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>One takes a couple minutes and the other is something requiring an hour or more of dedicated time per day for potentially years (or a whole lifetime! Nope. Yo

by fuzxi 5y ago

>One takes a couple minutes and the other is something requiring an hour or more of dedicated time per day for potentially years (or a whole lifetime! Nope. You don't have to dedicate time to exercising to lose weight, you can just eat less.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
You could even have mandates. Exclude them from eating at restaurants or fast food places and ensure they don't purchase too much or unhealthy food. Not only would it be for Their Own Good™, but if it saved just one innocent life due to reducing the load on the healthcare system, it would have been worth it. /s of course - I'm not a lunatic.
- wincy 5y ago
  For sure, and the government knows that meat is bad for you, and also sugar, and fat. You’re allowed to eat bland protein paste citizen, enjoy! I lost 80 pounds eating mostly hot dogs and kimchi. I doubt the government would prescribe that though.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Naturally the ruling class would be allowed to eat meat and desserts though. Their palates are sophisticated in ways you would fail to appreciate, pleb. And besides, you're just jealous that they're better than you.
  - stOneskull 5y ago
    meat is good for you.
    - 988747 5y ago
      Except hot-dogs contain almost no meat :)
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  >Not only would it be for Their Own Good™, but if it saved just one innocent life due to reducing the load on the healthcare system, it would have been worth it. There's so many people who seem to draw a completely arbitrary line between authoritarianism and paternalism despite them being exactly the same thing with different justifications. I don't care if it's "for my own good" or "because I said so", I oppose authoritarianism in general on principle rather than justifying authoritarianism towards things I happen to like with a different name.
  - LudvigVanHassen 5y ago
    This is the correct response.
slumpt_ 5y ago
Also not trivial, given the legitimate hunger and compulsion someone with an overeating problem may have after suffering with it for years. So yes, not an explicit time dedication, but you’re being pedantic at that point and the practical reality that a vaccine is a minimal inconvenience is reasonably unavoidable. Obviously exceptions exist, which is what medical exceptions are for etc etc.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  > Also not trivial, given the legitimate hunger and compulsion someone with an overeating problem may have after suffering with it for years. Yeah but you could just mandate it. Force them to eat small amounts. Fire them from their jobs, prevent them from traveling, and lock them out of civil society if they do not comply. Make them submit to weekly weigh-ins. They wouldn't like it of course, but neither do the people being coerced into taking vaccines. Point is it's for the greater good, and if reducing their load on the healthcare system saves just one life, it all will have been worth it. Right? I mean while we're just here completely making up values and cost/benefit out of thin air, we can mandate pretty much anything.
  - snovv_crash 5y ago
    Being fat isn't contagious. While it does increase medical load, it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load. We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed. It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      > Being fat isn't contagious. But it does tend to result in worse outcomes when you catch covid, which you can when you go eat at a restaurant. From the vaccinated patrons who can still transmit it. > it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load. The vaccinated can contract covid and can transmit it to other vaccinated though. So this can't be the reason to ban unvaccinated, because allowing the vaccinated to restaurants will also increase medical load. > We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed. Oh? It sort of seemed like it was since the science on natural immunity was being ignored. > It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.
bradknowles 5y ago
Nope. Doesn’t work that way. When you eat less, your body goes into starvation mode and burns fewer calories. And some bodies are extremely resistant to losing weight under any circumstances. Try doing the German prisoner of war diet for a year, and accurately track on a daily basis how many calories you eat, and how much weight you lose. Then you can come back and tell us your anecdote of how you personally respond to reduction of calories in your diet. And we can put that drop into the ocean of knowledge.
- fuzxi 5y ago
  That is a coping mechanism for the obese. It is simply not true.
  - kaibee 5y ago
    There's a pretty compelling case to be made that obesity is caused by some environmental factor that is making people hungrier. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/
    - yupper32 5y ago
      What in the world is that website? Why in the world would I read a website with zero credentials trying to push new ideas in science? There's not a single person or credentialed organization associated with the blog. This screams misinformation.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    The more I read about all the excuses obese throw out the more I realize they have so much in common with the anti vaxx do my research in on Facebook crowd. The simple fact is they both put strain on hospital systems and with their ignorance are putting others in danger and risk of not getting the much needed hospital bed.
    - fuzxi 5y ago
      That person linked his personal blog on his HN profile. I'll just say that I was not surprised by his photograph.
Aeolun 5y ago
Eating less is much more mentally intensive than taking a corona shot.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Ask some of my friends that are otherwise healthy and they'll say quite the opposite. (Full disclosure: I'm vaccinated and disagree wildly with them, but they are still my friends and these are very capable engineers/programmers, they just don't trust authorities in this case.)
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    Yeah, I don’t want to say bad things about people but… I’ve very recently found that a lot of very smart people are still quite capable of doubling down on stupid. It’s not even really wrong. They just weigh the risk disproportionately against the benefits (for the person themselves and society). I just cannot understand how a rational person can do that.
    - sangnoir 5y ago
      > I’ve very recently found that a lot of very smart people are still quite capable of doubling down on stupid Being consistently the smartest person in the room can lull some to believe they are smarter than everyone, everywhere, every time. Sometimes the lack of intellectual humility is an independent personality trait, but I've encountered a number of very smart people that held really weird beliefs which bordered on conspiracy thinking, but was self-reinforcing because they thought everyone else was not smart enough to cotton-on to "the man" (one believed in over-unity energy,the other one is basically synthesizing a new religion(/cult?) by gaining "insights" into "correct" aspects of multiple existing ones, whose current practitioner's "get it wrong" in one way or the other.)
      - billycorben2 5y ago
        I have found: The smarter I think I am, the dumber I behave.
burnished 5y ago
Food prep takes time. Even if we abandon looking at it as as a strictly energy in energy out situation, we probably still recognize that healthier foods take more time than unhealthy foods.
- fuzxi 5y ago
  >Even if we abandon looking at it as as a strictly energy in energy out situation There is no reason to abandon looking at it that way. Eating healthier will not result in you losing weight if your caloric intake remains the same. Feel free to continue eating $1 burgers, just eat fewer of them.
  - burnished 5y ago
    Read an interesting piece here on HN that suggested weight had other, perhaps more important elements, and that consuming fewer calories while using fewer of them was the symptom of something else. Sort of rocked my world because I had always sort of accepted/repeated the argument from thermodynamics and it really upended that world view.
jwiz 5y ago
In fact, that (caloric deficit) is the only way you lose weight.
bserge 5y ago
Yeah, eat less for months or years. Slightly harder than getting an injection.

by fuzxi 5y ago

throwawaylinux 5y ago

You could even have mandates. Exclude them from eating at restaurants or fast food places and ensure they don't purchase too much or unhealthy food. Not only would it be for Their Own Good™, but if it saved just one innocent life due to reducing the load on the healthcare system, it would have been worth it. /s of course - I'm not a lunatic.

wincy 5y ago
For sure, and the government knows that meat is bad for you, and also sugar, and fat. You’re allowed to eat bland protein paste citizen, enjoy! I lost 80 pounds eating mostly hot dogs and kimchi. I doubt the government would prescribe that though.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Naturally the ruling class would be allowed to eat meat and desserts though. Their palates are sophisticated in ways you would fail to appreciate, pleb. And besides, you're just jealous that they're better than you.
- stOneskull 5y ago
  meat is good for you.
  - 988747 5y ago
    Except hot-dogs contain almost no meat :)
BoxOfRain 5y ago
>Not only would it be for Their Own Good™, but if it saved just one innocent life due to reducing the load on the healthcare system, it would have been worth it. There's so many people who seem to draw a completely arbitrary line between authoritarianism and paternalism despite them being exactly the same thing with different justifications. I don't care if it's "for my own good" or "because I said so", I oppose authoritarianism in general on principle rather than justifying authoritarianism towards things I happen to like with a different name.
- LudvigVanHassen 5y ago
  This is the correct response.

slumpt_ 5y ago

Also not trivial, given the legitimate hunger and compulsion someone with an overeating problem may have after suffering with it for years. So yes, not an explicit time dedication, but you’re being pedantic at that point and the practical reality that a vaccine is a minimal inconvenience is reasonably unavoidable. Obviously exceptions exist, which is what medical exceptions are for etc etc.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
> Also not trivial, given the legitimate hunger and compulsion someone with an overeating problem may have after suffering with it for years. Yeah but you could just mandate it. Force them to eat small amounts. Fire them from their jobs, prevent them from traveling, and lock them out of civil society if they do not comply. Make them submit to weekly weigh-ins. They wouldn't like it of course, but neither do the people being coerced into taking vaccines. Point is it's for the greater good, and if reducing their load on the healthcare system saves just one life, it all will have been worth it. Right? I mean while we're just here completely making up values and cost/benefit out of thin air, we can mandate pretty much anything.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  Being fat isn't contagious. While it does increase medical load, it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load. We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed. It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    > Being fat isn't contagious. But it does tend to result in worse outcomes when you catch covid, which you can when you go eat at a restaurant. From the vaccinated patrons who can still transmit it. > it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load. The vaccinated can contract covid and can transmit it to other vaccinated though. So this can't be the reason to ban unvaccinated, because allowing the vaccinated to restaurants will also increase medical load. > We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed. Oh? It sort of seemed like it was since the science on natural immunity was being ignored. > It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.

bradknowles 5y ago

Nope. Doesn’t work that way. When you eat less, your body goes into starvation mode and burns fewer calories. And some bodies are extremely resistant to losing weight under any circumstances. Try doing the German prisoner of war diet for a year, and accurately track on a daily basis how many calories you eat, and how much weight you lose. Then you can come back and tell us your anecdote of how you personally respond to reduction of calories in your diet. And we can put that drop into the ocean of knowledge.

fuzxi 5y ago
That is a coping mechanism for the obese. It is simply not true.
- kaibee 5y ago
  There's a pretty compelling case to be made that obesity is caused by some environmental factor that is making people hungrier. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/
  - yupper32 5y ago
    What in the world is that website? Why in the world would I read a website with zero credentials trying to push new ideas in science? There's not a single person or credentialed organization associated with the blog. This screams misinformation.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  The more I read about all the excuses obese throw out the more I realize they have so much in common with the anti vaxx do my research in on Facebook crowd. The simple fact is they both put strain on hospital systems and with their ignorance are putting others in danger and risk of not getting the much needed hospital bed.
  - fuzxi 5y ago
    That person linked his personal blog on his HN profile. I'll just say that I was not surprised by his photograph.

Aeolun 5y ago

Eating less is much more mentally intensive than taking a corona shot.

skinkestek 5y ago
Ask some of my friends that are otherwise healthy and they'll say quite the opposite. (Full disclosure: I'm vaccinated and disagree wildly with them, but they are still my friends and these are very capable engineers/programmers, they just don't trust authorities in this case.)
- Aeolun 5y ago
  Yeah, I don’t want to say bad things about people but… I’ve very recently found that a lot of very smart people are still quite capable of doubling down on stupid. It’s not even really wrong. They just weigh the risk disproportionately against the benefits (for the person themselves and society). I just cannot understand how a rational person can do that.
  - sangnoir 5y ago
    > I’ve very recently found that a lot of very smart people are still quite capable of doubling down on stupid Being consistently the smartest person in the room can lull some to believe they are smarter than everyone, everywhere, every time. Sometimes the lack of intellectual humility is an independent personality trait, but I've encountered a number of very smart people that held really weird beliefs which bordered on conspiracy thinking, but was self-reinforcing because they thought everyone else was not smart enough to cotton-on to "the man" (one believed in over-unity energy,the other one is basically synthesizing a new religion(/cult?) by gaining "insights" into "correct" aspects of multiple existing ones, whose current practitioner's "get it wrong" in one way or the other.)
    - billycorben2 5y ago
      I have found: The smarter I think I am, the dumber I behave.

burnished 5y ago

Food prep takes time. Even if we abandon looking at it as as a strictly energy in energy out situation, we probably still recognize that healthier foods take more time than unhealthy foods.

fuzxi 5y ago
>Even if we abandon looking at it as as a strictly energy in energy out situation There is no reason to abandon looking at it that way. Eating healthier will not result in you losing weight if your caloric intake remains the same. Feel free to continue eating $1 burgers, just eat fewer of them.
- burnished 5y ago
  Read an interesting piece here on HN that suggested weight had other, perhaps more important elements, and that consuming fewer calories while using fewer of them was the symptom of something else. Sort of rocked my world because I had always sort of accepted/repeated the argument from thermodynamics and it really upended that world view.

jwiz 5y ago

In fact, that (caloric deficit) is the only way you lose weight.

bserge 5y ago

Yeah, eat less for months or years. Slightly harder than getting an injection.