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Playstation 5 root keys obtained

414 points by hekker 5y ago

kungito 5y ago
Can someone explain what are the consequences of this? Can this be patched? Does this mean cracking games will be possible?
- causi 5y ago
  If you disconnect your PS5 from the internet now, then yes, probably, in a few years. I would anticipate Sony using updates and e-fuses to prevent its use on any console that stays live.
  - vermilingua 5y ago
    From the thread: > Can these be rotated easily? > No. We might get lucky.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      I'd be surprised. The PS3's keys were leaked too (by the same group, in fact), and Sony managed to put the genie back in the bottle in a pretty amazing way.
      - lilyball 5y ago
        Is there any reference to how Sony re-secured the PS3? All I'm aware of is the fact that they killed the ability to run Linux on PS3 because they couldn't re-secure it while retaining the ability to run a different OS.
        mananaysiempre 5y ago
        Wait, wasn’t it the other way around? There was that fail0verflow slide about how the PS3 took unusually long to crack if you count from the release, but essentially the same time as other consoles if you count from the moment one couldn’t run other OSes on it.
        lilyball 5y ago
        If it was cracked after Linux was removed, then what was the reason for removing Linux? My recollection was that it was a security vulnerability.
        znpy 5y ago
        Some people started buying ps3 to build compute clusters. This was because the ps3 had a very strong processor made by ibm, using rhe powerpc isa. This meant that ibm started losing sales of their powerpc systems. So the story i know is that ibm "asked" sony to stop allowing linux on the ps3.
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        arghwhat 5y ago
        They started out by not including it in the Slim, then removed it for "security reasons" in a firmware update for the original consoles. I imagine they just decided not to bother with the new product, and then wiped it from the existing ones.
        AussieWog93 5y ago
        I don't remember the specifics, but after the keys were leaked (this would have been about a year after OtherOS was removed?), Sony managed to both release a firmware update that disabled homebrew, as well as block new releases from running on the old, hackable firmware. That new firmware lasted for more than a year, too.
      - named-user 5y ago
        Efuses
  - nothis 5y ago
    But wouldn't this allow to decrypt any future patch data and see exactly what was changed, thus allowing to bypass it?
aufhebung 5y ago
As someone who isn't in the jailbreaking space I don't really know what this means. Can you sign your own PS5 code and run it on the hardware?
- _notreallyme_ 5y ago
  No, signing is done with asymmetric keys. Someone sign with their private key so you can verify it with their public key, basically. Symmetric keys are used to encrypt the code for updates, generally to prevent unintentional leak of secrets or just to prevent reverse engineering. I'm not in the jailbreaking space, but I guess that what it means here is that some people may find flaws in the code and leverage them to potentially bypass the signature verification, although this might prove very difficult to do. It might also help emulating the PS5 behavior which in turns could lead to some modding/cheating for some games. Who knows ?
  - qwerty456127 5y ago
    I hope they also get the asymmetric keys once. I'll buy the thing then. I'm not buying hardware I can't patch to have root access and run custom firmwre on.
    - mabbo 5y ago
      It's almost certainly impossible. With symmetric encryption, both the encryptor and decryptor need a copy of the same key- that's what makes it 'symmetric'. But with asymmetric encryption, the keys do not match. This means you can encrypt or sign the data with your private key, and then keep it private. The matching pubic key will decrypt or verify. The device would not have a copy of the private key in it, so it's unlikely it will ever leak.
      - qwerty456127 5y ago
        I know but everything is likely to leak sooner or later.
      - 5y ago
rvz 5y ago
Better translation from: [0] > It means ultimately that decrypted firmware files will be available for hackers. This would make reverse engineering of the PS5 firmware possible, and from there, open possibilities for finding future exploits and/or write custom firmwares or Homebrew enablers. [0] https://wololo.net/2021/11/08/ps5-exploit-fail0verflow-show-decrypted-ps5-firmware-files-they-already-have-the-ps5-keys/ https://wololo.net/2021/11/08/ps5-exploit-fail0verflow-show-...
- BossingAround 5y ago
  > Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality Interesting. I don't own a PS5, but Xbox seems to be pretty much a PC [1] (weeeell, like a Chromecast-style PC anyways). The main reason to legitimately jailbreak a PS4 back in the day was to get back the Linux functionality Sony took away from its users, and to run emulators possibly. It's interesting that the hacker communities acknowledge that the legitimate reasons for jailbreaking your PS5 are not many, at least not yet. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw_4kiYvEmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw_4kiYvEmE
  - jojobas 5y ago
    Cheap render farm?
  - zeroflow 5y ago
    Well, If you look at both the PS5 and XBox One X, both of them are running customized AMD SoC's. But basically, that's just a AMD APU. If my memory serves me correctly, the PS3 for comparison had a custom Cell CPU which was used for supercomputer clusters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster So they must have had some kind of edge compared to normal PCs.
    - tehbeard 5y ago
      The cell CPU was something like a dual core with 6 additional, specialised stream processors. I think the closest analogue might be a a CPU with a few cuda cores on the die? It didn't work too well from my understanding, difficult to develop anything that could make use of those streaming cores that was worth it over a traditional multicore chip with more cores. Useful for scientific community though. If anyone knows what the spe cores were used for in games, I'd be very interested to know.
innocentoldguy 5y ago
If only people could obtain a Playstation 5 to go along with them.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  I live in a third world country. What's funny is we have a lot of PlayStations and powerful video cards and top-level processors available. We just don't have any money to buy them. Maybe I should set up a mail-order business to serve Western hardware enthusiasts.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    That’s a clever business idea. Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      >Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them. Nah. As long as you don't sell many, you can get away with just marking as gift and putting a value of 20 USD on the package.
      - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
        Aaaaand this is why now even "$20 gifts" have to pay import taxes at the EU entry customs.
      - gbraad 5y ago
        ... and when it gets lost you are unable to claim the insurance amount
        AussieWog93 5y ago
        Honestly, I wouldn't be concerned about that. Insurance is nothing more than free revenue for the carrier. I'd send close to 500 packages a month to destinations all over the world, and tracked items almost never go missing. For those that do go missing, it's always to a few hotspots that I would simply avoid if selling an item this valuable (pretty much just Brazil and South Africa now; Russia and Italy are much better than they used to be).
GhettoComputers 5y ago
> Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500+tax (in store stock and not scalped, and even scalped at $900 its not easy to match PC hardware). Who wants to hack such a device for legitimate reasons like using it as a computer? Nobody, its not worth it!
- yur3i__ 5y ago
  > They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500 (in stock and not scalped). The way I view it is as paying a subscription for support, I bought a PS4 at launch and the fact it can play the newest Call of Duty at 60fps looking decent is absolutely worth the price. I'm not a PC gamer so I'm curious if a PC from 2013 that cost like $400 would hold up as well. Now the PS5 is out I view it as time to pay the next sub of $500 to have a guaranteed level of performance for the next console cycle
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    You are paying for support in terms of the higher cost of the games, being locked to one online store and only approved playable games they allow, not being able to move it to another console generation, no replacable parts. A good PC in 2013 would have been 1.3x more expensive at launch (today it would be way more expensive to build a PS5 equivalent) but a PC would be able to play games better than a PS4 Pro (it is locked for GTA5 at 1080/30fps, while PC is always unlocked), have more graphics options, populate the streets with more NPCs, and tons of external niceties such as mods, you can use the PC for playing old games and emulators too. You can get 60FPS on desktop or more any time if you lowered the graphics like they do for consoles like PS4, but even the equivalent PC GPU runs a better than 30FPS at 1080. https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Grand-Theft-Auto-V/3727/7714.0.0.0.0 https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Grand-The... At the same time, I don't really recommend building a fancy gaming PC, most games are not exciting and having an APU for playing fun older games makes the most sense to me, I used my GPUs way more before, but since 2017 for Prey I haven't felt like I cared for them since I care to play AoE II and Starcraft more, and new games that are exciting are all indie, and don't need good graphics like into the breach, or Factorio don't exist on console. The PS store irritates me because they resell to me the same games again except on a different console, PC just runs everything. Heres the performance of an 3400G APU ($150 CPU+GPU on one chip. You can also upgrade the hardware if you see a good deal, unlike a PS4 where you'd have to buy a completely new one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo I think you should consider a low end PC for gaming, its got tons of cool stuff you can run, they even cloned PS3's PT, you aren't getting better support for gaming by buying a console. https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/2/17519118/pt-remake-windows-pc-free-download https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/2/17519118/pt-remake-windows-...
rich_sasha 5y ago
Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer: buy this pseudo-pc so we can sell you expensive, limited-choice software.
- kingrolo 5y ago
  I have a beast of a desktop PC but still find myself getting into console games far more than PC games. I think when I'm at my desk there's always this nagging feeling telling me I could be doing something more productive (code, music, learning) whereas on the sofa with a console I don't feel that.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  Game consoles are appliances. This is either a pro or a con depending on your point of view.
- SalimoS 5y ago
  I am primary an iOS developer so I’m not interested in a MacBook + a PC setup So for gaming i choose an xbox console and for the 70$ Price I subscribed to xbox game pass ultimate (it’s 15$/mo) but I have access to all 1st party games day one with more than 200 games in the backlog which I don’t have time to play them
- dayvid 5y ago
  You have to use Windows or deal with weird compatibility hacks? I’m really looking forward to the Steam deck. It may not have the power of current-gen consoles, but it takes so many good things about current consoles and combines them together. Openness of a PC, not Windows, portable + docking, etc.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Why do you need a weaker handheld? Nvidia moonlight can stream from PC already, played Halo on my iPhone with controller. Steam link or equivalent on TV works, and you can just subscribe to nvidia GeForce now if you want to be GPU free anywhere(all long as games are supported). The things I’d want to run from the deck will be served better on a laptop anyway. No thanks to 720p screen, low battery life, the weight of the device is too heavy for a handheld. A ryzen APU laptop from 2017 will do everything better.
rStar 5y ago
playstation 5, not yet obtained!
- rStar 5y ago
  as in, i haven’t been able to buy one. its a joke mfrs, chill
  - ziml77 5y ago
    You're being downvoted because you're not contributing anything at all to the discussion. It's a lowest of the low effort sort of comment. If we tolerated that then, by the very nature of requiring little effort, they would quickly drown out substantive comments.
    - rStar 5y ago
      I appreciate the effort on that response, and it’s tone, but you describe a joyless situation filled with people without a sense of humor, so even if you’re right that’s quite depressing.
dynamite-ready 5y ago
I sincerely hope the first thing someone does, is create an unofficial patch to allow people to use old third-party (and first-party) joypads. Locking down which joypads you can use seemed like a mean spirited move from Sony.
- hnarn 5y ago
  While not impossible, this seems like a huge amount of work for an independent developer. I don’t think any old controller is plug and play as soon as you remove one if clause disabling them, there’s probably a significant amount of work involved in getting them to work.
mekster 5y ago
Is Sony prepared for such an event or some sort of irreversible damage is done as a console?
- hnarn 5y ago
  What do you mean “prepared”? If you break your hardware by installing custom software on it, that has never been covered by your warranty (although companies may still replace the hardware out of good will or being incapable of detecting the modification).
  - mekster 5y ago
    Meaning, can they fix the issue by just updating the console remotely and not fixable by believing it should never leak?
wly_cdgr 5y ago
Easier to get than an actual PS5, apparently

414 points by hekker 5y ago

Can someone explain what are the consequences of this? Can this be patched? Does this mean cracking games will be possible?

causi 5y ago
If you disconnect your PS5 from the internet now, then yes, probably, in a few years. I would anticipate Sony using updates and e-fuses to prevent its use on any console that stays live.
- vermilingua 5y ago
  From the thread: > Can these be rotated easily? > No. We might get lucky.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    I'd be surprised. The PS3's keys were leaked too (by the same group, in fact), and Sony managed to put the genie back in the bottle in a pretty amazing way.
    - lilyball 5y ago
      Is there any reference to how Sony re-secured the PS3? All I'm aware of is the fact that they killed the ability to run Linux on PS3 because they couldn't re-secure it while retaining the ability to run a different OS.
      - mananaysiempre 5y ago
        Wait, wasn’t it the other way around? There was that fail0verflow slide about how the PS3 took unusually long to crack if you count from the release, but essentially the same time as other consoles if you count from the moment one couldn’t run other OSes on it.
        lilyball 5y ago
        If it was cracked after Linux was removed, then what was the reason for removing Linux? My recollection was that it was a security vulnerability.
        znpy 5y ago
        Some people started buying ps3 to build compute clusters. This was because the ps3 had a very strong processor made by ibm, using rhe powerpc isa. This meant that ibm started losing sales of their powerpc systems. So the story i know is that ibm "asked" sony to stop allowing linux on the ps3.
        deleted 5y ago
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        arghwhat 5y ago
        They started out by not including it in the Slim, then removed it for "security reasons" in a firmware update for the original consoles. I imagine they just decided not to bother with the new product, and then wiped it from the existing ones.
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        I don't remember the specifics, but after the keys were leaked (this would have been about a year after OtherOS was removed?), Sony managed to both release a firmware update that disabled homebrew, as well as block new releases from running on the old, hackable firmware. That new firmware lasted for more than a year, too.
    - named-user 5y ago
      Efuses
- nothis 5y ago
  But wouldn't this allow to decrypt any future patch data and see exactly what was changed, thus allowing to bypass it?

aufhebung 5y ago

As someone who isn't in the jailbreaking space I don't really know what this means. Can you sign your own PS5 code and run it on the hardware?

_notreallyme_ 5y ago
No, signing is done with asymmetric keys. Someone sign with their private key so you can verify it with their public key, basically. Symmetric keys are used to encrypt the code for updates, generally to prevent unintentional leak of secrets or just to prevent reverse engineering. I'm not in the jailbreaking space, but I guess that what it means here is that some people may find flaws in the code and leverage them to potentially bypass the signature verification, although this might prove very difficult to do. It might also help emulating the PS5 behavior which in turns could lead to some modding/cheating for some games. Who knows ?
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  I hope they also get the asymmetric keys once. I'll buy the thing then. I'm not buying hardware I can't patch to have root access and run custom firmwre on.
  - mabbo 5y ago
    It's almost certainly impossible. With symmetric encryption, both the encryptor and decryptor need a copy of the same key- that's what makes it 'symmetric'. But with asymmetric encryption, the keys do not match. This means you can encrypt or sign the data with your private key, and then keep it private. The matching pubic key will decrypt or verify. The device would not have a copy of the private key in it, so it's unlikely it will ever leak.
    - qwerty456127 5y ago
      I know but everything is likely to leak sooner or later.
    - 5y ago

rvz 5y ago

Better translation from: [0] > It means ultimately that decrypted firmware files will be available for hackers. This would make reverse engineering of the PS5 firmware possible, and from there, open possibilities for finding future exploits and/or write custom firmwares or Homebrew enablers. [0] https://wololo.net/2021/11/08/ps5-exploit-fail0verflow-show-decrypted-ps5-firmware-files-they-already-have-the-ps5-keys/ https://wololo.net/2021/11/08/ps5-exploit-fail0verflow-show-...

BossingAround 5y ago
> Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality Interesting. I don't own a PS5, but Xbox seems to be pretty much a PC [1] (weeeell, like a Chromecast-style PC anyways). The main reason to legitimately jailbreak a PS4 back in the day was to get back the Linux functionality Sony took away from its users, and to run emulators possibly. It's interesting that the hacker communities acknowledge that the legitimate reasons for jailbreaking your PS5 are not many, at least not yet. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw_4kiYvEmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw_4kiYvEmE
- jojobas 5y ago
  Cheap render farm?
- zeroflow 5y ago
  Well, If you look at both the PS5 and XBox One X, both of them are running customized AMD SoC's. But basically, that's just a AMD APU. If my memory serves me correctly, the PS3 for comparison had a custom Cell CPU which was used for supercomputer clusters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster So they must have had some kind of edge compared to normal PCs.
  - tehbeard 5y ago
    The cell CPU was something like a dual core with 6 additional, specialised stream processors. I think the closest analogue might be a a CPU with a few cuda cores on the die? It didn't work too well from my understanding, difficult to develop anything that could make use of those streaming cores that was worth it over a traditional multicore chip with more cores. Useful for scientific community though. If anyone knows what the spe cores were used for in games, I'd be very interested to know.

innocentoldguy 5y ago

If only people could obtain a Playstation 5 to go along with them.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
I live in a third world country. What's funny is we have a lot of PlayStations and powerful video cards and top-level processors available. We just don't have any money to buy them. Maybe I should set up a mail-order business to serve Western hardware enthusiasts.
- rbanffy 5y ago
  That’s a clever business idea. Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    >Governments will usually demand you register a company in order to be able to legally export them. Nah. As long as you don't sell many, you can get away with just marking as gift and putting a value of 20 USD on the package.
    - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
      Aaaaand this is why now even "$20 gifts" have to pay import taxes at the EU entry customs.
    - gbraad 5y ago
      ... and when it gets lost you are unable to claim the insurance amount
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        Honestly, I wouldn't be concerned about that. Insurance is nothing more than free revenue for the carrier. I'd send close to 500 packages a month to destinations all over the world, and tracked items almost never go missing. For those that do go missing, it's always to a few hotspots that I would simply avoid if selling an item this valuable (pretty much just Brazil and South Africa now; Russia and Italy are much better than they used to be).

GhettoComputers 5y ago

> Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500+tax (in store stock and not scalped, and even scalped at $900 its not easy to match PC hardware). Who wants to hack such a device for legitimate reasons like using it as a computer? Nobody, its not worth it!

yur3i__ 5y ago
> They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500 (in stock and not scalped). The way I view it is as paying a subscription for support, I bought a PS4 at launch and the fact it can play the newest Call of Duty at 60fps looking decent is absolutely worth the price. I'm not a PC gamer so I'm curious if a PC from 2013 that cost like $400 would hold up as well. Now the PS5 is out I view it as time to pay the next sub of $500 to have a guaranteed level of performance for the next console cycle
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  You are paying for support in terms of the higher cost of the games, being locked to one online store and only approved playable games they allow, not being able to move it to another console generation, no replacable parts. A good PC in 2013 would have been 1.3x more expensive at launch (today it would be way more expensive to build a PS5 equivalent) but a PC would be able to play games better than a PS4 Pro (it is locked for GTA5 at 1080/30fps, while PC is always unlocked), have more graphics options, populate the streets with more NPCs, and tons of external niceties such as mods, you can use the PC for playing old games and emulators too. You can get 60FPS on desktop or more any time if you lowered the graphics like they do for consoles like PS4, but even the equivalent PC GPU runs a better than 30FPS at 1080. https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Grand-Theft-Auto-V/3727/7714.0.0.0.0 https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Grand-The... At the same time, I don't really recommend building a fancy gaming PC, most games are not exciting and having an APU for playing fun older games makes the most sense to me, I used my GPUs way more before, but since 2017 for Prey I haven't felt like I cared for them since I care to play AoE II and Starcraft more, and new games that are exciting are all indie, and don't need good graphics like into the breach, or Factorio don't exist on console. The PS store irritates me because they resell to me the same games again except on a different console, PC just runs everything. Heres the performance of an 3400G APU ($150 CPU+GPU on one chip. You can also upgrade the hardware if you see a good deal, unlike a PS4 where you'd have to buy a completely new one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo I think you should consider a low end PC for gaming, its got tons of cool stuff you can run, they even cloned PS3's PT, you aren't getting better support for gaming by buying a console. https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/2/17519118/pt-remake-windows-pc-free-download https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/2/17519118/pt-remake-windows-...

rich_sasha 5y ago

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer: buy this pseudo-pc so we can sell you expensive, limited-choice software.

kingrolo 5y ago
I have a beast of a desktop PC but still find myself getting into console games far more than PC games. I think when I'm at my desk there's always this nagging feeling telling me I could be doing something more productive (code, music, learning) whereas on the sofa with a console I don't feel that.
madeofpalk 5y ago
Game consoles are appliances. This is either a pro or a con depending on your point of view.
SalimoS 5y ago
I am primary an iOS developer so I’m not interested in a MacBook + a PC setup So for gaming i choose an xbox console and for the 70$ Price I subscribed to xbox game pass ultimate (it’s 15$/mo) but I have access to all 1st party games day one with more than 200 games in the backlog which I don’t have time to play them
dayvid 5y ago
You have to use Windows or deal with weird compatibility hacks? I’m really looking forward to the Steam deck. It may not have the power of current-gen consoles, but it takes so many good things about current consoles and combines them together. Openness of a PC, not Windows, portable + docking, etc.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Why do you need a weaker handheld? Nvidia moonlight can stream from PC already, played Halo on my iPhone with controller. Steam link or equivalent on TV works, and you can just subscribe to nvidia GeForce now if you want to be GPU free anywhere(all long as games are supported). The things I’d want to run from the deck will be served better on a laptop anyway. No thanks to 720p screen, low battery life, the weight of the device is too heavy for a handheld. A ryzen APU laptop from 2017 will do everything better.

rStar 5y ago

playstation 5, not yet obtained!

rStar 5y ago
as in, i haven’t been able to buy one. its a joke mfrs, chill
- ziml77 5y ago
  You're being downvoted because you're not contributing anything at all to the discussion. It's a lowest of the low effort sort of comment. If we tolerated that then, by the very nature of requiring little effort, they would quickly drown out substantive comments.
  - rStar 5y ago
    I appreciate the effort on that response, and it’s tone, but you describe a joyless situation filled with people without a sense of humor, so even if you’re right that’s quite depressing.

dynamite-ready 5y ago

I sincerely hope the first thing someone does, is create an unofficial patch to allow people to use old third-party (and first-party) joypads. Locking down which joypads you can use seemed like a mean spirited move from Sony.

hnarn 5y ago
While not impossible, this seems like a huge amount of work for an independent developer. I don’t think any old controller is plug and play as soon as you remove one if clause disabling them, there’s probably a significant amount of work involved in getting them to work.

mekster 5y ago

Is Sony prepared for such an event or some sort of irreversible damage is done as a console?

hnarn 5y ago
What do you mean “prepared”? If you break your hardware by installing custom software on it, that has never been covered by your warranty (although companies may still replace the hardware out of good will or being incapable of detecting the modification).
- mekster 5y ago
  Meaning, can they fix the issue by just updating the console remotely and not fixable by believing it should never leak?

wly_cdgr 5y ago

Easier to get than an actual PS5, apparently