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That's what I find amazing with Apple users. They sell you a very expensive machine that doesn't work. Your reaction? Buy a more expensive one from the same
by BiteCode_dev 5y ago
That's what I find amazing with Apple users.
They sell you a very expensive machine that doesn't work.
Your reaction?
Buy a more expensive one from the same provider!
- rimliu 5y agoYour mistake is thinking that that machine "doesn't work". It obviously works for them.
- valparaiso 5y agoMacBooks are default working stations for developers over the world for the past ten years and judging by one example is nothing more that Apple-hate.
- wffurr 5y agoWhat other machine can you buy to run Xcode on? Also, I get along just fine with the last few Macs I have had...
- papito 5y agoHow about the Mac Mini?
- Fnoord 5y agoOr Hackintosh. Hey, GP asked 'what machine'. Didn't require it to be an Apple.
- jiux 5y agoI’ve given this thought for an older MBP of mine that can’t upgrade to latest OS so that it can be used as a CI. My issue with that is 1. Can I trust the hackintosh to not be compromised and 2. Uploading an IPA via hackintosh feels like bananas.
- Fnoord 5y agoIf you use say Proxmox and create your own macOS image and compile your own Opencore then you should be OK. You can do same on VirtualBox. (On a PC, cause I doubt older MBPs have the necessary stuff like VT-d.) Of course, once Apple kills off x86-64 macOS it is going to become more complicated.
- rdsnsca 5y agoHackintosh's are dead as soon as Apple stops supporting Intel chips.
- wffurr 5y agoThat won't be for a very long time. There's a lot of Mac Pros out there. They're still supporting the 8-year old 2013 Mac Pro, the trashcan one. They sold a lot of the revised Mac Pro to animation studios and such. I wouldn't count on support for those being dropped for at least ten years.
- randomluck040 5y agoThat would be the same for OPs use case. He’s using a M1 MacBook Pro so nothing would change. The M1 devices don’t support more than 16 GB RAM, too.
- zwily 5y agoThe recently released M1 MacBook pros go up to 64GB.
- dmz73 5y agoThat seems like another symptom of the same problem. Apple locked me into their ecosystem...but that is their right, after all it is their platform. Apple sold me faulty hardware/software but I have to buy more Apple products (new hardware, support) since I am locked in and cannot do my work on non-Apple hardware. Their behavior may not be illegal (IANAL) but I find it quite user hostile. The main problem I see with all this is that since Apple is getting away with it, more and more companies are trying the same tactics and normalizing user lock-in and charging extra to fix faulty hardware and software.
- csdreamer7 5y agoAs someone who hasn't been in the Mac ecosystem since his and his mom's iMac both broke in the same way in high school, how does the Mac ecosystem lock you in?
- perryizgr8 5y agoComment just above mentions the need to use macs because of xcode.
- jolux 5y agoAs far as I know you need to use Xcode to distribute the software, or to write macOS-native software. I have written plenty of Java Swing apps without touching Xcode at all.
- wffurr 5y agoTo be fair to the OP, the "more expensive" machine is also probably the fastest laptop on the planet at compiling code, so there's also that.
- xvilka 5y agoYou can use alternative toolchains like like cctools-port[1] and xcbuild[2]. See, for example, this article [3] on how to build Swift UI apps for iOS using Linux. [1] https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port [2] https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild [3] https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-swiftui-apps-from-linux/ https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-sw...
- smoldesu 5y agoWow, they make it so easy!/s
- goatherders 5y agoAmen. I can't think of another brand that fosters so much "I'll spend more money here" compared to "I'll use a different brand."
- cpuguy83 5y agoThat's how much we hate Windows and desktop Linux.
- helmholtz 5y agoGood thing you can afford the kind of expense that the luxury of that hate is costing you then, I guess.
- coliveira 5y agoFor a professional developer the difference in cost is not that much bigger.
- nickpp 5y agoWell, generally speaking Windows and Mac developers are in such demand that hardware is quite a small expense compared to how much they make. Is the experience very different for Linux developers?
- KptMarchewa 5y agoIt's very weird to be talking about "windows, mac or linux" developers. Desktop application development today is maybe about 1-5% of all development, while overwhelming majority of backend development - the largest category - targets Linux.
- handrous 5y agoPercentage of the way to being as good as all desktop operating systems ought, at a minimum, to be: Windows: 70% Linux: 20-80% depending on your hardware, what you're doing with it, and how lucky you got with the current kernel & libraries your distro is running. MacOS: 90% So when Apple fucks up really bad and MacOS temporarily drops to 70%, no, I still don't switch. Every desktop operating system is shitty, but there are degrees of shitty. And yes, I use all three pretty regularly.
- leephillips 5y agoIt’s really something, isn’t it? I’ve never regretted my decision to switch from macOS to Linux over a decade ago. Having to restart a 64GB machine constantly because it runs out of memory? Meanwhile my 4GB Linux computer shows a 38-day uptime (only because I accidentally unplugged it last month) and my two Linux servers have uptimes of over a year.
- strunz 5y agoFunny, I moved from Linux to Mac because I got so sick of no good laptops with full support for Linux and it's never ending subsystems for audio, webcams, trackpads, etc. And not like Linux UIs are known for being efficient and memory friendly either.
- hhaha88 5y agoHahaha the old “if your workload just looked like my workload” argument. I like how x86 is a power sucking hog for the performance and enthusiasts response is to go out and buy more power sucking hogs! Someone wasn’t around when Linux could figure out what to do with a USB device. Spectre? Meltdown? What are those? It’s almost as if engineering is hard and being a critic is easy. Kind of like numbers, language allows for a never ending, so big in a sense, corpus of little ideas.
- crubier 5y agoJust to be clear: This perfectly fine experience you describe is also exactly the experience of 99% of Apple users, including me. You only hear the ones that complain.
- leephillips 5y agoThe ones that don’t complain have low standards. When I switched, although OSX was pretty solid, it was trading frequently spinning beachballs for the first consistently responsive computer I’d ever used. I had come to regard macOS sluggishness as normal, as do most Mac users, because they haven’t experienced anything better.
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- mlindner 5y agoWhere did your comment come from, nothing in the parent comment is related to what you're saying.
- rvba 5y agoWasnt apple fined for slowing down iphones? Looks like the 16gb model is now artificially made obsolete as well - you are supposed to buy the 64gb one.
- D-Coder 5y agoFor slowing down iPhones when the battery was low and not telling the user about it.
- adfgaertyqer 5y agoStop trying to spin it Apple's illegal behavior. The change was clearly unnecessary because once they rolled it back the phones kept on functioning just fine.
- adfgaertyqer 5y agoStop trying to spin it Apple's illegal behavior. The change was clearly unnecessary because once they rolled it back the phones kept on functioning just fine. Modern hardware can and should last ten years. Accept no excuses.
- fsckboy 5y agoFor slowing down older iPhones
- addicted 5y agoI find the defense of Apple in this case absolutely fascinating. You know how I can tell that Apple made that change not with the user in mind? By the fact that until a 3rd party proved Apple was throttling older phones, Apple never publicly stated they were doing this. I’m fact, they vehemently denied it. I saw this on a personal level, where my mother who took 2 trips abroad about a year apart, with the same phone (and she had a lot of disk space in both trips and she hardly installs any apps) found the phone an absolute pleasure to take pictures during the first trip, kept missing shots while waiting for the camera app to load in the second one. And on taking the phone to the Genius Bar multiple times, she was gaslighted each time as the Genius showed her their diagnostic results which showed that no, her phone was in perfect health (minus a slight degradation in battery life). Of course, a few months later the entire world learnt that, in fact, her phone had slowed down, and Apple was lying. What’s interesting is that Apple diagnostics tools (which should probably have a speed test?) also reported everything as being just fine.
- closeparen 5y agoApple has few and long-lived product identifiers; as such it is possible for specific problems to become well known. It's extraordinary to find more than a handful of anecdotes about any particular model number of consumer Windows laptop that happens to be on sale at Best Buy today. There are so many, and they cycle so rapidly.
- ekianjo 5y agothats the users every company wants!
- wait_a_minute 5y agoI want to buy a 16" M1 Max because it looks awesome...but my base-model 13" M1 is a beast of a machine and I use it every day for dev work. It has only 8gb of ram but it still chews through everything. And I got it for a great price brand new considering how much I've been using it since launch. In my own experience so far, if I buy that expensive 16" M1 Max it will be because I want it. Note that I've had Dell XPS laptops that were configured with the same price point as a Macbook and while nice...those devices definitely didn't have the same attention to quality that I've experienced with Apple products. So it seems unfair to make such a broad criticism against Apple users at large!
- jmull 5y agoIt’s not that amazing… What is the alternative platform that runs Xcode but with the memory leak bugs fixed?
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- djmetzle 5y agoHave you tried not buying their shit?
- TomVDB 5y agoFind me one laptop with a trackpad that works as well as a MacBook and we can talk. I use a MacBook trackpad to make diagrams, for 3D modeling using Blender and FreeCAD, to draw schematics and route PCBs with KiCAD, and whatever else you’d otherwise do with a mouse, and it just doesn’t get in the way. Over the years, I’ve been forced to use work supplied top-end Thinkpads, HP, and Dell laptops and none come even close to even the trackpad of my long retired, lowly 2009 MacBook Air 11”. I don’t really care whether I use macOS, Linux or Windows: they all run the same applications. I also don’t care about the price of a laptop: what does it matter that a tool that I use day in day out for years costs $1000 more? I care that it’s usable. MacBooks are usable for things I use them for. The other laptops are not.
- Uehreka 5y agoThis right here, I got a Razer Blade from work last year, and found the touchpad so awful I assumed there must’ve been bad drivers installed. 3 driver installs later and I realized it just wasn’t as good as the MacBook trackpad, and I’d just need to pack a mouse everywhere I bring this laptop.
- TheJoeMan 5y agoI love my 2017 mbp and I so want to tell every person posting workarounds for their $2000 brick please return it! Tim Apple won’t fix anything with all the $$$ in his eyes flowing in. A finance professor once told me “if you don’t vote with your wallet you don’t get to complain”
- danlugo92 5y ago> Hundreds of millions of people, they must be crazy or very stupid! I must be right and they are the ones in the wrong! That's how you sound.
- pacomerh 5y agoSo that's how people should react to a software bug?, move to a new OS and try to get as close as you can to all the apps you were using for years...
- nomel 5y agoI think most everyone knows that this is a software bug that will be fixed.