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Anti-work subreddit goes private after rough Fox News interview
- barbacoa 5y agoLink to interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc
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- anonygler 5y agoOh my god stop that person from wobbling in their chair.
- alexb_ 5y agoWorth mentioning that they have autism, which is why they aren't making eye contact and are rocking in their chair. Although that is probably a better reason to not be on the show at all if you are trying to present yourself as a large-scale movement to millions of viewers.
- anonygler 5y agoIt’s a zoom call. Autistic people are capable of basic discipline. They’re clearly not medically disabled.
- alexb_ 5y agoLook, I'm not trying to defend her. But do you think that autism goes away when it's a zoom call or something? I think that it's a perfectly fine explanation for no eye contact/rocking, as both are common symptoms of autism. Think it's a bit rash to immediately assume they are "clearly not medically disabled".
- anonygler 5y agoIn the past people would hold themselves to a high standard and celebrate triumph over adversity. Today people are fetishizing this “neurodivergent” psychosis and it’s downright weird. This person could absolutely sit still if they every bothered to have priorities in their life. I refuse to respect this weird trend.
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- Gigachad 5y agoCould they have sat still? Probably. Were they self aware enough to even realise what they are doing is embarrassing? Almost certainly not.
- alexb_ 5y agoI understand your concern. Two things to note though: 1. Who are you to immediately assume that they are lying, as if that's the best explanation? Not every single person who has autism has the ability to completely repress everything about it. To assume otherwise is nothing short of ableism - and I'm not using that word lightly. I absolutely do get the concern though - words DO need meaning. 2. You say "Today people are fetishizing this neurodivergent psychosis" as if this is a recent trend. It's not. At all. Tuberculosis was a disease that was romanticized in the early 19th century, and the obsession with thin & pale bodies in culture is theorized to have originated from this. I'm not gonna claim to be an expert to this however, so if someone reading this knows more about this subject than I do then please chime in.
- nsotelo 5y agoThe point remains, maybe as an autistic person they don't like eye contact or sitting still but that's where discipline comes into it.
- soared 5y agoI don’t think it’s okay to make a medical diagnosis about someone based on a 5 minute video. The mod of the sub said they have autism, so that is not what the person you’re replying to did.
- dorkwood 5y agoI've seen "no eye contact" mentioned a few times. I think this can be explained by the fact that this person either didn't realize, or wasn't told, that they need to stare directly into their webcam for a television interview.
- estaseuropano 5y agoShe is aware of her issue and could have chosen to manage it. For instance if she knows she tends to have such coping behaviours she could use a fixed chair and a better camera angle. Or she could have refused the interview altogether as she clearly had no message or insight to pass there was no reason to go on air. Failing at an action you chose to engage in and then to excuse it by supposed psychological issues is not really what any half-decent person does. Going out on a limb: Any mildly autistic person aware of their issues takes action to avoid such painful situations. So I would also doubt there is an actual diagnosis and she is just looking for an excuse to not feel/be made responsible for the harm she caused this entire movement.
- xenadu02 5y agoNever talk to the media. That goes double for right-wing media. They aren't your friends, all they care about is pushing their narrative. They will steam-roll you and ruin your life for ratings / views.
- xqcgrek2 5y agoThe host was quite respectful and only asked reasonable questions.
- mgh2 5y agoTbh, the reporter seemed "professionally respectful" but was actually sarcastic all the way through
- joecot 5y agoWhen your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt them. If the mod had coherent sensible arguments, I'm sure the host would've done the usual Fox News tactics of talking over them, misstating their points, etc. But he didn't need to. All he had to do was reel out enough rope for her to make a noose.
- lordloki 5y agoYou're building a strawman.
- oversocialized 5y agoLets not pretend CNN would have been any better to a right leaning guest.
- chris11 5y agoWatters is not a reasonable journalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Watters#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Watters#Controversies.
- throwaway_4ever 5y ago
- supperburg 5y agoShe said she would like to teach critical thinking. How unbelievably rich. The host made the excellent point that in this market, the hardest you will work is determined by how hard people in general are willing to work. The market decides how hard you are expected to work, not your boss or the Illuminati. It’s the same something-for-nothing logic-vacuum that led to communism and the massive corruption that followed.
- yabbutz88 5y agoYou sure about that? https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/01/16/377614477/tech-giants-will-pay-415-million-to-settle-employees-lawsuit https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/01/16/37... It’s not the Illuminati, it’s that no one looks. Bosses have a way of deflating wages by demanding more hours and effort, too. The market is like a programming design pattern; kind of a hand wavy concept to fuel discourse. It’s still easily corrupted biology in charge. Repeating the same old semantics is keeping you from seeing the corruption already there.
- NotACop182 5y agoAmazon warehouse algorithm disagrees with your assessment.
- ActorNightly 5y agoIt still falls under the general free market principles. Distribution runs on a very thin profit margin, and if it wasn't Amazon in the lead, it would be Walmart, or others.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago>The market decides how hard you are expected to work That's like saying house prices in San Francisco are set by how much people are willing to pay. It's true but hides the real problem which is housing is unaffordable for many in that area.
- wiseowise 5y ago
- mdni007 5y agoThat interview was extremely hard to watch. Didn't expect much from a Reddit mod but that was just brutal.
- Datenstrom 5y agoThe personal attacks and especially acting like dog walking is some lowly profession is just disgusting. Anyone doing anything "ambitious" is only being held up by the support of many others making just as meaningful contributions. A dog walker provides a great service to a community that impacts many peoples lives by keeping their companions, which provide emotional support and boost their productivity, healthy and happy. IMHO this is exactly the toxic attitude causing the movement.
- robot_no_419 5y agoIf everyone worked 25 hours a week, dog walking would not even exist as a job. Literally anyone can do it as long as they can walk. Let's not pretend it's a noble contribution to society here, it's objectively speaking something a 15 year old teenager can do.
- joecot 5y agoIt's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less. And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She was unprepared, wouldn't look at the camera, showed up disheveled, and didn't even make her bed before the interview. Multiple times the mods had polled the community about who should give interviews, and the response was overwhelmingly that no one should. The mods thought they knew better, and this was the result. Essentially the issue here is that the subreddit started years ago not as a discussion of worker rights reforms, but of people wanting to figure out how to work as little as possible, period. The meaning was literally on the tin. As the pandemic wore on redditors joined the sub to complain about their jobs, their burnout, and advocate for worker rights and reforms. But a look at the sub's about section or the sub's mods made it clear those posts weren't what the sub was originally about. And all it took was an interview with the longest standing mod to make that clear. Now the sub is private, and /r/WorkReform will hopefully actually stand for something. 1. https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg
- datavirtue 5y agoMovement? It's a reddit. My favorite reddit, and the only reason I go to Reddit anymore. That is the problem and that's why the fear level of the elites (about unionization) is elevated enough to start running hatchet jobs on a forum.
- ddtaylor 5y ago> It's a reddit. My favorite reddit, and the only reason I go to Reddit anymore. I have never been to that subreddit, what's the regular content about?
- renewiltord 5y agoSecond oldest topic: complaining about work
- wiseowise 5y agoWhat's the first one? Politics?
- throwaway_4ever 5y ago
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- mtmail 5y agoSimilar to https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/assholetax/ https://www.reddit.com/r/assholetax/ but where workers complain about their employers, managers, human resources department, toxic workplaces, unions, minimum wage or holiday regulations. First person stories where a worker quit on the spot or otherwise "sticked it to the man" were popular.
- llampx 5y ago
- perryizgr8 5y agoThis is one of those times when it gets really hard to separate satire from reality.
- eurasiantiger 5y agoDo not be fooled, we are being controlled.
- zozbot234 5y agoNew subreddit r/LyingFlat starting in 3, 2, 1...
- udbhavs 5y agor/WorkReform is supposedly the replacement for the faction that wasn't "anti-work" but pro-better work conditions that felt misrepresented in the interview.
- cuteboy19 5y agoFactionalism is endemic to left wing movements. There are already 3 different splinter subs for workreform
- rdtsc 5y agoIn general, I find it is much harder to maintain group focus and cohesion when the movement is defined as anti- something right off the bat. It works for short term causes, but not easy sustain long term. It starts with negativity, it then attracts more as it goes along. The angriest, most radical ones are promoted to become leaders. Soon the negativity spills into internal fights - “ you are not angry enough, not one of us, we’re banning you!” etc.
- alexb_ 5y agoThe entire thing was a disaster, start to finish. If you're going on Fox News, at least clean your room, put on something other than a sweatshirt, and come PREPARED. You have to know that Fox is going to ask you horribly loaded questions that aim to make you seem like the biggest fool on earth. But the funny part is, they didn't even do that. The questions asked pretty much amounted to "What are your aspirations?" and "What do you do for a living?" And when the answers to that are "I want to teach Philosophy" and "I sleep on the job that I work 20 hours a week while I punish dogs by refusing them water"[1] then maybe you shouldn't be speaking like what you are doing is too much work. She could have mentioned the growing wealth inequality, the need for unions, the causes behind the "great resignation", the shifting attitudes of not taking bullshit, but instead she had to say how "Laziness is a virtue!" as if anybody ever is going to agree with that. I would say it's a strawman of the typical reddit moderator (who does it for free, by the way), but if a strawman is made of flesh and blood, is it really a strawman anymore? Who were the mods at /r/antiwork kidding. I guess this is the egotistical delusion that happens when your head mod is a self admitted rapist.[2] [1]https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg [2]https://i.redd.it/9zbv77ga04e81.png https://i.redd.it/9zbv77ga04e81.png
- soared 5y ago[2] doesn’t seem to support your claim?
- alexb_ 5y agoHow so? Masturbating next to someone after they specifically told them it made them uncomfortable, inappropriate touching, and purposefully turning off alarms specifically set to stop this from happening again out of "desperation for emotional intamacy". Then going to talk about it as if it wasn't her fault and it's actually okay now because she went to therapy except she didn't because it's too expensive but it's actually okay because she gave money to an organization.... Call it like it is. It's insanely rapey. I have no remorse for people who do things like this, and then try to play the victim.
- anothernewdude 5y agoDoesn't matter. Fox News selected this guy for a reason.
- NoPicklez 5y agoThe part that Fox hit the nail on the head was asking them what they really wanted to do in life. They responded saying to teach Philosophy, now all jokes aside, what's stopping this person from going after that? This movement that this person supports isn't going to get them to where they want to be in life, or atleast have a go. Like all things people have their own interpretation of what "anti-work" is. For me it's centered around making sure that people aren't working crazy hours at the expense of enjoying the life we live. I'm thinking the Amazon workers who seem to be getting treated terribly. Or its people that work extremely long hours and get paid a very average wage. Or its people burnt out from having worked very hard in their careers. It's the burnout work culture. Unfortunately in this case, the viewpoint that was taken by the media and certainly communicated by the mod was around simply doing the least amount of work possible. For some people this is okay, but I wouldn't be encouraging it to live a fulfilled life. If this person had said, I work x number of hours a week dog walking so I can follow my passion of x, then that's completely fine.
- raxxorrax 5y agoOff-topic: Amazon or in general delivery workers are a case where the IT industry heavily failed to improve work or be a positive influence. Instead of providing people with information, they are put under heavy surveillance. This is the only application a lot of the older generation can think of when the topic of digitisation comes up, but it is not restricted to that. The consequence is an inhumanly clocked working schedule for people in that field. But consumers support it too. The ability to not track a package results in a moderate life crisis. A benign benefit that has severe results on the job. No wonder nobody wants to do deliveries anymore. This phenomenon does extend to other industries like any production. Surveillance of production is sensible, surveillance of people is not and I don't think there is any benefit to it and a lot of negatives. In that regard I understand why people just don't want to work in such an environment. It doesn't even net increased productivity.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago> If this person had said, I work x number of hours a week dog walking so I can follow my passion of x, then that's completely fine. What if one can follow their passion of x without walking the dog? Would that then not be fine with you anymore?
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- lloydatkinson 5y agoThe working theory is the mods, including this one, were paid off to be a total disaster to try prevent the movement gaining further traction. Everyone in the subreddit voted no to a media appearance. That mod decided otherwise with a second interview with another mod not yet aired.
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- computershit 5y agoThere was no vote in the sub, that was on r/wallstreetbets earlier this year. That's actually how this should have been handled, but instead it was all mod-driven.
- hogrider 5y agoI have no problem believing this but then again it could also totally happen organically bc reddit mods are the biggest assholes on earth, over reaching constantly, totally arbitrary.
- lloydatkinson 5y agoYeah there is that too - some of the most dysfunctional human beings I’ve ever encountered.
- Graffur 5y agoAs usual with stories like this, everyone taking part comes across badly. Fox, the interviewer and the Reddit mod. The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies. Should peoples lives be hard just so we can make other rich people richer? So they can live in giant houses, by the sea? So they can own multiple vehicles and fly first class everywhere? So they can play golf at fancy clubs when they want? Why should a worker for a massive e-commerce company not be able to use the toilet? Just so the CEO can go to space as a hobby? FFS.
- krapp 5y ago>The anti-work movement is goodin the sense that it is waking people up to spending all their lives working for terrible bosses and companies. It didn't wake anyone up to anything - everyone except perhaps the entitled rich has been perfectly aware of this ever since the days of the Industrial Revolution. Go watch Metropolis, made in 1927, where the plight of the working class is illustrated as oppressed factory workers literally being thrown into the furnace mouth of Moloch. People don't put up with work because they're blind to its nature, they put up with work because they have no alternative in a purely capitalist system in which survival can only be rented by the labor class, not owned. But what is the anti-work movement's answer to this? Just don't work? That's not feasible for most people.
- Graffur 5y agoPeople are generally told.. go to school, pass exams, go to college, pass exams, get a job, buy a house, etc. I surmise that the anti-work movement has pulled people out of that way of life. It's not just about not working. It's about entrepreneurship, working for better companies, smaller companies/startups. It's about not getting so far in debt that you're a slave to a megacorp because you need to pay it off. It's about not over working and burning out.
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- jmrm 5y ago- For those outside of the loop, a couple time-ordered points not mentioned here: Fox contacted to the mods and asked specifically to talk with this person, and the mods accepted this instead of other due to having some experience in other media. All of this without asking the users if they agree with that. The Fox interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMIFYBMnc After the Fox interview happened, practically the whole subreddit were upset and disappointed. People asked why this happened in this way, why they didn't prepare a lot more this kind of event, and practically they got an "it is what it is", with a bit of authoritarian smell because the mods took this personally. People really get even more mad about this, created other subreddits, and created threads in r/antiwork saying things like "mods are mods, not leaders or content creators, and they shouldn't influence the whole sub" and like like "we need new mods". Mods took that personally, banned a lot of people, removed a lot of comments, more people were mad about this, and even attacked personally the person who spoke in Fox, until they had to close the sub. - Sources: https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/sdesxw/megathread_rantiwork_goes_private_after_fox_news/ https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/sdesxw/mega... https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/sdjc4b/the_newest_most_popular_reddit_sub_rantiwork/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/sdjc4b/the... - What I think we should learn about this: Fox wanted to interview a specific mod because they knew that using a person who probably would give a bad public image they can show a bad image of the sub. And not only Fox, but every media who have a opposite idea or ideology to yours. Mods weren't clever enough to ask the people if they wanted or not to be in Fox, who should be the spokesperson, and what thing they wanted defend, report, or ask for. They also needed to make to the spokesperson a guide about what appearance (not only physical) give and what subjects needs to talk. The spokesperson never should talk about their personal life. That person is representing a group of people, not only one. You can stop individual people, but not a common idea. This is gonna be used for ever to teach people what not to do in an interview for a lot of time.
- HWR_14 5y ago> Mods weren't clever enough to ask the people if they wanted or not to be in Fox, who should be the spokesperson, They did ask the subreddit. It voted that no one should go on Fox.
- was_a_dev 5y agoThe biggest issue anti-work has, is it's name. At it's core (the defensible part) anti-work is an American labour/union movement, reacting to the exploitation of workers due to flimsy labour law (think Amazon workers). But the term anti-work is so emotive against the movement, that is just becomes indefensible. So much that the subreddit itself is no longer a single issue movement.
- hogrider 5y agoIt was by all the people that hated work at its core and reject the traditional values regarding work, the protestant / puritanical work ethic above all. I agree it changed to that later but really they should have gone with anlther name by then.
- mrkentutbabi 5y agoI can’t believe society has a lot of losers like this. It checks every losers boxes out there. Meme comes to life.
- tsol 5y agoIt's cringe and all but I'm more than anything surprised at how much people care about a throwaway 2 minute segment they filmed so viewers have something to laugh about during the commercials. Fox News really has mastered creating news segments that get people riled up
- hogrider 5y agoWhy are reddit mods always like this? They power tripped so hard they'd rather destroy this forum than be embarrassed by it. What causes someone to get delusions of grandeur just because they are doing this unpaid job for reddit which should be limited to just delwting all the nastiness in the forum?