startup's technology.
  • duxup 4y ago
    It seems like Apple has been embracing the folks who live and die on their iPad full time or mostly full time. I don't think I could do that now but there seems to be a sizable crowd who works that way and maybe is the future.
  • boppo1 4y ago
    > Interestingly the Apple Pencil "hover" feature doesn't require a new generation of Pencil Yeah, it requires a new ipad. I'm a bit salty, not gonna lie. This has been basic on wacoms forever.
• MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Interestingly, the 11 inch iPad Pro still retains the LED display of the 2018 iPad Pro, unlike the FALD display of the 12.9 inch. Seems like display technology has matured and reached an equilibrium pricing state if even Apple can't justify the cost of investing in producing the fancier displays in a second size.
  • zuhsetaqi 4y ago
    Maybe it's also because of the cooling capacity of the 12.9" vs the 11" iPad
    • MichaelZuo 4y ago
      From what I understand it's the exact same cooling design except the larger surface area and thermal mass of the 12.9, which is almost entirely negated by the larger display generating more heat.
• petarb 4y ago
  The stage mode looks like an interesting attempt for desktop like productivity with an external monitor.
• uses 4y ago
  Pretty surprised they left the front camera on the side of the device. I can't figure out why they would think that makes sense after using it even once. It's so awkward trying to do a meeting and I have this weird camera angle coming from the corner of my face. The alternative is portrait orientation, which puts the camera really far from the center of the screen - feels like it's coming from above or below my face - and puts my video feed opposite to the orientation of my audience's screens, while also not being able to lean on the folded case.
  • theNJR 4y ago
    This was the first thing I looked for. iPad is unusable for video calls.
    • agrippanux 4y ago
      Not to mention video calls (Google Meet, Zoom, Teams) kill the battery on an iPad. Google Meet in particular seems to be about 1% of battery a minute.
      • e40 4y ago
        On the ARM versions? My M2 air uses very little battery for zoom (1+ hr about 10% or less, don't remember).
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        • cassianoleal 4y ago
          They are all ARM. I have an iPad Pro with A15, and it holds battery better than my M1 MacBook Air on video calls. They are both great though, much better than any x64 devices I have ever had.
        • ulfw 4y ago
          Your M2 Air is a Macbook, not an iPad
• Gwarzo 4y ago
  I would almost want to create a new thread for this, but what is the use case of a tablet? Is this for fulltime physical meeting goers to stylishly take notes? Is there some benefit to using this over a laptop?
  • piva00 4y ago
    I was on the fence when the iPad Pro M1 was released, it seemed to finally tick off as a laptop replacement for some of my hobbies (photography and music) but unfortunately it is not a desktop OS, not supporting desktop workflows and apps that I'm used to. If it was a screen-only version of my MBA M1 I could definitely ditch the MBA and use an iPad exclusively, even if it required attaching a keyboard sometimes. The lacking software still makes it much more of a luxury to me than something to actually replace my use cases for a portable computer... I could afford one but see absolutely no usage given that my MBA is already extremely portable and works like I expect.
  • random42_ 4y ago
    I know it's very niche and doesn't apply to everybody but I know of a bunch of comic book/comic strip artists that are doing more and more work on the iPad pro and less on their Wacom devices.
  • gherkinnn 4y ago
    For me it’s the form factor. It’s the perfect thing to take travelling. And on the work side, the pen is astonishingly good as is the app ecosystem. It also functions as a second screen for a macbook. Is it necessary? No. Have I spent money in worse? Absolutely.
  • randcraw 4y ago
    The iPad boots up in just 1 second. I can do 90% of what I do on a computer on it, at a much more adjustable angle, and it's a lot more portable. A tablet is integrated into my daily routine to a degree a laptop will never be.
  • squeaky-clean 4y ago
    I bought my iPad (non-pro) mainly to play online chess, to read comic books, and for D&D pdfs at the table. It's also a nice web-browsing and video watching machine. The iPad Pro's are a bit excessive for that sort of "consumer" usage though. The only great use-case I've seen for the pro is 2d digital art. I have a few artist friends who love the pro+pencil. Music production on one really interests me, but none of my favorite plugins (effects and instruments) that work MacOS/Windows exist for the ipad. They also don't offer enough storage at the high end Komplete 14 Ultimate is 680GB. Each of the Spitfire sample libraries is near 200GB There are some nice sequencing apps, but again don't need the pro for that, I just send the MIDI or OSC data to a "real" computer running a "real" DAW.
• user3939382 4y ago
  I like how it says > Wi‑Fi 6E and 5G So 10Gb and then as an example directly under it shows a news article with a couple small images in it lol. Personally what I'm really waiting for is 40 Gb to load my news articles.
• kaycebasques 4y ago
  One current day iPad killer app IMO is Procreate. It's basically a more intuitive version of Adobe Illustrator completely optimized for iPad + iPen. I bought my then girlfriend (now wife :D) an iPad for her bday in 2020 accepting the risk that we're spending a lot of money on an activity she might not stick with (digital illustration). Happy to report that I was totally wrong and we have def gotten our money's worth through the countless hours she has logged creating art. If she didn't have such a stellar app like Procreate she probably would have tried out other illustration methods. Not a guerilla marketing plug, I have no vested interest in Apple or Procreate. Just sharing an app outside my space that seems to not get much attention here on HN. You can check out my wife's art at https://instagram.com/gabjoart https://instagram.com/gabjoart
  • dagmx 4y ago
    ProCreate and illustrator aren’t comparable. The former is raster while the latter is a vector app. I think you meant to or should compare it to Photoshop
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    • carbocation 4y ago
      From context "Easter" was probably autouncorrected from "raster".
      • grokkedit 4y ago
        I read it as Easter (as in colorful) vs Victorian (as in austere)
      • dagmx 4y ago
        Haha yes, autocorrect on iOS 16 autocorrects backwards a word or two and it drives me nuts.
    • wlesieutre 4y ago
      And only the digital painting parts of Photoshop, not photo editing. Which isn't to say that it's not a great app! It's just not a full on replacement for Illustrator of Photoshop. If you want an alternative to Illustrator or Photoshop, Affinity Designer or Affinity Photo are more in that vein.
• xd1936 4y ago
  Still no "Liquid Retina XDR" display on the $800+ 11" iPad Pro :(
  • nomel 4y ago
    It, as with the last gen iPad Pro, does have Liquid Retina XDR: Last gen: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212527 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212527 This gen, right on the product page: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/
    • faeriechangling 4y ago
      The first page isn’t for the 11” model, and the second page claims it has a “Liquid Retina” screen capped at 600nits not a “Liquid Retina XDR” screen.
      • nomel 4y ago
        My bad. I completely missed the 11" there. And, I didn't realize there was a difference. That is disappointing.
• focom 4y ago
  Isn't stage mode the main star of the show? It looks like the first baby step to have an actual desktop environment on the ipad.
• hatware 4y ago
  I bought an iPad Pro (M1) about a month ago. I'm glad I didn't wait, most of these upgrades are superficial or would not be noticed by me.
• smm11 4y ago
  Still digging my Galaxy S21 being a desktop experience over an HDMI cable. But I'm probably switching to a Samsung phone that folds.
  • ChildOfChaos 4y ago
    I'd love to see this explored more, it seems we have such power in our pockets, all we really need is devices to attach this too rather than more devices with the same cpu/memory and gpu's. Particularly when you look at Apple devices, if you own multiple apple devices you have several devices with A or M series CPU and GPU's.
• gorkish 4y ago
  It's still pathetic they won't let you run OS X on it.
  • Toutouxc 4y ago
    Just FYI, it's been called "macOS" for the last eight years. The last OS X was El Capitan.
  • orangecat 4y ago
    From Apple's perspective, macOS is a legacy product with the undesirable ability to run software of your choice without giving them a cut.
• null_object 4y ago
  Pretty much everyone here knocking the iPad Pros for being consumption-only passive entertainment devices. But I guess the artists, musicians, video-editors and photographers using them professionally would disagree, if they ever came here.
  • dagmx 4y ago
    It’s a big issue with the audience of this site being too hyper focused on software development. You can see it taken one step further in threads about GitHub Copilot getting torn to bits but the threads on Stable Diffusion getting lauded as the end of artists. It’s the double standards that come up when people fixate only on what they know well themselves.
    • bovermyer 4y ago
      Yeah... I like Copilot for helping me with specific coding/data entry tasks, and I like Stable Diffusion for helping with my art workflow (I'm also an artist). I tend to keep quiet about such opinions on here, though, because I know I'll get downvoted into oblivion for heresy.
    • raxxorraxor 4y ago
      My criticism of Apple is that it is a closed environment and you get dependent on one manufacturer that is already using its position to demand high prices and doesn't really make you the owner of their devices. This conflicts with engineering in general all over the place for numerous reasons. Industry automation relies on Windows, which isn't optimal as well, but it still is a far more open system. I hope they don't try to copy Apple. In-house advertising uses Apple for designs and that works decently well. Apple is seen as cool, but it is sometimes hard to integrate them into workflows or more serious work on data. iOS and it derivatives are simply a toy OS and very unflexible. There is one solution to almost everything and in most cases it works. But that is more or less the end.
  • EugeneOZ 4y ago
    And kids. My daughter is using her iPad extensively, and not only for games - she is drawing a lot, and her current CPU is already pushing the limits in some sophisticated drawing apps.
• at_a_remove 4y ago
  I was told to expect wireless charging for these. I was excited about this, because my mother has an irrational "thing" about wires, and an uncharged iPad is a useless iPad.
  • nomel 4y ago
    There are many lightning charge docks [1]. Maybe something like that could work, if securely mounted to the back of a table, to hide the hanging wire. Wireless charging pads also have cables. Do you hide them in table surfaces? 1. Random example: https://www.belkin.com/th/chargers/wireless/charging-stands-docks/lightning-charging-dock-for-ipad-usb-a-cable-belkin/p/p-f8j088/ https://www.belkin.com/th/chargers/wireless/charging-stands-...
    • at_a_remove 4y ago
      Yeah, this is what I think I will have to go with, much as I dislike it.
• foxandmouse 4y ago
  The high refresh rate being limited to pro models seems like apple deliberately holding back a feature from it's lesser expensive models to avoid it competing with its more expensive models.
  • etchalon 4y ago
    Or it could be about profit margins.
  • joshl32532 4y ago
    Well, why would any business want to have a standout SKU, and hurt their other SKUs? I guess this could also be a tactic, make one model "best feature/price ratio". For better or worse, there's not "bang for the buck" iPad model. It really scales linearly. The more you pay, the more you get. New budget iPad - $450 - Doesn't support Pencil 2. Want that? Upgrade to Air. Weakest processor. iPad Air - $599 - Support Pencil 2. Weaker screen technology. Mid tier processor. iPad Pro - $799 - Best of everything (except for MiniLED, which you need the 13" iPad Pro). It really depends on how much features you can live with.
• lbotos 4y ago
  Anyone have iPad Pro screen protector recommendations? Looking to get one of these and worried about screens getting "softer glass" and would rather have a sacrificial layer on top.
  • jessriedel 4y ago
    I wanted the "paper feel", which gives the screen a bit of roughness so it feels like writing on paper rather than glass. I went with this brand on Amazon and have been very happy with it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N362JCW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N362JCW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... I bought it 18 months ago and still haven't needed to replace it. I can clean it as easily as the bare screen. These types of layers add a very tiny amount of color distortion, so I guess not recommended if you do professional graphics work on the thing.
  • hayst4ck 4y ago
    I've generally been pretty happy with JETech's screen protectors, not happy with where they come from, not happy they appear to be a random amazon no-name brand, but I've been pretty loyal to them and when I've deviated, mostly to protectors bought in person, I've noticed a drop in quality.
  • kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    Best Buy does lifetime warranties on some of the screen protectors they sell. I have them on my phone. They’re not mind blowing but they have changed them for free for me no questions asked before.
• bovermyer 4y ago
  So... what's the use case for this, versus say an XP Pen or Wacom graphics tablet and a Macbook? The more portable nature?
• jmull 4y ago
  It's nice they keep working on making iPadOS more useable. But it seems like a waste of time to me. Just let iPads run MacOS already. (or put the nice touch screen on MacBooks, same difference) If it's too awkward to use macOS without a keyboard and pointing device then, sure, maybe MacOS mode isn't the default.
  • neilalexander 4y ago
    Try using Sidecar for any substantial amount of time and you’ll realise just how awkward macOS is without a keyboard and pointing device.
    • jmull 4y ago
      It's not like the iPad Pro doesn't have nice keyboard and pointing device options. I remote into MacOS and Windows machines from my iPad (12.9" iPad + Apple's keyboard/trackpad case + Jump) and it works well.
• delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
  As a commment on the /r/iPad subreddit said, Apple accidentally made the most future-proof devices with the 2018 iPad Pros. There is not a single app that makes full use of the increased CPU power of these new iPads. I own a 2018 11" iPP, and it has been a game-changer in the way I have studied. After buying it, I haven't printed a single sheet of paper for note-taking. It's also a much better Netflix device than my phone.
  • nozzlegear 4y ago
    I was just thinking this myself. I have the 12.9" 2018 iPad Pro and was considering pulling the trigger on this new iPad Pro announced today. But I really have no reason to, my current one runs perfectly and I've even got the floating keyboard case which is backwards compatible with it. It's replaced my laptop entirely, instead I just ssh into my Mac at home and use vim if I feel like writing some code on the road or from bed. Honestly have no complaints with this 2018 model, it's one of my favorite pieces of hardware I've ever owned and in fact is what introduced me to the Apple ecosystem (where I'm now fully submersed) in the first place.
    • srvmshr 4y ago
      Very interesting! Can you please share your preferred apps for ssh/remote access to your home server or Mac? I think I could use that recommendation.
      • astrojams 4y ago
        Blink.sh is my favorite ssh app for the iPad.
      • nozzlegear 4y ago
        Sure! I started off using the Termius app for ssh, but ended up moving to Blink. It's been so long that I can't really say why I stopped using Termius, but Blink works really well. It has a lot of built-in bash commands, but honestly I don't find those that useful since I'm not working on local files. I think if Blink had vim built-in I'd use those commands a lot more, but right now I just open Blink and immediately ssh into my home machine. I have a couple ssh aliases set up for that -- one that uses my local network if I'm at home, and one that connects to my home IP address if I'm out on the road. The only special setup that I had to do on my Mac was allowing ssh connections and adding the public key that the Blink app created for me. When I was on Windows I found that I had to map the command and option keys from my iPad keyboard to my custom vim keybindings, but now that I use a Mac as well that's not necessary. Edit: here's a picture of my iPad ssh'd into my Mac and editing some F# code. It works well! https://www.dropbox.com/s/ilh16cesqj8ovi9/IMG_7535.jpeg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ilh16cesqj8ovi9/IMG_7535.jpeg?dl=0
• nomilk 4y ago
  Any signs of a new MacBook Pro 16" with this announcement (or any indication of when we may hear something)?
  • carlosbaraza 4y ago
    Apparently M2 Pro will launch in November, not October https://www.tomsguide.com/news/new-macbook-pros-with-m2-pro-power-just-tipped-to-launch-next-month https://www.tomsguide.com/news/new-macbook-pros-with-m2-pro-...
• reustle 4y ago
  Has there been any recent discussions as to why Apple still hasn't introduced cellular connectivity on their laptops? Is it yet another attempt to get people to convert over to the walled garden of iOS? With every ipadOS iteration, they push it to be closer and closer to a desktop experience (windows, monitor support, keyboard trackpad cover, etc).
  • etchalon 4y ago
    I'd wager it's a Qualcomm negotiation thing.
  • smoldesu 4y ago
    Modern WWAN might be a bit of a nightmare. I'm not super familiar with recent efforts in the space, but if Apple wanted to knock this out of the park, they'd need two things: - Unlimited data plans, preferably at a non-insane price (sub $50-month would be nice) - Both 4G LTE and 5G connectivity. Not just one or the other. Both of these seem technically possible, but I'd assume they'd be incredibly difficult to pull-off from a business negotiation perspective.
    • ripdog 4y ago
      Why does Apple need to provide the plan as well? I mean, given Apple's controlling nature, they may well wish to - but most laptops with mobile internet simply provide a SIM slot hooked up to a standard mobile baseband. Customers find their own plan, and many carriers offer plans which are tablet-oriented, with no calls/texts and sharing the data from a 'master' mobile plan.
      • reustle 4y ago
        Not sure how this is much different from an iPad Pro, either.
  • jshier 4y ago
    As sibling alluded to, they don't want to pay the per device royalty percentage, especially on high price devices like a MacBook Pro.
• vbezhenar 4y ago
  Is it possible to use iPad with Safari and VSCode? I'm thinking about something like GitHub Codespaces. Like development in browser.
  • brikwerk 4y ago
    Code server might be what you're looking for: https://github.com/coder/code-server https://github.com/coder/code-server The caveat with the above is that you'll need something to host it. You could use a computer on your local network or a VPS of some kind (DigitalOcean, Linode, etc all have cheaper plans for hosting). Once you get Code Server running, you can add the URL to your homepage to remove the Safari URL bar.
  • kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    Try GitHub.dev on your iPad now. Totally possible. You can save a link to it on your Home Screen. It’s not a full time workspace but a decent backup option if on the go.
    • vbezhenar 4y ago
      I don't really own good iPad unfortunately, just trying to understand its capabilities. Can I attach proper 4K display with keyboard and mouse if necessary? Will it work like desktop (when it comes to browser)? While I don't really think that iPad is a good replacement for Macbook Air, that's an interesting option at least.
• __jl__ 4y ago
  The iPad Pro is an amazing piece of hardware! But the last iterations make zero difference for most consumers. The hardware improved rapidly over a couple of years. Both the 2017 model (move from 9.7 to 10.5 screen) and the 2018 model (new design without home bottom, USB-C, Gen 2 Pencil) were huge steps. Magic Keyboard from 2020 was a great addition as well and works with the 2018 model. For my own usage, the 2018 model is pretty much feature complete from a hardware perspective. Software makes the big difference now. I am still amazed by my 2018 iPad pro four years later!
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• drcongo 4y ago
  Would have bought it if it had a headphone jack. As it is, there's nothing here to get excited about over my M1 Pro.
  • hayst4ck 4y ago
    I was pretty skeptical of AirPods. Now I could never go back.
    • drcongo 4y ago
      I use my iPad for making music, the latency on AirPods or any other BT headphones makes them a non-starter. It makes me actually angry that they removed the jack from the iPad "pro", killing one of the very few actual pro uses for an iPad.
      • kaba0 4y ago
        I’m not knowledgeable on hardware/music, would an usb-c to jack converter decrease quality/increase latency? I know that it is still a bad option as you may want to charge it at the same time.. Maybe those usb-c dongles used primarily in macs? They often have jack as well, would that not be a good replacement?
        • drcongo 4y ago
          It’s a replacement, but not a good one. If you want good sound quality and the ability to charge at the same time then it’s quite a bulky dongle. The audio quality varies massively too, so if you mix / master on one and then it breaks, you have to replace it with the exact same one otherwise your next mix / master isn’t going to match the last one. And if they’ve stopped making that one, you’re screwed. All of these are problems Apple have created for pro users of the iPad Pro by removing the jack.
          • thirdsun 4y ago
            Pro users use audio interfaces. The headphone jack is useful for quick improvised sketching or listening but Apple's official dongle will be fine in those situations as well. It's actually a pretty well made DAC for its size: https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/lightning-adapter-audio-quality.htm https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/lightning-adapter-audio-qu... For any serious work you'll probably be around a decent audio interface anyway.
• r2sk5t 4y ago
  Dear Apple, Does the new iPad case have a place to store the pencil when traveling?
  • CharlesW 4y ago
    Apple will not make a case with Pencil storage, but Apple sells multiple third-party cases which do (https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPKU2ZM/A/stm-dux-plus-for-ipad-air-4th-generation https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPKU2ZM/A/stm-dux-plus-fo...), and you can find hundreds of vendors which will sell you one.
  • gumby 4y ago
    What I found best is a strap with a narrow pouch sewn into it.
• retskrad 4y ago
  Here in Scandinavia, the base iPhone 14 Pro Max, M2 MacBook Air and the new M2 iPad Pro all cost the same: $1,484. Good lord!
  • whalesalad 4y ago
    lol - they're all basically the exact same thing with a different display
    • davnicwil 4y ago
      Stepping back and reflecting on the fact this is true is very cool indeed.
    • thih9 4y ago
      In case of the MacBook and the iPad, seems like it’s more about the OS. At least that’s what most comments here are mentioning when comparing an iPad to a MacBook.
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• can16358p 4y ago
  Seriously, they should bring smart folio back. The one that doesn't have the unnecessary backside but only the side and the front cover.
  • user_7832 4y ago
    Do you have an image or link of which one this is? > Seriously, they should bring smart folio back. The one that doesn't have the unnecessary backside but only the side and the front cover.
    • Jtsummers 4y ago
      I think they mean the Smart Cover option. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ4L2ZM/A/ipad-smart-cover-charcoal-gray https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ4L2ZM/A/ipad-smart-cove... Magnetically attached to an edge, only covers the front when "closed", the back when open, or can be folded up to provide a stand.
      • user_7832 4y ago
        Thanks! It looks like it can't cover the back fully the way it covers the front, right? IE the back part is only as a stand and not for protection.
        • Jtsummers 4y ago
          Sort of correct, it only covers the front or the back (exclusive or), not both simultaneously. So when it's being used as a hand-held tablet the back will be covered, but when it's used as a stand the back is mostly uncovered, and when the front is covered the back is uncovered.
  • jbellis 4y ago
    Did they discontinue smart folio keyboard? Magic Keyboard is almost 2x as heavy.
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• helf 4y ago
  I had an iPad for a long while way back. I bought the Retina one initially. It was nice for what it was. I just can’t get excited about anything iOS as unless you have REALLY bought into the “ecosystem” it’s a clusterfuck. - File management is still a sick joke. - unless they’ve really changed something that I’m unaware of (which I’ll admit is entirely possible) with “iPadOS” vs regular iOS, multitasking is still a pathetic joke. The state saving and pausing which relegates the devices to essentially fancy task switching and not real preemptive multitasking (other than extremely specific program scenarios and services functionality) which drives me insane. Why the hell does my SSH client have to constantly ping my location to get around the “you can run 13 seconds in the background before the OS forcefully state pauses you”? Why the fuck can’t apple give a nice little “this app can run run run till it’s little heart bursts in the background!” Toggle switch you can control? People go on and on about iPhone battery life and… there’s a reason for that. - The ridiculous sandboxing between programs that’s supposedly a security feature but just makes for an insufferably inconsistent UI and terrible management of data between programs … I guess that goes with my file management complaint. I dunno. I just can’t abide a complete blackbox lockdown of my devices to the point of them being literal appliances. But apparently I’m in the minority there. Also, most people appear to just be perfectly happy rapidly task switching. And having only most of their programs paused when switched from works fine for them I guess. I will say for /consumption/ of say documents like PDFs and Comics, the iPad is fantastic. But outside of that basic usage they drive me insane. Sorry for the meandering rant. I’m waiting for food with my 8yo and bored lol
  • gnicholas 4y ago
    > File management is still a sick joke. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like every time I go to save or open something on my iPad it defaults to iCloud. I don't have a paid iCloud account and find this supremely annoying, especially because the default folder names inside iCloud are the same as in local folders. It's as if they're trying to cause people to accidentally save stuff to iCloud, to get them in the habit of using it (and then paying for it).
    • thirdsun 4y ago
      I get your point but it's a sane default for most users. They expect their stuff to magically be there after replacing their devices. They don't make any distinction between local or cloud storage and can barely handle folder structures these days.
• elzbardico 4y ago
  You need to really need to a use touchscreen and/or a pen to justify such an extravagance.
  • tshaddox 4y ago
    Or you just prefer the form factor overall to a similarly-priced MacBook. I much prefer my 12.9" iPad Pro (I have a 2nd generation one, from way back in 2017) over a comparable MacBook Air. This new iPad Pro is a tempting upgrade for me, although my 2017 device is still working fine which does make the expense difficult to justify.
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• turndown 4y ago
  Have an M1 iPad Pro 12.9 inch with the Magic Keyboard and Pencil. Obviously won’t be upgrading any time soon(like 4-5 years minimum) and pray Apple understands that users want significantly improved OS software out of the box. Everything I’ve seen marks this as a disappointing software update, especially Stage Manager.
• roody15 4y ago
  I Work IT in a institution with 290 employees and have had 5 switch to iPad Pro's to "replace" their laptop. I am now 5 for 5 with all asking for their laptop back. iPadOS is nothing more than iPhoneOS renamed and the device is still too heavily crippled for desktop/laptop replacement. In my mini test case scenario I never said a word..simply the employee asked for iPad Pro.. I just handed it to them... waited... then about 2 weeks later they asked for laptop back. Not sure what Apple's plan here is but they continue to market this to schools and workplaces as a laptop replacement but refuse to add functionality to the OS and keep it overly crippled/restricted.
  • jxdxbx 4y ago
    I don't like how Apple is making the iPad more laptop-y. My ideal is to use a normal desktop computer, and an iPad. No laptop. But if I had to pick only one of course it would be a laptop.
  • steve_adams_86 4y ago
    Kids who don’t know better might become accustomed to it and, unless they are power users or interested to become that, they might prefer to scrape by with the iPad. There is pretty strong evidence that people aren’t great at using full fledged operating systems and feel much more comfortable on a slate with a dumbed down UI
    • criddell 4y ago
      Most people aren't power users. An iPad is a great device for lots of people. It's my favorite computer to use mostly because of the excellent apps. What you call a dumbed down UI, I call streamlined. It's simple, focused, and fast.
      • steve_adams_86 4y ago
        You’re right. Ironically my “dumbed down” description was a little too dumbed down itself. I agree though, there are cases where a tablet is actually a better tool too. I suppose the problem is that they rarely present us with opportunities or necessity to dig deeper, learn more, and become adept at working with and within the operating system. I could be wrong, too. The truth is I only use an iPad once every couple of weeks for 30 to 90 minutes. My point of view here could be too limited to be accurate, and I’m totally glossing over non-Apple devices.
• chernofool 4y ago
  Too bad that Apple works so hard to strangle 3rd-party software in the cradle. A device like this would be fantastic with a full desktop environment. Many desktop apps have solid touchscreen support now, ChromeOS has demonstrated that mobile apps can be run seamlessly in a desktop window manager, and you could easily dock it to use with bluetooth mouse/keyboard. Alas, we've got to put up with a hi-res smartphone OS because that is Apple's vision for this product line.
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• asimpletune 4y ago
  The convergence between iPad and Mac is pretty brilliant. If you think about it, the iPad now has a lot of features that are much better than a top of the line Mac, like 5g and the display tech. It’s all still too new but if you read the tea leaves we are heading towards a convergence. In the future there will be a device that behaves like an iPad on its own. With an app and touch oriented experience, but when connected to a keyboard and mouse will be like a Mac today. The universal app stuff is a great indicator of them moving in that direction, even if it’s still new. One thing I don’t really understand though is how a Unix interface will work with a device that is also iPad OS. Like, if you can install stuff from online, eg through home brew, will you be able to side load apps? If that’s the case I think the app experience might suffer, but at the same time if the Unix experience has its wings clipped then what do they plan to replace it with? I mean that sincerely. I don’t think apple is so naive as to think they can make macs into iPads and not provide an alternative. Maybe they’ll offer a native package manager, one that’s even reverse compatible with brew as a starting point, and then provide an integrated notary process as part of that system for publishing recipes.
• lifeinthevoid 4y ago
  How large a piece of the chip is that 16 core Neural Engine eating? I'd rather have a more powerful CPU + GPU or am I missing the point a bit? Anyone care to shed some light?
• awelkie 4y ago
  I live pretty far from my parents, and I really want to set them up with a nice video conferencing setup so we can chat as well as in person. I started to spec out a nice setup with open-back headphones, 60 Hz 1080p camera, nice microphone, low latency screen, the works. But this would cost at least $1k, and I'm sure it would be difficult for them to operate. Plus it would be hard to use in certain situations like with children or while eating. So I've decided to get them the iPad Pro. I'm trusting Apple to focus on things like screen latency and microphone/speaker quality in their products. Plus it should be quite easy for my parents to use. It just seems to me like the iPad Pro is the best product for setting up non-tech people with a decent videoconferencing setup. Has anyone else solved this problem, or have thoughts on using an iPad for video chatting?
  • zalthor 4y ago
    I felt like the system that’s in the portal from Facebook would be the ideal vc setup for my parents (i.e. video calling on a tv). Though, there’s no way I’d want to put a camera from Facebook in my parents house. I did try Google duo (I guess it’s call meet now?) with a Google tv, but since it was with a 3rd party web cam, things like autofocus didn’t work as well as I’d like.
  • llampx 4y ago
    > nice setup with open-back headphones, 60 Hz 1080p camera, nice microphone, low latency screen, the works. Why do all these niceties go out the window when the alternative is an iPad? Based on the use case, a simple last-gen iPad should do the job just as well.
  • syntaxing 4y ago
    Second with what others said, the new standard iPad should fit your bill. It has the ultrawide camera too with people tracking which makes it even better.
  • skybrian 4y ago
    For video chat, you don't need the latest. After the camera on my MacBook stopped working, I started using a 5th gen iPad mini. I use it with a stand on the kitchen table, in landscape mode, and it's fine. Bigger isn't necessarily better. My wife has a full-size iPad and I find it awkwardly big for most purposes. But for ease of use for the technically challenged, I think something like a Nest Hub Max might be better, since it will automatically point the camera. Caveats: it's not easy to set up for someone without a cell phone (it's technically unsupported), but once you do it for them, it's easy to make a call. Also, weirdly, the video only works when they call me; if I call them it's audio only. (I ask them to call me back.)
• dekhn 4y ago
  Is anybody hooking up a keyboard and mouse to their ipad pro and using it as an interface to a remote desktop running in the cloud? If so, what software stack?
  • skazazes 4y ago
    code-server https://github.com/coder/code-server https://github.com/coder/code-server works fairly well and can be saved to the home screen as a web applet to get rid of the browser URL bar. Their are a few UI issues related to touch but it has served well enough for some light work. You can also use a remote apps like Rainway/TeamViewer/RDP/VNC somewhat successfully to get a more full desktop experience. Unfortunately they all seem to have their own input caveats that take some getting used to. I am personally waiting for Parsec to release native iPadOS and tvOS clients as it provides the best experience I have found. It seems like the gaming oriented remote desktop apps (Rainway https://rainway.com/ https://rainway.com/, Parsec https://parsec.app/ https://parsec.app/) are the best though as the latency on the more traditional ones is somewhat of a hindrance. USB/Bluetooth keyboard and mouse support tends to work okay, but the simulated touch mouse makes getting used to things tough. If you have not tried using iPad OS with a mouse I suggest you look into before making a purchase as it is a fairly limiting experience.
    • dekhn 4y ago
      Thanks. I wodner if you could tether an ipad and raspberry pi running Code (which isn't really RDP, but a web app that includes a shell) in a fairly self-contained way.
      • skazazes 4y ago
        There are plenty of SSH clients that run on the iPad and code-server works as a fully featured IDE
• simonebrunozzi 4y ago
  I was waiting for a Macbook Pro M2 2022 announcement... :(
• fmajid 4y ago
  It has IEEE 802.11ax WiFi6E, first Apple device with it, apparently. Even the M2 MacBook Air and the Mac Studio don't have it. Edit: only dual-band. no 6GHz? WTF, Apple? Definitely skipping this generation, then.
• adrusi 4y ago
  With iPhone video hardware, ProRes support, and a thunderbolt interface that makes 4k ProRes actually practical to get off the device, the iPad Pro is now likely to be the best video recording device for certain creative niches. You can even edit the video on the same device that captured it in a pinch.
• bwanab 4y ago
  Maybe it's my bias as a musician, but as long as Apple doesn't put Logic on the iPad, it's just not a system that works as a piece of professional kit.
  • codq 4y ago
    No Logic on iPad and the sunsetting of Music Memos... I sometimes feel like Apple is becoming hostile to musicians.
  • CharlesW 4y ago
    As you know (but others may not), the idea is that you get as far as you can get in GarageBand, then move the project to Logic¹. There's also a way to export a "to go" mix from Logic for GarageBand². You can get surprisingly far with just GarageBand³. ¹ https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/garageband-projects-lgcpa8854ca7/ https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/garageband-projects... ² https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/share-a-project-to-garageband-for-ios-lgcpa81aa804/10.7.3/mac/11.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/logicpro/share-a-project-to-... ³ https://www.melodynest.com/hit-songs-produced-on-garageband/ https://www.melodynest.com/hit-songs-produced-on-garageband/
• stewx 4y ago
  > the 16-core Neural Engine can process 15.8 trillion operations per second — 40 percent more than M1 — making iPad Pro even more powerful when handling machine learning tasks Do people actually use the iPad for machine learning?
  • edude03 4y ago
    Yeah actually, it's really good for inference at the edge. You might be thinking of training though which I doubt anyone does
• balderdash 4y ago
  If you only use communication tools, web based apps, Word, and only need to be able to open/tweak an excel or PowerPoint doc, then yeah they’re awesome, anything more and you need a laptop.
• thepasswordis 4y ago
  It is hilarious to me that apple keeps adding accessories to the iPad to make it look more and more like a laptop. The iPad is a very bad laptop, but is a great tablet.
• Insanity 4y ago
  I have seen some discussions on this post about the use of iPad Pro as a device for actual work, so I will chime in with my experience. First of, I love the iPad Pro and have been using it for about a year almost daily. I use it for leisure as well as actual work. I am currently writing a technical book, and I decided to do it all on my iPad. I hook up my external keyboard and the Mx Master mouse is paired to both my MacBook and iPad, so I can easily switch. I initially thought that I would not really like it, but ended up using it as my preferred to device for such work. I can easily sketch things in GoodNotes, and writing with the pen helps me think. I use Termius to ssh into my development machine when I need to write some code, and I use Word to write the text content. I also use the GitHub app although that doesn’t work perfectly so I use the web version as well. I hardly ever use split screen, so each app is essentially in distraction_free mode. I also notice that I get side tracked way less (no slack, email, or other distractions which I check often on my MacBook). Plus when travelling I only take my iPad now, I worked from airports and hotels only on this device. I was definitely sceptical about it, but ended up loving it. It actually made me reconsider buying a new macbook, and at this point I would rather upgrade my iPad than buy the new MacBook anyway. (It is also a great leisure device, depending on what you do. I have Netflix and YouTube on here, and I occasionally draw a bit). In my day job, I am an engineering manager and it take notes on the iPad as well. Would I switch to the iPad for full Time development? No, probably not. But I do use it for my side projects, and for something like advent of code it is good enough as well.
• 0xCMP 4y ago
  I used to be a die-hard iPad-for-coding user, but with the advent of the M1 MBAs I couldn't justify it anymore. The thing that broke me was that if I wanted a remote development env (because at the end of the day you can't do development on an iPad without some remote computer running stuff for you) at the time you needed to a) provision on via safari manually b) have some kind of script or something on the iPad capable of doing that for you c) have a cheap/low-power computer always running to run the scripts. [This is assuming you don't have a remote computer already you can turn on. E.g. "only iPad + on-demand cloud resources"] I eventually concluded the M1 MBA is a better option because of how heavy an iPad Pro 12" + Magic KB Case is in comparison. I still *love* my iPad Pro. The screen is almost a good enough reason to use it. Also it had LTE which was very useful. I still think it's possible to make the iPad do everything I wanted the M1 MBA to do without significantly changing how Apps are developed or restrictions on iPadOS (and apps like ShellFish, WorkingCopy, and Blink Shell are really my go-to examples of how that could have existed all this time), but while possible today it's just much higher friction and cost to use an iPad to do the same thing an entry-level M1 MBA could do.
  • powersurge360 4y ago
    Is this using an iPad for coding or is this using an iPad as a dumb terminal and using something else for development? At the end of the day, that’s what makes an iPad unappealing for me as a development machine. If I am going to pay for an iPad and then rent an affordable VPS just to dev on then why not just buy a computer I can develop on locally right away? Sure, LTE is cool but it probably is more cost effective to go the other way and pay for a hotspot plan for your phone and tether your computer that way. That being said, I do occasionally feel cool doing dev on my laptop remotely from my iPad using a combination of tailscale, tethering from my phone and using iSH to ssh into an emacs session.
• sdze 4y ago
  Still no torrent app possible = no buy. Hopefully the EU breaks Apples‘ App Store Monopoly.
• jbverschoor 4y ago
  Still no NFC?
  • h4waii 4y ago
    This isn't surprising, but it's unfortunate -- Apple still hasn't even opened up CoreNFC on the Watch. I have a custom app for my business which uses NFC, and it's a bummer that iPads, and just about no modern Android tablets have NFC, so while I'd love to use a tablet to do certain tasks, I can't.
  • kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    What’s your use case? I’m imagining people holding a 12in iPad by a door keypad or Apple Pay terminal fumbling around trying to find where the sensor is (I’m not being very creative with this I realize)
    • raxxorraxor 4y ago
      Our coffee machine isn't free anymore because of extensive usage, but we can pay with any NFC ID we register. My primary use case for an iPad is as a coffee coaster too, perfect synergy.
• boppo1 4y ago
  Illustrator here. Very frustrating that hover cursor is new-device only. Here I was hoping for an apple pencil V3. I figured it would be a $200 upgrade, not sell-current-device + $1200. I've got a top of the line 2020 (all specs max) and it seems to have lost about half of its value going by ebay prices.
• nkristoffersen 4y ago
  Best feature not really mentioned is Sidecar! Having a second high quality screen has been a game changer. So portable and so powerful. I will be upgrading my 2018 12.9 iPad Pro to the latest. Mostly for the better screen to match my M1 Max.
• faeriechangling 4y ago
  Pretty boring announcement, biggest things is that Apple finally has stock of Broadcom 6E radios so you can expect those going forwards, and that ad expected Apple couldn’t manage to get over 600nits on their small screen device.
• intrasight 4y ago
  Imaging what a great product we would have if Apple ditched the Mac and put all that hardware and software effort towards a unified touchscreen convertible tablet.
• hartator 4y ago
  Can this actually replace a MacBook for a backend engineer workflow?
  • crims0n 4y ago
    No - but it's closer than ever, yet still probably years away.
  • kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    github.dev works fine on an iPad - you could integrate with their new codespaces service to run dev servers for web projects. So it easy available fancy remote terminal. If you’re traveling with just your iPad, this is a nice secure option where you don’t need to have clones of repos locally or any keys saved locally to your device.
• knolan 4y ago
  I’m probably going to get the 12.9” model. I’m a lecturer and it’ll be very useful for my teaching. Not so much for research where I’m working with stuff like Matlab and OpenFOAM and specialist Windows software for laboratory instruments. Currently I use my Mac and occasionally sidecar with an old 10.5” iPad Pro so I can annotate my mirrored slides while I go. It works but is awkward. When using a projector over HDMI it’s energy intensive so I need to bring along my Mac’s power brick. Often the display scaling from connecting to the room projector will offset my pencil position, the order you connect stuff seems to matter. I teach a combination of slides and Jupyter notebooks so I need to verify that everything works as expected. I could try to use a lightning to HDMI adapter and leave the Mac in my office, but I’m also interested in the LiDAR scanner for some research activities. I also find the iPad great for bringing along to meetings and labs where you want to sketch stuff out, you can email the result to a student after. I find it a useful tool for class prep also. So it’s not a replacement for my laptop, but it’ll help me with a significant part of my day to day activities.
  • dubya 4y ago
    The iPad with pencil is really useful for marking up student papers. I bought one during Covid when everything was being turned in online, but some students still prefer to turn in scans rather than paper. The downside is that Apple doesn't support user accounts, so I won't use anything that everyone in my family shouldn't have access to. Grading only works because it's easy to log out of Canvas. A lot of the nifty features require you to be logged in with your Apple ID, and I'm just not buying an iPad for every family member who might like to use it sometimes.
    • knolan 4y ago
      I tend to pass my old devices down. My partner has my ancient ‘iPad Air 2’which ddg tells me has an A8X and it is working perfectly for her needs.
• runjake 4y ago
  Lots of iPad hate in the comments. But remember, if nobody wanted them, they wouldn't keep selling as well as they are. If you have no interest in an iPad, don't buy one. For me, it's not going to replace my general purpose computers any time soon, but its great for reading or carrying around while on the go for short bursts of work (SSH/Mosh with Blink app, RDP with Microsoft Remote Desktop, VNC with Screens, etc).
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• otikik 4y ago
  > delivering the ultimate combination of portability, versatility, and unbelievable performance Not with that OS
• barbariangrunge 4y ago
  I remember I used to read a lot on my tablet before I started using anki to take notes as I went. I miss it, the screens and then light weight are very easy on the eyes and hands. Reading on a laptop isn’t nearly as nice, but you can’t beat the keyboard
• rektide 4y ago
  Thunderbolt!! As usual I'm envious of this hardware, & wish the rest of us who aren't ok in Apple's tight walled garden had options half as good. The M2 is a great chip. Yeah, sure, way better than anything else & ridiculously great for a tablet: yes. The display is amazing, as usual. What is new & exciting to me here is Thunderbolt. For so long, "mobile" devices have not had any of the perks of modern computing when it comes to connectivity. Being able to connect to other devices via a modern high speed cable is a kick ass feature that enables all kinds of advanced uses. With things like Steam Deck, I'm hoping we see a little less strict siloing & see mobile devices start to get competitive in interesting ways. It's a fantastic device: for $400 it blows almost every phone out of the water in almost every conceivable way, wipes the floor & makes mock of what we get. We should have higher expectations, see more cross-market products, but we've been locked into very tight market segments for a long time. One other category busting device I'd cite- really interesting- is the Lenovo Legion Phone, an ultra-serious gaming phone from 2021, which has dual batteries, cooling fans, a 144Hz OLED screen & tip top specs, but most genre-busting of all: a phone with two USB-C ports. Do it. Make your phone a connectable device! Go next level! I'd love to see a betting pool on what quarter we first see a phone with USB4. Anyone here wanna bet on anytime in 2023? Personally I still think anytime in 2024 is only like 60/40 odds yes. There's little impetus to try, to do better, to make, even though it's so near. Even though the chipspace is tiny. Even though the IP isn't that costly. There's no perceived market, and that belief keeps the market for advancement from occurring. I love thunderbolt here. The irony is that Apple is one of the most closed ecosystems with the least potential by far to make use of the wide range of nearly-anythings someone could plug in via thunderbolt. Ideally Steam Decks and phones should all be able to make fine use of eGPUs, NICs/infiniband/whatever adapters. They should all support CXL too, but we'll see this, like all the other good stuff, segmented off to servers for 5 years, then desktops for 5 years, before finally it becomes clear & obvious consumers would have great benefit & that it's simpler, more powerful, more flexible to use the good high power specs for these mobile consumer devices too, & we've been shorting ourselves this whole time for no real good reason.
• mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Question from a gen 1 iPad Pro user (first USB-C iPad): Is the usb>hdmi output still a disaster? I noticed a huge downgrade in compatibility from my previous ipads doing presentations with the lightning port. I even diagnosed an issue where the iPad pro would not output to HDMI using Apple’s official dongle if the HDMI cable was longer than 25 ft. Ha (iphone/lightning adapter worked fine in the same setup).
• bootsup 4y ago
  I'm a student, about to graduate from a BSN nursing program that's online except clinicals. I went from using a Dell laptop to using a Pinebook Pro to mostly using an iPad Air (4th gen) for everything, without making an Apple account (so no installing apps). The iPad is managed by my uni, who installed the Canvas LMS app. I can read pdfs in the Files app, submit papers written in the Word app, attend class with the Zoom ap. Most of work happens in Safari: watching videos, taking exams, etc. I'm a heavy terminal user, so use a GateOne gateway for ssh access in the browser, allowing me to do most serious work on my user's account on a NetBSD server, working in vim, mutt, sc (spreadsheet), manipulating text with awk, browsing with lynx, managing my website, etc. A good dock is important. I use the Pinebook Pro usb-c dock with a scroll-wheel 3-button Dell mouse and Model M buckling-spring keyboard. A recent update let bluetooth keep sending music to my stereo when docked. Keyboard shortcuts (like ctrl-a and ctrl-e for moving around the lines of a textfile) are a big part of my workflow. The docked peripherals allow more functionality than the Smart Keyboard folio. I don't like touch screens. When I graduate, I'll probably fall back to something I like better (my little GPD or old ThinkPad X61), but for school the iPad + folio keyboard + dock + shell account is better than any other single device I have tried.
• stevefan1999 4y ago
  Desktop app and I still see no Logic Pro X on the go. Disappointing
• joeman1000 4y ago
  Going on from all of the comments here about the iPad not being able to replace a computer: it’s true. The I/O is not as good and the OS is lacking in terms of being able to do ‘what I want’ with it. It’s just not a computer. It’s a big phone. With that out of the way, I think it still kicks arse. I grab it when: + I just want to watch something (yt, streaming) + I want to play some music (great speakers) + I want to use a computer in a dangerous place (bath, kitchen bench) + I don’t want to lug my laptop around + I just want to sketch something + Want to read/markup a pdf + read a long article on the couch + play a game on the bus (Papers Please) It’s great for these quick sessions. It’s more of a ‘life’ computer, where I don’t have to worry so much about it and it sort of ‘gets out of the way’. It definitely compliments my laptop but cannot ever replace it.
  • thirdsun 4y ago
    I really love the versatility of my iPad as well but this single use case you mentioned I can't understand: > + I want to play some music (great speakers) Yes, the speakers are fine for their size and certainly good enough to listen to a podcast or talk-heavy Youtube video but I couldn't imagine listening to any music on it. Any budget bluetooth speaker for less than 100 bucks or headphones will sound much, much better.
    • joeman1000 4y ago
      They’re good enough to just play some music if I’m sitting in the bath or can’t be bothered with a Bluetooth speaker.
• seydor 4y ago
  meta invests in vr goggles, apple invests in high definition. none of them invests to replace the keyboard with someting better , not worse. Computers are not useful without communication, and the slow human-computer bandwidth is the real bottleneck for these devices. Keyboards (and mice) are still better after 4 decades . Meta's wrist device might be the revolution we need
• mensetmanusman 4y ago
  I want to try the M2 on the iPad for stable diffusion photo editing. Who will make that app first?