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I love what this nurse is doing. I apologize in advance for this rant, but we're almost TWO YEARS into this thing and I have no more sympathy for the self-title

• 1123581321 5y ago
  This nurse is taking quite a different approach from yours. These photos are empathic and respectful and takes humans as they are, while still getting the message across. I don’t think your mindset would lead to the same quality of journalism.
  • KennyBlanken 5y ago
    • 1123581321 5y ago
      Sure, that’s all fine. It just didn’t make sense to me that you started by saying you loved the photojournalism. I see now that you didn’t care about what the journalist was doing, just some of what was being portrayed as a come-uppance. It’s okay. Edit: sorry, I thought you were the other person. Disregard. I’m not sure why you wrote any of that.
      • jancsika 5y ago
        > Sure, that’s all fine. Really? Seeing anti-vaxxers as sub-human is fine? Even the Bush admin opted to argue that certain types of torture aren't really torture rather than go down the rabbit-hole of claiming that certain people aren't really human. If one's position is to the right of Cheney and gang, one's ethics have definitely taken a wrong turn.
        • 1123581321 5y ago
          I’m really getting it from both sides today. :)
        • KennyBlanken 5y ago
          Nobody is advocating for torture. The only "torturing" these people are being subjected to is self-inflicted. They saw Massachusetts residents as sub-human during the early surge. They cackled with glee that the "libtards" were dying. Their golden boy and his family purposefully diverted shipments of PPE and medical supplies away from northeast states that were hardest hit. Where was your concern then, as my fellow residents died from a disease we had little understanding of and no vaccine for? Shoe's on the other foot, we now have a vacccine which means these hospitalizations are 99% preventable, and suddenly we're expected to have compassion? Fuck that noise. Try concerning yourself slightly more about the physical and mental welfare of people providing medical services....than the patients who are resisting treatment to the point of physical assault. Who were begged, cajoled, and even bribed to take a fucking vaccine but said no. People who saw their god-emperor get a booster shot and still couldn't handle reality.
• martythemaniak 5y ago
  Yes, this needs to be said. What the unvaccinated are doing right now is conducing a DDOS attack on the whole medical system. This is going to cost them dearly, but everybody else will also pay a steep price. Is it really your freedom, if other people have to pay for it with their lives?
  • kdom13 5y ago
    Should we be similarly condemning speeders, drunk drivers, obese people, etc., for hogging up hospital beds as a result of their reckless behavior?
    • Der_Einzige 5y ago
      Already two one word responses of "yes". I have to also echo the "yes" comments given here. Yes, obese people do deserve stigma/condemnation as their condition is not victimless.
    • belltaco 5y ago
      >speeders, drunk drivers Unsafe and drunk drivers are quite condemned. Obese people don't normally make hospital beds unavailable. If there was a safe, easy to take and effective vaccine against obesity, but they refused to take it, they would be condemned much more. Plus none of them can infect others with their affliction.
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      • johnisgood 5y ago
        > If there was a safe, easy to take and effective vaccine against obesity, but they refused to take it, they would be condemned much more. Seriously? What about the good ol' "eat less" (excluding the rare cases where it is related to metabolism disorders)?
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• yosito 5y ago
  Triple vaxxed, here to play the devil's advocate. Stories like these are not to please you, or to recognize the person. But telling them is important for unvaccinated people to see. I'm really hoping that my unvaccinated family members see this kind of story from someone they follow and trust before it's too late for them.
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• vondur 5y ago
  I thought vaccinated or unvaccinated you can still infect others? Mainly it’s vaccinating yourself to have a less severe outcome if you do become infected is what I’ve been seeing be told.
  • adventured 5y ago
    That's correct, you can infect other people if you're vaccinated, and you can still get infected even if you're triple vaccinated. Break-through cases are very common, as witnessed in highly vaccinated nations that are still struggling with huge outbreaks. Your conclusion is essentially the right one, the leading vaccines (particularly the mRNA vaccines) can dramatically lower the risk of a bad outcome if you catch SARS2. They do not stop the spead of the virus and do not ensure you won't catch it.
    • jjeaff 5y ago
      Why does everyone seem so obstinately binary on this topic? They slow the spread. They make you less likely to get infected and to spread it. Few things in medicine are 100%. This is nothing new. And even a small reduction in the ability of a vaccinated person to spread the virus makes a huge difference. In fact, it could likely make enough difference to bring the R0 of COVID below R1.
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  • simonh 5y ago
    The vaccines don’t stop you getting it, but: 1. They reduce the chances you will get it because they increase the chances your system will fight it off before it gets established. 2. They reduce the time during which you are infectious, and the amount of the virus in your system that you output during that time. As a result they decreases the chances of you infecting others. The reduction for the original variants was very significant. Vaccinated people were very unlikely to infect anyone else prior to Delta. With Delta the benefits were significantly reduced. With Omicron the benefits in infectiousness are again much reduced. So for most of the last year the vaccines were a vital tool in reducing the spread of the virus as well as protecting the vaccinated. Now Omicron is so infectious the effect is much lower. Of course the vaccines do still seem to be real life savers against Omicron, and avoiding getting sick yourself still protects others by reducing the load on the health care system.
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• VLM 5y ago
  Its just a new religion, and the believers in it violently aggressively hate the non-members, which is scary to see. We as a race haven't eliminated a coronavirus yet, and we probably are not anytime soon, and hatred is starting against anyone weak enough to get bullied, because someone has to be made to pay. Gonna be a rough winter.
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• timr 5y ago
  > How many kids lost (and continue to be deprived of) the single safe place they could learn or get a decent meal when in-person schools shut down? Given that we're the ~only country in the world who insisted on kicking kids out of school long after it was shown that schools pose miniscule risk, this strikes me as a profoundly disingenuous remark. Kids weren't deprived of education because someone refused to get a vaccine; they were deprived of education because we overreacted.
  • woodpanel 5y ago
    This!
  • m-ee 5y ago
    There’s a lot of nuance missing from this. Schools pose minimal risk when appropriate measures are taken. These measures are frequently not taken, a friend of mine just caught Covid from the school she works at last week. Masking and distancing are semi enforced, but the biggest issue is kids are being sent to school sick repeatedly. Parents have relied on and feel entitled to schools as free childcare, sometimes without much choice if their jobs are at risk. Framing the school closings as an overreaction to a minimal risk is incorrect and dangerous.
    • jjeaff 5y ago
      One of the teachers at my old high school died from covid a few months ago. She was in her 40s and left a few children without a mother. She most likely caught it at school from one of the kids that was mostly asymptomatic. And apparently her natural immunity wasn't enough because she had caught COVID a year prior, also from school. It's too bad she listened to all the idiots that convinced her that she didn't need a vaccine because natural immunity was best or that she was safe at school because kids don't really spread it. Had she listened to the actual experts, she likely would have lived and her children would still have a mother.
    • timr 5y ago
      No. Schools pose minimal risk, period. There have been many studies, across countries around the world, that say the same thing. There was a big study from the UK in 2020 -- prior to vaccination -- which showed that teachers under age 65 have an equivalent or lower risk of death as any other job: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235165/Teachers-NOT-higher-risk-dying-Covid-people-jobs-study-finds.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10235165/Teachers-N... Meanwhile, there's no evidence for the "appropriate measures" (whatever those are) that you're using to cast allusions on the safety of schools. There's simply no evidence base to defend the claim that schools are unsafe, and a substantial evidence base showing the opposite. Want to give elderly teachers leave or early retirement? Sure, fine. But especially after vaccination, the rest is complete theater. > a friend of mine just caught Covid from the school she works at last week....framing the school closings as an overreaction to a minimal risk is incorrect and dangerous. So...your friend caught covid, and therefore, everyone else is "incorrect and dangerous". Well, guess what: a friend of mine caught covid outside of work last week. So what's your point? That people get sick? Also: how did your friend end up, again? You skipped over the part where a fully vaccinated person recovered from a mild illness with no problems.
• ok_dad 5y ago
  Honestly, I only hate the ones who don’t see the error of their ways. The ones who realize they’re dumb and make changes should be forgiven. Imagine if there were no room for forgiveness on anything, then you get a calcification of beliefs and that’s not great. Forgiveness is what allows people to change their minds.
• nostromo 5y ago
  Should we extend this attitude to everyone else that taxes the healthcare system? If you got HIV from unprotected sex, should we shame you? If you’re fat and get diabetes should we? Etc etc. This is inhumane thinking and shouldn’t be encouraged.
  • sangnoir 5y ago
    > If you got HIV from unprotected sex, should we shame you? Tangentally related: in some jurisdictions[1], not informing your partner that you have HIV and exposing them to the risk of infection is a criminal offense. 1. The United Kingdom, and New Zealand, if memory serves.
  • vaxxz 5y ago
    It’s a wee bit different to aid and abet an ongoing global pandemic.
    • dehrmann 5y ago
      HIV and obesity have both been called epidemics, so it's a fair comparison.
      • jackson1442 5y ago
        I can't catch HIV or obesity by sitting next to someone on a train, so is it really?
        • dehrmann 5y ago
          > obesity https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html You might be able to in the sense that it normalizes it. It's a little like how suicides can be "contagious."
        • argvargc 5y ago
          Actually you can. They might be eating a sugary dessert, and then you think "mmm, I'd like one of those". And the person might not even need to be there physically, they could just be an image. Do we need to publicly shame and ostracise employees of all advertising and marketing companies? All ice-cream manufacturers? What about smoking? Smoking kills 10 million per year, COVID is a pittance by comparison. Should smokers wear a yellow cigarette badge to distinguish them from others? 1 million die from the effects of second hand smoke - which can come off of clothes, even imperceptibly. Best to know about it, and give them a wide berth. Eg, probably a good idea ban them from going into shops at all. And from buying food, starve them out of the habit, eh? Do remember here, COVID is NOTHING compared to smoking. That is, by supporting such measures against COVID and not against smoking or any other preventable cause of death, you're effectively a "murderer". As such, I'll be giving you and folks like you a wide berth myself, though I wouldn't go as far as restricting your ability to feed yourself. No need to thank me, it's just common human decency.
• Barrin92 5y ago
  the lack of empathy, and I'm talking about true empathy that results in action when it comes to healthcare workers is still incredible. The amount of stress physically and mentally that nurses and doctors have been put through, by being exposed to covid themselves from the beginning, being separated from family, seeing people die every day is nuts. And the amount of people still who basically talk about this like "oh the hospitals aren't even full yet, it's not that bad", and have done so repeatedly really is just plain sad. Also goes for the food workers and delivery people and anyone else who keeps things running.
• beebmam 5y ago
  Frankly, people who buy into anti-vaxx ideology are victims of mass propaganda campaigns. And all of us suffer because of those mass propaganda campaigns.
  • worker767424 5y ago
    Do you think it's a propaganda campaign, or maybe it's just a logical extension of longstanding talking points. What happened with Trump and the vaccine (he got booed for saying he got boosted) shows that the movement has outgrown even him, so it's basically self perpetuating.
    • jjeaff 5y ago
      Trump was never really anti-vax. What Trump did to make all of this so much worse was foment distrust of the media and experts.
  • tasogare 5y ago
    Must be nice to live in your fictional alternative universe. First the massive propaganda, enforced by governments, media and tech companies is in favor of the vaccination. There is literally no mainstream media or government on earth I can think of that are pushing an anti-vaccine agenda. Secondly if the vaccine worked, it would have stopped the epidemic already. It didn't made a dent even in countries with 90% vaccinated. This single fact should one think. And think again. The "anti-vaxxers" are the scapegoats of political and health policies that don't work.
    • somewhereoutth 5y ago
      Vaccines have saved countless thousands (millions?) from hospitalisation and death, and allowed us to open up without (completely) overwhelming our health systems (or whatever it is you have in the US). No vaccine is perfect, and herd immunity (like we have for measles) would require nearly 100% coverage in all age groups - assuming it would even be possible for a virus like Covid. Vaccines could have been used with NPIs instead of in place of NPIs, which could have given us a chance of containing Covid completely. Unfortunately, not least because of the anti science voices you seem to have been listening to, this was not possible.
• shrubble 5y ago
  As of the middle of November 2021, about 30% of nurses had not gotten the vaccine, despite its widespread availability. Does your condemnation extend to them?
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  • sangnoir 5y ago
    My condemnation extends to nurses; no one is beyond criticism. Infact, a surprising number of nurses have insane ideas - more than you'd think. To wit, at my local hospital, a doctor found an abrasion on a patient's back which was later attributed to a "healing crystal" supplied - and installed - a few days before, by an attending nurse.
  • clon 5y ago
    How many of those do you recon had already been exposed before vaccine availability? These people were putting their neck out almost a full year before the first shot was administeres. Chances are, many of them already acquired immunity via this route.
    • gruez 5y ago
      So by this logic, would you let "front line workers" that aren't vaccinated off the hook as well, seeing that they were probably "exposed before vaccine availability" and "Chances are, many of them already acquired immunity via this route"?
      • spurgu 5y ago
        That makes sense?
    • johnisgood 5y ago
      I wish people did not disregard natural immunity. There are quite many who do. Anyways... for how long does natural immunity last?
• johnisgood 5y ago
  How do you know that the Government would not have done those things either way? The unvaccinated do make a good scapegoat though. Plus, I think you are greatly overestimating the vaccine's efficacy of reducing transmission, especially when it comes to newer variants. There are also many people who pose little to no risk AND are not vaccinated. As far as the unvaccinated getting hospitalized goes, well... do you have this amount of hatred towards the obese, too? Regardless, your comment came across as pretty hostile, you seem to have a lot of hatred.
  • jjeaff 5y ago
    I would be very, very angry at obese people if the cure for obesity was a tiny needle prick with almost no side effects. But the reality is, obesity is a difficult problem to overcome and requires education, effort, and time.
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    • johnisgood 5y ago
      What do you think constitutes prevention, and treatment for obesity?
      • jjeaff 5y ago
        I'm not sure if I understand the question. Nutrition education, access to healthy foods and the means to purchase them would be prevention. Then for treatment, long term dieting and exercise as well as systems to support that.
        • johnisgood 5y ago
          Prevention - eat less Treatment - eat less. You should be very angry at them. If they eat less, they would not be such a burden on our health care right now. If you are not angry, then you are very selective about it, and you are just cherry picking... double standard, and so forth.
• dijonman2 5y ago
  I can’t support this mentality at all. In any case these people are still humans. They have the same right to life as we all do.
  • yencabulator 5y ago
    "Crisis Standards of Care" are what literally allows the hospital to make a triage decision to give better care for the people who are more likely to survive.
    • dijonman2 5y ago
      That’s fine, but letting unvaccinated people suffer or die is a discriminatory position. If there is a underlying medical condition that is present then sure I agree. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes and shouldn’t be left to die because of it. Let’s stop hating each other, love everyone even the anti-vaxers.
      • yencabulator 5y ago
        The "shouldn't" can be ignored when the hospital is at 100% capacity; when in crisis, things no longer happen as they "should". Even more so, some "shoulds" must be ignored, or you'll have patients queuing up outside the hospital. Unvaccinated people literally have smaller chance of survival. Whether vaccination status is to be included in the triage point score is an ongoing debate -- it currently isn't: https://www.denverpost.com/2021/11/21/vaccination-status-colorado-covid-crisis-standards-care-ration-hospitals-age/ https://www.denverpost.com/2021/11/21/vaccination-status-col...
• guilhas 5y ago
  Luckily most vaccinated are not this empathy lacking self righteous... No on cares about your forgiveness In 10 years we will still be analyzing the health implications of the vaccine. And the effects on the health system Also the unvaccinated tax not only is pay for the public health system, they are also pay for the vaccines, that give billions in profit to the pharmaceuticals, and has little to no benefit for all under 50
• neither_color 5y ago
  I don't feel this way. It's clearly nobody's fault and I have yet to see a convincing chain of reasoning that faults any particular person or group of people for an ongoing natural disaster. Any attempts at doing so assume a nearly infallible vaccine. Stop watching so much news if it upsets you this much and fills you with hate for healthy people.