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The Framework Laptop is now shipping
- filereaper 5y agoAny idea if we/when we can get a Ryzen based models? Ryzens have higher thread-counts and Vega Graphics outperforms Iris graphics. If this can be paired with Thunderbolt, I'd be super happy to purchase this laptop. The idea of swappable ports is great! Why not make a large 17" model with desktop components and even more ports?
- vngzs 5y agoRyzen tends to get better battery too. I read an article complaining about high temperatures and bad battery life, both of which tend to be significantly better on AMD hardware. Honestly, it's the only thing keeping me from ordering one today.
- truth_ 5y agoI would really like an AMD version, too. Buying Intel makes no sense now.
- speedgoose 5y agoMy Intel i9 gaming laptop is pretty good to keep food warm or dry my hair.
- decremental 5y agoIs it legal to sell something that looks almost indistinguishable from a MacBook? These responses to anyone pointing out how similar the design is are so disingenuous. Very strange!
- kevinherron 5y agoHuawei and others have been doing it for years. Google the “Matebook”.
- Ancapistani 5y agoI have a Matebook D, and I wouldn’t say it’s any more of a clone of a MacBook than any other manufacturer. Check out HP’s current line up. They seem to come in two flavors: “MacBook clone” and “MacBook clone, but in black”. https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/slp/optane/2-in-1-laptops?jumpid=ma_lt_featured_na_2_200816 https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/slp/optane/2-in-1-laptops?jump...
- 8note 5y agoI don't think I could distinguish it from any laptop. Do MacBooks come with a windows key?
- dylan604 5y agoUm, this thing has actual buttons, so clearly not a rip off of a MacBook. It also has what appears to be a dedicated power button. Also, this thing is user repairable. That's clearly not copied from Apple. Edit: so not a dedicated power button, but an integrated finger print reader. uh-oh, case is getting weaker ;-)
- ben-schaaf 5y ago> To make device security convenient, we also built a Windows Hello-compatible fingerprint reader into the power button It's both a dedicated power button and a finger print reader.
- dylan604 5y agoIt can't be a dedicated anything if you just used the word "both" implying it does 2 things.
- chipotle_coyote 5y agoSo, uh, like a MacBook? (For the record I'm not bothered by the similarities; I honestly think that if you go minimalist with your design language you kind of converge on this look. I would offer the gentlest of criticisms, though, in the way the up and down arrow keys are half-height but the left and right are full. That's another trend Apple started and it is bad. Ironically, Apple's current laptops are moving away from it again!)
- dylan604 5y agoActually, my 2019 Macbook has all 4 arrow keys half-height, but the left/right keys are bottom aligned with the down key rather than .keys { vertical-align: center; } I try my best to never use those keys.
- chipotle_coyote 5y agoThat was the first one that switched back, I think. Personally, I prefer that design to the full-height left/right and half-height up/down keys, because it's just easier for me to find the right arrows that way. (I'd prefer full height on all of them, but I recognize a laptop keyboard is space-constrained, at least if it's 13" or below. The 16" MBP has less excuse.)
- numpad0 5y agoApple nailed the “generic laptop” design with MacBook but they also has their own design language like the iconic fillets. I guess that’s how they draw a line and I guess that’s enough for each sides.
- wayneftw 5y agoThere's not a whole lot of trade dress to claim on aluminum rectangles. So that just leaves the logo.
- mromanuk 5y agoOMG, when the first picture on the website appeared, I thought it was a Mac. Isn’t it too look alike? I mean maybe they get sued or something, which would be sad, because I love the design and the idea
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- techrat 5y ago3:2 screen, windows key, fingerprint reader, non touchbar row, no gap in keyboard above the left and right arrow keys, much wider filet below the touchpad, no "Macbook" text below the screen, no speaker grilles to the left and right of the keyboard, enter key and backslash key appear 'merged' (common for iso supporting layouts)... ...and you thought it was a Mac?
- xzlzx 5y agoIt clearly looks like a mac. Let’s get real.
- nrp 5y agoFramework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.
- peregrine 5y agoAny plans for AMD or ARM processor options? The amd ryzen stuff has nearly good performance per watt that the M1 does. I really can’t see myself buying another intel processor for at least a few generations.
- nrp 5y agoNoted in other comments, but we have designed the mainboard to be replaceable and upgradeable by the end user to new CPU platforms. We haven't announced anything yet, but this is a core part of the design and architecture of the product.
- ChuckNorris89 5y agoYou seem to be misinformed. Everyone loves to hate Intel (and rightfully so) but Tiger Lake has better IPC and implicitly better single threaded performance than Ryzen. In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) it often comes on top of AMD. It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks because of the lower core count (everyone loves to flex Cinebench scores online, but I buy my laptop to use, not run benchmarks). Also, the iGPU in Tiger Lake is more modern and more powerful than the outdated Vega iGPU in Ryzen and it also has AV1 codec hardware decoding unlike Ryzen which is stuck at VP9. Add in Thunderbolt support and using Tiger Lake makes perfect sense for this form factor. Ryzen shines best in gaming laptops with discrete GPUs.
- Const-me 5y ago> In real world tasks (web browsing, opening an IDE) My real-world task is not opening an IDE, it’s using that IDE. Modern C++ compilers are using all available CPU cores just fine. > It only loses to AMD in multi threaded benchmarks These are the only workloads I care about. Not just compilation, many other things as well. You only need single-threaded performance for 2 things, for the stuff that’s inherently serial like gzip, or to run programs made more than 5-10 years ago. I don’t normally play games on a laptop, but even videogames use multiple cores for decades now, since the Xbox 360 / PS3 generation.
- 0235005 5y agoGreat! I hope you all the best. I know it's kind of a generic comment but I've been waiting so long for a computer like this, I really hope that your crush the market
- nrp 5y agoThanks! It really is long overdue, and we've seen a ton of enthusiasm from folks who have been waiting for this. It's all the more strange that laptops are so locked down, since desktop PCs are one of the few remaining consumer product categories where repair, upgrade, and customization are the norm.
- queuebert 5y agoThis would be perfect for me. I have a pile of Macs with various individual hardware failures that would never have been replaced had I been able to easily swap out new parts. (Not to mention the ridiculous hardware failure rate of Macs.) I also hate having machines with that one piece of hardware that doesn't work on *BSD, because getting it to work is such a pain. It would be much easier to swap out the offending hardware for something more compatible.
- tedk-42 5y agoHi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (when i need!) - I expect people might wish to swap out the motherboard/cpu combo. Also, can we expect a bigger version?
- nrp 5y agoThanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.
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- winter_blue 5y agoWhat is the likelihood of a 4K (like 3840x2400) screen option appearing anytime in the near future?
- nrp 5y agoWe don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.
- nitsky 5y agoAre you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.
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- fny 5y agoHoly crap, I was about to dish out for a 76, but this is the exact form factor I’m looking for.
- trixie_ 5y agoI like giving people a choice whether they want to buy something repairable/configurable or not. Minimal government intervention. Let the market decide.
- nrp 5y agoWe are fans of proving there is a market for this by building and selling it ourselves, but there are categories where the start-up costs for new entrants are impossibly high and the incumbents are actively opposed to repairability. Even for notebooks, the capital required is non-trivial.
- xpe 5y agoYes, it is nice when people have many choices. History and economics show that markets left to their own devices often give fewer choices than smart combinations of (markets & oversight).
- Dracophoenix 5y agoThe PC clones of the 80s and 90s beg to differ.
- xpe 5y agoExplain please? Beg to differ with what exactly?
- colordrops 5y agoThe DIY form jumps around after each selection is made, at least on mobile. Not fatal, but quite annoying.
- nrp 5y agoThanks for the report! We'll dig into it.
- colordrops 5y agoMore detail: It takes a couple seconds for the selection to register, and if you scroll after tapping but before it registers, it scrolls back to your original position.
- nrp 5y agoThanks! It turns out this was on our backlog, but we had deprioritized solving it. With the massive amount of traffic on the site today, the slowness makes it much easier to hit. We're reprioritizing fixing it.
- paxys 5y agoAny plans to sell one without a Windows license? If I bought one I'd immediately format it and run Linux, so would be nice to not have to pay the ~$100 extra.
- nitsky 5y agoMy framework DIY edition is arriving tomorrow. I’m so excited! I’ll be loading NixOS on it. :)
- nrp 5y agoExcellent! Let us know how NixOS goes.
- notpatio11 5y agoHey Nirav - Awesome project. I want to see this succeed. Can you talk a little bit about how you plan to keep this project inline with the original vision. I have purchased from/seen so many startups start with a great cause and good purpose, but then succumb to just simply "too good of offer" to pass up and eventually "pivoting" to something that is more lucrative. I believe that the the reason right to repair isn't adopted by more companies is simple... it's way better for the bottom line to control everything and increase profits. How do you guys plan on dealing with this in the long run, without becoming an Apple yourself?
- nrp 5y agoWe're building our business model to align incentives around product longevity. We want as many people using our products for as long as they possibly can. As a company, we benefit from that by continuing to develop new modules and upgrades and fostering the developing of compatible parts that can be sold through our marketplace. Even after an individual no longer needs their product, we want that product's life to extend by getting it refurbished or resold to the next consumer who can keep using it and participating in the ecosystem.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago$1400 for 16gb of ram and less power hungry cpu? I mean I like what you're doing here, but I might as well buy a Mac at that point.
- boltzmann_brain 5y ago> Iris Xe Graphics but why
- bschwindHN 5y ago> No inverted T arrow keys That was a showstopper for me for the older macbooks and still a showstopper now. It was so bad that Apple walked it back on the newer designs (though their newer magic keyboards still have this problem for some reason...)
- rplnt 5y agoI've been using MB Pro for almost 4 years now and I still miss-click those stupid half-keys. It's a no go for me too.
- Zachsa999 5y agoDamn once saw the swappable ports I suddenly needed a new laptop. Anyone want to buy a 1yo thinkpad?
- chana_masala 5y agoIf you're sincere - what are the specs?
- Zachsa999 5y agoYe it's the E15 with 8gb of ram and 4500u 6 core cpu. I think I'll hang on to it however, I don't think I could use a 13" laptop.
- dang 5y agoPast related threads: Framework Laptop – How ALL laptops should be made - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27925405 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27925405 - July 2021 (5 comments) Framework Laptop – pre-orders are now open - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143545 - May 2021 (16 comments) Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143076 - May 2021 (203 comments) Preparing for Pre-Orders! (Framework modular laptop) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052468 - May 2021 (79 comments) The Framework Laptop - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508 - Feb 2021 (991 comments)
- dexterous 5y agoI'd say that (https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=frame.work https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=frame.work) covers it. :)
- gregwebs 5y agoHow is the screen outdoors? Total brightness and glare are important factors here. IPS is good.
- nrp 5y agoI've been using it outdoors in the California sunshine. It goes up to 400 nit. It has an anti-glare coating, but it is still a normal glossy screen (meaning no matte layer added on top).
- octos4murai 5y agoCould you please share the exact screen measurements? I purchased one but strongly prefer matte screens so I’ll be trying to look for a matte screen protector that fits.
- nrp 5y agoWe haven’t tested this one, but the panel dimensions we have are the same as the 13.5” Surface Laptops: https://viascreens.com/screen-protector/microsoft/surface-laptop-3-13-5/matte https://viascreens.com/screen-protector/microsoft/surface-la...
- throwmanhands 5y agoSomething creepy about the hands in the animations. They look like man hands but they have nail polish and are somewhat feminine looking. I'm more confused and focused on them than the laptop.
- vzaliva 5y agoWhat about extending "right to repair" to OS software and supporting open source OS like Linux or FreeBSD? Current product page only lists Microsoft Windows. I do not see an option to purchase it without, so Microsoft tax seems to be collected :(
- pabs3 5y agoTry the DIY edition, which comes without an OS: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition
- nrp 5y agoThe Framework Laptop DIY Edition ships without an OS or OS license: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition We've been testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34 so far. The latest Fedora 34 respins actually have full functionality out of the box, including the fingerprint reader: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/ https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/
- throwhands77 5y agoSomething creepy about the hands in the animations. They look like man hands but they have nail polish and are somewhat feminine looking. I'm more confused and focused on them than the laptop.
- stickyricky 5y agoHave you sent out review units to any YouTubers?
- throwhands77 5y agonice things very nice things about this laptop
- liminalsunset 5y agoDoes Framework [the company] offer, or plan to offer internship opportunities for students at any point? As a student, I would love to have the ability to work at a company like Framework that is innovating for a good cause.
- nrp 5y agoWhen job offers were getting rescinded in summer 2020, we opened up an internship and brought in an awesome firmware intern. We didn't have the bandwidth this summer for interns (and the job market is much better), but it is something we'll do again in the future.
- sinsterizme 5y agoThe pluggable expansion card (usb, hdmi, storage, etc.) feature is SUCH a great idea! Great work, and congrats on the milestone
- marilyn2 5y agoThis is great! Was about to order an XPS or Thinkpad but think I'll go with this instead! How many external displays does it support? Would I need thunderbolt (would that just be a $9 adapter???)? I'd like to connect at least 3 external displays (so 4 total screens including the laptop). Is that possible? Thanks!
- nrp 5y agoYou can use up to four displays simultaneously, so three external displays along with the internal display would work. You can connect monitors directly using USB-C (with DisplayPort Alt Mode), DisplayPort, or HDMI Expansion Cards, or you can connect them through a dock.
- marilyn2 5y agoWill you be able to see different things on each of the monitors or will some of the displays show the same thing (e.g. mirrored mode)? Having multiple monitors is meaningless if they are just displaying the same thing.
- baybal2 5y agoNo thunderbolt on it. Thunderbolt is very hard to implement.
- nrp 5y agoIt's currently Schrödinger's Thunderbolt, but it'll collapse to an answer once we complete certifications.
- bubblethink 5y agoWhat type of wifi cards do these use ? Is it the cnvi type, which I think are semi-soldered ? Or is it the regular pcie type one ? Also, would like to see this reviewed by someone from the linux community (e.g., phoronix).
- nrp 5y agoWe use M.2 2230 WiFi cards, with both PCI-e and CNVi routed to the socket. For the pre-built systems, we install an AX201 card. For DIY Edition, we offer AX210 or you can bring your own card.
- noeltock 5y agoI thought this was for MacOS given the similar wallpapers on a bunch of the mockups.
- NileTheGreat 5y agoDo you plan to offer replacement parts for the mechanical components? I would love to purchase an extra clamshell for aesthetic customizations, like laser engraving, spray coating, repainting, etc.
- nrp 5y agoYes, absolutely, and we're really looking forward to seeing the ways people take advantage of that!
- naturalauction 5y agoVery specific question but how much is a replacement screen and can you do the repair yourself with just a screwdriver? I’ve somehow broken my screen twice with each of my last two laptops and at least for the MacBook, screen replacements were like $400 a pop.
- nrp 5y agoYou can replace the screen with just a screwdriver (in fact, the screwdriver we include in the box with every Framework Laptop). We haven't set pricing for this replacement module yet, but our general philosophy around repair part pricing is to make it the obvious choice to do the repair. Edit: This is actually one of the guides we published recently: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Display+Replacement+Guide/86?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Display+Replacement+Guide/86...
- victor9000 5y agoI've never dealt with captured case screws before, what happens if the screws get stripped? Is there a way to swap them out?
- nrp 5y agoWe use a T5 bit to make it really hard to strip, but in the event it ever does, you can remove the fasteners with a bit of effort and probably another tool to apply force to get the thread to bite.
- Frameworkscr 5y agoHello there, mr creator nrp-- if ThinkPad durability were 10, how many points would you give yourself? Thanks for taking the risk and creating this.
- nrp 5y agoI guess it would vary depending on the model of ThinkPad, but in general we follow the equivalent reliability test standards to what other laptop makers use for their premium models (e.g. the drop height and surface, hinge cycle count, etc).
- Frameworkscr 5y agoGuys, everything is modular, please respext the creator by asking intelkigent questions and NOT (when will you make a laptop eith x in place of y) (my username is new, i am not associated)
- edding4500 5y agoOh this is sweet! Any specs in the case? Is it fully aluminium? Too Bad I just baught a Thinkpad with the same price tag :(
- nrp 5y agoIt's 50% post-consumer recycled formed and milled aluminum, with some internal 30% post-consumer recycled plastic frame parts.
- Rd6n6 5y agoLouis Rossman looking at screenshots and speculating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZp8ErTTuk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZp8ErTTuk
- nrp 5y agoWe've since announced that we're making full schematics and assembly drawings available to independent repair shops who get Framework hardware in. We actually chatted with Louis a couple of times to get his feedback on the plan.
- nrp 5y agoLouis actually just put up a new video today on us! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2YjKYG8P58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2YjKYG8P58
- deathanatos 5y ago> We designed the adapter to be modular, with both the 1m AC cable and 2m USB-C cable detachable and replaceable, reducing waste in case your cat chews through one of them. Thank you. This is one of my chief annoyances with Lenovo's connector, and it smacks of planned obsolescence, since there is no other conceivable reason for it. I think every brick I've had has failed in the same spot: between the connector and cord at the laptop, which, of course, is the non-replaceable cable.
- nrp 5y agoYes! It seemed pretty obvious to us that this is the right way to go. Keeping the AC cable removable is also nice for international travel, since IEC C5 cables for different AC plug types are extremely inexpensive.
- stefandesu 5y agoOur cat likes to chew on cables if we're not careful, and he has already destroyed multiple cables including one older Apple MacBook charger which costs like $80 to replace if bought from Apple.
- selykg 5y agoBeen there... I try really hard to keep the cables hidden so she can't see them, and my office is a no fly zone for her. So far so good. But she's ruined something like $300-400 worth of cables. Worse is the risk of fire or electrocution that bothers me.
- chrisseaton 5y agoIsn't this exactly the same as Apple's design?
- rsynnott 5y ago-ish; the Apple one no longer comes with an AC extension, though you can still get them and attach them.
- proyb2 5y agoI’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice? “This product can expose you to chemicals including Nickel (Metallic), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Bisphenol A (BPA), which is known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov“
- mimsee 5y agoAren't these types of warnings everywhere in California? So much so that nobody takes them seriously as the warnings are everywhere.
- sschueller 5y agoIsn't BPA an issue mostly when it comes to food containers and drink holders. Specifically when holding hot items the BPA can leach into the food?
- dredmorbius 5y agoWell, for more information, you can go ot https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov The warnings are required by a 1986 statewide proposition, numbered 65, for chemicals posing chancer, birth defect, or other reproductive harm, and though they're obligatory only if the risk is greater than 1:100,000 over a 70 year lifespan, many companies feel it's safer to include the warnings regardless to avoid nondisclusure actions. https://askthescientists.com/qa/california-prop-65-warning/ https://askthescientists.com/qa/california-prop-65-warning/ You can find a similar listing for, say, Apple, Inc.'s products, running to 25 pages: https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Regulated_Substances_Specification_Sept2018.pdf https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Regulated_Substa... (PDF)
- dredmorbius 5y agos/chancer/cancer/
- 0des 5y ago>I’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice? Is that because these warnings are so ubiquitous they've lost all meaning?
- octos4murai 5y agoSomehow this is the first I’m hearing of this, and yet I have never hit buy so quick. Even if, heaven forbid, this company is no longer around in five years when I need new parts, just the ability to upgrade RAM, SSD, etc is so valuable.
- twoslide 5y agoIf enough people buy, then the supply of parts could be independent of the company itself, as third-party manufacturers would probably see an opportunity.
- nrp 5y agoAbsolutely. We see the health of the ecosystem as a positive end state for us, regardless of whether we're selling the most modules or third parties are. We're standing up a marketplace to help foster that.
- victor9000 5y agoThis device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to replace anything besides the SSD drive, everything else is soldered on. I'm in Batch 1 and can't wait to get my full purchase email. I seriously see this as an investment. I'll pay full price for a laptop once more, and then every other incident like this will just be parts and labor to get things back to square one.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.
- victor9000 5y agoCommon? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. Of course, but most consumers outside of tech enthusiasts have no idea which stuff in their laptop is upgradable, even when it is, so they just buy a new device whenever they want to upgrade, because that's how they've been conditioned by the industry. >It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires. Let's not give Tesla any ideas now. Joking aside, your comparison is not apples to apples. You can't easily upgrade the engine of your car from a four cylinder to a V8 if you need more power down the line, can you? Come to think of it, even upgrading the multimedia unit is a hassle in modern cars as each unit is locked to its production vehicle. On this note, when do we go after car manufacturers for this anti-consumer practice?
- gbh444g 5y agoPrice for the Pro version? I'd buy so long as it comes with Ubuntu/Debian.
- mateuszf 5y agoJust choose the DIY option
- zapdrive 5y agoWhy such hostility towards accepting crypto as a payment option? I'm sure you know there are payment processors that convert the crypto to cash in the bank with minimal effort. Your company's statement that you won't accept crypto because it is "bad for environment" seems more political than operational/technical.
- whitepaint 5y agoOh man, I really hope you guys have a huge success.
- squarefoot 5y agoThis is fantastic! The pluggable module concept makes it even more appealing. I can easily see a lot of development going in modules for various tasks (multi i/o audio/midi card, A/D signal analyzer/scope front end, LoRa transceiver, ECG analog interface, etc.) so that "only" 4 ports might one day even become a limitation. Seriously considering one. They will need to arrange with some resellers in the EU however, or shipping+import taxes could make it too costly.
- spuz 5y agoWould it be possible to design an expansion card with 2 USB C ports on it? It seems that there would be enough physical room.
- qwerty456127 5y agoI don't feel like buying it this time because I have just bought a rather good new laptop recently and don't have money to spare, but I really hope this isn't going to be a one-time single-batch device project. I will definitely lean towards this (if something like Purism won't beat it too hard) for the next laptop I buy.
- cconcepts 5y agoI hope you guys slay the market and are able to keep up with the demand that is coming at you. I hope this is the Tesla moment for the consumer electronics industry where the incumbents are forced, through the hubris yet popularity of an upstart, to start innovating again and doing what is good for humanity rather than peddling incrementally changed products each year that are designed to become obsolete within an ever-shortening timeframe because....it appears to be good for the bottom line. Good on you
- d--b 5y agoWell, I am not an Apple devotee, and I think that what you say is generally right. But Apple releasing M1 laptops kind of changed the game...
- Koshkin 5y agoWell, I am not an Apple devotee, either; moreover, my impression has been that, unlike IBM or Microsoft or Sun, neither Apple itself nor any of its products have so far made any impact on my life or work whatsoever. I may well be wrong, but I am not even sure if anything was much different had Apple never existed in the first place.
- jarpschop 5y agoYou're certainly not an iOS developer.
- seanalltogether 5y agoDoes the phone you carry in your pocket look more like a flip-phone, a blackberry, or an iphone?
- bhupy 5y ago> I am not even sure if anything was much different had Apple never existed in the first place. https://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/phones-before-after-iphone-x.jpg https://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/phones... https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-before-and-after-ipad.jpg https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-...
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- mateuszf 5y agoI wonder about the software though. - What kind of BIOS does it have? - Does it support coreboot? - Can Intel Management Engine be disabled? I was looking for something similar recently and have found StarBook MK V - https://starlabs.systems/pages/starbook https://starlabs.systems/pages/starbook. It supports coreboot and has most of Intel Management Engine voided. It's repairability looks good too: > Open warranty. Laptops designed for open-source software need open warranties. Our 1-year limited warranty allows you to take your laptop apart, replace parts, install an upgrade, use any operating system and even your own firmware, all without voiding the warranty.
- jonatron 5y agoCtrl+f for the first two questions
- mateuszf 5y agoOk, seems that the BIOS is proprietary, but they're planning to support coreboot in future.
- user_agent 5y agoRegardless of the questions stated, thank you for mentioning Starlabs Systems, @mateuszf. I’ll be looking for an Intel-ME-free laptop during my next purchase and I had no idea about that particular project.
- adminscoffee 5y agoif it produces less waste in the end, i am all for it. it's so sad seeing landfills with old electronics in them.
- kohlerm 5y agoThe Gizmodo review is odd. Comparing this to an M1 based Apple Laptop, with regards to battery performance? You could do that for every Intel/AMD laptop and they all will kind of suck. But if you do not want Apple or you need Intel/AMD than it is not really an argument. They also claim it runs hot, but Verge says something different.
- kybernetikos 5y agoThis looks really great, with some good choices for my kind of use - 3:2 screen, 1080 webcam, better than normal travel on the keys, and being able to easily upgrade memory and storage is a big deal. The reviews seem to be finding concerns with thermals while battery life and overall performance seems pretty so-so. I expect that battery life and performance could be improved through upgrading in the future, but it seems like thermals might be a difficult problem to fix.
- tinus_hn 5y agoInteresting that that is a good choice, a webcam and a screen that can’t display its images.
- kybernetikos 5y agoYeah, a webcam is generally for people on the other side of the video call, not for yourself.
- dbeley 5y agoHope it succeeds, the HN-crowd is obviously very tacky and already know some well established alternatives (used thinkpads, librem laptops, pinebook, MNT reform) that may be even better for a niche audience (open hardware, no management engine, trackpoint option, etc.), hence the criticism. But marketed directly to the people that buy all the "normal" laptops out there, it could be a great success.
- lyptt 5y agoShame it's not shipping to the UK yet. Hopefully it does soon.
- gnull 5y agoIs there a possibility to install more exotic peripherals like 4g modem (or a smartcard slot)? I don't see them mentioned anywhere, but I'd expect a hackable laptop to have these.
- cl3misch 5y agoThe concept sounds more like "user serviceable" than "hackable" to me. But still, knowing the physical dimensions of the slot and having the USB-C port itself providing retention, it should be straightforward for 3rd parties to design more peripherals.
- nrp 5y agoWe've actually released reference designs and documentation for the Expansion Card system under an open license: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards
- thefr0g 5y agoAre there other companies doing similiar projects? This is a good step in the right direction but there are some major drawbacks for me: - 3:2 screen makes the laptop bigger and adds space thats pretty much useless except for video editing I guess - No option without camera, mic and fingerprint reader - Intel CPU - Thin instead of robust - American company
- Karsteski 5y agoI had a surface pro throughout university and I found 3:2 to be perfect for productivity. Also it's nice to be able to see more code if you're into that. Why don't you like that they are American?
- thefr0g 5y ago> Also it's nice to be able to see more code if you're into that. I guess that depends on font scaling but if there is code that long there is usually something wrong with it :D I like to have views side by side but the 3:2 doesn't really help with that either (at least for code on 13") > Why don't you like that they are American? That usually complicates payment and shipping (at least with smaller companies) plus I don't really like (indirectly) supporting a government that thinks human rights are for citizens only.
- andrepd 5y agoShame it has no AMD configs, and also that I can't buy it without Windows.
- Karsteski 5y agoCheck the DIY edition, you can get it without paying for the windows license there
- blunte 5y agoGreat initiative, but who decided to put the user-hostile return/backslash keys together? Key gaps exist for a reason, and it's especially important on certain keys.
- smorrebrod 5y agoI believe this is to accomodate for ISO layouts. They build one chassis which is compatible ANSI and ISO.
- dredmorbius 5y agoHaving been delighted with a 13" e-ink display with roughly comparable display resolution, I've got to say "dayuuuuum" on the display specs. Aspect ratio, resolution, DPI, and nits all look excellent. (E-Ink differs notably in characteristics, but simply on density, 200+ DPI is amazing to look at.) The rest of the specs and design intent also look impressive. Very nicely done.
- sim_card_map 5y agoWindows only, no option to use linux instead. Pass.
- kaishiro 5y agoInstead of being so dismissive, you could have taken a few minutes to check the site. The DIY builds all allow you to drop Windows and roll your own OS: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition/configuration/edit https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition/configuration...
- rb666 5y agoPick DIY, select "None" for OS?
- loufe 5y agoThis is just plainly false. Take the time to read before spouting such negative drivel.
- RGamma 5y agoThis needs a trackpoint! Cool stuff.
- MichaelMoser123 5y agothe keyboard looks very fragile, like that of a macbook. For me these tend to develop problems after a years use. I am not very fond of this type of keyboards. The old thinkpads used to have a solid keyboard, but that was once upon a time.
- MichaelMoser123 5y agowow, here they tell you how to swap the new style lenovo keyboard for the solid old one. That's what i call a mod. https://www.instructables.com/ThinkPad-T430T430sX230-Classic-Keyboard-Mod/ https://www.instructables.com/ThinkPad-T430T430sX230-Classic... Unfortunately one also needs to swap the firmware for the top row of the keyboard to function. I wouln't dare to do all this, out of fear of thrashing the laptop. I suspect that these new fangled butterfly and chicklet style keyboards were especially designed as means to extract more money on inevitable keyboard repairs. (and don't dare to eat any potato chips in front of the keyboard).
- muixoozie 5y agoIt's removable at least [0] from the top-cover assembly with simple screws and not held in place by rivets like on the macbook [1]. [0] - https://youtu.be/AV2umY3R0vw?t=288 https://youtu.be/AV2umY3R0vw?t=288 [1] - https://youtu.be/ETxpfY2nhDk?t=138 https://youtu.be/ETxpfY2nhDk?t=138
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoThere's lots of opinions around this (looks down at robust comment section). If enough people want the device, they will buy it, and support the effort. Time will tell. I wish them luck. This has been a true labor of love.
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- pentae 5y agoI really hope Dave2D does a review of this laptop to increase awareness about it. It's a great concept and they deserve success
- anentropic 5y agoI think I like the 3:2 aspect even more than the modularity!
- teddyh 5y agoNo RYF certification, no sale.
- throwawaycuriou 5y agoPetty but I'd like the ability to replace that Windows meta key.
- swalsh 5y agoSuper disapointed. Just a few weeeks ago I bought a macbook pro with an M1 from Apple, it's kind of the default choice at the moment. I love the concept of this laptop so much though. If it was available when I was making my choice, I would have seriously considered it as an option.
- okamiueru 5y agoI would think apple products are the antithesis to the Framework laptop. How can you go from the M1 being "the default choice", and being disappointed that this wasn't a possibility? Wouldn't there have been a myriad of other choices closer to the Framework laptop, than the M1?
- swalsh 5y agoIt's a love/hate relationship. I hate the closed nature of Apple, but it's a superior build quality. This laptop looks like it offers both.
- okamiueru 5y agoI see. I suppose that might make sense. I would personally trust the ThinkPads to have higher build quality than a non-battle tested new brand. But, then again, I would also consider the ability to change a faulty part as part of the build quality equation, and as such rank apple products much further down than most.
- AdmiralAsshat 5y agoSubmitted this yesterday, didn't get much traction though. Gizmodo's review was mixed. https://gizmodo.com/i-wanted-to-love-framework-s-modular-laptop-but-it-s-g-1847339409/ https://gizmodo.com/i-wanted-to-love-framework-s-modular-lap...
- eplanit 5y agoThat review is indeed lukewarm, but lists not one specific gripe as to anything wrong or not working. It's really a worthless review.
- dnadler 5y agoI'm pretty excited about this laptop, but that review does list some specific complaints. Here's a couple lines from the conclusion of the review: > The Framework laptop offers an awkward port selection to make way for its expansion slots, and it doesn’t have the best battery life. It’s also concerning that the computer runs so hot.
- octos4murai 5y agoI just read the review. The specific gripes they had are: (1) subpar battery life, (2) middling performance compared to others with the same CPU/RAM configuration, (3) loud fan noise akin to a gaming laptop, and (4) uncomfortably high temperatures on load.
- culopatin 5y agoThis review sounds overly negative. I don't have much interest in either party but it mentions the laptop got to 106f and said "too hot to touch". Well, that's only 41c. If 41c was too hot to touch, some fevers would burn your skin. Then it mentions that the fn keys area was at 96f. That's body temp. A phone taken out of a pocket will probably be around the same temp and we are not complaining it's too hot. Little details like that make me think they had some kind of negative bias towards the device and it is not clear why. I am not defending the device since I haven't used it, but that review reads like "yeah whatever I guess I'll review it, but if it's not perfect I'll trash it". I guess we'll have to wait for these first batches to go out to see what problems are actually a nuisance
- eplanit 5y agoGodspeed to framework! When you have a linux version I'll buy one.
- nrp 5y agoWe currently have the Framework Laptop DIY Edition, which ships with no OS installed. We're in the process of writing guides for Ubuntu 21.04 (works out of the box except fingerprint) and Fedora 34 (works entirely out of the box on the latest re-spin images!).
- eplanit 5y agoGreat! Thank you.
- tablespoon 5y agohttps://frame.work/products/laptop https://frame.work/products/laptop > Display > 13.5” 3:2 > 2256x1504, 100% sRGB color gamut, and >400 nit I approve.
- wellpast 5y agoI wish we could do this with houses.
- naktinis 5y agoVery excited to see modular and repairable tech in production! Just wanted to make a top-level comment in support of a trackpoint option. Given modular design and the Marketplace it could make sense to have a simple drop-in replacement for the keyboard module that would potentially lure many hardcore Thinkpad fans.
- kup0 5y agoI really, REALLY hope this takes off. This would be my ideal laptop
- vbezhenar 5y agoAbsence of Xeon with ECC support is a pity.
- hmm320 5y agoIf you guys could just happen to make laptops that are relatively easy to put hackintosh onto, that would be awesome
- ValentineC 5y agoI think the ball is in Apple's court, since it looks like macOS currently doesn't support hardware acceleration for Intel's new Xe Graphics. Fingers crossed that Apple still releases Intel MacBooks this year with their 11th generation chips.
- grae_QED 5y agoI wish they had a transparent or even translucent option for the case. I think that that level of honesty, where a company can show off the internals of a product with confidence, is very much missed. Plus, considering the complexity of the hardware, it would look amazing with a transparent case. It'd be almost like swiss watch.
- throwuxiytayq 5y agoThe fact that it has a 3:2 screen makes me IMMENSLY happy. Hope they manage to eat up some of the MS Surface userbase.
- anoncow 5y agoIs the webcam upgradable?
- nrp 5y agoWe've designed it to be easy to replace: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Webcam+Replacement+Guide/87?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Webcam+Replacement+Guide/87?... We don't currently have any plans for a new version of that module, but it would be upgradeable if we did in the future.
- Causality1 5y agoShame they don't offer a touchpad with separate buttons. I will never understand why people tolerate clickpads. They're just ok with not being able to feel where the dividing line between left and right clicking is? The way the pointer slightly jiggles every time they click doesn't bother them?
- bombcar 5y agoI can’t figure out how to click and drag on them! I can click, I can move the pointer, but switching between those seems to unclick.
- augusto-moura 5y agoWell, I'm not sure about repairability of the case, but I suppose that after buying you can always buy/hack your own build with separate buttons. This is the beauty of full repairable hardware If this is a popular idea you can even monetize pre-built touchpads
- CivBase 5y agoBetween this and the Steam Deck, there sure is a lot of new techcoming out that I wish I had a good excuse to buy.
- arendtio 5y agoI really like the replaceable USB-C ports. From my smartphone I know, these things wear-off when being used multiple times per day and being able to simply replace them is much more useful than it might look like at first sight.
- Aachen 5y agoI hear this a lot but only from people with USB-C. Sure, on occasion you'd also hear someone who broke their mobile micro-USB or even USB-A laptop ports, but usually that was from bending the connector accidentally if I remember correctly. As someone with zero problems finding the correct orientation (it's both tactile and visual) who is in the market for a new phone, makes me wonder if I should look for one with micro-USB again. Replacing that port sounds like hell, and I use devices at least 4 years so if C is prone to wearing I'd definitely have to.
- eric__cartman 5y agoPersonally I've had more micro-USB connectors and cables fail than USB-C. Maybe it's just luck, but USB-C has been extremely reliable in my experience.
- jdc0589 5y agoim on year two with a USB-c phone and the only issue I have is having to pick pocket lint out of it every couple of months.
- arendtio 5y agoMicro USB was definitely worse than USB-C. For context: I am someone who still has a 9 years old smartphone in use (not exclusively). So for the normal 24 months usage the connectors might suffice, but I prefer solutions which are either easily replaceable or hold longer like wireless charging for example.
- Aachen 5y agoJust one year of warranty? I should hope their hardware lasts longer than that on average. Is that actually legal to sell to EU customers? The EU minimum on new electronics is 2 years, and the Netherlands has an unlimited period so long as you could reasonably expect it (which shops then translate as 2 years, but if it dies one day after then you aren't necessarily out of options).
- nrp 5y agoWe'll be complying with all local requirements around warranty as we add additional countries. We'll be offering extended warranties in the future, but we're allowing for time in market for us to be able to price that appropriately.
- Aachen 5y agoThanks! I read after posting the comment that you currently don't ship to the EU in the first place, so that makes sense. Great to hear you'll support the longer warranty requirement! I'm super thrilled to see this design, it's really cool. Particularly the adapter thing, I can't believe I've never seen or thought of that solution before, it's so much better than loose dongles. Personally 13" isn't for me though, but I saw the reply to people asking for a larger version elsewhere in the thread. For now I've linked it to some friends, perhaps they're interested in the 13" version :) All the best, I would love to get a Framework laptop in the future!
- flowerlad 5y agoThe screen resolution, sadly, is only 2256x1504. This is not retina. I don't get how new laptops can be sold today with non-retina screens. The most common resolution these days is 1920x1080. My current laptop is Samsung ATIV Book 9, which is more than 5 years old. The 13" screen is 3200x1800. The best screen ever made. Possibly the best laptop ever made. The industrial design, the backlit keyboard, touchpad, everything is perfect. Sadly even Samsung does not make laptops like this anymore.
- lalaithion 5y agoThe 13 inch macbook pro is only 2560x1600. The PPI of this device is 200, according to my calculations, so it's not totally unacceptable.
- flowerlad 5y agoI saw a Surface laptop at Costco last weekend, which is also 2256 x 1504, and I could see individual pixels. My current 5-year-old Samsung has spoiled me, I can't use a laptop where individual pixels are discernible. If this tech was available 5 years ago (and at a low price) why has the industry gone backwards?
- mindcrime 5y agoReally happy to see this news. I hope these folks succeed. I'd order one right now if I hadn't just bought a new System76 machine a month or so ago. Still, if I can find some free disposable cash anytime soon, I might order one anyway, just to support the concept and to have a spare machine. I'm sure I could use an extra machine for something-or-other.
- alimbada 5y agoShame there's no AMD option.
- stronglikedan 5y agoOne of the pics on the product page indicates that this may be able to be opened to lay flat, but I don't see a definitive spec regarding how far it opens. Anyone know if this is the case?
- FullyFunctional 5y agoThis looks great. My only comment is whether the population for whom this is interesting wouldn't be more likely to want Linux? I suspect the focus on Windows is misplaced. I might get one, but I'd want 100% Linux support, notably wrt. power management. EDIT: language
- tele_ski 5y agoThe faq says they'll support main distros, but power management with Linux is always not great in my experience, hopefully it works out!
- yewenjie 5y agoIs TLP not enough? I would be curious to know how else people manage power on laptops here.
- SkyMarshal 5y agoPoP!_OS would be worth trying, it's built for laptops, could probably do power management well on this one.
- rodolphoarruda 5y agoI visited the website just to check which distro they were using. I was surprised when I saw the only two "distros" available. LOL
- nrp 5y agoDefinitely. We ship the Framework Laptop DIY Edition without an OS under the expectation that folks will bring their preferred distro. We're testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34, and the recent respins of the latter have full Framework Laptop support out of the box.
- muixoozie 5y agoI'm going to try to install another distro on it. Is there anything I (or the open source community at large) can do to help test or add support?
- freeopinion 5y agoStill no Ryzen option? Pass.
- mixmastamyk 5y agoThis is awesome but Windows? Should ship with Linux option, it isn’t hard. Other nitpicks: - USB C Module should have two ports at least. - Ports in the back, who wants a monitor cable sticking out the side? No one does this anymore. - Waiting for larger screen. Props for 3:2 screen and modules.
- waynesonfire 5y agogreat design. looks like the 2015 mac book pro. i'll continue to use mine until the wheels fall off.
- d0100 5y agoIs the keyboard also modular? I really dislike chiclet keyboards
- codedokode 5y agoIt must be a lot of work to design a laptop. The PCBs look very complicated and the components are tiny. What I don't really like is the price. I think a good laptop should cost somewhere around $400. It is not necessary to install the most expensive CPUs because they usually have lower performance to cost ratio than cheaper models. Webcam, fingerprint reader and Wifi 6 are not necessary. The laptop doesn't have space for a HDD which means that user has to buy an expensive SSD storage. 13 inch screen is too small to work with code or texts. Also, modern websites have gigantic font size so only several lines of text would fit on such a small screen. 64 Gb RAM limit is higher than most of laptops which is good. But why not 128 or 256 Gb? It it difficult to add several more address lines? They have written that they would love to hear a feedback on keyboards. Well, here you go. Sadly the keyboard is a Latin-oriented 26-letter model. Russian language has 33 letters so I would prefer a 33-letter keyboard with two dedicated keys for switching layouts. This means that 9 new keys should be added. Currently nobody makes such keyboards, even Apple. Manufacturers seem to have no interest in adapting keyboards to needs of Russian users and instead use inconvenient 26-letter western keyboards. Adding more keys for me seems more important than unnecessary back light. Also, I think it would be better to make up/down keys larger and make Home/End/PageUp/PageDown as separate keys. These keys are useful for browsing or editing texts. On the other hand, CapsLock is useless and can be removed. The touchpad doesn't have buttons. How does one do a right or middle button click?
- shurikdima 5y agoAs someone who lives in Russia, by the end of your second paragraph I was thinking to myself "This guy must be Russian". and I was right. I swear, Russians bitch about everything. no matter how good something is, some Russian will find something to complain about.
- codedokode 5y agoYes, but I tried also to be useful and suggested the ideas for improving the keyboard.
- codedokode 5y agoRegarding screen, they write: > A high resolution 3:2 aspect ratio display lets you fit more code and creativity on-screen at once. I doubt one can edit code on a 13 inch screen. Even 15 inch screen is too small for IDEs.
- Teknoman117 5y agoIs there any public documentation about the expansion card interface? Is it USB 3 or Thunderbolt or something custom? The storage expansion card says it's using USB 3.2.
- nrp 5y agoWe need to put out more documentation around the host side of it, but it is USB4, supporting DisplayPort Alt Mode on all four ports. For Thunderbolt, we can't state anything until we can complete certifications. For the device side, we've published open source reference designs to let folks develop their own cards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/expansioncards
- caeril 5y agoedit: Sorry, I missed that. Thanks.
- crollywood 5y agoWindows is not mandatory at all? You can literally combine whatever you want in the laptop, including the preinstalled windows or not. Look under the DIY section
- 100011_100001 5y agoIf you go to the DIY section you can choose to not get an OS.
- mkoryak 5y agoThere is a bug on their configuration website where you get to the step with all the expansion cards and you get kicked out back to the main site. I wonder how many sales they are losing
- fmx 5y agoSpeaking of website bugs, whenever I change any options on https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy- https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy- edition/configuration/edit it reloads a page, scrolling to the top. Probably not something that would stop me from buying if I was going to, but annoying nonetheless.
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- canadaduane 5y agoHow easy is it to replace the battery--for example, can I carry an extra battery around in my backpack and expect to swap it at a coffee shop, or is it necessary to bring tools / do it on a workbench?
- novok 5y agoPretty exciting! A few questions: Why are the higher end cpu options so much more when the price difference is only about $100 according to intel and they all have the same core count? Do you plan to offer 6 core or more versions? AMD zen 3 or 4? Im guessing you will release a version with 12th cpus in the future? Will you have a version with two m.2 storage slots and maybe a bigger battery? A version with lpddr5 in the board? Are the usbc slots also thunderbolt 3 or 4 slots like a macbook pro? How is egpu support?
- z3ugma 5y agoDoes it look to anyone else like all the screen images on the website are pasted on in Photoshop, with some slightly misaligned angles that hit prime "uncanny valley"?
- nrp 5y agoWe actually do take photos with the screen on, but we use super bright studio lighting photography, which makes it hard to get enough dynamic range to show both the product and the display well. In the future, we'll take the time to build a flow to do stacking with multiple exposures for product photography, but for now for some of the images we just used a screenshot and composited. You can go onto our blog to find some of the display-on photos, like in this post: https://frame.work/blog/1080p-webcam https://frame.work/blog/1080p-webcam
- pkulak 5y agoBit of an Escher thing going on here: https://images.prismic.io/frameworkmarketplace/cca31de3-3b75-4932-af96-7646b7eba6c7__DSC3630-Edit-cropped.jpg?auto=compress,format https://images.prismic.io/frameworkmarketplace/cca31de3-3b75...
- kyledrake 5y agoThere really needs to be an option to include Linux or even just no OS. It's really frustrating to have to pay the Microsoft tax for something that's supposed to give me a choice and modularity.
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- md2020 5y agoThere is in the DIY option, but I agree it’d be nice to have the Linux/no OS option in the pre-built as well.
- g_delgado14 5y agoYou can choose "bring your own / no OS" option when you build your own.
- buu700 5y agoOn a related note, Libreboot would be a killer feature for these things. If I'm being honest, there's very little chance of me leaving my M1 MBA for anything other than another Apple Silicon machine any time soon. That being said, a modular laptop that was also fully open would be very tempting, particularly if it were otherwise competitive (in terms of portability, performance, battery life, display quality, etc.). All of that would probably also require supporting next-gen desktop ARM SOCs (like the 8cx, but from the future), or waiting for x86 to catch up and then copying Purism in neutralizing Intel ME / AMD PSP.
- nrp 5y agoWe agree! The Framework Laptop DIY Edition comes without an OS or OS license: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition
- kyledrake 5y agoOkay this is a really awesome project. Thanks for the info.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y agoToo bad the arrow keys are gimped and the edit cluster are multiplexed like 99% of other laptops. These aren't netbooks. It wouldn't kill them to use the available real estate for a better keyboard layout.
- airstrike 5y agoIt's a shame that the pre-configured versions don't offer the flexibility of not having to pre-install and pay for Windows. Seems like a surprising proposition given how customizable everything else about this product is.
- infogulch 5y agoSo just get a DIY model? It's really not hard to install RAM, wifi, and an M.2 drive, and it comes with the only tool you need in the box.
- PostThisTooFast 5y agoDoes this thing have Thunderbolt? I don't see a mention of it.
- Diti 5y agoI hope the French keyboard (AZERTY) will be the standardized AFNOR layout, NF Z71-300 [1], and not the old non-standard layout. [1]: https://norme-azerty.fr/en/ https://norme-azerty.fr/en/
- leucineleprec0n 5y agoIn this thread: “do you think you all will/can/ ship an [even more niche feature fully several orders of magnitude more difficult to make profitable than the product’s existing value offering right as it is shipping, from a startup to boot]. Seriously guys [some commentators], what the hell. They did a good job, I mean I’d consider it independent of the modularity benefit which I don’t care overly much about - if only because it’s bloat free, sports a very pragmatic design without being obtuse and frankly it’s high time PC oem’s had more pressure. With this being their only product there’s a chance QC ends up proving superior to premium laptops from HP, Dell, etc. Certainly these guys’s track record so far doesn’t instill any doubt! Great job, @ the Framework founders. I love to see any innovative angles or iterations possible in the PC space these days.
- esel2k 5y agoThinkpad X1 user here, but would change to the framework as it is upgradable. My problem is the black lines between the exchangeable port - why not just make a black / matt black version? These exchangeable port look so big not giving the choice to have 2 USB C, 1 USB a and 1 Hdmi. That would be my min configuration. Cheers from switzerland (swiss german keyboard necessary;))
- Valakas_ 5y agoHey guys, love your idea. Just a question about the keyboard. Any particular reason why the keys |\ are making the Enter key smaller and not the left Shift? Personally prefer a big enter than a big shift. I don't have issues finding the small shift, but I do have trouble finding the small Enter without looking at the keys.
- beckman466 5y agoI'm pretty fucking excited about this! Fully modular laptop!