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California ports among world’s least efficient, ranking shows
- google234123 5y agoAt least the unions make sure everyone is paid 300k and all automation is blocked.
- jimbob45 5y agoI think you're being purposefully absurd but there is a legitimate question as to whether this article is comparing LA ports to ports with negligent safety (and compensation) practices.
- julienb_sea 5y agoThe most efficient port in the world is in Yokohama, Japan. Are you are implying that Japan has negligent safety and compensation practices?
- s1artibartfast 5y agoHow about comparing it to the busiest ports in Eurpoe, Rotterdam and Antwerp, which scored much higher on the list. I wouldn't think the Netherlands or Belgians achieve high efficiency by cutting safety
- soperj 5y agoIt's the busiest port on earth. I suppose they should be getting minimum wage?
- fdsfds76543 5y agoThey should be getting $0 because their jobs can be automated
- makotech222 5y ago[dead]
- jdavis703 5y agoDo you really believe port automation is at the stage where it can be fully automated with no port workers? Even at “automated” ports, I assure you there are still port workers to deal with anomalies. And yeah they should be paid more than $0.
- fdsfds76543 5y ago"Not as enthusiastic over automated terminals like LBCT have been the 15,000 longshore workers, including part-time casuals, who man the docks in the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, the busiest and second busiest in the nation, respectively. Terminal automation poses big changes — and likely some job losses — in those dockworker ranks. LBCT, for example, features remotely run electric cranes gliding back and forth and a computer-controlled stacking system. Multiple containers can be handled by the cranes at one time." https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/08/20/completion-of-long-beach-ports-automated-terminal-hailed-as-creating-a-new-bar-for-the-industry/ https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/08/20/completion-of-long-... EDIT: Apparently my factual post about saying crane operator jobs can be automated was flagged. Incredible
- ihumanable 5y agoWhat's the end of this line of thinking, 12 trillionaires that own all the automation and a vast mass of unemployed people?
- l33t2328 5y agoYes, of course. Why should this not be the goal? If machines can replace all work, you say it’s a better option to keep work around?
- Karrot_Kream 5y agoYes with heavy taxation used to fund a basic income for everyone. I doubt it'll ever be that simple; services still occupy the majority of the US economy. But there's no point keeping work alive just to have people work.
- thereddaikon 5y agoClearly there's a middle ground here. It doesn't have to be all one way or the other. Unions and corporations can both be corrupt and fall into malaise. There are examples enough to give anyone ammunition to make whatever point they want.
- pydry 5y agoI've yet to hear anybody argue that corporate corruption means that corporations no longer serve a purpose.
- josephcsible 5y agoCorporations serve a purpose beyond just fighting with unions.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoThere might be some other reasonably fair salary that exists between minimum wage and $300k/year.
- mistrial9 5y agoThis is not exactly the same as a union bus driver.. I think its fair to say, that this is not a supply-and-demand wage negotiation, rather it is high-stakes negotiation between guilds, over decades. The aisles of the ports are intensely profitable, but operate under heavy pressures.
- Frondo 5y ago"Fair" is whatever they can negotiate. Who are you or I to say what's "fair" for someone else haggling over prices?
- myfavoritedog 5y agoFairness can only be achieved in a competitive environment without unnecessary and contrived leverage. It's really hard to find something fair when unions elect politicians who write laws for unions that allow strangling negotiations that give unions more money to elect politicians who write laws for unions... and on and on. What happens with that high leverage, low competition environment is you end up with the richest country on earth having huge supply chain bottlenecks and rated as having some of the worst ports in the world.
- soperj 5y ago> Fairness can only be achieved in a competitive environment without unnecessary and contrived leverage. It's really hard to find something fair when unions elect politicians who write laws for unions that allow strangling negotiations that give unions more money to elect politicians who write laws for unions... and on and on. Corporations do exactly this, so sounds very fair actually.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoRight, as long as the market is free, fair is whatever they can negotiate. If they artificially restrict labor competition or anything like that, then it isn't really fair anymore, like any monopoly.
- vernie 5y agoYou dunderhead. You utter clod.
- dirtyid 5y agoIt's not even top 10 on earth with around quarter to half capacity of modern automated Asian ports that operate 24/7. Considering supply chain and economic knock on affects, everyone that can be automated should be ASAP.
- rsj_hn 5y agoWhen someone is running a horse and buggy taxi service in 2021, the issue isn't whether the guy shoveling the manure is being paid a fair wage for working hard, or whether their job is easy, but rather why their job exists in the first place. Major ports have automated long ago. "Biden’s Build Back Better bill, Section 30102, expressly prohibits the use of funds provided there to be used for automation."[1] The union is clear it opposes automation: "TTI would become the fourth automated container terminal in Southern California. Total Terminals International’s (TTI’s) decision this week to automate its 385-acre Pier T terminal in Long Beach sets up a classic struggle between terminal operator employers and the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU). The union opposes the project on the grounds it will eliminate some dockworker jobs, but employers say automation is needed to increase capacity and keep the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles competitive."[3] And this results in outdated infrastructure and lower productivity: "Cranes in automated ports operate at least twice as fast as cranes in outdated US ports. Biden’s port czar, John Porcari, let the truth out when he said last week it’s “your grandfather’s infrastructure that we’re dealing with.”[1] "The International Longshoremen’s Association contract, which extends to 2024, blocks the use of automation technology. Willie Adams, president of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, which represents West Coast workers, says automated cargo handling equipment will not be tolerated."[1] "In a July 7 letter to California Governor Gavin Newsom, International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) president Willie Adams cited the pandemic and the US-China trade war as reason why terminal automation, mostly recently seen at APM Terminals’ Los Angeles terminal, would hurt the ports, its workers, and surrounding communities. “This is simply not the time to allow further job losses to automation. Losing jobs to automation not only undermines the long term capacity of our ports, but it does lasting damage on our families,” Adams wrote [.. seen as] further evidence of the union’s single-minded focus on automation. That was seen most clearly in its surprisingly vocal opposition last year to a limited automation project at the APM Terminals Pier 400 facility in Los Angeles despite having agreed years earlier to a collective bargaining agreement that allowed terminals to automate in return for $800 million in additional wages and benefits."[2] When Tanzania's port is more productive than yours, then it's time to finally move into the 21st century. [1] https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/to-please-unions-biden-wont-automate-ports-fueling-supply-chain-woes/ https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/to-please-unions-biden-wont-au... [2] https://www.joc.com/port-news/us-ports/ilwu’s-anti-automation-plea-california-hints-contract-flashpoint_20200724.html https://www.joc.com/port-news/us-ports/ilwu’s-anti-automatio... [3] https://ilaunion.org/2021/05/latest-long-beach-terminal-automation-draws-ilwu-backlash/\ https://ilaunion.org/2021/05/latest-long-beach-terminal-auto...*
- diebeforei485 5y agoIt's not even close to the busiest port on earth. Singapore, Rotterdam, Dubai, Antwerp, Hong Kong, and so many Chinese ports are busier. Notably, all of those are more automated. Edit: It's not even close to the busiest port in the US: https://www.bts.gov/content/tonnage-top-50-us-water-ports-ranked-total-tons https://www.bts.gov/content/tonnage-top-50-us-water-ports-ra...
- ChrisClark 5y agoSource on the 300k salary? Or you just parroting someone's opinion?
- lodi 5y agoSource circa 2015: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dock-workers-union-demands-hurt-consumers/ https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dock-workers-u... "In fact, according to the union's own material, the average dockworker makes $147,000 in annual salary and pulls in $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care benefits. Pensions pay $80,000 a year." Also, "The ILWU is demanding 3% annual raises over five years well beyond the average American's personal income — which the shippers have agreed to — and some changes in the arbitration system." I can't find 2021 data but if they did indeed get their 3% raises then the average total compensation by now is 182*(1.03^5)=211k. --- Another source, also circa 2015: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-20150301-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-201503... "About half of West Coast union longshoremen make more than $100,000 a year — some much more, according to shipping industry data. More than half of foremen and managers earn more than $200,000 each year. A few bosses make more than $300,000. All get free healthcare."
- Frondo 5y agoGood. I applaud all workers who successfully negotiate for as high a salary as possible. After all, I'm not in the room with them when they negotiate their pay, just like they're not in the room with me when it's my turn -- if they're making six figs, good on them.
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- curiousgal 5y ago> In a review of 351 container ports around the globe, Los Angeles was ranked 328, behind Tanzania's Dar es Salaam and Alaska's Dutch Harbor. The adjacent port of Long Beach came in even lower, at 333, behind Turkey's Nemrut Bay and Kenya's Mombasa What's the point of naming those other ports? Like "oh we're so bad we're worse than freaking Kenya!". It's ironic.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoWith all the infrastructure, institutions, knowledge, and processes, shouldn’t the US ports function better than “freaking Kenya”?
- dredmorbius 5y agoChina tops efficiency ratings. Chinese ports also exhibit occasional recent issues affecting both cargo and neighbouring districts (headphone wearers, turn down volume): https://yewtu.be/watch?v=993wlZ6XFSs https://yewtu.be/watch?v=993wlZ6XFSs https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hUtrkfLKyFE https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hUtrkfLKyFE (language, first videographer did not survive) https://yewtube/watch?v=Ikm1CXgOTLo https://yewtube/watch?v=Ikm1CXgOTLo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions It's been a considerable time since any comparable event in a US port. Galveston (1947) and Port Chicago (1944) come to mind, both military cargos, during wartime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster
- chmod775 5y agoConsidering a port is really useful for exploitation, I wouldn't be surprised if the ports in some of those countries are working quite efficiently.
- InitialLastName 5y agoI'll bet the efficiency ratings look a lot better if you account for environmental damage, workers' safety and other externalities of running a port.
- anonymousiam 5y agoProbably also the world's most costly port to operate. Every decade or so the workers organize a slowdown in order to increase their salary and benefits. They are already incredibly overcompensated workers, which is why the jobs are so coveted. https://www.practicaladultinsights.com/how-do-i-become-a-longshoreman.htm https://www.practicaladultinsights.com/how-do-i-become-a-lon... https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-20150301-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-201503...
- mistrial9 5y agoprior to containerization, there were 100x more jobs in the port system
- Robotbeat 5y agoWere there? Port volume was much smaller. The reduction in port jobs per ton of goods moved must be somewhat compensated by significantly increased volume.
- ianleeclark 5y ago> They are already incredibly overcompensated workers They work incredibly socially necessary jobs and they are able to bargain collectively to increase negotiation power, so they seem to be compensated fairly.
- emaginniss 5y agoHonestly, they are essentially using regulatory capture. They require that anyone who works there has to be a member of the union and if they don't like what's going on the entire union refuses to work and to allow anyone else to work.
- kfprt 5y agoStart your own port then. It's not as if there's a shortage of coastline.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoNo to be critical of America. I love Hawaii. Not that its really American. But the declining Standards are kind of alarming. Starting to remind me of South America, which is at least mostly heading in the improve direction. Its kind of ironic that the decline of middle America has so much to do with California deciding its cheaper to trade and do business with China than with Chicago and Detroit and rest of the rust belt. And even then, California cheaps out on the ports.
- iammisc 5y agoWhy are you being downvoted?
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago“California” didn’t decide that. Bentonville, Arkansas did. This isn’t about Republican vs. Democrat, it’s about billionaires vs. everyone else.
- standardUser 5y agoI was thinking Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, birthplace of the Washington Consensus.
- bpodgursky 5y agoRan across this recently (the view of the port backlog crisis from the POV of a trucker): https://news.yahoo.com/lazy-crane-operators-making-250-200100567.html https://news.yahoo.com/lazy-crane-operators-making-250-20010...
- davidw 5y agoPossibly some truth to it, but also worth noting the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner
- throwawaysea 5y agoWhat are we supposed to take away from that? I realize they are right-leaning but every news source has its own biases and every news source has examples of good/bad/truthful/misleading journalism. I feel like the best we can do is to read a diversity of viewpoints and form an opinion.
- davidw 5y agoThere are outlets that try for 'as objective as possible' (albeit sometimes failing), and others that skew pretty hard one way or the other. From my observations, this one is more in the 'skew' category. The skew folks often cherry pick things, don't do fact checking and are otherwise sloppy. I'm wary of them - including the ones that agree with my point of view.
- DrewRWx 5y agoNot when the viewpoint is a transparent, blame-shifting hit piece.
- ars 5y agoWhen people say they hate unions this is why. This port is not automated, and it's entirely because the unions want their money: https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/05/20/automation-war-expected-to-intensify-with-another-long-beach-terminal-looking-to-modernize/ https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/05/20/automation-war-expe... "But the International Longshore and Warehouse Union was quick to issue a response following the meeting, saying the proposal threatens U.S. jobs and local economies." i.e. we want to make things worse, so we get more money. When you read stuff like this, is it any wonder that Amazon and WalMart are so opposed to unions? Are there any unions that advocate for good working conditions, without also opposing efficiency gains in the name of jobs?
- makotech222 5y ago[dead]
- 5etho 5y agoyes deutschland unions are very good for economy and workers
- ars 5y agoEuropean unions and American unions are both called "unions", but they are not the same thing. One huge difference is the employee picks the union, it's not a single union per employer.
- systemvoltage 5y agoNot a single union prospectus has anything remotely related to work-ethics, efficiency, how to handle mistakes and bad performance, etc. I have never supported unions and will never in the future. I can understand the point of Unions in a brutal regime, USA has one of the most vibrant economies in the world with a rich job market. California is digging a hole for itself it doesn’t do something drastic.
- ihumanable 5y agoIt's a wonder that according to free market fundamentalists California is constantly a mismanaged hell hole, and yet it continues to be one of the largest and most dynamic economies on Earth.
- 1cvmask 5y agoThe report: https://cdn.ihsmarkit.com/www/prot/pdf/0521/Container-Port-Performance_Index-WB-2021.pdf https://cdn.ihsmarkit.com/www/prot/pdf/0521/Container-Port-P...
- k0stas 5y agoI was wondering how efficiency is defined for a port. I found what I think is a more original post related to the list: https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/new-global-container-port-performance-index-cppi.html https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/new-global-container... Inferring from the description in the link, it seems like the overall ranking is based on a combined metric. They do mention "minutes per container move" as a key metric ranging from Yokohama's 1.1 minutes to Africa's average 3.6 minutes. From a high-level perspective, and in analogy with computer systems, it makes sense that time efficiency is the most critical metric.
- AdamN 5y agoSeems to me like the two numbers that matter are: Mean time from docking to last container being outside of port property Mean cost per TEU
- legitster 5y agoIn Portland OR, the longshoreman's union (ILWU) organized a slowdown at the port. Things ended with the only customer of the port pulling out because they were losing money on parked ships. The port shut down completely, but the operator of the port managed to successfully sue the union for over $90 million dollars in damages. Here's the kicker, they were sued for unlawful labor practices. The entire slowdown was organized over two jobs. That they wanted taken away from the electrician's union. There are other such stories you can find about dealing with the ILWU. They regularly attack other workers and unions. They even pulled out of the AFL-CIO so they could be free to beef over turf with its' members. Don't buy into any of their media BS - they are not a union, they are a racket. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-11-29/longshore-union-ilwu-bankruptcy https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-11-29/longshore-...
- throwawaysea 5y agoIt looks like there is a long history of "slow work" racketeering at California/West Coast ports. From 2002, "The Fine Art of the Slowdown" (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-sep-21-fi-slow21-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-sep-21-fi-slow2...). From 2015, "How 14,000 Workers Managed to Slow Down the Entire Economy" (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-only-14000-workers-briefly-slowed-down-the-entire-economy/385858/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/how-onl...).
- cletus 5y agoThis is history all over: the pendulum ends up swinging too far and it has to correct. Unions came about to bring about workers rights in the industrial revolution to correct terrible working conditions. This is something that needed to happen. Fast forward to the 1970s and the problems weren't anywhere near as severe. But power not used is power lost. If your members begin to view you as unnecessary, it's an existential threat to not only the union but those who had built their careers (political and otherwise) on the backs of that. So what happens? Any remote sleight is blown out of proportion to create controversy and fan the flames of fear among members. In the US this dovetailed into the Reagan years. Americans had started to view unions as unnecessary and corrupt and union membership and power waned. It also didn't help that there have been many ties between unions and organized crime. Your story about the Portland ports comes as no surprise to me. There are countless stories like this and the "go to" defense used in making a mountain out of a mole hill is the slippery slope fallacy ("well if this electrician can be fired for coming to work drunk and killing two people then you'll be next"). It should come as no surprise that worker wages in real terms stagnated from 1980 until now. What I hope is that the pandemic is a catalyst for this pendulum to start swinging back. I think we've had enough of Reagonomics (trickle-down economics anyone?).
- filereaper 5y agoTweet from Flexport CEO about what's currently happening at Long Beach ports. https://mobile.twitter.com/typesfast/status/1450904056365404160 https://mobile.twitter.com/typesfast/status/1450904056365404... Seems there's a bottleneck because trucks aren't picking up containers from the port. They're running out of room in the yard to unload the container ships. The tweet explicitly says that the Port is not slowing anything down and that they want more shifts. Rail deliveries are on schedule.
- refurb 5y agoOh that Tweet is pure gold. “We went to the Port to ask the workers why there was a backlog and learned it’s other people that are the problem.” Great PR by Flexport though and smart to placate the Union. No way you can get anything done without greasing the right skids.
- geoduck14 5y ago>“We went to the Port to ask the workers why there was a backlog and learned it’s other people that are the problem.” 1000+ likes! I need to hire this guy to explain to my boss why our prod deployment failed!
- spaceisballer 5y agoThis is exactly what I heard on The Daily. Everyone is buying stuff to get ready for the holidays but had nowhere to store it so they use the port. So normally when there would be zero container ships anchored there are now plenty. It’s a good listen but it all pretty much ties back to just in time manufacturing plus a lot of other complications. (Containers being all over the world because of shipping PPE and other pandemic items when normally those containers are filled back up and sent with other goods.)
- legitster 5y agohttps://mobile.twitter.com/typesfast/status/1450904060253540355 https://mobile.twitter.com/typesfast/status/1450904060253540... Would love to know more about that. Appointments are full but no one is showing up for them? Companies just can't get drivers?
- wing-_-nuts 5y agoPorts are national infrastructure. The current mess is one of the few times I'd actually be in favor of nationalizing them until the current crisis blows over. Hell, I'd be ok with us building 21st century 'mulberry harbors' if it got things under control. The president should go off on them like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.
- horns4lyfe 5y agoBiden has been in the pockets of big unions from the beginning. Not a chance of any of that happening.
- Factorium 5y ago[flagged]
- cr__ 5y agoWhich elections weren’t “real”?
- myfavoritedog 5y agoThe withdrawal from Afghanistan should be instructive of why we should not be eager to see a big power-grab from the current administration. The main three causes of this shipping kerfuffle are: 1. Environmental regulations on trucking. 2. Anti-independent operator laws in CA. 3. Government subservience to the longshoremen union. 4. Overly-aggressive stay-at-home policies and subsidies from COVID. The current administration would go in the wrong direction on every one of those causes.
- praestigiare 5y agoYes, the three big problems: environmental regulations, worker rights, and public health. Without those, industry would be booming.
- julienb_sea 5y agoPorts are already operated by local government. This is standard practice in basically all countries. The most efficient port in the world, Yokohama, is operated by the local harbor district, in exactly the same manner as Long Beach operated by the local city council. I don't think nationalization is going to solve the problem here.
- throwawaysea 5y agoI recommend reading this article titled "Lazy crane operators making $250,000 a year exacerbating port crisis, truckers say" (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/lazy-crane-operators-making-250-000-a-year-exacerbating-port-crisis-truckers-say https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/lazy-crane...), for examples for the kind of games port workers are playing. It's remarkable how brazen the actions of the longshoreman's union can be. There are truckers who are retaliated against if they complain, so they are forced to simply endure "slow work" and abusive practices without any way to help correct the situation. This is of course impacting our supply chain and economy at a crucial time when we need to act quickly and bounce back from the pandemic. Given how broadly-scoped and aggressive state and federal mandates have been, why isn't there a mandate to force labor at ports to work like they are supposed to, just like emergency workers?
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y agoThey're not Federal workers. How do you plan to force them to do their jobs?
- julienb_sea 5y agoThis is the clear result of an overbearingly powerful entrenched union allowing absurd inefficiency. Tough to imagine a legal recourse. Ideally you allow local ports to outlaw the unions, but that would be a legal nightmare and be extraordinarily difficult to pull off, since the entire port's unionized staff would likely quit.
- merpnderp 5y agoYou could simply allow non-union workers, or allow other unions to bid the job. Just some modicum of competition. But right now it is them or no-one.
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago> simply allow non-union workers I have a hunch that if it was "simple" the port owners would have done that a long time ago.
- t8e56vd4ih 5y agonever thought or heard about California having a port at all. kind of weird because in hindsight that seems rather obvious.
- p1mrx 5y agoCalifornia has 11 major ports: http://www.seecalifornia.com/california/california-ports.html http://www.seecalifornia.com/california/california-ports.htm...
- thedigitalone 5y agohttps://archive.md/mxw93 https://archive.md/mxw93
- thepasswordis 5y agoThis seems like it's going to crash the economy.
- proudfoot 5y agoFull ranking here: https://www.maritimes.gr/images/PORTS/Container-Port-Performance_Index-WB-2021.pdf?_t=1620669079 https://www.maritimes.gr/images/PORTS/Container-Port-Perform... Dominated by East Asia (mostly China) at the top.
- acwan93 5y agoI remember visiting a port in Cartagena (Colombia) well before the pandemic where they gave us a presentation highlighting that due to the inefficiencies of American ports, ports nearby the Panama Canal can do business simply by transporting containers from Panamax ships to smaller ships simply because American ports can't process as many containers. The presenter seemed proud that Cartagena was able to unload and reload more ships as Miami or LA/Long Beach in a given day. The reason they said was due to automation and "forward looking technologies", and said that American ports were riddled with unions and refusals to automate. It seems like this has been a long time coming.
- abeppu 5y agoThere's like 4 subthreads in here that are all fixated on unions and how they might be evil or dysfunctional or actually just fine, even though: - nothing in the Reuter's article says what's causing the slow downs - the twitter thread from the Flexport CEO seems to be giving 2nd hand info that the main cause of delays currently is stuff not getting picked up _from_ the port, which may be more about the situation with trucking, and specifically he says there isn't a work slowdown at the port. - and we _know_ that the rest of the supply chain, including warehouses and trucks are also under a lot of pressure. So even if your people and equipment can unload ships quickly, you quickly run out of space unless customers come pick up their stuff. And that doesn't happen unless customer have both (a) trucks/drivers to pick stuff up and (b) warehouses to receive. And crap, what if they have too little warehouse space because they can't ship stuff out bc container ships are sailing back across the Pacific empty? Or because they're full of A which would ordinarily be consumed to produce C, except production has stalled because everyone's missing B because of the messed up supply chain. The rush to blame stuff on the unions seems to distract from the actual complexities of the current situation. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-ports-supply-chain-fix-challenge-selling-247-shifts-2021-10-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-ports-supply-chain-fix-c... https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046140284/among-the-countrys-supply-chain-problems-bottlenecking-at-ports-like-long-beach https://www.npr.org/2021/10/14/1046140284/among-the-countrys...
- cco 5y agoIf you poke around on TikTok you'll see videos from both truckers and longshoremen from both sides; for my money, it looks like it is the port, not the truckers. I saw the Flexport thread and that didn't gel with the countless videos I've seen of traffic jams of trucks, with truckers comparing timestamps on their receipts to see who's spent longer waiting for a box. Just popped in and this was among the first videos: https://www.tiktok.com/@juanolivares05/video/7021290877284814085?sender_device=pc&sender_web_id=7021427945575204357&is_from_webapp=v1&is_copy_url=0 https://www.tiktok.com/@juanolivares05/video/702129087728481... Maybe it is the truckers, maybe its the port. What I see in any video I've seen, is lines of trucks and boxes not being put on them, haven't seen the opposite.