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Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin
- kmonsen 6y agoThis is not doxing in any way is it? The person is using their own name, is a public figure, posted about their activities on twitter and can be easily Googled. Would reddit ban anything about this if the person in question was not an employee? I understand the concern about harassment, but should anyone be able to get off reddit if they want to? Let's say Roger Stone wants no mention of himself on reddit, should he be able to say please ban anyone that mentions me?
- Mediterraneo10 6y agoIt could be that some discussion of this person was linking to a Substack article with investigative reporting into this person’s kinks and polyamory, using their forum history over the last decade in a way that Reddit might see as doxxing.
- LunarRover 6y agoThat's rather unpleasant. Graham Linehan is an extremist, make no mistake.
- ping_pong 6y agoIt's not doxxing. It's Reddit employees abusing their power to try to protect "one of their own". It's pretty bad if it's true.
- fastball 6y agoAnd apparently HN is allowing it to happen here to because all the threads related to this keep getting flagged into oblivion.
- pas 6y agoSome HN users claim that it's because many HN users are tired of reddit this, reddit that...
- smegger001 6y agoI and many others are tired of twitter and facebook, and yet no one down votes stories about them. Why should reddit be different?
- CryptoPunk 6y agoReddit is crazy when it comes to anything trans related. Any comment mildly oppositional to the dominant trans agenda and belief system results in a ban. This is what happens when you hire ideological extremists with victim complexes to try to prove you're inclusive.
- hfktk4nrn 6y agoTrans is for Reddit what nuclear energy is for HN. Anything negative about these two issues will quickly get you downvoted, flagged and banned on the respective forum.
- mercurysmessage 6y agoI don't see the need to say anything negative about trans people, it feels very similar to anti-gay rhetoric and talking points of the past. It's not contributing or helping, and actually causes a lot of harm.
- hfktk4nrn 6y agoDoes that also include anything negative about a particular trans person? Many for example consider unacceptable the inclusion of the word "transgender" in this article title (The Guardian of all places): > Transgender prisoner who sexually assaulted inmates jailed for life https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-...
- mdoms 6y agoThere are legitimate discussions to be had about things like the rates of detransitioning teenagers and mental health in the trans community. But places like Reddit have made such discussion verboten.
- 9387367 6y agoThis is happening now, so the title of the post explains the events and links to r/ukpolitics where the crisis has started. Apologies if this breaks HN title rules but the original title is not descriptive. Discussion developing on Twitter due to Reddit site wide bans. https://twitter.com/search?q=Aimee%20Challenor&src=typed_query&f=live https://twitter.com/search?q=Aimee%20Challenor&src=typed_que...
- geoah 6y agoPrevious discussion on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26554697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26554697 has been flagged.
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- fergbrain 6y agoIt sounds like the flagging was done by users, not HN admin...so that’s good: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26558198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26558198
- bpodgursky 6y agoI don't have any context on this, but my 10 seconds of research indicates I'm going to hate everybody on both sides. Gonna stop here and do some actual work.
- spamizbad 6y agoI don't get it - why are people angry with her over her father's actions?
- phpnode 6y agothey're angry with her over her actions, it's separate from her father's crimes.
- HideousKojima 6y agoAlso their fiance has has written some erotic fiction that is almost as disturbing as what their father did
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- iams 6y agoPeople weren't angry with her until she began banning users posting articles in the mainstream press that happen to mention her name.
- easytiger 6y ago> People weren't angry with her until she... certainly not accurate. In the sub and nearby subs involved, it was not known that they worked for reddit. The posting of the article was incidental. The person who posted it had no idea why it was removed and they were permabanned
- yeetman21 6y agoShe is not at fault for her fathers actions, but when she continues to surround herself with such people, including her husband, this may indicate a bad pattern of behavior
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- underseacables 6y agoIdentity politics has become a shield and weapon for bad behavior - how dare you question me you must be a bigot. Whoever can gain the public’s attention first controls the narrative.
- eplanit 6y agoYes, it's absurd. I can say nasty things about you because of my Identity, which also shields me from anything you say in response/defense.
- thefz 6y agoThis beavior is super emphasized on reddit nowadays. Every subreddit is vertical, either you agree with what the collective mind thinks or you are out or downvoted to oblivion. There's no discussion anymore.
- marcusverus 6y agoOccasionally you'll see someone step up to question the narrative, and they almost always preface their comments with a bit of moral signaling. It's like a bizarre ritual. They'll disavow, insult, or otherwise distance themselves from whichever 'other' is the target of the mob's ire, and only then will they offer up a contrary opinion. I suppose they're responding rationally to the 'karmic' incentive.
- Barrin92 6y agoIdentity, status and standing has always been a shield or weapon for bad behaviour, just look at the kind of abuse scandals the church got and still gets away with. It's more like we've just expanded the grifting privileges to more groups
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- xsmasher 6y agoWhat is the connection to identity politics here? I am missing it.
- DominikD 6y agoSomeone was banned from Reddit for linking to an article dead naming a trans woman. Did I get this right? If I did, what's the problem here, really?
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- anoonmoose 6y agothey have also been told that can't live-name her also, she was the one who banned people for it (sketch) also, I'm not sure that's why they were banned
- Quillbert182 6y agoIt's not just that, they have banned any mention of her name. You literally cannot even type her name in private messages without the message at least getting deleted, if you aren't banned.
- formerly_proven 6y agoThat's some Chinese Communist Party level censoring.
- himujjal 6y agoIts called left for a reason
- DominikD 6y agoI seriously doubt that. This is a claim I've seen in many places (unsubstantiated) but I find it hard to believe that her name is triggering bans. Dead name? Sure, I can believe that and, again, I have no problem with this.
- Quillbert182 6y agoThey released a post saying they had a script set up to autoremove any mention of her current name, which often came with a ban.
- eplanit 6y agoNot dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. I fully understand and agree that the platform is privately owned, etc. etc., but this is getting strange(r) -- and quite normalized.
- high_derivative 6y agoAnd these employees are deleting subreddits (e.g. gender critical), suppress media they don't like..it's really surprising reddit has not found attention the same way twitter or facebook have. Maybe because of their political leanings.
- howinteresting 6y agoSome media should be suppressed and some media shouldn't be. The "gender critical" subreddit for example was full of hatred for trans people like myself. I don't believe that exercising your power to suppress something you don't like is inherently good or bad. It obviously depends on the contents of what is being suppressed.
- debacle 6y agoHistory teaches us that moral authoritarianism, properly executed, is the stuff of nightmares. Society should progress, but not "at any cost" or "by any means."
- howinteresting 6y agoNot at any cost, but this cost is plainly acceptable.
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- undefined1 6y agois this being done by Reddit employees or Reddit volunteers?
- Quillbert182 6y agoEmployees
- beervirus 6y agoReddit can't go bankrupt soon enough.
- Black101 6y agothe way /r/wsb is buying rewards for other users, maybe never.
- phpnode 6y agoHN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. This exact same thing happened with the previous threads https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26554697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26554697 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26556187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26556187 There are some awful transphobic comments in those threads, but they appeared _after_ the threads had been penalised.
- geoah 6y agoHN users are flagging it, checkout the previous threads for more comments on why.
- Black101 6y agoHN appears to do some shady stuff too... sometimes it is users flagging post (like a mega-downvote) and sometimes it is the admins controlling the speech. I'm not sure why HN needs flagging and down-votes... because flagging is being abused all the time (and I think that some users get super-heavy-flagging-powers, a bit like low level admins).
- ramphastidae 6y agoFlagging is the least bad system I’ve seen so far. HN can be configured to show flagged or dead posts as well so it doesn’t really compare.
- Black101 6y agoDoes the admin(s) need to do anything to hide a post when a post has been flagged by users or it is automatically hidden?
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- mellosouls 6y agoAs much as I resent the control-weenies flagging stuff they disagree with, I don't like the title editorialising here which could be read as an attempt to shame and punish rather than discuss. Please can we merge with the original threads and consider keeping the source titles. Another example here with a clear and explanatory title: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/mb1vpb/rukpolitics_goes_private_moderators_suspended/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/mb1vpb/rukp...
- 9387367 6y agoI posted this and I disagree, a drama subreddit is the least place this should be discussed, this is about silencing Redditors and abuse from admins who are paid Reddit staff. As per title change, please see my comment at the time of posting.
- mellosouls 6y agoI saw your comment before posting and see no need for the editorialising for the reason given. The link I've given also explains what's going on, yours does not (and the sub disappeared previously), people have to trust your interpretation in the title.
- debacle 6y agoMy interaction with reddit is now nearly zero. I turned on ad block some time ago. I will visit /r/todayilearned in the early morning while laying in bed, and I will use subreddits to research purchases. It is much more satisfying to remove /r/all from the reddit equation. I can't even visit my local subreddit anymore because the amount of censorship by moderators is staggering. The dark marketing, once you can see it, is everywhere. And their comment ranking algorithm is suffocating.
- thefz 6y agoI know it sounds trite, but most small-ish subreddit communities are still sane. Avoid the main ones like the plague though.
- debacle 6y agoIt depends. I have had interactions with some small community moderators that border on the insane. I was banned from AskHistorians for explaining the historical utility of nomadic herding of livestock. The moderator who banned me was also the moderator of a vegan/vegetarian subreddit. I don't log into the site any longer.
- thefz 6y agoAh, AskHistorians can be rough. Maybe it's a more technical thing, but on some sports and some computer niche subreddits I feel okay and there's a nice discussion. But I understand your position and find myself using the site less and less.
- fistmyassdang 6y agoIn the same vein, avoid Hacker News.
- LunarRover 6y agoWhat's the alternative? As a Digg v4 refugee, I've always wondered. Trouble is that deep knowledge of niche communities has taken 15 years - a not-insignificant portion of a lifetime - to accumulate. If the site dies, so much specialised discussion is scattered where it'll be far harder to find.
- pokoleo 6y agoCould this be related to GDPR?
- Black101 6y agoI don't like where the world is going...
- sir_bearington 6y agoThe irony is that I almost certainly would have zero idea who this person was or the existence of this controversy were it not for this crackdown. On one hand I can empathize with people seeing someone they know have negative press about them shared on a site they run and wanting to do something. But I thought the point of professionalism was refraining from this kind of behavior and applying rules consistently even when there is a personal connection. This kind of special-case behavior in favor of people with ties to the site is likely counter productive.
- BrianOnHN 6y ago> The Streisand effect is a social phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of further publicizing that information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Edit: added quote.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoI wonder if her name will be remembered for the effect longer than for her celebrity.
- BrianOnHN 6y agoBarbara who? Edit: seriously, I couldn't tell you what she's done. Sing? Movies? Both?
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoCool. I feel vindicated and very old at the same time.
- dfraser992 6y agoOh dear... I assume you're being sincere, so no shade or anything like that. I just realized exactly how old I am relative to you and the other person who posted the same sentiment. ;) Both. She was a big big name of my parent's generation (think Rhianna version 2, Rhianna is version 3 or 4 or 5... if you go back to Maria Callas or Josephine Baker being version 1)
- vdddv 6y ago"Please do not name this individual" But we won't tell you who the individual that shall not be name is.
- baseballdork 6y agoThe individual is named in the two linked articles: Aimee Challenor
- marcosdumay 6y agoThe Monty Python's stoning scene in Life of Brian comes to mind.
- mcintyre1994 6y agoIf you click the articles linked within the post, you’ll see that there’s a bit of malicious compliance going on on the admin’s part with regards to not naming the individual.
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- esja 6y agoIt would be interesting to know what sort of background checking Reddit did when hiring this person. Just the public information has loads of red flags.
- hfktk4nrn 6y agoThis post has been live for more than 30 mins. Can somebody please flag it? It's spreading wrong think and hate speech.
- Traster 6y agoI've got to assume that the bannings are being done by Aimee as the new admin, because I can't imagine that anyone else at reddit would be so unfamiliar with Reddit that they would think this is a good idea. Look how much shit Ellen Pao got, and she was basically doing a decent job. I can't imagine this is going to go much better.
- Droobfest 6y agoEllen Pao was the beginning of the large scale decline of reddit. She might've done a decent job according to the owners, but I can't imagine much users agreeing with that assessment.
- favorited 6y agoA lot of the things that Pao got blamed for publicly were decisions made by Ohanian and the board. In fact, her predecessor said that she was opposed to most of the controversial changes but was forced to implement them.
- paganel 6y ago> shit Ellen Pao got, and she was basically doing a decent job. Those were different times, were the Ellen Pao situation to happen right now again I don't think things would go the same way as they did the first time. This reddit admin person also has the advantage of being a trans, and trans people are the new token individuals (have been for one year and half - two, I guess), I can't see Reddit the company not taking her part 100% (even though she's in the wrong in many instances).
- DanBC 6y ago> and trans people are the new token individuals You have to be totally detached from reality to actually believe this. Have you not paid any attention at all to the number of anti-trans laws being brought in a number of US states? There's been over 100 in 2021.
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- ipsocannibal 6y agoBanning FatPeopleHate might have worked only too well.
- Black101 6y agoI just mentioned her name and linked to a few news article on Reddit on a few different subs and haven't been banned yet. Edit: It took 22 minutes to have one of my posts locked ...
- jandrese 6y agoThis sounds a bit like an extreme form of the EU's "right to be forgotten" law. The post made it sound like there was a consensus of Reddit admins who were behind the decision, but to me it sounds like this person was hired as an admin and immediately searched their name and banned anyone who appeared in the results. The worst part is that this may have gone unnoticed except that one of the people was a moderator of a major subreddit. Now it's blown up and gone pure Streisand Effect.
- debacle 6y agoThis degree of censorship used to be noteworthy enough to find the front page of the site. The people who know about this censorship on reddit will be in the minority.
- goldenManatee 6y agoYou can request/demand to be forgotten by services, but a reasonable person can’t expect other people to forget them just because they asked services to do the same. Stored data and human memories are not the same thing lol
- quiquiquiqui 6y agoany idea what AC's reddit account is? I heard that she had already been moderating multiple subs
- mminer237 6y agoHopefully it's not against the rules here or anything, but it was identified[0] as /u/bpwpb[1], so Challenor changed[2] profiles to /u/isnottheimposter[3]. [0] https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-bo... [1] https://reddit.com/u/bpwpb https://reddit.com/u/bpwpb [2] https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the-heart-of https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/something-rotten-at-the... [3] https://reddit.com/u/isnottheimposter https://reddit.com/u/isnottheimposter
- dominotw 6y agoWouldn't ppl simply use an alternative like "one who cannot be mentioned
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- sonthonax 6y agoDespite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal duty of care Reddit has to their employee (particularly to someone who can legitimately claim to be marginalised) they can't just toss her to an incensed mob. Especially if that incensed mob was created by the actions of Reddit making clumsy choices.
- cde-v 6y agoMaybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.
- sonthonax 6y agoWe're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.
- LunaSea 6y agoQ1: Should a psychologically suffering person be able to run for public office? I would say yes. Q2: If so, should a public figure that is psychologically suffering be safeguarded from any criticism I would say no since being a public figure was a conscious choice.
- Closi 6y ago> The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
- rcfox 6y agoReminds me of the time the CEO (spez) was caught editing people's posts[0]. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_...
- paganel 6y agoTo add to that, late editing your posts on patriots.win is now called spez-ing.
- legitster 6y agoThis seems like it could also be a "Right to be forgotten" situation? Especially with how the post is worded where it could be a legal team forcing them to comply.
- jeltz 6y agoNope, she is a public figure.
- subsubzero 6y agoReached out last week by a recruiter from reddit, guess I'll never work there. I refuse to work for a company where this kind of stuff is going on. Vote with your feet, and choose not to work at places like this. Vote with your hands and choose not to browse and be a user of sites like this.
- koonsolo 6y agoGood idea! Just removed the app.
- twirlock 6y agoOh look! Spooks -- stratfor spooks in this case -- think they're aristocrats who get to use censorship for self-preservation. What a shocking, brand new development.
- dragonwriter 6y agoReddit has a real and serious potential liability if they didn't take action on this (now, there is a very good argument that hiring the individual in question in the role in question showed epically poor judgement, but, while a part of the chain of events that got the situation to this point, that's a different issue.)
- tasogare 6y agoWhich liability? In which juridiction? From what I read in another other website, the affair seems pretty serious: hired murderer pedophile dad and met husband on a furry forum on which that guy wrote about raping children. Since that individual is a political figure (thus public figure) it’s legitimate the people discuss about those facts.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Which liability? In which juridiction? Both workplace environment (and, yes, not protecting from hostile environment on protected characteristics created by customers, suppliers, or other business contacts can be a source of liability) liability where she is currently employed by Reddit (which is in the US; I’m not sure which state, but that’s not super important since gender identity is federally protected within statutory protection of sex under the Bostock v. Clayton County decision), and, as far as anything potentially falls into the realm of defamatory fact claims, libel liability in any jurisdiction in which Knight/Challenor has defensible reputation interests; notably, this includes the UK, which has neither a NY Times v. Sullivan-style high bar for defamation liability when the subject is a public figure nor CDA Section 230-style protection of online platforms from being treated as a publisher of libels submitted by users.
- sva_ 6y agoIt seems that the name is mentioned on /r/europe though[0], but all comments have been deleted and the thread has been locked. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/mbbb56/aimee_challenor_and_the_danger_of_transgender/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/mbbb56/aimee_challe...
- mdoms 6y agoThis discussion, like the others, has mysteriously dropped off the front page of HN.
- generalizations 6y ago"Mysteriously" indeed. Who had the influence to make that happen, I wonder?
- Macha 6y agoThe person who several years ago and unrelated to this incident wrote the code that penalised threads with too high a comment:vote ratio?
- generalizations 6y agoIt's not that. The current number two (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26555873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26555873) has a similar ratio. 527:291 vs 412:293
- TechBro8615 6y agoI am completely lost here. I feel like a Boomer on Snapchat. Can someone please give a 5 sentence tl;dr of (a) who this person is, (b) what the original controversy was about, and (c) why the Reddit admins care so much? This is one of those stories that keeps popping up in front of me but I really do not have the will nor the time to engage with it, so I'd really appreciate a concise and unbiased summary if anyone can offer it.
- Closi 6y ago(a) She is a reddit admin that was previously a public figure in both the green party and the liberal democrats. (b) While in the green party, she recruited her father as a campaign manager while knowing he was being charged for sexual offences, and he would eventually be convicted of raping and torturing a 10 year old child which was held captive in the attic of the house she was living in at the time. This brought disrepute to the party and she was removed. After this she got a position within the liberal democrats, and got suspended from the party after her boyfriend's twitter account was found to have posts admitting to having sexual fantasies involving sex with children. (c) Reddit admins presumably care because they have now employed her as an admin, but don't want any criticism of her past as referenced in (b). This is presumably to protect her as an employee, but is problematic as they act as a news sharing site to some extent, and she is/was a public figure.
- goatinaboat 6y agoCan someone please give a 5 sentence tl;dr of (a) who this person is, (b) what the original controversy was about, and (c) why the Reddit admins care so much? This person is a former British political candidate (Green/LibDem) who allegedly concealed from electoral officials the heinous crimes committed by their campaign manager. This person is now employed by Reddit and is abusing their newfound admin access.
- routerl 6y ago(a) Former UK Green Party equality spokesperson and candidate, current Reddit administrator (read: employee not volunteer). (b) While a candidate for the UK Green Party, she employed her father as campaign manager ("election agent"). Her mother, who lived with the father, also ran as a candidate and also employed the father as campaign manager. In 2018, her father was charged and convicted of raping and torturing a child in his home. (c) This person currently works for Reddit, and is allegedly enforcing a line of censorship in order to protect herself from online harassment.
- Supermancho 6y agoThis is for /r/ukpolitics only?
- bvm 6y agoNo, it's being patchily enforced sitewide.
- Supermancho 6y agoCanary post: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/mbdg8o/a_senior_saudi_official_issued_what_was_perceived/gryeowg/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/mbdg8o/a_senior_...
- AlexTWithBeard 6y agoEvery time I see a topic where one point of view is banned I can't stop thinking of the 1930's Soviet Union when arguing with theory of communism could lead one into a deep trouble.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoReddit should not be censoring criticism of Challenor. It’s called “consequences.”
- theklub 6y agoSo this is how you stop the social justice mob.
- CodeGlitch 6y agoReddit must have been desperate to fill a diversity role. That's the only reason I can think of for employing Challenor given their past actions.
- debacle 6y agoReddit will never be profitable in the fiscal sense. They are trading in other forms of capital at this point.
- Symbiote 6y agoI think the unwelcome article is probably this one, since it is easily found with a Google search suggestion: "Aimee Challenor G[raham Linehan]". NB the final picture is Challenor dressed as an infant (dress + teddy bear). Most other images are cartoon drawings from fetish/furry sites. https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-bo... (I'm posting this link as it seems important to the discussion. I'll check in about 30 minutes and delete it if it is significantly downvoted.)
- phpnode 6y agoThe original link was to this story in the Spectator https://archive.is/OqCr0 https://archive.is/OqCr0
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- sonthonax 6y agoThat's such an incredibly vile article, it pretty much amounts to cyberstalking. It's pretty disgusting how he morally grandstands after digging out the fetish content of a really troubled 15 year old: > Whilst we might recognise that Aimee Challenor is a tragic victim in this mess, we must remember the positions of power and influence he held and how quickly and easily he reached them. The Spectator is equally vile too. It's the best example of how the British class system gives the most mediocre fringe twats a platform to deliver their vitriol with a public school veneer.
- debacle 6y agoIt seems to me that the author is trying to highlight the person in question's extreme privilege. Were it not for Challenor's father, it seems like this person may not have had the opportunities that they do.
- HoolaBoola 6y agoGiven that the author is Glinner, a notorious transphobe (who has been banned from pretty much every even somewhat sensible platform for that), I very much doubt he cares at all about anything except that the person in question is a trans woman. Glinner is awful, and no one should ever read anything by him.
- b1476 6y agoThere appears to be some heavy editing/removal of information going on with the Wikipedia page relating to her.
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- Lammy 6y agoCan we get /u/maxwellhill to weigh in on this?
- axguscbklp 6y agoFor some reason, there is a fanatical subset of trans people, almost all of them biological men who identify as women, who are extremely prominent on the Internet, and particularly on Reddit. They wield an influence that is out of all proportion to their numbers. Edit: for this story in particular, there is a pressure of cancel culture on both sides. On one side, a person's husband got doxxed after having admitted online to having pedophilic fantasies. On the other side, there is mass Reddit censorship together with attempts to cancel people for supposedly being "transphobic". The cancelation and doxxing seem unwarranted and unpleasant to me regardless of which side is doing it.
- sto_hristo 6y agoThey deplatformed a president and a company overnight... don't tell me the banning of a bunch of users of some site is something that is going to surprise you? Enjoy distributed censorship.
- stickfigure 6y agoThe ELI5 context for those (like me) that were very confused: Aimee Challenor is a trans (MTF) woman who was very active in UK green party politics. She appointed her father as an official in her election campaign after he had been arrested for rape and torture of a 10yo girl. For which he would subsequently be convicted and sentenced to 22 years. Adding additional color to the narrative: Aimee Challenor is very active in the furry and infantilism communities. And her farther committed his crimes while wearing wearing baby-doll dresses and nappies. Aimee Challenor left the green party (accusing it of transphobia) and apparently now works in some capacity for Reddit.
- Taurenking 6y agoGo figure, what a nice person
- morpheos137 6y agoReddit only hires the best. Did anybody prove out the u/maxwellhill hypothesis yet?
- sunsetMurk 6y agocan you provide some (good)links so I can read more about each of these points? Thanks!
- tim333 6y agoSome covered here https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/24/chaos-at-reddit-as-dozens-of-subreddits-made-private-in-protest-at-site-2-14297612/ https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/24/chaos-at-reddit-as-dozens-of-...
- throw7 6y agoAFAICT, this is a synopsis along with article link: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/mbbb56/aimee_challenor_and_the_danger_of_transgender/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/mbbb56/aimee_challe... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/aimee-challenor-and-the-danger-of-transgender-politics https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/aimee-challenor-and-the-...
- DarkByte8 6y agoThis thread is 2 hours old, 476 points, 240 comments and is 125 spot on the main page. Something is not right
- srg0 6y agoThere're reports that Reddit is editing user comments before deleting them https: //www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/mbd6q1/the_green_partys_woman_problem_the_spectator/grxxbzx/ As far as I know Reddit doesn't maintain previous edits, so this is also a cover up, and it prevents any recourse.
- Psype 6y agoStreisand effect is going to be really stong with that one... If someone needs copy pastes : 𝒜𝒾𝓂𝑒𝑒 𝒞𝒽𝒶𝓁𝓁𝑒𝓃𝑜𝓇 𝕬𝖎𝖒𝖊𝖊 𝕮𝖍𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖊𝖓𝖔𝖗
- golergka 6y agoAnd to add insult to injury, this post is flagged on HN. Why?
- niggerfag 6y agoOh noes, Reddit is in meltdown. Time to quote a book I've never read ("1984").
- iateapietod 6y agoi just made r/aimeechannelor - come and hopefully we'll get a little bit of time for discussion pre-ban due to the spelling!
- iateapietod 6y agoI made a subreddit r/aimeechannelor - hopefully the name lets us get a bit of chatting in before the ban hammer drops :)
- ng-user 6y agoIs this Reddit as a whole or specifically /r/UKPolitics?
- grapecookie 6y agoreddit is designed for censorship. It has been a dumpster-fire of group-think since 2018. Anything against the collective is quarantined and then banned. I stopped going there when they banned every decent meme subreddit bc of 'offensive jokes'
- nickalaso 6y agoAnd this post has been flagged too, presumably by some group that is sharing the link internally, targeting the spread of this information as if it was a threat to them. There has to be some sociological phenomenon that explains these kinds of events, and the strange group-think hivemind warfare type behavior that is now commonplace on all social media, across the entire political spectrum. Does anyone have reading recommendations? This kind of thing fascinates me.
- externalforces 6y agoanyone know the user, its the wrong thing to do but harrasment is all i can feel right now, i want to grab her fucknig bitch ass neck, oh wait she doesnt have one, and strangle her.
- externalforces 6y agocan i have, the username, i know that harrasment is wrong, but it's all i can do, i don't give a literal fucking shit, i am pissed off. Even large felons, agree that diddling kids is wrong.