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Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO
- BelenusMordred 5y agoThings like this show there really should be a significant cost to wasting the courts time and that it simply doesn't exist right now.
- medstrom 5y agoLet's be clear that there is, for individuals. For firms maybe not, but they could also rely on just never going to court - because it costs too much for who would take them to court.
- JI00912 5y agoThe costs are the same for companies. Large companies like rich individuals do OK, small companies and poor people go under. It's pay to win.
- Hamuko 5y agoIn sensible places, they'd at least be on the hook for both sides' legal fees.
- astrange 5y agoThey are in the US. Not that you need a lawyer to file a counter claim.
- willyt 5y agoIn Britain there’s the concept of a ‘vexatious litigant’ a person or other entity who makes frivolous legal actions for purposes other than seeking redress for a wrong that has been done to them. You can be put on a register which makes it much harder to bring legal actions in future. There is a broad civil law legal principle that damages paid to you should put you back to where you started before the bad thing happened. So you can’t take out a legal action to get revenge on someone or to frighten them. This is also why we don’t have punitive damages here.
- Glavnokoman 5y agohow about each of us writes a very polite letter to those guys explaining why this was a bad idea?
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- rolph 5y agothis could get very interesting if a lot of people get such a copyright notice, and any actual damages follow, such as ISP disconnection
- gabereiser 5y agoThis is why DMCA is broken. Too easy for false claims. It’s plagued the music industry, YouTube, and now free software.
- _trampeltier 5y agoI went to a store recently and asked why they haven't a product I ordered a time ago, listed on the website anymore. She said, she used pictures from the producing company. But now she got a letter, so she is now not anymore allowed to use the pictures. She can't make all pictures by herself because there are so many models and colors, so she just stop sell products from that brand complete. I didn't ask if it was really the company itself or just a lay firm.
- aurizon 5y agoShoot in foot, nail to the floor, repeat on other foot. It is quite possible that a free lance copyright drone did this. The company would hardly do it to themselves = kill all sales as per example.
- _trampeltier 5y agoI think about to write a mail to the company, because I would like to buy a product again and I also wonder about what they say about the story.
- aurizon 5y agoYes, it would be interesting. This copyright trolling based on false rights has become a growth industry. Almost all you tube creators have stories to tell about fake trolling DMCA demands. Every new you tube creator is assured of being trolled and unless they are able to get them to back down, the trolls grab the monetization revenue portion youtube grants. I had this happen to me. I made an original cat video and put it up, it was challenged by a troll, and I was unable to reach a human to redress matters, so I just removed it. I later found that someone had copied it and was monetising it for themselves. Since it was just a cute thing I did a few years ago and not my living income I too the fuckit POV and never bothered again.
- azalemeth 5y agoCan Canonical get involved on this person's behalf?
- joshuaissac 5y agoI would imagine so, because the firm's bogus notices are detrimental to Canonical, the copyright holder. But the recipient is not interested in responding to the claim. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nkztyv/comment/gzfsi7s https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nkztyv/comment/gzfsi...
- jonatron 5y agoLink to image, because reddit is slow: https://i.redd.it/jzf5jegdyb171.png https://i.redd.it/jzf5jegdyb171.png
- trhway 5y agointeresting that Comcast immediately directs the user to delete the file and doesn't even list an option to counter the claim. The trolls are constantly looking and probing for a weak spot, and with high probability they have just found another one - large stupid ISPs like Comcast. Now they only need to scare Comcast into automating the disconnections YouTube style and/or collecting the small settlement fee under the threat of disconnection (or for reconnection) and bingo - perpetuum mobile of a money printing machine.
- sidewndr46 5y agoFrom what I remember Comcast already has the "Sandvine" technology that automatically disconnects torrent clients. I have no idea if it is in use any longer.
- tenebrisalietum 5y agoThat was easily sidestepped in a Linux router by telling iptables to ignore RST,RST packets on the Bittorrent port.
- elliekelly 5y agoThat is interesting. Does the DMCA not require the takedown notice to inform of the right to file a counter-notice? I always assumed it did because that seems to be the usual practice. I wonder if Comcast is being unusually aggressive in their interpretation/lax in their compliance or whether most companies are going beyond what is required in their takedown notices?
- durnygbur 5y agoOne doesn't know how stressful and infuriating these copyright notices are until one lived in a country with internet hijacked by copyright predators. From the moment of receiving such notice there is only stress, misinformation, and verbal abuse. Thanks Americans. PS. It doesn't matter you downloaded free software, every person you'll contact in the process of straightening this out will be equally clueless and abusive.
- newsclues 5y agoI live in Canada and laugh when I get copyright emails for torrents.
- NullPrefix 5y agoIs suing for moral damage out of the question?
- max_hammer 5y agoIn Germany, thier is a whole army of lawyers seeding copyrighted material on torrents to extract money
- ComodoHacker 5y agoHas any other lawyer tried to sue them?
- durnygbur 5y agoBoth copyright predator and counter copyright predator industries are huge in Germany. These two together will absorb any volume of money you'll throw at them.
- andi999 5y agoIt is legal as far as I understand.
- ComodoHacker 5y ago
- 2Gkashmiri 5y agoDoes the link to alledged infringing content say what? It would be interesting to see what they say is their copyright which was violated by ubuntu.iso
- boomboomsubban 5y agoThe copyright holder doesn't need to provide that level of information to send a copyright claim, they just need to say that a violation has occured.
- BiteCode_dev 5y agoThat is so messed up. A non state institution can non only claim you committed an offense, but it doesn't even have to justify itself.
- rolph 5y agoyes messed up, how could we point this the other way? if we held a copyright to kittehpix and took measures to monitor for infringement, could we not just claim that opsec has been flagrantly and repeatedly violating our copyright and have thier ISP disconnect opsec. It all seems to be set up "sos a good old boys word is all thats nessecary" fashion
- NmAmDa 5y agoIs there a chance that someone take them to the court for this false claim?
- Mindwipe 5y agoNo, you have to demonstrate that it is actually in bad faith rather than just a cock up, and that's not going to happen (especially given it very likely is just a cock up).
- finalis 5y agohttps://www.opsecsecurity.com/opsec-online/antipiracy-digital-media https://www.opsecsecurity.com/opsec-online/antipiracy-digita... From their own website: "Accurate Multi-Level Verification Use swift and accurate multi-level cyber verification techniques to confirm copyright infringement" It sure doesn't sound to me like a company that would like it on record that they aren't as good as they think they are. Have them publicly admit the cock up.
- croutonwagon 5y agoAnd yet....they arent even in DMARC reject mode.. https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=dmarc%3aopsecsecurity.com&run=toolpage https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=dmarc%3aopsecsec... But they are getting their own forensics feeds. This seems to me that they are willifully staying in p=none so they can try and have plausible deniability should these things get public.
- zozbot234 5y agoThey have to state under penalty of perjury that they're authorized to act on behalf of the owner of some relevant right. While that might not necessarily involve the right to the Ubuntu ISO itself (e.g. they might have pattern-matched something else that they're acting on behalf of) they do need some good cover story to avoid perjuring themselves.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
- optimalsolver 5y agoHmmm. Linux, and intellectual property. I should say my personal hobby is walking into libertarian communities, asking if there's such a thing as intellectual property, then walking out whistling.
- gspr 5y ago> Hmmm. Linux, and intellectual property. What are you trying to say?
- salawat 5y agoLicensing and copyleft are a necessary aberration because even if you are a hardliner that IP isn't a thing, enough of the world is staked into it, all you can do is try your best and play the civil disobedience card as harrd and often as possible. It's not even a debate as at this point. More just sadness.
- flyingfences 5y agoYou might be interested in reading Stephan Kinsella's Against Intellectual Property [0] for the libertarian take on the matter. https://mises.org/library/against-intellectual-property-0 https://mises.org/library/against-intellectual-property-0
- qualudeheart 5y agoBased.
- Tabular-Iceberg 5y agoDon't speak in riddles, use plain language and explain your position.
- TheGigaChad 5y agoHave you tried walking into a highway and walking out?
- fabbari 5y agoInteresting tidbit: the hash they have for the infringed work it's the correct hash for ubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso [0] - this removes any good faith argument on their part. There is an infinitely small chance of collisions - but I would like them to produce a DMCA notice with the actual name of the infringed upon protected media, not just the hash. I believe Canonical should step in, since this is someone claiming to act to protect their interests. [0] https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index Edit: searching for the hash returns two odd links; the first one is indexed by Google as a link to a software - Rebirth - that comes under the same hash as Ubuntu [1]; the other is the usual Lumen link for removed content [2] -- a DMCA notice from Disney. Could this be a case of "automated DMCA notice" gone wrong? [1] https://kat.rip/torrent/4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533a16a.html https://kat.rip/torrent/4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533... [2] https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/22636605?access_token=wUUjcNCAcirZCscdqJ8J4g# https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/22636605?access_token=...
- mijoharas 5y agoI was interested and also searched the hash ( 4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533a16a ). I didn't see the second link you posted? and I can't find the hash by CTRL+F on the page when clicking the link? Am I missing something?
- ProtoAES256 5y agoIt's on the [0] link, with the line 4ba4fbf7231a3a660e86892707d25c135533a16a ubuntu-20.04.2.0-desktop-amd64.iso 2.67GiB 120 8 1 2.67GiB
- mijoharas 5y agoyep, but the comment I replied to said they searched for the hash and found [2] (I presume they searched on google from context). When I search for the hash I don't find [2] coming up in my search results, and when I click through to [2] I don't see the hash in the page.
- hiisukun 5y agoRelated, an interesting side effect of CGNat use by ISPs with limited IPv4 space is an unreliability (without spending slightly more effort/money) in determining which customer was downloading at a particular time.
- aequitas 5y agoISP's already need to keep that accounting for "normal" abuse handling and a lot of countries have data retention laws, so I doubt it will make any difference.
- marcodiego 5y agoIf companies which send copyright notices had to pay a hefty fine for each mistake they make, online world would be a bit of better place. Also the victim should receive a reasonable indemnization, as a way to encourage sharing of content.
- mywittyname 5y agoI doubt it, they'd probably end up with some pausible deniability framework in place that still funnels the upside to them while eliminating any downside risk. Maybe if copyright claims needed to be bonded to cover any counter claims, it might get somewhere.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y agoHow could they possibly argue any sort of plausible deniability? If DMCA notices are automated, and the automation is producing false positives, then they should still be held 100% liable. Fix your automation or remove it entirely. The potential ramifications of a false positive (Massive fines, getting banned from your ISP when they're the only option in town, and more) are too severe to allow any number of them greater than zero. EDIT: And I think the penalty for a false DMCA takedown request needs to be gargantuan. Seven figures, minimum. DMCA trolling should not be profitable.
- api 5y agoThese firms are bullshit shakedown operations. You are actually not the target though. The real target is large copyright holders who are sold a copyright enforcement service that doesn’t work and is completely incompetent.
- kordlessagain 5y agoComcast can bite me.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoThis is actually kinda of scary. It honestly makes me want to hoard Linux iso's aside from 2.2TB of Linux Iso's I already have.
- zeruch 5y agoHaving worked at one point for several years in the "antipiracy industry, it's basically a burlap sac full of rabid ferrets. Te client base is mostly crazed studio execs who want to DDoS the internet, and the DMCA farms that service them ham-fistedly. A turd tsunami on a good day.
- dustyharddrive 5y agothe relevant torrent link for your convenience: https://torrent.ubuntu.com/file?info_hash=K%A4%FB%F7%23%1A%3Af%0E%86%89%27%07%D2%5C%13U3%A1j https://torrent.ubuntu.com/file?info_hash=K%A4%FB%F7%23%1A%3...
- rolph 5y agoi have 3 machines each running 2 clients and seeding OSS ISO's ubuntu being among them, im waiting for a DMCA notice, and a very amusing phone conversation afterward, i suspect however that wont happen as im not on comcast
- xtat 5y agoGlad to see these idiotic notices are working out as expected.