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I built a lay-down desk

• jamescampbell 6y ago
  Wow. Wow. Wow. I have nothing else to say.
• tdons 6y ago
  This reminded me of wall-e. Sorry.
  • ataluttasgiran 6y ago
    I thought the same thing.
• ThePadawan 6y ago
  But where do your put your mug of tea?
  • zingplex 6y ago
    If you drink fast enough, I don't see any problem.
  • curryst 6y ago
    This is the biggest question I have. This, to me, doesn't function as a desk because of the incline. It has the potential to be a remarkably comfortable means to use a desktop (or perhaps laptop if you built in a way to mount it), but without a way for me to sit my coffee on it, or to put a notepad somewhere and not have to worry about it sliding off. I know you can build in mounts for that stuff, but I think there's a lot of value in how dynamic desk surface is. Need 2 notepads so you can see things side by side? Cool, put it on the desk. Working on 2 laptops today, because you got a new one? Cool, put it on the desk. I wonder if you could find a way to to make things stay put. Anything sticky would get all over your arms. Velcro seems usable if you put the soft side on the desk, but it's ugly. You could maybe use magnets that you embed into your stuff to increase the friction enough that they don't slide. Won't help with tea, but it should work for most other things. Modern monitors and computers without magnetic hard drive are okay with magnets, right? (I can't say for sure)
    • jaclaz 6y ago
      > You could maybe use magnets that you embed into your stuff to increase the friction enough that they don't slide. Well, you are lucky that floppies are a thing of the past ;-).
  • baud147258 6y ago
    On the ground? It should be close enough to grab it.
• roland35 6y ago
  Once again the Onion predicted reality! https://www.theonion.com/more-office-workers-switching-to-fetal-position-desks-1819595666 https://www.theonion.com/more-office-workers-switching-to-fe...
  • slightwinder 6y ago
    I think Homer Simpson did it first, in s08e02 with hammocks.
    • teddyh 6y ago
      Gaston did it in 1957: http://www.gastonlagaffe.com/fichiers/DatesGastonContenu/1018_2_GD.jpg http://www.gastonlagaffe.com/fichiers/DatesGastonContenu/101... Translated text: “He says that there’s nothing in the rules which forbids him to work in bed.” (Image found on this page: http://www.gastonlagaffe.com/datesgaston.php#evenement1 http://www.gastonlagaffe.com/datesgaston.php#evenement1 – scroll down to 18 octobre 1957).
  • andreareina 6y ago
    There's a comic strip I can't find anymore that showed the progression of ergonomic work environments, ending with a workstation with the person leaning forward with their chest supported. Imagine someone on a sports bike, that's about what the position was.
• zoba 6y ago
  A friend once said “There’s all these studies about how bad sitting is for you. Now there are even studies about how bad standing desks are for you. Nobody ever says anything bad about laying down so I just try to do that as much as possible.” I still laugh. Perhaps true in part though.
  • diegocg 6y ago
    The worst potential consequence of laying down is that your back muscles would become weaker. This is one of the reasons why sitting harms your back, and with laying down it would be even worse. Unless it's combined with some exercise it could be a really bad idea.
    • bamboozled 6y ago
      I use a backless chair, called “The swooper”, imo it’s the best of both worlds. Sitting and standing. You can bounce aroundd on it which is fun too as the seat is mounted on a spring like a pogo stick. Apparently this bouncing helps keep the joints lubricated.
      • Spacetoaster 6y ago
        How long are you using it for every day? I also own that chair, but i find it uncomfortable for longer periods of time and tend switch to a chair with a backrest after ~1h
        • bamboozled 6y ago
          Hello, Some days I actually sit on it for 8-10 hours (I hate to admit it). I do take breaks and it can become fatiguing so occasionally, I feel like having a slouch so I go lie on the floor or use a regular chair (with decent posture) for a break. Probably what this chair has done for me the most is make sitting with bad posture feel noticeably strange and unnatural. There must also be something to be said for the fact that there is a “ramp up” time. I don’t think I have a stronger back from using this chair alone, although I guess I do have a less damaged and atrophied one. I do remember a time when it felt like certain muscles were getting stronger. I vaguely remember it taking a few months to become comfortable. It’s worth mentioning that I do a fair bit of weight training too and that I’ve had the chair for about 8 years.
• animex 6y ago
  When I was having RSI and back issues from so much sitting in my life, my research pointed me at 0g workstations very much in similar configuration to this combined with split keyboard and thumb trackballs, I came close to ordering one which would have set me back $2500 USD or more. Luckily, I managed to avoid having to go full WALL-E with massage and excercise.
• paulcole 6y ago
  I’ve been saying this for years. Standing is the new smoking.
• willj 6y ago
  What about your arms? Wouldn’t they get tired from always having your arms above your head/heart?
  • Dylovell 6y ago
    velrco wristbands?
• telesilla 6y ago
  Those unfortunate enough to have injuries have similar desks, I have a journalist friend with very bad RSI or whatever you call it these days: she can't work fast any more but it let's her rest and apparently it's the easiest on her wrists.
• delgaudm 6y ago
  http://archive.is/Xyf6r http://archive.is/Xyf6r
• bloak 6y ago
  > Nobody ever says anything bad about laying down Really? Then let me be the first: IT'S "LYING DOWN", FFS! You can be laying down the law, but on a bed you are usually "lying down". This has been a public service announcement, et cetera, et cetera.
  • iambateman 6y ago
    Hey friend, take a breath. Idk what’s going on in your world but you sound pretty stressed.
    • js2 6y ago
      As someone who shares bloak's sentiment, there's two different verbs, lay and lie, and pointing out the difference is a hill worth dying on. (I doubt bloak is actually upset. It's mock outrage.) Edit: I was actually confused by the title of the submission which is illustrative of the distinction between the two words. To me, a lay down desk is a desk that can be laid flat, and that's what I thought this was going to be. Some kind of desk that could be easily collapsed to make space. Whereas, a lie down desk is a desk you lie down to use.
      • OJFord 6y ago
        Re edit, that's not new ground though: aren't all desks 'standing'?!
        • js2 6y ago
          True, there aren't transitive and intransitive versions of stand, but since desks stand by default, you can make assumptions about what a standing desk is. I really was not expecting a lay down desk to be something you lie down to use.
          • OJFord 6y ago
            I agree with you; I read it the same way, I was just saying that 'standing desk' already annoyed me.
• scudd 6y ago
  This looks comfortable, but I wonder if I'd actually be productive in this. I tried sitting on an exercise ball for a while for posture, and it definitely was a small nagging distraction. I find I'm 95% equally productive with a standing desk, but I have noticed that when I'm embarking on a couple hours of focused work, I lower it to seated.
  • fishiecracker 6y ago
    I'm actually the opposite. I noticed that when I'm focused on work, I like to stand more!
  • luckylion 6y ago
    I have a similar desktop with a standing desk that can go quite low + good gaming/office chair that I have approximately at desk height. My monitor is on an arm so it's a bit more than an arm's length away from me and at eye level. I have my feet on the table and the keyboard (made out of one piece with a hand rest) in my lap. Can't say exactly about productivity, but I really enjoy working this way.
  • GordonS 6y ago
    I used an exercise ball some years back, and actually found it increased my focus; I think the stance made me more alert. The biggest problem was that if I used it for any length of time, my stomach core was in agony!
• jasonpeacock 6y ago
  I love the creativity/problem solving, and your plan-less approach. Rapid prototyping is the key to not over-investing. You'll quickly figure out what you like & don't like, and because you didn't invest too much you're more free to hack it up later :)
• greenie_beans 6y ago
  lol, yes! i do more work than i'd like to admit in a horizontal-ish position
• hackpert 6y ago
  Honestly I just sometimes want a clamp with a flexible sturdy arm, like one of those workbench lamps, to suspend my laptop above my bed. Pretty cool work nonetheless!
• DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
  I'm having trouble deciding if the construction and woodworking are excellent, terrible, or both :) At first it looks really flimsy and jumbled together. But on closer inspection it seems more stable, and ultimately the proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
• msluyter 6y ago
  In college I had some back problems, so I improvised (an incredibly unwise) lay-down desk by putting my monitor face down on two chairs and just lying with my face underneath it. This was a heavy CRT, not a modern LCD monitor. (Did I mention this being incredibly unwise...?)
  • xuhu 6y ago
    I suspended a kindle over my bed on two 2-meter rails used for reinforcing wall edges. Best reading I did while recovering from leg injuries, but risky as you mentioned.
    • Topgamer7 6y ago
      I 3d printed the rather popular clamping system from thingiverse. Worked pretty well until it broke.
    • emerongi 6y ago
      In a small apartment I used to rent, there was a rod for hanging clothes over the bed. I didn't use the rod, so I just hung a tablet from the rod and watched movies in bed. It's a very comfortable position to be in, don't have to strain your neck.
    • finnh 6y ago
      If you miss that relaxation, try out some prism glasses. Great for zero-next-strain reading while supine.
    • zwayhowder 6y ago
      I have a cantilevered tablet holder over my bed, it can hold a Kindle or iPad without effort and has both clamps and an elastic cord to retain them. Then for ultimate convenience (laziness) I connected a bluetooth presentation clicker to my iPad to turn the pages for me so I didn't have to keep reaching up or take my arms out from under the blanket on cold nights. In two years it's never dropped.
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• christophergs 6y ago
  I've found the best lying down desk is a $300 mini-projector and a yoga mat. You project at the ceiling (so projector is above your head) and then put a wireless keyboard on your stomach, with mouse by your side. Alternate with a standing desk. Good after 10 years of jiu-jitsu and a knackered body
  • mdorazio 6y ago
    That sounds pretty awkward for typing more than a few sentences. Do you have something to angle the keyboard somewhat?
    • searine 6y ago
      I do something similar. Typing isn't bad but it's sometimes tough to get your fingers at the right starting positions for touch typing. I put a few tactile stickers on the keyboard to help. Otherwise it is very comfortable. In my experience, I've found a MS Surface and a gooseneck ipad holder is a lightweight ideal laydown desk. I clamp the gooseneck a few feet above me in bed and I can lay perfectly flat and have access to a full PC. It also can be disassembled and stored in moments.
      • aasasd 6y ago
        > I put a few tactile stickers on the keyboard Could you please point me to your choice of stickers, or mention the brand? I desperately need some bumps on the current keyboard and thought of messing with glue and plastic, but it hasn't occurred to me that someone already made a finished solution for that. From searching, I now see a bunch of related stuff, like braille and such, so it would help to narrow it down to more suitable products.
        • top_kekeroni_m8 6y ago
          Don't most keyboards have small bumps on F and J keys, so you can actually orient your hands when touch typing?
• RankingMember 6y ago
  This is the kind of contraption you really need a partner/roommates/someone within screaming distance around to use safely.
• andreareina 6y ago
  Kudos for OP scratching their own itch, but I'm wary of anything that makes it easier to spend even more time not moving.
• jonpurdy 6y ago
  I was in the market for a desk and chair recently. Long story short: sitting at a floor table and on the couch all day was causing issues with my back and hamstrings. I did look into the AltWork setup mentioned. At $7000 (or $4500 for manual option), it's quite expensive but not that bad if amortized over a 20 year period of working 8 hours a day. Investment in long-term health is worth it if the product works as it should and lasts the expected amount of time. Aside from my wife not wanting it in our apartment (I understand), there isn't enough evidence that zero gravity workstations improve health versus just a good ergonomic chair (ie. an adjustable chair that fits your body) and desk (adjustable and gets low enough to support 90° elbow angle without hitting your legs). In all cases, one needs to take breaks to stretch and move around, not to mention daily exercise. Went with a HM Embody (armless) chair and IKEA Skarsta hand crank desk instead; zero regrets and I wish I got them earlier (especially the Embody)!
  • programmertote 6y ago
    Does HM Embody squeak from plastics grinding like some reviews I've read online. Thank you for sharing your experience!
    • larrywright 6y ago
      I’ve had mine for 7 years and I hear no squeaking. I’m not a small guy either.
      • programmertote 6y ago
        Thank you for reassuring. :)
    • jonpurdy 6y ago
      The only squeak I hear is if I sit down or get up from the chair and put the weight of my hands on the seat. No squeaking when just sitting in it, even when adjusting tension and recline.
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• skye-adaire 6y ago
  Why reinvent the bed? All you need for a lay down desk is a 12 inch orthopedic foam wedge and a laptop tray. Both readily available in Amazon. I've been working this way for years.
  • hammock 6y ago
    Well it is a $30 billion market and still (somehow) growing at 10% a year globally..
    • Ancapistani 6y ago
      > still (somehow) growing at 10% a year globally My intuition is that as people's standard of living improve, bedding is one of those things that gets easily overlooked when you can't afford it but is somewhere investing some "real" money returns a good result. I went from using the bed from my parents' house (which was a hand-me-down) to a dorm bed (briefly) to the absolute cheapest thing I could get my hands on that wasn't stained brown or covered in bugs. It wasn't until I was relatively successful and making ~$80k / year that I felt like it was reasonable to invest in a nice mattress, and even then, I came to the conclusion that the "mattress store" beds were way overpriced and had little to differentiate them. I ended up with a memory foam bed off Amazon. It was ~$200 for a queen and I've had it for about five years. The biggest issue I have with it is that the fabric seems to take stains more readily than my previous mattresses. Comfort-wise, I'd put it on part with a $1,500+ "mattress store" brand, so I'm happy replacing it every few years and passing my old one on to someone who doesn't have a decent one. In fact, it's getting to be about that time...
  • oftenwrong 6y ago
    And the monitor is suspended above you?
    • skye-adaire 6y ago
      It's easiest for laptops, since the laptop trays have adjustable angle. If you need a desktop monitor, you can get an over-bed table and mount a small VESA mounting arm. If you can spend 1k, the absolute best is to get a medical VESA arm and mount it to the wall. These can also have trays for keyboard and mouse. https://products.multibrackets.com/en/wallmounts/flexarms-vesa/m-vesa-full-motion-medical-arm https://products.multibrackets.com/en/wallmounts/flexarms-ve...
• molsson 6y ago
  It's a beauty. Why buy a finished product when you can quickly put something like this together ?
• DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
  (I hope this isn't too off-topic, but since we're talking about computer desks that accommodate unusual sitting positions...) Has anyone found a good solution for positioning a mouse and keyboard in front of yourself while sitting on a recumbent exercise bike? My primary use case is exercising while gaming. I can somewhat get by when playing mostly-mouse turned-based strategies; I put a table next to my bike and use the mouse on that. But it's not good to keep my shoulder at that angle for so long, and I'd like to also play games that require active use of the mouse + keyboard. So far I haven't found a good match on the market. I could build one myself, but TBH I'd rather not spend the time right now to iterate on the design.
  • ahelwer 6y ago
    You could use a keyboard tray with an articulating arm, assuming you find some way to mount it to your bike. Humanscale makes nice ones, which can often be found at steep discount on ebay.
    • DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
      Thanks for the idea! I went to their website but didn't see any good matches. I've emailed them asking for suggestions and now I'm waiting to hear back.
• Joker_vD 6y ago
  The true true way to be arranged in front of a computer is to be duct-taped to the ceiling [0]. [0] https://compete.kotaku.com/15-years-later-heres-why-a-gamer-was-duct-taped-to-a-c-1796679499 https://compete.kotaku.com/15-years-later-heres-why-a-gamer-...
  • hinkley 6y ago
    If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
• robomartin 6y ago
  The secret to anything in life is simple: Balance. Spend too much time at the extremes and negative results will follow. This is no different. Sit too long; stand too long; lay down too long. All bad for you in the long term. I switched from a sitting to a standing desk with a high chair. This allows me to switch between sitting and standing multiple times per day without having to fiddle with the motorized desk too much. I make it a point to go for a short walk a few times a day when I transition from sitting to standing. And exercise is key. I've seen lots of these desks that allow you to lie down. From my perspective, this is a horrible idea unless there's a solid medical reason for it. In other words, someone with a condition that almost requires it. People in bed at extended care facilities develop all kinds of problems. This is no different. Almost every muscle in your body weakens. Not a good thing. I hate to think what happens to gamers who buy these desks and sit there for ten hours at a time playing. Horrible stuff. Avoid the extremes at all costs.
• robofanatic 6y ago
  Cool! If I build (or buy) something like this I would just keep admiring it for days rather than focusing on my work. A great work from home setup should just disappear and should not be a distraction between you and the work!
• cblconfederate 6y ago
  My friend who has to keep his legs raised due to a health problem will love this. That said, working from home i sit less in front of the computer. That's because i can read something walking around or whatever, and there 's no reason to "look busy". I also find that a simpler immobile chair with no armrests keeps me more refreshed.
• globular-toast 6y ago
  Wall-E really doesn't look too far away now.
• linsomniac 6y ago
  I tried this ~15 years ago, based around a Novus Zero Gravity Recliner. At the time I had been having a decade of upper back pain that just wouldn't go away. At one point it was so bad I could hardly get out of bed. At that point I went to an osteopath, on the recommendation of a physician friend of mine, and he gave me some isometric exercises for my neck, and the pain was instantly gone. I'm not kidding, if he'd dome some slight of hand with chicken parts, I'd totally believe in that psychic surgery crap. But before that, I created a mount for a laptop and second monitor that would clamp into my bicycle maintenance stand (Ultimate Support Classic), and I could rotate the arm around to bring the screens to a comfortable location. The biggest problem I had was that there was very little arm support. I could rest part of my forearm on the chair's arm rests, similar but less so than what the article has. Maybe in his case that's fine, but for me it was like holding my arms out in front of me at a 45 degree angle and after maybe an hour it was pretty painful in my shoulders. I probably would have added some additional armrests to it if my back problems hadn't been solved and I decided to abandon it. I was happily using a Thinkpad keyboard with trackpoint at the time, so the mouse issues didn't impact me. One could also imagine a counter-weighted mouse, with the weights hanging off the back, via a pulley sort of system. I also found being entirely static for hours at a time wasn't that comfortable, and that sort of "bucket seat" really doesn't lend itself to anything but one position. Maybe a decade after that, I tried another experiment that worked pretty well. This one I guess I'll call a "lounging desk". I got a nice leather club chair with ottoman, and a big, heavy entertainment center that I put to the side of it. On the top of the entertainment center I had my laptop and one 30" monitor, and then a monitor arm holding another 30" monitor. This was in front of a window so I could look outside. I could swing the monitor in front of me, and the club chair allowed me to sit or recline or curl up, lots of different positions. This was actually a pretty nice setup, and if I hadn't shortly after that moved jobs to an at-the-office setup, I'd probably still be using it. These days I find switching between sitting and standing to be very comfortable.
  • programmertote 6y ago
    If you don't mind taking a picture of that set-up, I'd like to see it. If you don't feel comfortable, I'd understand as well. :) I have back-pain and have been looking for a (cheaper/affordable) way to have a lounging work set-up like that for two years now. Every decent option I see would cost me ~$5000 and I cannot afford that right now. Thank you.
• RocketSyntax 6y ago
  hmm. you could make it a lot simpler if you could slide the chair in on a track
• skizm 6y ago
  Once VR is high enough fidelity, we should be able to just use a VR headset and virtual monitors, hopefully. There is even pretty good hand tracking software such that if you look at your hands with the VR headset on you'll see your hands, and you can also project the keyboard for the times when you need to look at your hands and / or keyboard.
  • andybak 6y ago
    > Once VR is high enough fidelity, we should be able to just use a VR headset and virtual monitors, Some people who've tried the new HP Reverb G2 are claiming we've already reached that point. I'm not so sure myself but it's pretty close.
  • bserge 6y ago
    Yep, I'm waiting for this, as well. Streaming from Steam, the games are great, but the desktop needs (much) higher resolution. At the rate display resolution is improving, I'm quite sure it will happen this decade.
  • 0xffff2 6y ago
    High fidelity and light weight. Any VR headset that ways more than a chunky pair of glasses isn't going to be a monitor replacement for me.
  • alexpotato 6y ago
    I remember a couple years ago reading that to get roughly of 1080p of at VR headset distances would require the equivalent , from a pixel perspective, of several (I believe it was 8) standard sized desktop monitors. The implication of this was that we were a LONG way off from having that level of resolution so I would be very interested to know current state of the art. Also, this article about how different distances between eyes, pupils etc could affect VR was fascinating: http://tomforsyth1000.github.io/blog.wiki.html#%5B%5BVR%20optics%20and%20why%20IPD%20means%20too%20many%20things%5D%5D http://tomforsyth1000.github.io/blog.wiki.html#%5B%5BVR%20op...
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• ExcavateGrandMa 6y ago
  ahahahahaha EPIC :D
• grugagag 6y ago
  Ive seen some laying down setups that looked great but is it healthy to lay down for too long? Second, doesn’t the blood pressure drop cause a cognitive drop as well? I become sleepy when I lay down. I did some work in bed and I think I napped twice.. While it is cozy and comfortable I dont think this is conducive to productivity unless the back problems dissapear temporaruly to allow the sufferer a respite with some better productivity
• EdSchouten 6y ago
  I assume what you built looks safe, and I absolutely don't wish any harm upon you. Still, why does a setup like this make me think of the contraption Thomas Midgley (the inventor of lead additives for petrol and CFCs) built? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Later_life_and_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Later_life_...
• major505 6y ago
  My back hurts only from seeing this.
• major505 6y ago
  seens confy, but my back hurts buy only seing this.
• ryansmccoy 6y ago
  I'm always reminded of the movie Grandma's Boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLR3faI7lU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLR3faI7lU
• frank2 6y ago
  When I daydream about something like this, it is so that I can keep my hips straight (the way they are when people are standing or lying flat). In my daydream, I am lying flat "on" ("against"?) a board, as if lying on a bed, but the board is at an incline of about 45 degrees. The board is of a slippery material like formica to make it easy for me to get on and off it, which makes it important for there to be a "ledge" at right angles to the board for my feet to "stand on"("rest against"?) so I don't just slide down the incline.
  • Cactus2018 6y ago
    Maybe the thing you are daydreaming about is an "inversion table"?
    • frank2 6y ago
      Thanks. (For clarification, in my daydream, my head is definitely higher than my feet.)
• xwdv 6y ago
  The best lay down desk for a vim based programmer is to have a good mattress and a split keyboard, one half of the keyboard on each side of your body with arms unbent down by your sides, and then monitors suspended above you facing down.
  • war1025 6y ago
    Something about reading this made me deeply uncomfortable as the only thing I could conclude from imagining it was that I was basically paralyzed. Weird.
    • xwdv 6y ago
      Sure, I guess working in a chair would also be like being paralyzed in a wheelchair.
  • walleeee 6y ago
    > monitors suspended above you facing down Or aim a projector at the ceiling
• sumodm 6y ago
  Something on similar lines, from a while ago at my alma mater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMuS3wZ-bM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMuS3wZ-bM
• rgoulter 6y ago
  > keyboard ... kinesis advantage I'd wonder if a split keyboard like the Dactyl Manuform wouldn't be more comfortable instead.
• strawberrypuree 6y ago
  I am interested to know if this will have any impact on a person’s sleep. It’s my understanding that the laying down position is best reserved for sleep and sex, else you risk disrupting your circadian rhythm.
• twalla 6y ago
  I would look into t-slot aluminum extrusions if you wanted to do a v2. It can be ordered pre-cut and pre-drilled from multiple vendors at various price points. And would make teardown/setup much easier.
• joehenriod 6y ago
  Now that the new VR Star Wars game is out...... I can imagine being in this position as my cockpit for serious lengths of time.
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• corpMaverick 6y ago
  Reminds me, when we were working on a start up on my apartment I had a reclinable sofa. It was actually very comfortable. The problem was that any person who seated there would fall a sleep after five minutes.
• monksy 6y ago
  Am I the only one that saw this and got very concerned about the structure? That's a lot of weight and hinges in this system. It looks like a guillotine for the stomach.
  • jamescampbell 6y ago
    Yes. Not sure why he built it this way at all. Makes no sense to me.
  • bad_alloc 6y ago
    Yeah. lets hope there is some support we cannot see behind it.
  • maxwindiff 6y ago
    Same here. The way the thing wobbles in the video doesn't inspire confidence. Although even if the monitor falls off I don't think it will hurt too badly.
    • hinkley 6y ago
      It's hard to keep wooden structures from racking, and wood flexes a lot even when the joints are solid. As I stated at the top level, I'm not a fan of the hinge, but the side braces he added to hinge were a good idea.
  • polote 6y ago
    There is a space inside the desk board to let the body go, then both sides of the desk are resting on the chair so there is no force applied on my stomach. And contrary to what we can imagine, there is not much weight, the right part of the desk, which could fall on me if something breaks is about 40kg. Thats the advantage of wood, it is very light
    • monksy 6y ago
      From what I'm seeing is: 1. There is a failure near the top of the stand. The whole thing comes collapsing down verticaly 2. There is a failure in the swing-> pressure is pushed towards the user. I just saw that the table connects to the chair.. looks like that would mitigate some of the force 3. When pushing the desk out to get in, there could be a failure at the pivot point above..if you're sitting in there.. that's a post going to the head. Posts are VERY heavy. They're even worse that high up and above you.
• bloomingeek 6y ago
  I love the innovation in this project! The brain power used and the experimenting involved is awesome, plus the physical component. There is a kind of "high" that comes from hands on work. I couldn't use this for any long time period, but each to his own.
• Grimm1 6y ago
  I just wound up having open surgery and this would be amazing to have around right now. I was actually thinking of something like it last night. Great stuff and really could be useful for the people who for various reasons need to remain in a lying position beyond that it looks like it was a lot of fun to build.
• supernova87a 6y ago
  I don't know if anyone else does this really bad habit, but at night I sit in bed with my laptop, back against the wall, laptop on my lap/upright knees. Then gradually, I sink into lying down and my laptop held on it's bottom edge on my chest, knees keeping the laptop upright. Finally, I know it's time to go to sleep when I doze off and the laptop hits me in the face. I always dreamt of having a laptop stand that could suspend the laptop above me while lying down. I guess this guy made it happen.
  • jedberg 6y ago
    I used to do that a lot. Then my mother in law got me this thing that you fasten to the headboard and it suspends your phone/tablet above your head, so you can lay down and consume data. It basically looked like a desk lamp with a tension holder at the end.
  • hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Even better is to gain a slight potbelly so that you can just lie down on your back and with your laptop on your belly, elevated into a comfortable line of sight.
• dmarlow 6y ago
  Never run when you can walk. Never walk when you can stand. Never stand when you can sit. Never sit when you can lay down. Never lay down when you can sleep. I can't wait until I'm working in my sleep. /s
• CNJ7654 6y ago
  This project has just the right amount of jank
• cwkoss 6y ago
  If you sand the corners round and apply some spray shellac, it would look much more 'complete' and less "something I whipped together in the garage in a weekend" Cool idea though, looks functional
• medell 6y ago
  Anyone interested in dynamic sitting or creating a workplace that encourages movement and strengthening that goes against this passive lay-down desk, check out Katy Bowman's work: https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/dynamic-at-home-work-and-school-spaces/ https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/dynamic-at-home-work-and-...
• Dansvidania 6y ago
  I find this a bit weird. Isn't laying down even worse for you than sitting? I recently have bought a stationary-bike-desk, hoping it will offset the sedentary nature of my job with some sweating. It makes my home-office look ridiculous, but my legs are getting a workout.
• Krasnol 6y ago
  Great build! I wish I'd have the space for it. I recommend the Logitech MX ergo trackball. The bottom part is hold by a magnet. You can stick it to the table board!
• wolco2 6y ago
  I hurt my back recently and moved a monitor to the top shelf area of a kid sized desk with a keyboard and mousd. This converted it to a standup desk. If I sit down I have another monitor and keyboard ready to go.
• godot 6y ago
  I'm not sure if it's just me getting old, but I find that if I look at a screen while laying down (especially mobile, because typically that's the only type of screen I can use while laying down) for more than a few minutes, I start getting a headache/migraine. As I got older, I have to follow a general rule of sitting in a proper desk and chair to use screens. Anything else doesn't really work for me.
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• FpUser 6y ago
  Not counting occasional meetings I work from home for 20 years already. I tried all kinds of chairs and discovered one thing. Nothing really works for me when spending much time in a chair. And even though I am fit my back did not really like the way of life and started to hurt. Finally I've got myself rowing machine and in addition to a regular physical activities I also row for an hour every other day or two. This has worked wonders for me. My back feels fine now and I have no problems whatsoever sitting at the regular desk. Come summer I let it go and swim in the open water instead to the same result.
• everydayDonut 6y ago
  I'm severely disabled from a back injury and I use this over my bed, with a vesa wall mount attached. I've also got a pair of joycons that I use as dual mice through steam https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0109Y3CCE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0109Y3CCE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
  • hombre_fatal 6y ago
    I'm having trouble understanding how that goes "over a bed" from looking at the photos.
    • everydayDonut 6y ago
      With a 25" wall mount arm attached to the side of the tower, the screen hangs right over my bed. It does take a bit of balancing though depending on the weight of the screen and computer. I've got a 27" monitor on the side with the longer legs, and a large desktop on the opposite side near the ground
• jam 6y ago
  I've had a setup like this for years, but it's much simpler: monitor arm [1], ultrawide display [2], keyboard + trackpad lap tray [3], any couch. Been through many iterations and like this gear, but you can do it for cheap just as easily. Mount the arm to something (like a desk) and swing it over the couch to lay down. In my case, I can actually pivot it between the couch and the chair on the other side of the desk. Great for a few hours a day when you want to sink into focus mode. Super highly recommended it. [1] https://www.humanscale.com/products/monitor-arms/m-81 https://www.humanscale.com/products/monitor-arms/m-81 [2] https://www.lg.com/us/business/desktop-monitors/lg-34BK95U-W https://www.lg.com/us/business/desktop-monitors/lg-34BK95U-W [3] https://www.hekseskudd.com/products/ambidextrous-slim-keyboard-tray https://www.hekseskudd.com/products/ambidextrous-slim-keyboa...
  • bee_rider 6y ago
    Same, I put my desk next to a recliner and the monitor on an armature and just swing it back and forth. The downside: the arrangement is kinda comfortable so I tend to play games in it. As a result, my mind associates it with non-work and have trouble focusing there. Also laying down all day is probably not healthy.
    • jam 6y ago
      Luckily I've managed to associate it with more of a "deep focus" state, but a lot of people seem to feel like they'd get tired and fall asleep if they used a setup like this. I actually think the biggest downside to the multi-station dynamic setup is that the ideal monitor configuration for that is a single curved ultrawide, and there are essentially no high resolution options.
  • martinflack 6y ago
    So, is the keyboard tray resting on your legs just above your knees and your hands are resting on top, sort of at 170-180 degrees (if raised above your head was 0/360)? Or have you done something to raise up the keyboard so your hands are more like 90 degrees (like a normal desk pose puts them)?
• xcambar 6y ago
  You have a nice bike ;)
• WalterSear 6y ago
  I thought I was the only person who preferred coding lying down.
  • hombre_fatal 6y ago
    I do my best coding on my laptop lying down on my stomach. I built a PC and don't even use it because sitting at a desk is so crappy.
• bstar77 6y ago
  I find the lounge position very comfortable for working. It requires a laptop, but it's way easier on my back which improves my energy levels and focus.
• matthewtovbin 6y ago
  I appreciate the efforts, but this is the ugliest piece of furniture I have ever seen.
• Paul_S 6y ago
  This desk will likely injure you at some point, hopefully not kill you.
• jansenmac 6y ago
  https://lewebpedagogique.com/chepakoilire/files/2017/02/ob_529aa1ba0b5c3d626f1013c33bb1359b_travail2-001.jpg https://lewebpedagogique.com/chepakoilire/files/2017/02/ob_5...
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• plasticchris 6y ago
  Moving is better, i.e. https://xkcd.com/1329/ https://xkcd.com/1329/
• block_dagger 6y ago
  Here’s a simpler solution that works well for me: https://medium.com/@jcraigk/healthy-hacking-diy-supine-workstation-cbaadcbbc2aa https://medium.com/@jcraigk/healthy-hacking-diy-supine-works...
• djtriptych 6y ago
  I'm an engineer and yogi. I've been experimenting with tons of working positions in the WFH era. I really need to take pics.
  • lucb1e 6y ago
    Either that or describe it.
• pjs_ 6y ago
  Honestly glad that this guy is out there doing his thing but I wonder if his dating challenges (also discussed on the blog) might be somehow correlated with this setup...
  • polote 6y ago
    Author here, you made me laugh so hard, of course it is correlated
    • pjs_ 6y ago
      Right on man, seems like you have a good sense of humour which puts you ahead of most of the pack to begin with :) good luck!
• lowbloodsugar 6y ago
  I started this journey because of neck pain. My posture has been pretty bad for neck pain, as I prioritized avoiding carpal tunnel. Now that I have a relaxed neck, I'm finding that I still get neck pain due to shoulder position. So having built a zero-g solution for my neck (i.e reclined with monitors still "in front" of my eyes), I am still working on shoulder and arm positions. I thought solving awful neck position would resolve the pain but it didnt. However, removing that problem now allows me to be sensitive to arm position, and all the times i'm using muscles to grab the mouse, or reach for a key. My WIP involves a Zero G chair from relax-the-back, a sit-stand desk from which I mount the three monitors only, and a side table for the Mac. I dropped the $$$ on the chair because (a) it is motorized so I can change position throughout the day slightly, and (b) because if I ever have to go back to the office 100%, the chair is nice enough to put in the living room. The sit-stand desk allows moving the monitors up and down. Finally I have a couple of pieces of foam, with an MDF board glued on top for a workspace. The foam rests on the chairs arm rests, and now also two more side-tables just to support the foam. I use two magic keyboards, one for each hand (karabiner is required to make the cmd key etc work across keyboards) It is a WIP. Step 1 was taking the load off my neck. I can now totally relax it during the day, with the result that I am now taller. Step 2 is taking the load of my shoulders. My second iteration has resulted in my elbows being slightly above my shoulders, so I'll be needing to get some thinner foam. I'm in for about $5k so far, mostly the chair. Will hopefully get to a writeup when it is 100% comfortable.
• irrational 6y ago
  What I don’t see addressed is how to stay awake. I would seriously fall asleep while working.
• Tepix 6y ago
  Here is a professional "rocking chair" like modern looking piece of furniture that looks as if you can use it both whike sitting upright or laying back: https://www.trendhunter.com/trends/gamer-rocker-chair-disguised-as-organic-workstation https://www.trendhunter.com/trends/gamer-rocker-chair-disgui...
• Tepix 6y ago
  Here is a similar diy project description in German: https://dekomilch.de/burodesign-2/ergonomischer-pc-tisch-zum-selber-bauen/ https://dekomilch.de/burodesign-2/ergonomischer-pc-tisch-zum...
• 6510 6y ago
  I build it like this when I was 13 in (1987): You get the largest screen you can afford (use it at a low resolution) Put it on the wall just under the ceiling. Put a stack of books under the legs of the bed. This is an art in it self. If you gradually increase the angle eventually you slide down. Train the legs to "stand" like this and gradually increase the angle by tiny amounts. This way it magically qualifies as a zero effort leg exercise. (my legs got huge muscles from it) Get thick curtains to make the room pitch dark. Switch off the lights, adjust the themes and dim the screen to the point you cant see anything on it anymore without getting used to the dark for 5-15 min. This will allow comfortable naps while coding. As soon as a task feels complicated take a nap. It is hilarious to wake up and see absolutely nothing besides text on the screen.
• Fnoord 6y ago
  > I can't use a mouse anymore, as the mouse would fall down, I'm probably going to replace it by a trackball Apple Magic Trackpad 2 with velcro on bottom. Even a vertical mouse could work too. Else something which ensures mouse doesn't drop (foam, cord not too long, a holster to store it, or something magnetic perhaps). What is the effect of such a desk going to be on blood flow? Does this increase chance of hemorrhoids? I'd just use a hangmat with a MBP for a simple lay down desk. More modular and less work. Or a bed + laptop; what I currently use for remote work. More out of necessity (noise and space constraints) though.
• tabbott 6y ago
  I've been using the Altwork (https://altwork.com/ https://altwork.com/) desk for this purpose since January, and I'd recommend it to anyone who wants this sort of thing. It was expensive (~$7K), but I needed it due to a medical condition that makes extended sitting difficult for me, and it's made a big difference in my ability to work despite this condition. The workstation is awesome technology; it's really well built, nicely runs wires everywhere, etc. My only complaint is that the headrest is too hard to be lying down on it for hours at a time -- I fixed that by putting an old sweater between my head and the headrest, which made it perfectly comfortable for me. One thing that might not be obvious is that it takes up surprisingly little space -- something like 4' x 6'. Talking to them about the delivery, a lot of their customers are other folks with medical reasons to want it, because I think that's what justifies the price point for people. But the price will come down with scale (there's already a $4K model: https://altwork.com/products/flex-altwork-station?variant=34559067717781 https://altwork.com/products/flex-altwork-station?variant=34...). And at that price point, the price is immaterial compared to software salaries, at least if you think about it as a capital item that will amortize over many years.
  • jeromenerf 6y ago
    It seems well done and adequate for certain conditions. It screams science fiction and split keyboards. I would not know where to lay down all my paper notes though :)
• boomskats 6y ago
  I've run something similar in the past [0]. My advice is, avoid having your hands too vertical above chest height for hours, as the lack of circulation will annoy you, and either get an Ergodox or a Rollermouse (but obviously not both). [0] https://imgur.com/8o2TGgJ https://imgur.com/8o2TGgJ
• smooth_remmy 6y ago
  I found standing alone to be unpleasant so i found a "leaning chair" that allows me to slightly lean back as I stand. I do that 80% of the time and sit 20% of the time. The leaning chair is basically a waist-high wall that you lean against. It does help me to better tolerate standing all day. Only downside is that it can hurt my knees if i don't use it correctly.
• esaym 6y ago
  I thought about this same idea for a long time like 5 years ago. From hanging a monitor from the ceiling with string, to complicated wood framework such as the author. I finally realized that you can get about 90% of the way with a simple "medical table" ($50 on amazon) and a normal la-z-boy recliner.
  • buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
    Wow, brilliant. I'm tempted to try this now. https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Tiltable-One-Touch-Adjustment-Hospital/dp/B0798VX8L2/ https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Tiltable-One-Touch-Adjustment...
• samtuke 6y ago
  I work laying down at least one day per week. Its particularly good for sessions of long project work. Only a yoga mat, regular small couch cushions, and a small adjustable side table are required for my setup (to suspend my laptop from). Personally I use a wacom tablet and split, vertically arranged keyboard (koolertron), but I dont think those are really necessary. Touch typing is a must however, as you cant see the keys. Each half of the keyboard rests on my upper thigh, with one end on the floor, so my arms are in a very natural position resting by my sides. This setup alleviates all my back pain/tension, and is also easier on the tendons in my wrists and elbows. Working this way extends my maximum working days per week by at least one.
• timwaagh 6y ago
  the thing is, why should it professionals be constructing their own ergo desks out of poverty. most professions that have physiological risks have the employer provide the safety gear... still stuff like this is getting expensive. im buying my sitting/standing desk second hand. still about 400E.
  • temikus 6y ago
    I think it depends on the employer - mine has no issues getting ergonomics like a standing desk or a wrist saving mouse/keyboard. They even upgraded my home office setup when COVID happened. Though I would admit that 11k lying desk with actuators will probably be a no :D
• hinkley 6y ago
  I stopped hanging out in /r/DIY before /r/DIWHY became a thing, because it was turning into a roast of people risking life, limb, and property by doing something structurally unsound. There's educating people on building standards, and then there's just bagging on people. In an attempt to be more of the former than the latter, if the string or especially that strut sheer off of their mounts, that whole contraption is slamming down. Your groin is pretty well protected, but you can still catch that upper bit in the teeth. Figure out how far stuff should move and add stops to keep it from going a hair farther. Replace most of the nails with bolts (beware of end grain, which can split, in which case nail/bolt makes little difference). Aside: My personal favorite trick that doesn't get used enough is eddy currents. If something has to move easily but not too quickly, a piece of aluminum, copper (or I think non-ferrous steel?) and a rare earth magnet will decrease the terminal velocity of the moving bit. You still take a hit, but you might walk away from it.
  • grenoire 6y ago
    Lord, thank you for this comment. The structure looks like a death trap and the physics of its construction make very little sense. Be careful everybody!
    • pessimizer 6y ago
      More like a mild-mishap trap.
    • de_watcher 6y ago
      The comfychair and Spanish inquisition.
      • TLightful 6y ago
        Hahahaaaa!
    • tweetle_beetle 6y ago
      This comment falls into the "...and then there's just bagging on people.", which the parent wanted to avoid.
• gremlinsinc 6y ago
  I'm lazy enough, w/ this I may never be vertical again, lol.
• hownottowrite 6y ago
  “ Beautiful, isn't it? It took me half a lifetime to invent it. I'm sure you've discovered my deep and abiding interest in pain. At present I'm writing the definitive work on the subject. So I want you to be totally honest with me on how The Machine makes you feel.”
• afrojack123 6y ago
  Cool but work performance will take a hit because less blood flow will go to the front of the brain. You need a lay down desk with your front facing at the ground.
• f69281c 6y ago
  Sometimes I lay down and play games all day. I always feel like a lazy braindead slug afterwards. I imagine this desk setup slows you down a bit, at least.
• hal9000-tng 6y ago
  I sit in a recliner and project 1080p onto the living room wall from two projectors. Previously, I did the same thing with three 4k 55" TV's. Both setups are relatively inexpensive (especially for the "wow" factor) and can be done in a reasonable size room.
• l00sed 6y ago
  You are an absolute madman! Haha
• Humphrey 6y ago
  I had to re-think "desks" after breaking my collarbone two months ago, and spent a lot of time in my make-shift couch lay-down desk. While I had full control over my lower arm and hand, moving my upper arm and shoulder was painful. The only position I could stay in for extended periods of time was laying down, and I needed to find a way to use both hands without shoulder pain. On day 2, I discovered that I could spend hours lying flat on the couch with my legs propped up with cushions and a laptop on my 45deg legs. In that position, I could use the computer two handed for extended times as if I didn't have a broken collarbone. Coming into the office to work (as COVID has been eradicated in my part of Australia) was harder since more than 20mins in an upright position (chair or standing) caused my shoulder to ache. It took me a couple of weeks to work this out, but I ended up using a large upright shaped bean-bag as my office chair. I could mold the beanbag to give my arm support and sit the more reclined position that re-leaved aches. Having an Ikea standing desk helped, as I get into the bean bag and then lower the desk to match. It's healed enough now to use regular chair and standing desk, but I learnt a lot about me and desk positions. My main conclusion (after 15years of having a coding job) is that variation is key. There is no magic seating or standing position. Even if there was, it would be become uncomfortable eventually. While probably the worst seating position for my back and posture, I have kept the beanbag chair at work, because using it occasionally feels good. And, when at home I have continued to use the lying flat on the couch position, because again, it's different to how I usually use computers. Which brings me to my main thought on this project (which I love the idea of): It's too permanent. I'm sure it'll feel amazing and comfy for a few days (or even weeks), but at some point for my body, it'd become just as annoying and uncomfortable as a regular desk.
• Uptrenda 6y ago
  damn this setup seems --way-- too complicated. if you want to lay down and work why not just use a couch or beach chair and a laptop? alternatively, a bed and some pillows works fine, too. i work from home and i mostly only use a desk if im falling asleep, in which case -- im using a standing desk. the rest of the time im in bed resting on some pillows and going over tech stuff. prob not the healthiest life-style but i find desks super uncomfortable and hard to focus. ops setup seems insane to me
• joeblau 6y ago
  I love this, but I would fall asleep in this thing in 2 seconds.
• fulyscentedking 6y ago
  or buy this for $14,000 https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-thronos-air https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-thronos-air
• dvduval 6y ago
  If I were to build something, I would want it to be continuously moving in such a way that my body was not getting into fixed positions for a long period of time yet maintaining a pretty good posture. Perhaps I can program different sets of movements, yet the movements wouldn't be so distracting and I couldn't do my work.
• fukpaywallsII 6y ago
  A simpler solution would be to use a 4K laser light project and point it at the ceiling. Learn to touch type.
• m3kw9 6y ago
  There is a chinese thing called Fung Shui. Which says this is very bad Fung shui, it doesn’t make you feel good when you look at it, and probably will hurt you
• brandonheato 6y ago
  Way easier: buy a projector, use your ceiling as the screen, lie in your bed.
• mastrsushi 6y ago
  In US, the price equates to: $300 in material, $10,000 in medical bills and physical therapy.
• m0zg 6y ago
  That's a good way to utterly ruin your back. Muscles atrophy if you don't use them. If you don't get up all day, absent supplemental exercise you'll screw up your back in a few months.
• mikeymz 6y ago
  "go the agile way and to not do any plans" hopefully this was a joke
• tomcooks 6y ago
  I don't understand the nasty comments about safety, it's 3 monitors not a guillotine. Props to the author for tinkering (and doing it with limited resources) instead of buying something new. To one's own decapitation in the search for freedom and comfort!
• georgetony 6y ago
  Instead of having just one position to work from, I found it is better to be able to alternate between an ergonomic sitting position and a lay-down position. The easier it is to alternate between these positions, the more you will do it because there is less friction. Picture of my setup: https://imgur.com/a/OLhkrPV https://imgur.com/a/OLhkrPV Bought a used Aeron chair about 10 years ago and is still working fine. Love the Kinesis Keyboard, also about 8 years old. The Lounge chair needs to be replaced once a year ($50) because by that time the fabric on the back becomes saggy and will start to cause discomfort on the back. I don't like to use multiple monitors. Somehow I couldn't get used to it. When I'm on the Lounge chair, keyboard is on my lap and I use the arm rest to make sure my wrist is not pressed against anything. When I'm sitting, the armrest is adjusted to keep my wrist from touching anything.
• Jemm 6y ago
  Over bed tables are a much simpler alternative. I have been using one for decades so I can get things done while stuck in bed due to illness.
• kerryoco 6y ago
  Whenever I've tried this angle of recline I've fallen asleep pretty quick. The one thing I've always wanted to try though was face DOWN recline, like a massage parlor, approaching a sensory deprivation kind of experience. Again might need a lot of coffee beforehand though. Would love to hear any reports from the daring adventurers who may have tried it. I think the blood flow to your arms might get weird, issue #1 ...
• Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Did you consider putting the chair on wheels or a track that could slide you underneath a statically mounted “desk”?
• Dobiasd 6y ago
  Wow, what an effortful solution. I simply use a recliner and a monitor mount, and it works perfectly for me. Components similar to the ones used in my setup: - https://i.imgur.com/fdcwta6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fdcwta6.jpg - https://i.imgur.com/rdyJnQX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rdyJnQX.jpg The mouse is located on the armrest (I don't need to use it too often), and the keyboard (a heavy and thus stable one) is on my lap (I don't need to look at it while typing).
• RichardHeart 6y ago
  The speed at which you can get out of device to answer the door is often overlooked. You can do something much easier. Recliner next to wall mount tv angled down. Keyboard on lap, mouse on PC next to chair, or roller mouse under keyboard on a cutting board. Hotglue, or velcro, or blutack to attach to board. I also built a reclined exercise chair desk. https://twitter.com/richardheartwin/status/920855964580016128 https://twitter.com/richardheartwin/status/92085596458001612... Make sure to isolate the monitor stand from the bike stand, or it will wiggle unbearably.
• virtualritz 6y ago
  Related: my friend Sascha is starting production of this design classic furniture piece[1] from his collection again: I have one of the original prototypes in my flat and I've been sitting in it, while coding, 8-10hs every day. Pretty much since the lockdown started here in Germany and throughout the rest of this year so far. The reclining angle is fixed in three steps from 125-130-135deg which is ideal, pressure wise[2]. The legs are up so far that they won't fall asleep (your feet have to be under your heart, vertically, for that to 'just work'). It is one the most comfortable 'chairs' I know. Before the lockdown I never used it for working, only for reading or watching movies. When there's a sit-in at my place there's usually a fight for it among the guests. It doesn't yet have any of the contraptions attached to it to make it into a 'lay-down desk' though. I usually work with a laptop on my legs and for that it's absolutely fine -- as-is. Sascha is now looking into designing an extension that allows mounting 1-3 screens and a keyboard/mouse/touchpad/Wacom combo. Just like the contraption in the linked article. :] With the caveats: it will be structurally sound (he's an ex aerospace engineer) and -- assumedly -- beautiful too. I'll try posting this on the front page once his shop goes live. [1] http://www.suk-design.de/coffy/ http://www.suk-design.de/coffy/ [2] https://ergonomicshealth.com/reclining-seating/ https://ergonomicshealth.com/reclining-seating/