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Products purchased at Apple Store in India cannot be refunded or exchanged
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- tumblewit 5y agoSo I bought a Macbook Air with M1 that I used for 3 months and noticed the right speaker cracking issue (apparently this is widespread on forums) and instead of going through the headache of repair service I ended up just tossing it online and buy a new one for <7500Rs in losses which I thought was a good deal. The new one has the same problem (yes I tried everything from restore to different audio but its not subtle and this time its left one wow!) so I contacted Apple to setup a return immediately. But nope! They are offering a replacement to me but the customer support is throwing policies in my face. Its insane that apple offers no refund for its own products.
- systemBuilder 5y agoIn the USA we have a concept of a warrant of merchantability. This implies that if you buy a product that is defective the manufacturer must take it back within a short period usually 30 days or less. No exceptions. With cars it is slightly different most states have something called a "lemon law." If there are more than three repair attempts in the first 6 months for the same issue and the problem is still not fixed then the manufacturer must offer a full refund.
- tumblewit 5y agoI did return an iPhone when I was in US. It was really easy just walk in and return it for a full refund or credit. I ended up buying a 128gb one instead of 32gb because the experience was great. But this is insane that I can't return something from Apple's own store for a refund.
- tumblewit 5y agoThis was back when the 32gb iPhone 7 was much slower than the 128Gb one. But that was more of a performance problem this is straight up problematic.
- dangus 5y agoEdit: apologies, I misread the comment and the “3 months” bit. Apparently (TIL) India has very weak consumer protection laws. I still think you should take up Apple’s offer to have it repaired/replaced. I guess that’s your only recourse.
- pdpi 5y agoOP sold one macbook after 3 months, bought a second one with the same defect, and tried to get that one serviced immediately. That second macbook should've been well within a reasonable returns policy.
- dangus 5y agoYou’re right, I confused the 3 months bit.
- tumblewit 5y agoThis is correct. I got rid of the original one (I bought that day 1 of M1 launch so I thought it was some initial batch). But this one is only a day old (and more recently imported) and I have spent the last day doing all kinds of troubleshooting. I am in the process of getting a replacement (which they approve) but I don't expect that one to be problem free either (seems like a more serious problem like 2016 displays failing after a while). Nonetheless if they can accept a replacement they should have some policy towards a refund but there is none. I am waiting for their call tomorrow from some senior but I am not hopeful.
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- Silhouette 5y agoI don’t think any country has laws mandating that people are allowed to return products after owning them for 3 months. It depends on the circumstances, but in the UK and most of Europe, consumer rights are much stronger than in some other parts of the world. Here in the UK, the basic rule is that the vendor who sold a product to a private individual is on the hook for anything that goes wrong -- that is, they can't just pass the buck to a manufacturer under warranty or some other fall guy, they have to deal with the problem or be held responsible. Whether the vendor can in turn recover any losses from the manufacturer or reseller who supplied them is then that vendor's problem, not the end customer's. Usually if a product is defective, the next step will be to repair, replace or refund. The legal position tends to be based on both sides being reasonable. For example, if you have a product that fails earlier than you might reasonably expect but still after a couple of years of use, you might get a refund for part of the original purchase price but you probably wouldn't be entitled to all of it. On the other hand, if a product fails in the first few months and the vendor can't repair or replace it, you're probably entitled to a full refund and there is a presumption that the product was defective unless the vendor can prove otherwise. In some cases, rights to a partial refund might last as long as 6 years, if the product purchased might reasonably be expected to last that long but that one didn't. Several other shenanigans that vendors try to pull elsewhere also don't hold up here. You can't rely on dubious arbitration terms in sale contracts to override statutory consumer rights. A vendor also must not mislead consumers over their rights, for example putting up a sign saying "no refunds" when the buyer might have a legal right to a refund for a defective product. In fact, it's actually illegal for merchants to mislead in that kind of way, which is why you'll see often notices up at the tills that say something like "your statutory rights are not affected" to make it clear that they're not trying to illegally misrepresent anything about those rights. This is all in addition to any more generous policy a merchant might voluntarily offer or any warranty a manufacturer might offer on its products regardless of where someone buys them.
- Grustaf 5y agoI think it’s reasonable to expect a replacement product, but why should you be able to return it for cash? You already made the decision to buy one, I don’t think it’s Apple’s responsibility if you change your mind.
- domano 5y agoFor example here in germany it is mandated by law that you have 2 weeks grace period to get your cash back, no questions asked.
- monksy 5y agoYou received a defective product. Why would you be expected to keep a relationship with a party that didn't meet the expectations from the get go?
- Grustaf 5y agoYou made the decision to buy a product. You got a defective one and they offered you a replacement. With the replacement you will be exactly where you set out to be. With less money, and with a working product. Even in Sweden, consumer law paradise, I’m pretty sure you can’t ask for your money back.
- monksy 5y agoYou went in to the relationship with the belief that Apple was a premium vendor. You recieved a product that was not a premium product. What I think is important is: how much work is to get a replacement? That can really sour a relationship, esp when you may get a refurbished machine as a replacement.
- nightcracker 5y agoIf you know a product is faulty, why did you choose to buy another one?
- eptcyka 5y agoIn vain hopes its a bad apple and not the whole harvest?
- chris37879 5y agoI see what you did there.
- tumblewit 5y agoThis was literally the case. But it seems like its not Apple season yet.
- chrisseaton 5y agoThey thought the specific unit was faulty, not the model and its design.
- dkirill 5y agoDid you buy it via official reseller? Any reasonable country should have laws in place that will force the company to refund you for the defective goods. In that case Apple' policies shouldn't matter
- ramraj07 5y agoAFAIK India doesn’t have refund policies for defective goods that are widely applicable. What OP must clarify though is that apples authorised resellers in India do actually perform a good job of replacing defective goods under warranty, which makes getting extended care for apple products in India of paramount importance. Outside of warranty you are so screwed!
- tumblewit 5y agoI don't know about your experience but I have been buying Apple products here for more than a decade and the authorized service centers only replace iPhones and iPads (and they now repair iPhones) while macs are repair only. But the so called engineers are not well trained and I did have my MBP once that went bad thanks to the poor job they had done. If apple had an official service center I would not bother replacing or returning and just get it repaired since any repair comes with a 90 day warranty.
- tumblewit 5y agoI bought both from Apple's own online store.
- baybal2 5y agoAluminium metallurgy strikes back. That's why I am very hesitant to use it for mass manufactured goods. ME misses 1 defect showing few months later, and you get n hundred thousand units recall, or worse, the client asking the money back. For a CM it's a complete devastation. Machining is also very uneconomical unless you can contract high volume machining specialist, but that's impossible for most <1m runs. Only the biggest PC makers like Asus, and Acer can afford custom casting, and press forging at economical scales, but even they don't go for aluminium everywhere. ASUS for example went with stamped steel shells for some economy models.
- Nimitz14 5y agoCould you elaborate on this? I thought Aluminium is relatively easy to manipulate (and that's why it's used a lot)? Why wouldn't one use injection molding?
- oneplane 5y agoThat would mostly be limited by tolerances, surface finish and specific alloy used. When you end up with a part that needs a lot of steps and removes a lot of material you need a machine that is more complicated, more expensive and with a lower throughput than a machine that simply stamps parts out of a sheet, or shapes them through a mandrill. Casting is a whole other deal, you end up with different properties because the way you cast has different requirements than creating the raw stock. If the part or product you want to make can't match with the results of a cast part (more than just surface finish) you simply can't use casting (until some sort or alloy is found that delivers the required properties). You can obviously use other methods, i.e. metal injection, or sintering, or you could simply make it out of plastic. Or you make multiple simpler parts and interface them together (screws, glue, welds etc). But all of those are fine from the construction perspective, but not fine from the aesthetic perspective, and those are valid requirements as well. The manufacturing method generally is selected during a 'design for manufacture' phase, and that phase only comes after you have already established some parameters on the look, feel, and other properties of the product. If you could just make it out of concrete or a single injected piece of plastic and still meet all the requirements, they would probably do just that (as the process is simpler, cheaper, higher volume etc).
- AppleIsWeaknes 5y agoExpect them to deny for 5 years and only then after many lawsuits you can get a fix.
- vondur 5y agoIs there some sort of law in India that allows this? Seems pretty bad to me.
- tumblewit 5y agoNo. Amazon offers a return for it's products if they are defective the second time. Basically you get a replacement if its good then great keep it but if it has a problem as well then you get a full refund on return. Apple has no such policy. You buy it they can offer a replacement. But customer support will tell you its policy for no refund. No law afaik.
- yrral 5y agoWhy is this the case? Is there some societal expectation? I know that eg: american grocery stores are much more accepting of returns for any reason vs european ones in general.
- slver 5y agoThere is societal expectation. Frankly no one wants opened/used products, so you know those will be sold at significant discount, or refurbished, or thrown away. No business accepts that unless they HAVE to.
- dheera 5y ago"Frankly no one wants opened/used products" Um ... When I buy for myself I look for open box products all the time. Steep discounts (sometimes 25% or more) are awesome for something that is essentially new. I don't give a shit about the unboxing experience unless it's a gift for someone else.
- xvolter 5y agoNo one wants used products for "new" prices, but plenty of people would be willing to buy open-box items at discounted prices. It's a huge thing for appliances. In most situations, however, things are simply repackaged and sold as new. Clothing, for example, is commonly returned; then hopefully re-washed before selling again as new. In most situations this applies to electronics as well, although electronics can be different. There are stories out there of people buying new SD cards that had photos on them. Most companies have a return center that processes returns, inspects them, resets them, and repackages them to be sold again as new. Exceptions are when returns are sent to stores… like Amazon or Best Buy handle returns differently than returns going back to the manufacturer.
- drfuchs 5y agoIn the USA, "simply repackaged and sold as new" is illegal for all products, even if the first purchaser hadn't even opened the box. You have to sell it as "refurbished" or some such.
- tobr 5y ago> Please see our Sales Terms and Conditions for full policies. Which of course you can’t be bothered to link?
- bashy 5y ago"Sales Policy" at very bottom of footer.
- strogonoff 5y agoApple retail policy in Hong Kong[0] is similar, no 14-day returns unlike most other countries, and even defective refunds seem doubtful (you can see that the policy only specifies conditions for exchange, though it does mention refund procedures it doesn't state when it would occur and so is likely open to interpretation by the management). [0] https://www.apple.com/hk/shop/help/exchange_return https://www.apple.com/hk/shop/help/exchange_return
- ksec 5y agoYes Hong Kong has had that since iPhone 4 or 5 if I remember correctly. A few years later Apple said the problem were people abusing the system, basically buying iPhone, taking out some component, or even the Screen, replace them with other parts and sell those official parts for profits. Then returning the iPhone to Apple. They also raised the price of latest iPhone by $100 since iPhone 5 because of China reselling. So if you exclude VAT or Import TAX, ( which HK doesn't have ), It would be the most expensive iPhone with the least amount of services. Mac and others products are normal though.
- strogonoff 5y agoStill it is an iPhone with two physical SIM slots, which to me makes it an interesting deal.
- ksec 5y agoYes. That may soon be gone though. China passed the regulation on eSIM and may be two more years before they make the switch.
- 1cvmask 5y agoA friend who was on holiday in Turkey was refused a new iphone battery (she was willing to pay for it) at the official Apple store as it was not locally bought (she bought it in SF). So no global warranty, but also no global repair or replacement of parts with official parts even when you are willing to pay for it.
- tonywastaken 5y agoI was able to repair a US-bought MacBook at an Apple store in Japan with no issues
- rolisz 5y agoMacBooks have global warranty, iPhones don't. I think this is partly to avoid price arbitrage such as going to buy an iPhone in a cheaper country. I'm not sure why this is not a concern for laptops. Maybe those are more targeted towards businesses, which are not so price sensitive.
- DaiPlusPlus 5y ago> I think this is partly to avoid price arbitrage such as going to buy an iPhone in a cheaper country. There isn't much arbitrage for new Apple products: if anything, iPhones are more expensive in other countries, especially LEDC countries due to import tariffs (e.g. Brazil and India) and VAT. That said, I can understand phone companies, in general, not having worldwide warranties because localized phones will have different radio hardware (well, prior to LTE...). ----- I just found Apple's current warranty doc for the iPhone, iPad, and iPod and it does mention international coverage ( https://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/ios-warranty-document-us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/ios-warranty-d... ). It would be bad PR for Apple if tourists and businesspeople in foreign countries couldn't get their phones repaired on holiday or during a critical business trip.
- selectodude 5y agoThe price arbitrage is USA -> basically everywhere else on earth.
- krtkush 5y agoApple India has one of the worst after sales services. If something goes wrong with your device, they'll charge 2.5k (INR) to just look at it and tell you what is wrong with your device.
- fumar 5y agoThat is ~$33 USD for an inspection. What if you have AppleCare+?
- manquer 5y agoYou have to understand that Apple service in India is outsourced. The sub contractor has no interest in helping you. They only care how they can keep their numbers low. They charged me $500 to replace the defective keyboard in the Mac Pro 2-3years back within 3 months of purchase and said I put glue on the key which came off. I have a friend for whose new iphone 10 pro they refused to replace despite servicing the screen thrice and it clearly was manufacturing problem ( they agree) but will not replace the phone only the screen. He spent hours on the phone and no escalation he could do to get them to do it. Every time i see in Europe or US, the service levels are starkly different, I have got replacement devices in minutes ,it is so bad in India that I and many people I know get their idevices serviced when we vist stateside.
- xtracto 5y agoAppleCare outside of the USA is a joke. Here in Mexico we had one of those butterfly keyboard macbooks for which a key failed. The "licensed" apple provider said the would need to change a whole lot of parts to replace the keyboard. I went to an "unlicensed " workshop and they only charged the price of the keyboard and 500 pesos for the work. A++
- sans-serif 5y agoIn my experience Americans sort of take for granted the breadth and depth of consumer protection you enjoy. I'd wager that in an insignificant portion of countries Apple expanded to, they have had to significantly cut back on refunds/warrantees they offer to combat fraud and abuse.
- darkwizard42 5y agoAgreed, but I don't think Americans take it for granted; I think they just don't abuse it. By not abusing a good faith return policy you allow the company to provide one that is consumer friendly.
- amznthrwaway 5y agoThere’s substantial abuse of these policies in the US.
- petee 5y agoEh, look what happened to LL Bean, they had one of the last real good faith return policies, and it was abused to hard they had to reverse lifetime warranty on existing products to two(?) years. And create a list to track individuals making the returns I hear they'll still honor it in some obvious cases...
- selectodude 5y agoREI did the same thing. People would return ten year old jackets for a full refund because a feather was sticking out. Even Costco has drastically scaled back the return policy on electronics for that reason. In large enough groups, people suck.
- sergiotapia 5y agonothing to do with consumer protection, everything to do with culture. the majority of people simply don't abuse it.
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- sss111 5y agoApple had a lot of trouble with the Indian market back the early 2010s. They had to pull AppleCare+ out of the country because people were abusing it a lot. [†] Same goes for the country's biggest online retailers, both Amazon and Flipkart also switched to a replacement-only policy in India. "Most analysts agree that many many buyers were abusing the company's refund policy. With many buying latest smartphones, and returning them after a week after trying them "[1] I've seen return abuse in the US, not sure if it's higher than what I have seen in India. I tried to research this topic back in high school for a paper, it was hard to find concrete data to compare the two countries. [1]https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-news/amazon-ends-refund-policy-for-mobile-phones/articleshow/50901907.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-news/amazon-ends-re... [†] edit: I feel like I need to clarify what "abusing" really was. AppleCare+ used to cover two incidents of Theft, Loss and accidents. Third party resellers essentially activated an iphone and marked it as lost. Then, after getting a new replacement iPhone from Apple, they would go on and sell it to customers. Nowadays, you can only get AppleCare (not the plus) in India which does not cover theft or accidental damage.
- fnord77 5y agoStrong consumer protection laws are good checks and balances against corporations.
- sdajk3n423 5y agoWhy does India seem to be so full of scammers? I can't go a day without an Indian robocalling me and trying to phish my credit card or SS#. Is this something engrained in the culture?
- darrenoc 5y agoThis is harmful racial stereotyping. Most of the hardest workers I know are Indian.
- sdajk3n423 5y agoHow is this stereotyping? I can say with 100% confidence that 100% of the malicious scam calls that I get are from India.
- rocknor 5y agoBecause of your stupid statement about it being ingrained in the culture. It's more like a combination of unemployment, English know-how, ineffective/overworked police because of underfunding, the existence of this attack vector and a little tech knowledge to exploit it.
- sdajk3n423 5y agoThe Philippines meets all of these criteria that you enumerated, why don't they pump out scammers like India?
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- rocknor 5y agoYou're on HN and it's supposed to have somewhat better discourse, don't bring the quality of this site down. Next time try googling the population (!), per capita income, rates of English profiency and technical know-how, international phone calling prices, unemployment rates of the two countries... and apply some basic statistics / common sense. There are just some of the factors, there are probably more.
- hasitseth 5y agoApple only wants to use India to sell its stuff, particularly old model goods. It has avoided for longest time to provide Apple service through its own stores. It uses reseller network that is not the same as having own stores and service. Now this is amazing that Apple won't accept returns in India when Apple goods bought via Amazon can be returned in India!
- valuearb 5y agoIndia is a terrible place to run a business, Apple's taking the right approach.
- kylehotchkiss 5y agoWasn’t India imposing a rule that foreign companies needed to source 30% of the goods they sell locally to open their own stores? Apple is trying to open stores in select markets in India but 30% is a high bar to meet.
- gkcgautam 5y agoPreviously Apple India allowed one to buy extended Apple Care+ within 1 year of buying the device but they changed the duration to 60 days last year. Now I have a Macbook Pro 16" without extended warranty because I had already crossed the 60 day mark when they changed their policy and so they won't let me extend the warranty. This is going to cost me a lot!
- robbomacrae 5y agoWhy is it going to cost you a lot? Are you expecting it to break? As long as you take reasonable care and don't drop it into a pool those things are pretty reliable. I've bought 4 macbooks since 2012 and passed them on to family whenever I wanted a new one and they are all still working despite the occasional bump.
- hesarenu 5y agoYou can't take nothing for granted. My mac mini started having issues just before end of warranty. Now after the end of warranty to fix it would cost me about 1/2 its original price. My pro which is out of warranty also has issues again fixing would cost me the same as buying a new pc laptop. Apple devices are very good when they are under warranty at least in India.
- cpcallen 5y agoI think this policy change is global—or at any rate, it applies in the UK as well. Disappointing, because previously I would buy second-hand but less-than-year-old Apple products specifically so I could purchase the extended AppleCare warranty on them. A great way to get a recent machine at a decent discount.
- utxaa 5y agoso stop buying apple. that'll light a match in the right place.
- turtlebits 5y agoThis isn't surprising, its just consumer culture in other countries. I remember buying computer components in Taiwan, and having the merchant open the box and testing it in front of me as there were refunds and to prove I wasn't getting a fake product.
- SeanLuke 5y agoI was at the Pike Place Market Starbucks in Seattle and picked up a mug special to that shop for my (native Italian) wife. I took it home in DC and found it had a hairline fracture. No problem, I told her, and promptly called the Pike Place Market Starbucks and explained the situation. They immediately mailed me a new one at no cost and apologized. She remarked that this would NEVER have happened in Italy: no shop would ship something like that, as it would be ripe for abuse. And she's right, there is a big difference in the culture of trust which makes such a thing possible in the USA.
- mattl 5y agoGames Workshop, the miniature manufacturer is like this. The few times I've had an issue with something from them -- mostly missing pieces -- they've shipped me a replacement entire kit, usually overnight at no cost to me.
- bakedbeanz 5y agoIt makes sense for them to want to keep their customers happy, considering how goddamn expensive those little bits of plastic are
- gnrlst 5y agoI have to say Games Workshop and Starbucks are two easy examples, and say nothing about the underlying system of trust in a country. Games Workshop: a piece costs near nothing to them. It's just a piece of plastic. Makes a ton of economic sense to just replace it and keep customers coming back to buy more profitable plastic. Starbucks: are a huge multinational that operate a sophisticated logistics network so shipping an item out is less than a thousandth of a rounding error in their daily P&L both in terms of money and time. The real places to call out / praise are small independent shops where a single item purchased (or returned) could swing the daily revenue / profit one way or another.
- hasitseth 5y agoWhile we are discussing service, I have fond memories of IBM's service for Thinkpad. I moved from US to India. Before I left, I had sent a Thinkpad for repair. They told me a repair vendor (Selectron I think) needs a replacement motherboard from Japan (no idea why so!). They promised it will be sent to India to me. I doubted that. They not only shipped it to India but also paid customs duty as Indian customs won't accept it as repair but levied duty as a new laptop! Really miss the great IBM service.
- kjrose 5y agoCan anyone tell me if this is due to cultural differences where abusing a refund policy is common place and accepted, so having something that is generally intended as a "good faith" policy simply doesn't work? Or is this that there are small groups of very organized individuals abusing it and ruining it for the rest of the country?
- wolfretcrap 5y agoI don't think anyone getting such returns/refunds approved is getting accolades by their family members or friends. Usually such people don't tell anyone about it and if they are smart better they keep quite. So it's not about culture, just that it's worth it here in India because most people aren't making $30 an hour here so lot of pitty scam schemes are profitable for them.
- kjrose 5y agoOh, I don't mean like "you get accolades", but more of a, everyone is doing it, so why not me?
- kjrose 5y agoI appreciate the honest response though. I always am curious about what the situation is on the ground for decisions like this.
- wolfretcrap 5y agoThose who do bad things can always justify to themselves "everyone is doing it" even if the only evidence they've is a newspaper report of a person doing it in their country. I personally frequently manage accounts of my family members including my Dad's and girlfriends account, they aren't doing it infact my dad has kept a lot of crappy things he received because he didn't have time to return and he's a busy banker, his time value is more than all these products etc...very few people in the country actually get paid enough to make these tactics not worth it for them, but a lot of people are god fearing and honest even if they are poor.
- Alexinaps 5y agoI don't consider it an abuse as they just offered to play on their own terms, no one forced them to accept!
- nottorp 5y agoHmm well, I once worked for some people doing an automatic facial recognition system. It wasn't for law enforcement or stuff like that. The first application that they mentioned was preventing insurance fraud in India...
- hi41 5y agoI am an Indian. I can attest that a lot indians are extremely corrupt and will abuse the system as as possible for their own benefit. I am so ashamed of being an indian. Indians are the people who don’t put the shopping cart back in its place and just leave it in the parking lot and the rest of the people can’t park their cars. They unload the cart into car and don’t bother that traffic is backing up.
- kburman 5y agoIs this a troll?
- hi41 5y agoNo, I am not. I grew up in Mumbai and emigrated to USA. Those were my genuine feelings.
- wccrawford 5y agoAs a non-Indian, my impression (after hearing something like that multiple times about Indians) is that people in India may be raised to be more apt to over-use a system (and even abuse it), but it's not unique to them. Every country has people who do it far too much, and everyone does it to some extent. So don't feel so bad. Also, these kinds of things are usually a trade off. Your culture has a lot of beautiful things that are unique to it, too. No culture is perfect, and pretty much everyone is just trying to get by. IMO, be the best you that you can be, enjoy the beauty of life, and don't feel responsible for others.
- hi41 5y agoThank you for the thoughtful answer. I am not unaware of my first impulse towards anger. I have hurt a lot of people with my angry outbursts. Some of them are in their after lives and I hope my sorry reaches them. I was also drunk when I wrote my original message. I have been drinking since 8 am since my wife left for work. I also need to get my drinking problem in order.
- fireeyed 5y agoA friend of mine from India and I were walking into a Barnes and Noble store. He stops outside the door points to the "for sale book cart" that sits outside the store and tells me if this store was in India, not only the books will be gone but the cart too. The stunning thing he tells me is its not the poor who steal but the customers who would come to the store to buy.
- diebeforei485 5y agoThis seems stupid. They should have a 7-day policy or something.
- rvalue 5y agoI am looking forward to buying the next Macbook that comes out and knowing this kind of makes it troublesome. India does not have physical Apple stores and its not that easy to try out new products. Apple products are not magic and also have their own problems. Knowing that there is a fair refund policy for Indian consumers like any other country would have been a fair business practice and consumer friendly but unfortunately Apple does not see it like that. Completely ending the refund/return is a stupid decision.
- geodel 5y agoWhat all products do you get refund in India? I couldn't get a fucking refund for brand new clothes after 10 minute after purchase. Markets are littered with messages "once sold cannot be returned" Besides government always loudly announces that any company doing business in India have to follow Indian laws. So why would any outside company bring more generous practices in India that is not required by law and not followed by most Indian businesses.
- ttty2 5y agoIt's not as bad in US and reason is purely economics of fraud. Very large fraction of US population is paid $30 an hour compared to Indian population. Biggest problem isn't even market in India which has lot of demand.
- villgax 5y agoThis is some next level BS