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Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake
- varbhat 6y agointel also has new LOGO .
- daneel_w 6y agoThey're really throwing everything they can at "the AMD problem" in hope that it goes away.
- Sebb767 6y agoIt actually looks really cool in my opinion. Hey, at least some exciting novelty from Intels side :)
- userbinator 6y agoThe "flat" trend has infected it too, and it's unfortunate because the new logos look more like something from the fashion/cosmetics industry than a serious semiconductor company. ...still not as bad as what happened to Atmel's logo, however.
- varbhat 6y agowhat happened to Atmel's logo ?
- userbinator 6y agoOld: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo.svg New: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo_svg.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo_svg.svg
- sgerenser 6y agoNot a big fan of the new Atmel logo but the old one screams 1978.
- fomine3 6y agoCapital "R" (or small "e") is weird for me.
- osipov 6y agoBut can it run Crysis? https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/but-can-it-run-crysis/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/memes/but-can-it-run-crysis/
- marrone12 6y agoPlease leave these in r/gaming
- juancampa 6y agoand in 2007
- pixxel 6y agoActually, Crysis Remastered is due for release soon. So the meme lives on.
- strictnein 6y agoAnd the new question is "Can it run Flight Sim 2020?"
- exikyut 6y agoI wonder what would happen if Crytek released a version of the game that took "make it minimally require next year's hardware" to the extreme, and whether the meme would cause everyone to just either quietly buy new hardware, or declare a Vista-esque revolt.
- minimaxir 6y agoIncidentally, the nVidia presentation yesterday made a Crysis joke.
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- mcdirty 6y agoSnoozefest
- jandrese 6y agoThe article doesn't appear to mention the price points for these new chips. I also find it interesting that the TDP maxes out at 50W. Is Intel entirely focused on the medium/low end or is there a problem with doing higher TDP chips using the "SuperFin" architecture?
- rgbrenner 6y agoLower tdp is one of the advantages of a smaller node.. and they have such low yields on 10nm they have to prioritize chips where that matters: laptops. In fact that’s been their strategy for a while from what I understand.
- marmaduke 6y agoI think it matters for a data center as well: all the power you push into a CPU has to be pumped back out by the air conditioning.
- belltaco 6y agoThese are laptop chips.
- Traster 6y agoFrom what it sounds like, they're focusing on producing the low-mid power chips because they have a smaller die size and obviously it's easier to get yield up.
- IanCutress 6y agoThese are laptop processors - Intel also didn't release 1000-unit OEM pricing in our prelim info.
- jjoonathan 6y agoIs 10nm finally yielding or is this a paper launch / "10nm"? EDIT: ah, these are laptop chips, that's the catch.
- Aperocky 6y agolaptop chips at 50W? Someone's going to be buying a brick.
- wffurr 6y ago50W is peak under all core turbo and only if the laptops cooling system can handle it. Most systems won't come anywhere near that
- sudosysgen 6y agoThis is not generally how Intel measures TDP, unless they changed something this time.
- wmf 6y agoTDP is 15W, max turbo is 50W (if the laptop can handle it).
- sudosysgen 6y agoThe 15W processors don't turbo to 4.8Mhz (Oops! Ghz), though.
- renewiltord 6y agoBecause surely they're many orders of magnitude faster? :)
- sudosysgen 6y agoGood catch!
- 3JPLW 6y agoThe chip image surprised me: where's the L3 cache? On previous generations, L3 cache was a significant amount of real estate. Is it no longer shared between cores?
- icegreentea2 6y agoL3 cache is under the "Coherent Fabric" block (it's the 12MB Last Level Cache thing).
- 3JPLW 6y agoI'm talking about this image: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16063/474551355-Intel-Blueprint-Series-11th-Gen-Intel-Core-Processors-pdf-page-034.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16063/474551355-Intel-Blue... I don't see any coherent fabric blocks — what looks like large cache sections to my eyes are entirely inside the "Core" blocks. Maybe they're just not drawn correctly. Here are some much older i7s, for example: https://www.cs.uaf.edu/2009/fall/cs441/proj1/russell/images/df94g6m6_4gxrw53gk_b.png https://www.cs.uaf.edu/2009/fall/cs441/proj1/russell/images/... https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/Core_I7_LGA_2011_Die-1.jpg https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/Core_...
- wmf 6y agoThe labeling on that image is... approximate. You can see the orange L3 blocks inside the area labeled as cores and it's still shared.
- 3JPLW 6y ago> it's still shared Right, that was really my main question: besides the labeling (which is of course approximate), the positioning sure looks like each core would have its own "favorite" section of the cache. And being shared, it seems like this could make for some interesting performance behaviors. Ah, interesting, this topology was introduced with Sandy Bridge. I'm just out of date: https://www.anandtech.com/show/3922/intels-sandy-bridge-architecture-exposed/4 https://www.anandtech.com/show/3922/intels-sandy-bridge-arch...
- johncalvinyoung 6y agoStill wondering when we'll see Tiger Lake on H-class TDPs
- wmf 6y agoProbably CES.
- zionic 6y agoThe contrast in community enthusiasm between this and Nvidia's 3xxx announcement could not be more severe.
- headmelted 6y agoThat was exciting. The performance gains are exciting. The product is exciting. The architecture is exciting. This is not exciting, unless I’m entirely missing the exciting part of this, which is wholly possible.
- wffurr 6y agoNative Thunderbolt, much faster clock speeds, and greatly improved graphics. Solid offering all around I think. Should give some competition for the Ryzen 4000-series laptop chips.
- tmpz22 6y agoI don't think this launch competes with even 3000-series or 4800 laptop series AMD chips [1]. [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop-we-ve-tested-thus-far-have-been-outperforming-the-Intel-Core-i7-10875H-and-Core-i9-10980HK-but-there-s-a-catch.466999.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Every-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800H-laptop...
- yborg 6y agoIt's been a couple of decades since we saw people praising an Intel offering for being able to compete with AMD. Have to hand it to Lisa Su. Maybe having an engineer running an engineering company is actually a good idea.
- headmelted 6y agoCheck out the YouTube video where Steve Jobs talks about what went wrong at IBM and Xerox. I think AMD are pretty safe from Intel for a while. That’s not to say they won’t be threatened by other parties, but it’s clear Intel still thinks it’s fabs are it’s biggest problem. (I.e. were I Lisa Su I’d be more concerned about the new ARM chips coming over the hill from Nvidia).
- headmelted 6y agoWell I think collectively we can all say... Ok? Not a great time to be Intel.
- worldmerge 6y agoIt will be interesting to see how these perform compared to AMDs laptop chips. I imagine the graphics tech is where they'll be able to shine especially on lower end laptops that don't have a discrete GPU.
- OldHand2018 6y agoForget about AMD chips for a moment. They're x86 and Intel can play that game for years to come. With a lineup of chips aimed at fanless ultraportables, pay attention to their performance compared to the upcoming Apple Silicon chips, or more importantly, the Qualcomm chips that Microsoft and Samsung are putting in their fanless ultraportables. Intel needs to head off the rise of Windows on ARM.
- dougmwne 6y agoFrom a quick read, in case anyone is wondering, this is built on the latest-gen 10nm process which is a refinement on the previous 10nm process. Intel's goal was to focus on clock increases, so the instruction per clock is apparently not much changed. From looking at the tables, the whole line of processors appear to have nicely improved one core max clock speeds, which should hopefully help single core performance, which isn't something that has been increasing much lately. Anecdote: a family member and software dev just bought the latest macbook pro coming from about an 8 year old macbook pro. Apparently he doesn't perceive much real world performance difference between the 2 machines. He said single core synthetic benchmarks were higher, but not by much.
- tashoecraft 6y agoWorked swapped out my mid 2015, 2-core 16gb with a 2019 8 core, 32gb, and this machine is night and day better. It's so much faster at every task I throw at it.
- ithkuil 6y agoI concur. The machine "feels" not much faster because of the OS, but raw computation speed like compilation etc are noticeably faster
- burntcookie90 6y agoWhat is the difference between the storage drives?
- srtjstjsj 6y agoIn 2015 the 15" was 4-core.
- tashoecraft 6y agoIt was a 13’
- joakleaf 6y agoI agree. I don't feel much difference between the 15" MB-Pro i7 4-core from 2014 and the i9 8-core from 2019. The i9 really isn't noticeable faster on single core. Instead it gets hotter and its fans starts sooner. So I recommend keeping the old one if you have it.
- akeck 6y agoSamsung might not be pleased about the "EVO" branding.
- bserge 6y agoEh, Mitsubishi didn't care :D
- dyingkneepad 6y agoThey bought the space from the fighting game competition that was cancelled this year :)
- doe88 6y agoIs there an official roadmap for NUCs with Tiger Lake / Xe or derivatives?
- wmf 6y agohttps://www.techpowerup.com/268029/intel-nuc-roadmap-peeking-into-2021-tiger-lake-nuc-by-2020-end https://www.techpowerup.com/268029/intel-nuc-roadmap-peeking...
- Aardwolf 6y agoLaptop chips, somewhat boring to me. I'd be interested in fast desktop chips with fast single threaded performance, many cores, and AVX-512!
- melling 6y agoThe market for mobile devices far exceeds desktop computers https://www.statista.com/statistics/272595/global-shipments-forecast-for-tablets-laptops-and-desktop-pcs/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272595/global-shipments-...
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- vmchale 6y ago> Fast desktop chips with fast single threaded performance We can dream :p
- Aardwolf 6y agoI consider the i9-10900K good at that particular attribute! But it lacks the AVX-512 and is still that same architecture we've seen so many times now. i9-10900X has AVX-512, but is slower. I'd love it all in one package, fast single threaded performance when needed, fast multithreaded compiles, and ability to experiment with and benefit from AVX-512 specific workloads
- MrFoof 6y agoThe Ice Lake-SP replacement to the Xeon W-3245 should hopefully be that, if you're looking for a workstation. 16 cores with hopefully a base clock around 3.4-3.5GHz with a single core turbo around 5.0GHz is what I'd expect. Along with the 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes and 8-channel DDR support. Granted, workstation component pricing. Figure ~$650+ for a C621A chipset motherboard, and ~$2000 for the CPU without the massive (> 2TB) memory support.
- paulpan 6y agoWeird to see this "partial" announcement - since it's mostly for the U-series chips (up to 28W TDP). This suggests that Intel must really be getting pressure to release something competitive against AMD's Renoir offerings. The more performance-orient chips (traditionally known as "H series" but who know the new branding...) is still unannounced and unknown. Will have for 3rd party benchmarks to determine the real performance improvements. The single-core and GPU are certainly the highlights, but it's odd that even the top-end i7 chips still retain the 4 physical cores. AMD's 4700U is already at 8 physical cores.
- icegreentea2 6y agoYeah. But I think 4 cores at 50% higher base single thread vs 8 cores is actually a pretty reasonable tradeoff for many workloads. If they managed 6 cores though... would have been pretty awesome. I hope this delivers. I'd hate to see Intel go down in flames.
- paulpan 6y agoRight, that's perhaps a glaring omission. Last year's (Ice Lake) i7-10710U was a 6-core, 12-thread part with a TDP of 25W. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196448/intel-core-i7-10710u-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196448/... But it's entirely missing from this announcement. Seems like a regression.
- wmf 6y ago4C 11th gen is probably faster than 6C 10th gen (which is not Ice Lake BTW) because of higher IPC, larger cache, and better power efficiency.
- icegreentea2 6y agoSame base block argument. At 25W, the i7-10710U has a base clock at 1.6GHz, the newer parts are at 3.0GHz at 28W. For laptops (which are far more likely to thermal throttle), this is a huge deal.
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- supernova87a 6y agoSince I'm not a gamer or CPU-news-watcher, would anyone be able to put this in context? Is this: -- a major improvement in power efficiency, heat? -- major gain in speed (and who is the consumer concerned with this) Seems like everyone is more concerned with GPU capability as the bottleneck for whatever application these days.
- bserge 6y ago> power efficiency A bit, yeah > heat just enough to make a laptop 0.5mm thinner in order to have it PROCHOT throttle a lot of the time > major gain in speed Not noticeable by anyone. That's been the case for years, since everything Intel has is an improvement upon Haswell/Skylake. > GPU For anyone who cares about GPUs, these processors will be paired with some nVidia or (unlikely) AMD chips, so they'll be unused, just like most Intel IGPs.
- chx 6y agoThis is a nothing burger. Intel doesn't have anything. AMD pwnd them throughly and they are desperately trying to and failing to match them. That is all. Please note the lack of shipping dates and the positioning of these at "premier consumer" laptops meaning they can't produce enough still -- who the heck wants an 1500 USD IdeaPad? What's the point when the X1 Carbon Gen 7 is 1200 USD? You can spin that as "but that's previous generation" as if it meant anything at all. On the business side (14nm CPUs they can make plenty of), Intel hasn't produced anything new for three years now, they just change the labels so they announce something "new".
- AaronFriel 6y agoIntel needs to prove to consumers and investors that it can produce high value, high margin parts on 10nm or 7nm soon.
- userbinator 6y agoI wonder how much these will be deliberately crippled by laptop manufacturers putting them in systems with barely adequate cooling and/or turning down the power limits far below what they can actually handle. I have heard others with relatively recent laptops say they see the CPU go into power/thermal limiting if they barely exercise it with a few seconds of compilation. The power limit can be worked around with utilities, the thermal one not so much...
- wmf 6y agoThe point of Athena/EVO is to prevent this. Craptops won't get the EVO sticker.
- polskibus 6y agoCoffee Lake's i5 had 6 cores. Now it's down to 4 with HT. How is that an improvement?
- trynumber9 6y agoTiger Lake is more a replacement for Ice Lake, not necessarily Coffee Lake. I suspect 10710U will stay around for larger laptops, especially those with room for a dedicated graphics processor. The laptops too small for dedicated graphics will probably prefer Tiger Lake.
- abakus 6y agoWhat happens to Intel's independent GPU project? With the new nVidia 30xx series it seems that Intel GPU will have a hard time finding its niches.
- wmf 6y agoOfficially, Xe-HPG (high performance gaming) is "in the lab" and not canceled. https://www.anandtech.com/show/15993/hot-chips-2020-live-blog-intels-xe-gpu-architecture-530pm-pt https://www.anandtech.com/show/15993/hot-chips-2020-live-blo...
- mhh__ 6y agoAFAIK Xe is still coming. Ultimately, Intel have the resources to compete with Nvidia. If they want to they'll have to set realistic expectations though (Intel's revenue is more than AMD's, Nvidia's, TSMC's combined - it takes more than money though)
- lend000 6y agoNot too interesting for those interested in high performance desktop and server offerings. The fact that Intel's only new releases on 10nm are <=6 core low power products suggests their yields are still poor. AMD did a really smart thing with their processor designs. Instead of doing a large monolithic multiprocessor like Intel (which may be able to eek out some extra performance due to optimized wire placements), they use smaller chiplets. This results in requiring no manufacturing errors on a much smaller area of the die (which becomes exponentially less probable as the area increases). Even if AMD was using Intel's 10nm process, their yields would be better because of their modular designs that get soldered together after the lithography. Intel can still bin out some errors (the 10300-10900k are all the same chip with different parts turned off due to manufacturing errors), but the less modular design likely makes this less efficient. That's my understanding, anyway -- correct me if I'm wrong.
- ajross 6y ago> The fact that Intel's only new releases on 10nm are <=6 core low power products suggests their yields are still poor. That logic seems backwards. If you have poor yields you tend to favor higher-margin products (i.e. datacenter CPUs). This is a laptop CPU intended to sell at significantly lower $/mm2. As far as chiplets: multichip packages are an ancient idea, and the industry goes back and forth on them. Both Intel and AMD shippsed multi-chip solutions way back in the day, the current age of integration is actually the anomaly. You win on yield but lose on package costs, and the decision as to which to use depends on the specifics of the market you're trying to target. Certainly AMD would prefer to ship single-chip solutions and pocket the savings, but they can't. Likewise Intel accepts some loss of scaling because of the need to share die designs across the product line.
- ustolemyname 6y agoThe issue is your defect rate for larger chips. If a small laptop CPU only has 25% of chips being fully functional, a 4x the size server chip will only yield 0.39% of chips being defect free. I say this having no idea what Intel's defect rate is right now, and I acknowledge fusing of bad sections can mitigate this a bit.
- yread 6y agoThis article is really a lot more informative with synthetic benchmark numbers. https://www.notebookcheck.net/All-core-4-3-GHz-at-28-W-Intel-announces-the-11th-gen-Tiger-Lake-lineup-for-laptops-Full-specs-SKUs-and-preliminary-performance-comparison.490934.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/All-core-4-3-GHz-at-28-W-Intel... Intel's 4 core parts getting within 3% of AMD's 8 core parts, 20% lead in single core perf.
- IanCutress 6y agoThose are pre-sample non-final numbers. We didn't post Intel's numbers because they are unverified.
- kasabali 6y agoNote that the 28W TDP number is for 3.0 GHz base clock. 4.8GHz turbo would be 50W.
- throwme45353464 6y agoI would like to see the measured power usage attached to those results. Depending on the laptop and its TDP the OEM has set, these results can vary quite a bit.
- johnklos 6y agoDamn, they're going through generations quickly! Are they racing Firefox?
- wmf 6y agoIntel has been releasing one "generation" per year for... over 11 years? It's kind of tautological since they define a generation as whatever they release in a given year.
- dqope21 6y agoSeems like AMD will be gaining more market share in the near future
- fomine3 6y agoAV1 decode support is good news, as well as NVidia Apmere.