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Twitter suspends account tracking Maxwell trial
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- axiosgunnar 5y ago> Big tech has gotten too powerful, and they can silence us anytime they want. Did you speak out when Trump got banned? If not, did you really think they would only go after the „bad guys“?
- mrslave 5y agoIt seems there's some flagging of news of the trial here too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29493009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29493009 (presumably you need to be logged in with showdead).
- ericras 5y agoI just got banned from Twitter a couple days ago for the same reason: "platform manipulation and spam". I only occasionally tweet about college football and don't do anything illicit at all. All I can figure is I was banned simply because of the accounts I follow, which included @TrackerTrial among other "controversial" conservative-type political accounts.
- qwertyuiop_ 5y agoThe shadow INFOWARS is upon us whether you realize it or not.
- bufferoverflow 5y agoYou got banned for not being far-left. Twitter has been banning conservative accounts with huge followings for years, sometimes without any stated reason. The solution is not to use Twitter for political news or discourse, they are trying to shape it in quite obvious ways. Independent alternatives is what we need.
- StanislavPetrov 5y ago>Twitter has been banning conservative accounts It's not merely "conservative" accounts who have been banned. Plenty of anti-war activists, supporters of government transparency and general voices against the narrative set by the DC blob have been banned who were in no way, "conservative". You could ask Wikileaks supporters how they have been treated by Twitter, if you can find any of them that haven't been banned.
- christmm 5y agowhy? most likely higher ups from Twitter involved with Maxwell and Epstein
- Jimmc414 5y agoLooks like the account possibly tried to implicate an Intel agency several hours earlier? https://twitter.com/HardensBetter/status/1468304975998578689 https://twitter.com/HardensBetter/status/1468304975998578689 I would be interested in seeing the missing tweet if anyone has any ideas how to view a cached version.
- jevoten 5y agoIs that against Twitter rules? Implying intelligence agencies would secretly do something untoward? Edit: The cached tweet: https://www.twitter.com/HardensBetter/status/1468304975998578689 https://www.twitter.com/HardensBetter/status/146830497599857... Many think Epstein was connected to intelligence. Evidence includes making videos of his guests having sex with young girls, a classic intelligence entrapment technique used by every spy agency in the world, a large supply of diamonds and Austrian passport to make a quick escape.
- lp0_on_fire 5y agoThe past 5 years has taught us that on twitter it's ok to imply (and in many cases outright state) that the sitting president of the US is a literally Russian plant) without a fear of a ban. In a normal world this would mean you could also imply that Epstein is an intelligence asset without fear of a ban. But this is twitter world so who knows?
- dewey 5y agoAfter following the account for a bit it was mostly just spreading rumours like "Baldwin deleting account because of Epstein trial" when in reality it was most likely related to the shooting. I can understand that it got suspended by people probably reporting some of these tweets. It was far from a factual tracking of the events.
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- Jimmc414 5y agoIt is sad that actions like this don't even surprise people anymore. Perhaps this is one of those Twitter actions that falls under the umbrella of "improving community discussions" instead of the first amendment.
- president 5y agoIt's even sadder that there are people who believe that censorship is right. I have had numerous conversations with people who want more censorship, especially if it agrees with their worldview.
- impendingchange 5y agoI call being censored like that "got twittered". It'll be bad for Twitter when that descriptor becomes commonly used.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y agoJust call it being harmonized. That's what the Chinese have been calling it for years. Twitter is part of the same kind of apparatus in the US.
- pixelgeek 5y agoWhy would you be surprised that an account that was accused of being part of a content system spreading misinformation would be suspended? A person can say what they want but no-one is forced to listen to it or help promote it. As well, if this account was part of a system of bots and fake accounts that were spreading a particular message isn't that something that you want to see removed from a social media platform? Isn't authentic information and material important?
- mc32 5y agoSo how about all those accounts spreading misinformation about the Rittenhouse trial? Where is the trail of suspended accounts artificially amplifying misinformation? The problem is Twitter is biased against and for some things and doesn’t attempt to stamp out misinformation evenly.
- balbaugh 5y agoThere is a Substack associated with the suspended twitter account [0]. They have made a recent post about the suspension of said account and all of the users other twitter accounts [1]. It states that twitter told the user "the account was “artificially” amplifying information". [0] https://patriotone.substack.com https://patriotone.substack.com [1] https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension
- hanniabu 5y ago> twitter told the user "the account was “artificially” amplifying information". When will twitter ban itself?
- ineedasername 5y agoSo they were banned for using sock puppets to popularize their tweets?
- lonnyk 5y agoThis is what it sounds like to me, too. Either that or just using their multiple normal accounts to re-tweet/like.
- BitwiseFool 5y agoIf so, I want BrooklynDad_Defiant, the Palmer Report, Duty to Warn, the Gravel Institute, and ReallyAmerican1 removed immediately. There is no way these folks always manage to be at the top of every trend organically.
- klipklop 5y ago100% agree. It sure is funny how these accounts are always surfaced as the first reply. Especially with that BrooklynDad account. It was always the first hot take reply to any Trump tweet. Of course BitwiseFool and I have no proof beyond our observations so please don't ask for proof of Twitters internal workings. Note we have no proof of why this Maxwell trial account was suspended other than twitters word. They provided us with no data or proof. This is very common now. Folks take the word of tech companies as hard fact and any other speculation is not allowed. Any twitter employee want to use a throwaway account to set the record straight? Doubt it.
- mikeyouse 5y agoThere are plenty of reputable journalists closely following the trial including Julie K Brown, the Miami based reporter whose story broke the whole thing open a few years ago leading to these arrests: https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist Adam Klasfeld is another one I enjoy: https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoAre you saying Twitter banned this group because there was already other people reporting on the topic? Is that a standard in the TOS, that “First!” is an actionable internet rule?
- MrPatan 5y ago"reputable", no less.
- mikeyouse 5y agoWell rather than reading anonymous accounts who aggregate what real journalists are reporting from the courtroom while interspersing random conspiracy theories, it seemed useful to just link to the real journalists directly. An extra benefit is that since the journalists are reputable, their accounts are unlikely to be deleted or suspended.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago“real journalists”, hmm, there it is again.
- MrPatan 5y agoI wonder why those real reputable journalists wont get their twitters deleted. Ah! hold on, I know, it's because they are real and reputable. I'm so dumb, sorry.
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- motohagiography 5y agoIs there a good case for why someone who doesn't use twitter would create an account and use it now? Trying to figure out what organic growth for them looks like.
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- pixelgeek 5y agoI tried to open an account a while back as there were a lot of coders on Twitter that I wanted to follow. I almost immediately shut the account down due to 1) the utterly broken search and 2) the sheer number of 'suggested' accounts or trends to follow. Even if you aren't concerned about issues that this account brings up it is a miserable user experience.
- teetertater 5y agoI opened an account 3 weeks ago and had pretty much the same experience. But.. then I unfollowed every verified account and topic, and it got much better. Once you find a few accounts you like it's easier to find more. Since then I've discovered many cool resources and been invited to niche dev communities. It's too early to say if it's worth it yet but I would say yes if I can grow to a few hundred followers. (At that point you have supported to boost product hunt launches, people to give feedback, amplify your support issues, etc)
- pixelgeek 5y agoI just found it to be a wall of noise. It didn't give me any sense that I had any control over what was going on.
- cblconfederate 5y agodespite all this, twitter is still the source where you can find "dissident" voices who speak for themselves. For example with the whole discussion wrt to vaccines, all other sources do some inane level of "censoring" which has no rhyme or reason. HN generally avoids the subject due to politics, reddit allows its $0/month moderators to do whatever the fuck they want, FB ewww i wont even go there, what's left? For me twitter is the only source where i can subscribe to people who aren't passionate, aren't constantly preaching, and aren't afraid to present their side of the story (they exist, you just have to find them by aggressive elimination)
- paganel 5y ago> user "the account was “artificially” amplifying information". That is newspeak pure and simple.
- teekert 5y agoAmplifying information over 2.3 fold is clearly immoral and should be illegal. It's double plus bad. Straight to jail/re-education. Credit score to 0.
- pixelgeek 5y agoNot at all. It means that the account was using fake accounts and/or bots to help spread information that was viewed to be false.
- xboxnolifes 5y agoNear everything about marketing is artificially amplifying information. Most of the time we just call it "click bait" and "SEO". If what the user did was use fake accounts and bots, the reasoning should be "using fake accounts and bots".
- MrPatan 5y ago> user "the account was “artificially” amplifying information". Where does it say the information was false in that sentence? The newspeak worked. and to go from "artificially" to bots and fake accounts... OK, maybe. But how do you know? Not because they told you in that sentence, that's for sure.
- mbesto 5y ago> newspeak You guys keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means. Twitter is a private company. Newspeak was a language developed by the government in Orwell's 1984. VERY different contexts here. For the record - what Twitter communicated is not clear and potentially deceptive, but this response wasn't written by some Twitter PR person. Some support person pressed a button and a canned twitter response was logged to the user: https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension It can mean 100's of different things. So let's maybe ease down on the Orwellian pitchforks.
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- zouhair 5y agoAs a society we need to redefine what a public space is.
- pixelgeek 5y agoTwitter isn't a public space. It is a privately owned platform.
- bondarchuk 5y agoWow, I haven't seen this exact argument play out this exact way 100s of times before! Great addition to the conversation guys. Really insightful.
- kordlessagain 5y agoThis is why we need tags for conversations. Yours would get a <sarcasm> tag, maybe.
- LanceH 5y ago</sarcasm> Dude, be careful with that.
- guerrilla 5y agoThe comment you're responding to is saying that exactly that definition doesn't work anymore, so your response amounts to "No."
- pmyteh 5y agoIt's quite an interesting question. There are lots of privately owned 'public' spaces in meatspace, and the function of a space (a place where people get together in public) and its ownership (municipal, commons, private) don't always overlap. Which doesn't necessarily mean that Twitter should be treated as a town square, because it's clearly something different to that. Similar sorts of concerns about the centrality of private spaces to public use led to PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins, a California case allowing political activity at shopping centres against the wishes of the operator. That case hasn't been widely followed in other states and countries, though, probably for good reasons.
- qwertyuiop_ 5y agoCan’t have transparency. This account was posting pictures of Bill Clinton on Lolita Jet and Hollywood celebrities on Epsteins Blackbook. The made men protect other made men.
- hxkandbe 5y ago@dang can we update the link to this one please? At the moment people are just reacting to the headline and there doesn’t seem to be much substance to the debate due to this. https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension https://patriotone.substack.com/p/twitter-suspension
- qwertyuiop_ 5y ago"Just reacting" is questioning Twitter's motives to suspend an account for reporting court proceedings of the most scandalous case in recent US history which entangles everyone on the top political echelons, wall street, hollywood, academia and big tech. Sure go ahead supress the discussion here too.
- mynameismonkey 5y ago>Twitter's motives to suspend an account for reporting court proceedings It's clear Twitter suspended the account for TOS violations, and not the subject matter. I have no dog in this fight, do not follow the case, but a quick search of Twitter yielded these not-suspended accounts that are "reporting court proceedings" as you say: https://twitter.com/USvMaxwell https://twitter.com/USvMaxwell https://twitter.com/Trial_Tracker https://twitter.com/Trial_Tracker https://twitter.com/CultStateDotCom https://twitter.com/CultStateDotCom https://twitter.com/MaxwellTrial https://twitter.com/MaxwellTrial There are dozens at first glance. There is even a trial tracker tracker... https://twitter.com/CensorTracker https://twitter.com/CensorTracker So, @hxkandbe's request that we use the suspended account's blog post about the suspension to add some context and clarity is in no way suppressing the discussion, but instead seeking to elevate and inform it.
- adam_arthur 5y agoIt's always TOS violations when convenient. Plenty of accounts violate TOS and go untouched. Not casting judgment on this specific case, but the ease with which it's possible to selectively apply TOS to bans should be concerning to free speech oriented people. Just make a broad TOS and you can ban anybody you like.
- cblconfederate 5y agoWell, what are we to do rather than assume the worst about twitter employees' sexual proclivities ?
- throwawayyyyk 5y ago> I also have a Gab account if anyone is interested in a more informal route of communication.
- 1cvmask 5y agoYet we have the same people who advocate censorship decry the CCP for censorship of the Internet in China. Let's make the Internet safe for the elites and protect the masses from disinformation and misinformation.
- peanut_worm 5y agoNew CEO must have some opinions regarding pedophilia
- kordlessagain 5y agoTwitter is a cesspool, with lush islands of information crisscrossed with rivers of sewage.
- xanaxagoras 5y ago1 part information to 10,000 parts sewage.
- danlugo92 5y ago#Web3 and #Bitcoin fix this.
- danlugo92 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
- ineedasername 5y agoEh, that's a bit overused and tends to fall into the "slipper slope" fallacy territory a lot of the time it's rolled out. I'm withholding judgement on this one as there seems to be some indication the account was using using sock puppets to make them more popular. If that's true (and it might not be) that would lower the temperature on this ban to a standard TOS violation of a well-known policy.
- mdoms 5y agoAh there it is, the 'slippery slope fallacy' fallacy. Slippery slope arguments are not fundamentally fallacious. There's no such thing as "the slippery slope fallacy". There are slippery slope arguments, some of which are fallacious and many of which are not. Please, stop cargo culting logical fallacies.
- imwillofficial 5y agoSlippery Slope isn’t a fallacy. It’s literally how things progress from good to worse. Identifying early signs of Stalin’s rise to power would be called Slippery Slope these days. As for twitter, their focus removing on information that is damaging to people in power is concerning. These days private corps wield as much or more power than governments.
- pixelgeek 5y agoI don't think that there is any in Stalin's rise to power[0] that would fit the definition. The post you are responding to also refers specifically to the Slippery Slope Fallacy[1] which is a different beast than just calling something a 'Slippery Slope' [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
- FDSGSG 5y agoThe substack username "patriotone" is pretty revealing. Reeks of QAnon nonsense, the posts themselves contain some pretty obvious dog whistles too.
- imwillofficial 5y agoIf it’s obvious, is it a dog whistle?
- FDSGSG 5y agoYeah, why not. "States' rights" would be an easy example.
- pixelgeek 5y agoI think so. Its typically the equivalent of 'nudge, nudge, wink wink' so if it was subtle people would miss the point
- cbfrench 5y agoIf one’s a dog, I suppose.
- dogleash 5y agoYou're correct. Obvious and dog whistle are mutually exclusive terms. But these days those words are treated like magical incantations by hacks trying to make it believable when they assign labels to the wrong'uns.
- throwawayboise 5y ago"dog whistle" is a dog whistle.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> If it’s obvious, is it a dog whistle? The point of a dog whistle is to be obvious to anyone clued into its subcultural framework, but slip under the radar otherwise.
- danlugo92 5y agoTelegram backup: https://t.me/TrackerTrial https://t.me/TrackerTrial
- m-p-3 5y agoIt would be nice if there was a Mastodon account for it too.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago> "artificially" amplifying information Isn't that the whole point of Twitter?
- sva_ 5y agoMaybe they mean that activity on the account has been retweeted/liked by bots a lot? Seems like social media engagement amplification is all the rage nowadays. Good way to get an account suspended, I suppose.
- q1w2 5y agoI think what they meant was that they detected bot activity associated with the account.
- logicalmonster 5y agoThere's multiple huge problems if Twitter takes this approach to rules enforcement even if they're genuinely trying to be honest and unbiased. 1) Every account on Twitter has "bot activity associated with this account": if for no other reason that random advertising bots retweet, follow, or like random people and posts to attempt to blend in as a genuine account and hide their true purpose. This reasoning gives Twitter essentially carte blanche to delete everybody, even assuming they were willing to be fully transparent about the evidence surrounding their bans (which they're not). 2) Bad Actors can easily sabotage accounts they dislike. Here's just 1 method how this can be done: there's 10,001 shady fly by night firms in India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Vietnam, and other countries that offer services to "buy followers" or "buy retweets". It's trivial for somebody without programming skill and even a few hundred dollars to just buy mass spam and shill the hell out of an account (the lower quality the better) until somebody notices and that account gets banned. You don't even have to assign bad motives to Twitter to see the obvious problems here.
- afavour 5y agoI suspect a key difference here is “all of the users other twitter accounts”. If a bunch of accounts registered to the same email address all start boosting each other that’s probably pretty easy to detect, and distinct from someone else trying to do it to you.
- echopurity 5y agoHN shadowbans any dissent with no explanation.
- jake_morrison 5y agoTwitter has a huge problem with bots. On one hand, there are a lot of bots which are more or less malicious, e.g. trying to cause political strife or promote scams. On the other hand, Twitter sells advertisers on the idea that they have however many millions of users. So if Twitter was to actually get rid of the bots, then they would cause advertising revenue to drop, which might actually kill the company. So they are stuck with algorithmic techniques which walk a fine line of accuracy. The solution is probably to mass verify real users (though "real name" verification is problematic). Right now, they use verification as a way to play favorites. Real users with hundreds of thousands of followers can't get verified.
- bjt2n3904 5y agoSome vindication in the threads this morning, for all the people who told me it was essential for social media to address "fake news", and that my "slippery slope" argument was a figment of my imagination!
- bko 5y agoThey also suspended Nancy Tracker [0], a twitter account tracking Nancy Pelosi's stock trades. Something else I noticed that I think has changed is the follower counts on suspended accounts, which is only available on the app. It may have always been hidden on the web. I get it, they're a private platform. But if they're acting on behalf of powerful state actors, how can we say that's not suppression on speech? The white house has admitted that they're in direct contact with social media platforms even going so far as tagging posts for "misinformation" [1]. In theory the state can't restrict the speech on social media. But in practice they don't even need to. [0] https://twitter.com/NancyTracker https://twitter.com/NancyTracker [1] https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-would-government-censorship https://mleverything.substack.com/p/what-would-government-ce...
- mikeyouse 5y agoIt appears NancyTracker and the Maxwell court case from this thread were run by the same account? https://gab.com/NancyTracker/posts/107411717342791428 https://gab.com/NancyTracker/posts/107411717342791428 If so - whatever got them suspended (bot farm upvotes usually?) got both accounts suspended. These then aren't separate suspensions but one person's suspension across multiple accounts.
- CobrastanJorji 5y agoYou quite possibly hit the nail on the head. Sometimes, far too often, random people doing nothing underhanded become a false positive statistic for some sort of automated malicious activity detection and have their accounts suspended for no good reason. But other times, those automated malicious activity detectors are doing their job correctly, and people really ARE doing something underhanded, and the giant corporation in question chooses not to air their reasoning in public, which is probably the right call (from the corporation's perspective) most of the time. It's hard to know from the outside which one of those two things happened.
- pixelgeek 5y ago> But if they're acting on behalf of powerful state actors, how can we say that's not suppression on speech? Well you would first have to prove that they were acting on the behalf of powerful state actors. Does anyone have that proof?
- thescriptkiddie 5y agoThe podcast TrueAnon is covering the trial with daily updates. https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod
- jd115 5y agoI have personally reported this (and related "tracker" accounts) for disinformation multiple times, so for one, I am glad to see it suspended. Despite the innocent sounding name, it's not just "coverage of the trial" as you would expect. The "tracker" accounts have all signs of belonging to a Russian troll farm and pushing a hostile agenda, which has absolutely nothing to do with justice one way or another. I expect to see more of these accounts suspended in coming days.
- onehair 5y agoI am curious to know, which checkboxes did the account check to qualify as misinformation and being a Russian troll?
- jeffreyrogers 5y agoHow do you distinguish Russian troll farm vs. someone whose politics/opinions you disagree with?
- evandale 5y agoA Russian troll farm pushing a hostile agenda? The account was reporting facts from a trial of a pedophilic rapist who spent years abusing high school age children. Ghislaine Maxwell deserves nothing but hostility being thrown her way.
- qwertyuiop_ 5y agoIf it doesn't fit the narrative or embarrasses or exposes one's tribe, its the RUSSIANS
- pixelgeek 5y agoI think this really just speaks to the problem of people relying on platforms like this for news. The system can easily be gamed and there is something about the immediacy of it that tends to inflame people. Which I suspect is why there are so many people trying to game them in the first place. As a whole I don't think we are really mentally and emotionally prepared for this kind of communication.
- analogdreams 5y agotwitter gets less and less appealing by the day.
- ladzoppelin 5y ago@trackertrial2
- webdoodle 5y agoThe Trilateral Commission much have thought the Maxwell trial was getting too much attention again, and put pressure on Twitter. The pedophile Epstein was a member of the Trilateral Commission.
- zaph0d_ 5y agoI am not sure if they are aware of the Fediverse [1,2]. The Fediverse essentially rebuilds all the social-networking services but as federated services. This means each service can be hosted by multiple instances and instances can communicate with one another, but all still have their internal rules. I think they even used the "-verse" term before the whole Metaverse-hype. They could move the tracker to a suitable Mastodon instance [3] or even host their own Mastodon instance in order to get a suitable exposure out there (Maybe even use one of the Blogging instances). This would also be a first test how robust the Fediverse is with respect to external pressure. [1] https://fediverse.party/ https://fediverse.party/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [3] https://instances.social/ https://instances.social/
- mynameismonkey 5y ago>I am not sure if they are aware of the Fediverse According to the account owner's substack, they are on Gab. So, sort of.
- karmanyaahm 5y ago> sort of I don't think so. Gab doesn't federate with the rest of the network, so for all intents and purposes it's not part of the Fediverse.
- mynameismonkey 5y agoI meant sort of aware, not sort of federated. But yeh, not really.
- riffic 5y agothey don't even need Mastodon. Take WordPress and install the ActivityPub plugin[0] on it and you will then have the entire fedi at your reach. [0] https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/
- realce 5y agohttps://twitter.com/realMattBuck/status/1468535971125895175 https://twitter.com/realMattBuck/status/1468535971125895175 @NancyTracker, the account that tweets Pelosi's stock trades, was suspended today.
- mikeyouse 5y agoThe person running the Maxwell tracking account ran that account too (per their Gab) -- so whatever they were doing to get banned (they apparently had 200k followers a few days after creating their account, so they likely had paid bots) ensnared both.
- realce 5y agoOh interesting, thanks for the insight! Not to be conspiratorial, but through a political lens they both serve to serve a similar message. Maybe they're part of a low-profile campaign, who knows.
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- TrispusAttucks 5y agoHow do we save our freedom? Why is the truth such an apparent threat? Every day there is more and more of this that I am losing hope.
- Jimmc414 5y agoThe truth has always been a threat to those who hide behind lies. It helps to realize that the world isn't necessarily getting worse as much as our information about it is getting better.
- dundarious 5y agoI’m sure there’s plenty of hyperbole in this post, and it's really just more hearsay, but within their lane, I think TrueAnon is reputable enough. https://twitter.com/trueanonpod/status/1468617453718675461 https://twitter.com/trueanonpod/status/1468617453718675461 > It was some doofus not at the trials trying to shill his paid sub stack and then tweeting absolute bullshit. As you can imagine, a lot of the 500,000 followers were bots, which is probably why it got suspended. Also we are covering this for Barstool Sports. (Quote tweeting a Barstool Sports account, so that part’s a joke). > It had 200k followers the day after it was launched it doesn’t take a damn genius to figure it out!!!
- arpstick 5y agovery convenient that a lot of bot accounts suddenly follows an account for people trying to amplify the accessibility of information of a trial that is suspiciously low profile considering the people involved.
- thepasswordis 5y agoAt some point I think you have to just step back and laugh at all of this. It does seem pretty hopeless. I mean seriously consider the news that has come out in the last few years. Trumps "Russian collusion" - oops it turns out that this was actually literally manufactured by his political opponents in tandem with the intelligence community. A virus which obviously leaked from a bioweapons lab - no don't notice that, what are you a racist? Jeffrey Epstein - just blatantly assassinated while he was in prison. Cameras go off for a few minutes, and come back on with him dead. This is called a "suicide" by all of the trusted journalists. Joe Biden's kids laptop gets leaked/stolen/whatever and is full of obviously damning information about a yet-unelected political candidate. Claims are that it's fake, that it's Russian disinformation, and thankfully twitter and facebook come along and ban any discussion of this, then demand that the newspaper which broke the story make a public declaration and apology for that apostasy - oops just kidding it actually turns out that the laptop was legitimate this entire time, and oh by the way that same kid will just blatantly, in your face sell his "artwork" to people for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then oops those people end up with positions in our government. And now this. A journalist covering a story about a person who was selling the ability to rape young girls which she was trafficking to our political elites is banned from twitter for the coverage. Oh and also there is somehow apparently almost no coverage of this story on any of the nations major news outlets. CTRL-F "epstein" on cnn, msnbc, fox news, and nytimes comes up with 1 result for a book that one of the victims wrote. This is so, so, so far beyond anything that I could have imagined 10 years ago. We're completely lost, and the people who are supposed to be helping us find our way out seem to be the ones that set us off course to begin with. It is existentially horrifying to me. --- I think it's obvious what a horrible detriment twitter (mostly twitter, imo), facebook, and reddit have become to our society. The scary thing is that they're the journalists at this point. So imagine it's the 1960s, and the cigarette companies are not only the ones selling the cancerous product, but they also have the ability to unperson anybody who suggests that the product is bad for you. I'm really not sure how to solve this, aside from completely unplugging from society. The problem there is that when you do unplug from society, what you'll find are extremists. It's the same effect as voat, parler, gettr, gab, etc. They're the dissident free speech bastions, but what that means is that they're full of people who have been exiled from polite society. That is not an abyss I want to stare into for too long.
- tempfs 5y agoIf you rely on social media for your news you're gonna have a bad time.
- adamrezich 5y agowhen the account started posting stuff like "when the trial is over we'll be exposing ALL corporate and government corruption!!" I knew its days were numbered (not because anything will actually come of it)
- cdcarter 5y agoI don't support reasonless bans and no communication from Twitter. That said, this account was not particularly useful for tracking the trial. In particular, they were tweeting a lot of what they hoped would happen or wanted to happen. Folks were constantly replying "is that what happened today, or what should happen?" E.g. something like "Now is the time for Federal Agents to show exactly who was on all the CDs". This was not an event that happened in the courtroom. Clearly the prosecution has no desire to reveal all that information when there's still a possibility of going after those parties next. The trial tracker account was no good.
- bufferoverflow 5y ago> this account was not particularly useful for tracking the trial. And hundreds of thousands of people thought it was useful.
- gorwell 5y ago@jack was oft accused of abandoning the people and twitter's free speech principles, but with the changes we've seen since he stepped down, it now appears he was the only thing standing between dissident voices (including citizen journalism) and the ruling class establishment.
- convery 5y agoI'm sure it's just a coincidence that Twitter added the rule banning pictures/reports on non-public persons on the first day of the trial.. which also coincidentally was the day Twitters and other companies CEO/CFO's all suddenly resigned; thus making them non-public persons..
- op00to 5y agoGot a list of resignations?
- cronix 5y agoHere's a good youtube account run by a lawyer who has physically been at the trial every day and gives pretty good updates and legal takes: https://www.youtube.com/c/GoodLawgic/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/GoodLawgic/videos
- noxer 5y agoI case anyone is interested in the removed content > https://t.me/TrackerTrial https://t.me/TrackerTrial
- cronix 5y agoTwitter is currently completely down, so hard to read the tweet.
- renewiltord 5y agoYou guys are an outrage machine that parallels the worst of Reddit. I can’t wait for you guys to defend spammers with “Gmail censors informative vendors who are trying to honestly sell Viagra and Cialis to suffering people”
- Nasrudith 5y agoI believe HN already has had that for a long time with a minority persistently about GMail being "too powerful" and "ruining their business". If people actually want to talk to you and stop receiving an email they will send a message to you.
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- stopglobalism 5y agoAbsolutely disgusting, Twitter-- Twitter has reached a new level of corruption
- Jordrok 5y agoThis would all be so much easier if Twitter and other social media companies were actually transparent and explicit about the specific reasons an account was banned. Instead, you are just generically told that you are in violation of the Terms of Service and MAYBE if you're lucky, linked to a certain section of the ToS which might theoretically be relevant to your case. The specific rule that was broken, and examples of behavior which broke that rule are never given. Whatever the reasoning behind not going into more detail may be is irrelevant. The fact that none is given feeds directly into the narrative that Big Tech is unjustly censoring The Truth That They Don't Want You To Know and only exacerbates the current environment of distrust and disinformation. I feel like this is something that is going to have to change to have any hope of ever returning to some sort of consensus on what constitutes objective reality.
- ordiel 5y agoSniff sniff, smells like Cli ton amd a bit of orince andrew...
- tbarton16 5y agoHonestly I read through the substack and its not that good reporting. Not the kind of hard hitting journalism the tag of this post suggests -- not worth your time. Still shouldn't be banned tho!