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Mozilla Lifeboat

1518 points by gkoberger 6y ago

jszymborski 6y ago
Given how different their missions are, I'm surprised to see Facebook on this list.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I was a bit surprised too, but presumably the priority right now is helping their former employees.
- core-questions 6y ago
  Eh, they need to hire, Mozillians need jobs, typically people who make what a Mozillian made will have a lifestyle that demands they find a new job pretty quickly, so they may not get to be that picky.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    Capitalism 101.
    - rosstex 6y ago
      Ethics is great and all until the money stops flowing
- metajack 6y ago
  The CTO of FB is an ex-Mozillian. There are quite a few ex-Mozillians here, including myself. Despite Mozilla's public posture that FB is enemy #1, the internal technical culture is more similar than different.
  - blub 6y ago
    They'll probably work with the same customers too, except instead of helping them fight Facebook tracking they will help Facebook track them better.
  - AshamedCaptain 6y ago
    Enemy #1? I hear more about Facebook in the Firefox default startpage than _everywhere else I look_. Today, in fact, there is a huge pseudo-advertisiment (at least in fr_FR) about "how I should not feel guilty about browsing Facebook [through Firefox]" , which almost made me puke. As a person who doesn't care about Facebook whatsoever, I didn't get the impression that FB was enemy #1, but rather I assumed FB was paying them money like Google is... I can actually see FB being happy to just give money away to Mozilla, just to influence them away from Google.
    - MikusR 6y ago
      That full page ad was advertising the Mozilla made Facebook container. Based on absence of Mozilla made Google container, I think that ad was paid by Google.
    - sciurus 6y ago
      I believe what you saw was a promotion of https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont... That extension is described as: "Prevent Facebook from tracking you around the web. The Facebook Container extension for Firefox helps you take control and isolate your web activity from Facebook."
  - LunaSea 6y ago
    What about the ethics culture?
- xwdv 6y ago
  A job is a job.
  - raverbashing 6y ago
    Agree I am critical of some fb practices, but if it was a choice between having a job and not having one, the decision is not hard It's a big company, with multiple areas. Find a less contentious area and go for that
- tw1423214 6y ago
  This comment really demonstrates the divide between those with a casual working understanding of Mozilla due to peripheral awareness vs those who are or were once heavily involved with the project. (Side note: it's hard to read discussions about Mozilla on HN for this reason.) Mozillians at Facebook is not new or novel. There was a time when it seemed like everyone was leaving Mozilla for Facebook. If someone collected the data, tallying every subsequent company worked at for every employee departed, it would be would be pretty unsurprising if the results showed Facebook as the biggest employer of former Mozillians.
  - speedgoose 6y ago
    I thought that people working at Mozilla were passionate about privacy, open-source, trust, and were working at Mozilla for the values. But you say many of them would work to the company with opposite values.
    - stu2b50 6y ago
      The reality is that most people like working with smart peers and cool technology. Being paid is also nice. Any moral or ethical values is somewhere in the middle of the pyramid of needs.
    - kjeetgill 6y ago
      Like any company's employees: they're all different people! They each have their own reasons for where they work and their own goals and ambitions. Any job you take is going to be a blend and balance across your personal passions, values, talents, desire for impact, financial goals and responsibilities, risk tolerance, and alternative available opportunities. Is it so surprising that one of the largest employers in the bay has attractive opportunities across a range of reasons?
      - yarrel 6y ago
        Employee motivations have zero relevance when discussing corporate actions where those actions are contrary to those motivations. The reverse is not true.
- jtsiskin 6y ago
  It’s easier to make change from the inside than out. I imagine more Mozillians probably means a stronger push towards E2E encryption, more data controls, stronger auditing, etc.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Facebook is not a democracy. There can be no change from the inside.
    - jtsiskin 6y ago
      Even a dictatorship has middle managers
      - anoncake 6y ago
        That have to do what upper management does or get fired.
- 627467 6y ago
  I think this confirms that at least Mozilla PR team was very effective in their job
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ayakura 6y ago
This is a nice gesture and it's good to see people reaching out to those who lost their jobs at Mozilla.
soulofmischief 6y ago
I hope a few of them go to Element. That's gotta be one of the worst UI/UX's I've ever seen in a chat app and it's 2020. I don't understand why we are perpetually going backwards.
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signal11 6y ago
Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. I wish you well for the future and hope you find a new gig soon.
- umanwizard 6y ago
  How do you know which teams were laid off? I haven’t been able to find that information.
  - bytematic 6y ago
    Mostly from tweets from (former) members
  - fgonzag 6y ago
    An employee tweeted that the whole servo and security teams were axed.
- Teckla 6y ago
  Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."
  - PenguinCoder 6y ago
    I'll go back to Lynx if that happens. We need FF and the Gecko engine.
  - usrusr 6y ago
    Had the same thought and it felt terrible. Couldn't they at least try what almost all other advanced open source organisations seem to do? Branch out a consultancy in their field of expertise that maintains an incredibly famous piece of open source code on the side to show off?
    - elcritch 6y ago
causality0 6y ago
It's very weird that Mozilla is laying off 25% of its workforce while at the same time spending oodles of cash on its Fix The Internet incubator. I'm not a business major; maybe this is normal.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  I don't know the details, but the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation have different budgets and legally have to spend the money on different things (since the Foundation is a non-profit). They can't just move money around like a normal company can.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Well... can they fix that? Please? At least for the future so this doesn't happen again? I'm not opposed to nonprofits creating systems to make sure donor money is handled appropriately, but it seems to me there's something seriously wrong with the current structure. In hard times, organizations generally need to focus on their core initiatives, not branch out even more!
    - dboreham 6y ago
      Probably would mean paying $$$ tax and/or returning money to whoever donated it.
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    The corporation can spend money on whatever the hell. That's why they set it up. You can infer from the foundation tax returns that most of the assets are held by the corporation: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... It's the assets held directly by the foundation that have implications for their tax status, and they only move assets to that status as necessary.
    - viro 6y ago
      "The corporation can spend money on whatever the hell. That's why they set it up." oh that is not true at all ... fiduciary duty doesn't work like that.
riffic 6y ago
fyi for the people involved in this: use of a mozilla trademark in a domain name is subject to the mozilla (tm) trademark policy: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ I hope your project doesn't run afoul of this :)
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Eh they laid off a bunch of their lawyers so I should be good.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    This comment may end up being 'priceless' in a way you won't appreciate but until then you have my vote.
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- Igelau 6y ago
  Which it should. I was confused because I really thought from the title that this was some new initiative from Mozilla. It's not affiliated; just trying to preserve the Old Boy Network.
  - gkoberger 6y ago
    I'm genuinely sorry if it comes off that way way, and I'd love to make any changes you feel would make it more inclusive. My goal was to create a public site trying to help newly-displaced former coworkers connect, not exclude anyone. Many of these people worked on making the web a better place for a decade. Mozilla's network is intentionally inclusive – the code is open source and can be contributed to by anyone who wants to get involved. None of these companies are hiring exclusively Mozillians, so feel free to apply either way!
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Define "subject to". The policy explains when they give permission, but nothing it says has any effect on which situations need permission.
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- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I would guess most people at Mozilla are just trying to earn a living and weren’t in it for any deeper philosophical reason. They pay very well.
hijp 6y ago
Does anyone know how the 3d effect in the header was achieved?
- gkoberger 6y ago
  It's surprisingly simple! I designed an SVG quick in Sketch, and did it in a way where I can shift things left to right. Then a few CSS animations just move things left to right. When rotated, it looks like it's rocking! Here's the initial SVG: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.svg?v=b7ea8350188628e6de9e5fe54388ded3 https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s... Everything else was just CSS
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  - zekrioca 6y ago
    > where I can shift things left to right. What does it mean that the image can be shifted from left to right? Just out of curiosity, because I thought at some examples such as a circle, but maybe not some complex shape?
- jaywalk 6y ago
  It's all just CSS animations.
varbhat 6y ago
This is good effort. SideQuestion: Given that most of MDN were laid off, Would MDN continue? It was good imo.
- tw1423214 6y ago
  The content still exists and the best work is/was contributed by volunteers.
- pknerd 6y ago
  Before MDN goes down, someone should archive the entire MDN.
  - tibbon 6y ago
    I'd venture a guess the Internet Archive's got that one in it's sights if needed (and probably already has copies)
  - minerjoe 6y ago
    https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline
AdmiralAsshat 6y ago
Can't open the link in Firefox, ironically. SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER error on the cert.
bdcravens 6y ago
I hope the formerly Mozilla employees all find roles quickly, but I suspect that well more than 250 employees have been laid off since the beginning of the pandemic. Is there a particular reason why these layoffs need exceptional response?
- niix 6y ago
  I was thinking the same thing. In addition, there have been a ton of tech/startup related layoffs, its odd that this one is getting so much attention and support from the community. Edit: Perhaps I'm a bit bitter, as I was laid off because of the pandemic after 4+ years at my previous employer, and left on my own to figure things out. I imagine the experience was the same for others in a similar situation.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    tech/startup culture loves the "making the world a better place" is such a crock, but i believe that Mozilla actually does. i do have more sympathy from a Mozilla layoff than somewhere like FB/Twitter/Uber/etc.
    - kgraves 6y ago
      They were warned about taking money and relying on Google for several years, now the money has dried up and the curtain has been pulled back from them, they only have a bookmark manager and a VPN as paid services to show for it. Sad indeed.
- tikhonj 6y ago
  I think there's two parts here: 1. These layoffs specifically get a lot of time on HN because people have strong feelings about Firefox, Mozilla's mission and the teams in particular (ie Servo, MDN). 2. Specific efforts like this site are a function of Mozilla's alumni community, which is a function of Mozilla/Firefox's culture. (Or, maybe, past culture?) So it isn't so much that the engineers laid off from Mozilla need more help than anyone else, but that the environment around Mozilla naturally creates help and attention for them.
einpoklum 6y ago
> Mozilla is laying off 250 people and planning a ‘new focus’ on making money Well, they seem to have lost the focus of making an extensible browser (and mail client etc.) But then, this decline was somewhat noticeable a decade ago alreadt, IMHO.
Normille 6y ago
This is what I'm seeing: /app/views/index.pug:40:173 38| .add-company 39| h3 #MozillaLifeboat > 40| p Mozilla has done two rounds of layoffs (#[a(href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/15/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-waits-for-subscription-products-to-generate-revenue/")first https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/15/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-...] and #[a(href="https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus" https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-...) second]). Mozilla has one of the most vibrant alumni networks, and Lifeboat helps connect Mozillians looking for jobs with people hiring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^ 41| h3 Other Resources 42| p A great place to find more people hiring and looking is the #[a(href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mozillalifeboat" https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mozillalifeboat") #mozillalifeboat] hashtag on Twitter. 43| h3 Add Your Company Unexpected token `tag` expected `text`, `interpolated-code`, `code`, `:`, `slash`, `newline` or `eos`
- gkoberger 6y ago
  It's fixed now! Try refreshing.
  - PenguinCoder 6y ago
    Not fixed :( /app/views/index.pug:84:1 82| footer An unofficial directory by ex-Mozillian #[a(href="https://gkoberger.com") Gregory Koberger] 83| > 84| --------^ The end of the string reached with no closing bracket ) found.
    - llacb47 6y ago
      Refresh, fixed now
      - PenguinCoder 6y ago
        Thank you. Nice resource.
sunseb 6y ago
"Combatting a lethal virus and battling systemic racism" and now Mozilla Lifeboat. I mean, WTF, maybe you should actually build a better browser than Chrome instead of doing politics.
dgellow 6y ago
This animated SVG is dope! Really cute, seems to be done only with SVGs and CSS animations as far as I can tell.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Yup, had to get it out quick so I went simple! Just a single SVG that I shift elements back and forth on, and rotated so it looks like it's floating!
  - STRML 6y ago
    This is honestly really impressive on such a short deadline! Looks really great.
  - ghostbrainalpha 6y ago
    Do you mind estimating exactly how quickly something like that could be produced? Great job!
    - gkoberger 6y ago
      The whole site took about 4 hours last night, and the SVG animation took about 2.5 of those hours :)
  - Rapzid 6y ago
    Curious what tool/tools you used for that if any.
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    - gkoberger 6y ago
      I made the SVG in Sketch and then did CSS transforms (by hand). Normally, however, I'd use GSAP for SVG animations: https://greensock.com/gsap/ https://greensock.com/gsap/
tus88 6y ago
Heh I was going to make a joke about it being related to the recent layoffs.
wodenokoto 6y ago
Some funny guy added Mitchell Baker (CEO of Mozilla), with a text a long the lines of "Working to grow Firefox".
baddash 6y ago
This reminds me of a scenario described by Alfie Kohn in "No Contest: The Case Against Competition". If I recall correctly, he describes how people looking for jobs actually are more successful if they work for mutual success within the context of a network like this one. It makes me curious: are there other job-searching networks that exist where people can work for each others' benefit? Is there a general one for any job-seeker?
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- dbcurtis 6y ago
  > Is there a general one for any job-seeker? Use your network. Make sure your friends know you are looking. Especially friends that are also looking. I've had conversations like this with old friends: "Hey, I'm looking for something new. Do you guys need an EE?" them: "No, sorry. Sure could use an ME, though, do you know anyone?" Give intros for friends, and they will give intros for you.
khawkins 6y ago
> Sr. Wokeplace Culture Officer > What are you looking for? > New and exciting workplace where I can subtly enforce woke culture on employees just trying to build technologies.
therusskiy 6y ago
it's cool and all, why the site though? There are plenty of similar websites for people searching for work
l1ghthouse 6y ago
"For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings. DM if interested in any of the below: - HTTP stack - Web dev tools - 3D/AR/VR - Mac app - iOS app - Web Extensions - Any web platform area (layout, web APIs, ...) " https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161 https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161
- hashtagmarkup 6y ago
  Offering a Safari job to someone from Mozilla probably hurts them more then getting fired.
- andybak 6y ago
  Is there any support for XR on the open web in that team? Genuinely interested if some of the spirit of Mozilla could be preserved in that transition.
  - sp332 6y ago
    Yup! https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293268688762572800 https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293268688762572800
- scarface74 6y ago
  Looking at the Twitter responses, I don’t know why people assume that every single Mozilla employee would put “being part of the open web and contributing to open source” above people’s crazy obsession with having a job and being able to afford food and shelter.
  - Aeolun 6y ago
    I guess everyone expects their job to provide food and shelter, so it would be a bit hard to advertise with that as if it were a positive.
    - scarface74 6y ago
nathcd 6y ago
Seeing this list makes me wonder: is Mozilla the only major software development nonprofit? (Feel free to interpret "major" however you want if you answer the question.) Regardless of one's feelings about Mozilla, the layoffs are really disheartening. And - sorry for the spicy take - I'm bummed to see Facebook and Amazon on this list. It would be nice to see other nonprofits on the list, but it's doubly disappointing to not see any and to also see the worst of tech's forprofits here. To go from Mozilla to Facebook would be quite the swing. (Of course, if people need jobs and Facebook/Amazon are what are most immediately available to them, I can't blame them. But I certainly hope that many that are looking for a new job are in a position to be picky.)
- tw1423214 6y ago
  It perpetuates misunderstandings to have them repeated so often, or repeated in a way that's sure to lead to misunderstanding. Mozilla Foundation is technically a "non-profit", but the company that develops Firefox is not. The non-profit does not fund any of the software development. Corporate revenue from the commercial business partnerships is what funds that, and it's able to cover 100% of it and then some.
  - haukilup 6y ago
    It seems to be a for-profit commercial company that is fully owned by the non-profit. IANAL, so I don't know the complexities involved with the setup. It's more complicated than trying to say that the "Mozilla that people think of" is not a non-profit. The Mozilla that I think of seems to be a combination of both.
- RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago
  They are not, but they are perhaps the most consumer visible (because web is eating everything). For less "sexy" non-porfits, there's Apache Software Foundation ("where software goes to die"), and of course Free Software Foundation (gcc, nano, etc.).
- kgraves 6y ago
  There's Linux Foundation isn't there? Seems to be growing strong.
Arathorn 6y ago
Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec https://matrix.org/docs/spec and https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc not suck), Safety engineering (subjective decentralised reputation, anti-abuse and anti-spam), Rust (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk is in the ascendant), and even possibly VR (we are on a mission to ensure Matrix is the comms protocol of the multiverse) - although Safety & Spec (and generally hacking on Element and Matrix itself) are the most important domains right now. https://element.io/careers https://element.io/careers has more details.
- athriren 6y ago
  The links on that page for the names appear go to github, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, so I think as long as the alumni use some online service that can serve as identity you would be able to post on the website itself. Obviously that is at your prerogative, just wanted to indicate it is not only Facebook.
- jernejzen 6y ago
  Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.
  - Arathorn 6y ago
    We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)
    - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
gkoberger 6y ago
Hey all, I built this last night as a resource for connecting Mozilla Alumni during this rough time. Mozilla laid off some truly amazing people this past year.... many of whom I worked with 10 years ago when I was there. As for why there's a red panda in the boat... despite the logo distinctly picturing a fox on fire, a "firefox" is actually the name for a red panda!
- agrippanux 6y ago
  I really like the boat/panda; how did you create that SVG? Source code says it was generated by Sketchapp, which I am not too familiar with. Overall great job, its super slick.
  - gkoberger 6y ago
    Hey! The initial SVG was made in Sketch (looks like this: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.svg?v=b7ea8350188628e6de9e5fe54388ded3 https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s...), and I animated it with CSS. Normally, I'd use a combo of Sketch (for making the assets) and GSAP (for animating)!
    - revjx 6y ago
      Wonderful job. Great illusion of depth with just SVG and CSS. Reminds me a bit of Wind Waker.
  - ab8 6y ago
    I second that. Great job!
- aetherspawn 6y ago
  The animated boat is immensely cute. I have a lot of respect that you cooked this up in one night, it humbles me. Props to even come up with the idea.
  - gkoberger 6y ago
Ijumfs 6y ago
AHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAAAAA, I'm sorry but this is just awful.
tibbon 6y ago
How to list a good organization and role there? The button for having one added goes to a 404'd Facebook page
- gkoberger 6y ago
  It's not a 404, just an internal alumni post. The goal is to keep it alumni-only, but if you have an alumni at your company you can email me (email in profile)!
rahul_201 6y ago
For Mozilla folks looking for remote job, she is offering a paid job board service for free https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl/status/1293237589202178048 https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl/status/1293237589202178048
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trynumber9 6y ago
Why was this one approved? https://i.imgur.com/knkH44b.png https://i.imgur.com/knkH44b.png I really doubt Assmunchio is a real name...
- jjcon 6y ago
  “my family built this country by the way”
- gkoberger 6y ago
  There wasn't an approval process initially because I didn't expect this to be so public/popular, but I've switched and now there's an approval process!
JabavuAdams 6y ago
Does anyone else not click the upvote button when the article has 314, 666, or 1337 upvotes?
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tmsh 6y ago
Dope website and inspiring personal website: https://gkoberger.com/ https://gkoberger.com/ Now I gotta work on my personal website.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Thanks :)
- brianzelip 6y ago
  Hmmm > Try this on a computer! This site is way more interactive on a bigger screen… so check it out next time you're on your desktop!
  - ulmas 6y ago
    In Chrome: Menu > check "Desktop Site"
    - brianzelip 6y ago
      Stop using chrome. Use Firefox, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/.
- baby-yoda 6y ago
  site gives me some nostalgia of the family room in microsoft bob :)
colmvp 6y ago
Some of these are weird. > What PartnerStack is hiring for: Infra devs, Python devs, JS devs, Product, Marketing Yet on their actual Lever.co jobs page the only technical role is a Senior Infrastructure Engineer?
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- gkoberger 6y ago
  That's the reason I added an alumni contact! Careers pages often are a lagging indicator of what jobs are available, which is where the value of a good network comes in.
  - staplers 6y ago
    This whole thing reeks of nepotism and this comment reinforces that.
    - gkoberger 6y ago
      Hey! Thanks for the feedback. Mozilla is a large, public community working on open source software, and anyone can become a "Mozillian"... you don't even need to program! This isn't meant to be sneaky. It's just people trying to help out newly-unemployed, qualified people find a new job in a tough time. And I made it public for a reason – so anyone can find out about and apply for any of the jobs!
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      You think the author is all these people's uncle? > nepotism: Favoritism shown to nephews and other relatives; patronage bestowed in consideration of family relationship and not of merit.
      - Igelau 6y ago
        Ah, I think I can explain. In English it's not uncommon to use a word like "nepotism" in a not-quite-literal sense. Native speakers will understand it just fine, but if you're in the position where you have to go look up the word, then it might be confusing. To get the colloquial sense of it, extend the word "family" to include friends, their relatives, and people who went to the same university but in different years.
localhost3000 6y ago
I’m the EM on the Docs Product team at Stripe. We own the infra and user experience for Stripe Docs. If any MDN or dev tools folks are reading and interested in Stripe, please reach out: ianm@stripe.com
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago
I know it's almost a meme at this point, but maybe Apple should buy Mozilla (or financially support them in some way)? The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. Surely Apple don't want to cede more control over web standards to Google? They both promote valuing user privacy, so it's not like they don't have some common ground. If Apple really wants to stick it to Google, they could make an iOS App Store policy exception for Firefox / Gecko engine. Heck, that alone may be enough to buoy Mozilla, w/o paying a cent.
- seabrookmx 6y ago
  How would that help Mozilla financially? I'd guess most of the FF iOS users don't even realize it's not Gecko under the hood, and don't even know/care what Gecko is.
  - RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago
    Users don't care about browser engines, but they may care about better ad blocking, and YouTube playback in the background (w/o paying for Premium). A "true" iOS FF port could do both, and more. Hopefully this would increase FF's market share, and give Mozilla better bargaining powers.
- giancarlostoro 6y ago
  Other buyouts I have been thinking about is Microsoft buying Canonical. Although Canonical buying out Firefox sounds interesting as well but Canonical seems to have gone through a similarish phase where they shut off certain projects. One other thing that would interest me is Mozilla buying out Fastmail but I am not too sure that would drive the sort of revenue Mozilla needs. There are a few mergers out there that could occur. I mostly mention this one cause it Mozilla had an email service I would pay for it. Especially if its pay only. I want someone who isnt crawling my emails beyond spam detection to manage my email situation. Heck whats stopping GitHub from buying out Mozilla with its new fatter wallet?
  - pythonaut_16 6y ago
KerrickStaley 6y ago
Small correction: MongoDB is not an open-source product; it's a source-available product.
sciurus 6y ago
FYI the official talent directory is now online at https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org/ https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org/ and I expect people will be adding themselves to it over the coming days.
- mvn9 6y ago
  So they have implemented that to copy https://mozillalifeboat.com/ https://mozillalifeboat.com/? That's sad. There is no reason to take away attention from mozillalifeboat.com. Just because something is hosted by mozilla doesn't make it better. Instead of copying VPNs, Bookmark directories and such, they should focus on the browser and offer the other services as some form of cooperation. But maybe I am wrong and uniting everything under the mozilla brand is the way to go.
  - dlgeek 6y ago
    They announced theirs in the internal layoff letter, so that was planned even before the layoffs were public.
timmit 6y ago
i feel like Mozilla is truly a place to care about their employees
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Well, I don't know if I'd say that, especially recently... but the employees (current and former) do care about each other!
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invalidmonk 6y ago
We would be thrilled to get a chance to talk to some of the Moz alumns. At Audius, we're building a digital music streaming protocol on the pillars of openness & transparency. We're hiring for distributed systems & full-stack product engineering roles. https://audius.org/careers https://audius.org/careers
wqsz7xn 6y ago
Unrelated but what is this website made with? Looks really great.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Thanks! Made it quick from scratch with Express/Stylus. The database is Airtable. The animations are SVGs with some CSS.
pacomerh 6y ago
Is there a chance maybe Mozilla had this plan even from before the pandemic and now it's the perfect time to justify it?.
- hajile 6y ago
  The pandemic certainly doesn't mean fewer people browsing the web. Literally cutting everything important to their browser -- future improvements, dev support, and security. That's not the kind of move you make unless you're about to be cutting a project.
markstos 6y ago
It's nice to know there are plenty of connections that employees at this high profile tech company can use to get a job at other tech companies. Are there other sites springing up to help the other 10 million unemployed and recently laid off people in the US who didn't work at high profile tech firms?
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gkanai 6y ago
Props to Gregory for building this. Giving up on Firefox OS too early was a such a terrible mistake- look at the success of KaiOS in emerging markets. That should have been Mozilla's success. Mozilla needs to find someone other than Mitchell to lead the organization. I realize how difficult that is, but she is clearly not the right CEO, even if she was the founder. The organization needs someone new at the helm. (I was at Mozilla for 10 years- left on my own accord in 2016.)
- WC3w6pXxgGd 6y ago
  They HAD a great CEO, for a week.
dralley 6y ago
For any recruiters: https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org
holtkam2 6y ago
Commenting to help keep this at the top of HN
pabs3 6y ago
Some links for folks interested in working on open source projects: https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources
known 6y ago
How does Mozilla make money ?
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jszymborski 6y ago

Given how different their missions are, I'm surprised to see Facebook on this list.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I was a bit surprised too, but presumably the priority right now is helping their former employees.
core-questions 6y ago
Eh, they need to hire, Mozillians need jobs, typically people who make what a Mozillian made will have a lifestyle that demands they find a new job pretty quickly, so they may not get to be that picky.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  Capitalism 101.
  - rosstex 6y ago
    Ethics is great and all until the money stops flowing
metajack 6y ago
The CTO of FB is an ex-Mozillian. There are quite a few ex-Mozillians here, including myself. Despite Mozilla's public posture that FB is enemy #1, the internal technical culture is more similar than different.
- blub 6y ago
  They'll probably work with the same customers too, except instead of helping them fight Facebook tracking they will help Facebook track them better.
- AshamedCaptain 6y ago
  Enemy #1? I hear more about Facebook in the Firefox default startpage than _everywhere else I look_. Today, in fact, there is a huge pseudo-advertisiment (at least in fr_FR) about "how I should not feel guilty about browsing Facebook [through Firefox]" , which almost made me puke. As a person who doesn't care about Facebook whatsoever, I didn't get the impression that FB was enemy #1, but rather I assumed FB was paying them money like Google is... I can actually see FB being happy to just give money away to Mozilla, just to influence them away from Google.
  - MikusR 6y ago
    That full page ad was advertising the Mozilla made Facebook container. Based on absence of Mozilla made Google container, I think that ad was paid by Google.
  - sciurus 6y ago
    I believe what you saw was a promotion of https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont... That extension is described as: "Prevent Facebook from tracking you around the web. The Facebook Container extension for Firefox helps you take control and isolate your web activity from Facebook."
- LunaSea 6y ago
  What about the ethics culture?
xwdv 6y ago
A job is a job.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  Agree I am critical of some fb practices, but if it was a choice between having a job and not having one, the decision is not hard It's a big company, with multiple areas. Find a less contentious area and go for that
tw1423214 6y ago
This comment really demonstrates the divide between those with a casual working understanding of Mozilla due to peripheral awareness vs those who are or were once heavily involved with the project. (Side note: it's hard to read discussions about Mozilla on HN for this reason.) Mozillians at Facebook is not new or novel. There was a time when it seemed like everyone was leaving Mozilla for Facebook. If someone collected the data, tallying every subsequent company worked at for every employee departed, it would be would be pretty unsurprising if the results showed Facebook as the biggest employer of former Mozillians.
- speedgoose 6y ago
  I thought that people working at Mozilla were passionate about privacy, open-source, trust, and were working at Mozilla for the values. But you say many of them would work to the company with opposite values.
  - stu2b50 6y ago
    The reality is that most people like working with smart peers and cool technology. Being paid is also nice. Any moral or ethical values is somewhere in the middle of the pyramid of needs.
  - kjeetgill 6y ago
    Like any company's employees: they're all different people! They each have their own reasons for where they work and their own goals and ambitions. Any job you take is going to be a blend and balance across your personal passions, values, talents, desire for impact, financial goals and responsibilities, risk tolerance, and alternative available opportunities. Is it so surprising that one of the largest employers in the bay has attractive opportunities across a range of reasons?
    - yarrel 6y ago
      Employee motivations have zero relevance when discussing corporate actions where those actions are contrary to those motivations. The reverse is not true.
jtsiskin 6y ago
It’s easier to make change from the inside than out. I imagine more Mozillians probably means a stronger push towards E2E encryption, more data controls, stronger auditing, etc.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Facebook is not a democracy. There can be no change from the inside.
  - jtsiskin 6y ago
    Even a dictatorship has middle managers
    - anoncake 6y ago
      That have to do what upper management does or get fired.
627467 6y ago
I think this confirms that at least Mozilla PR team was very effective in their job
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ayakura 6y ago

This is a nice gesture and it's good to see people reaching out to those who lost their jobs at Mozilla.

soulofmischief 6y ago

I hope a few of them go to Element. That's gotta be one of the worst UI/UX's I've ever seen in a chat app and it's 2020. I don't understand why we are perpetually going backwards.

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signal11 6y ago

Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. I wish you well for the future and hope you find a new gig soon.

umanwizard 6y ago
How do you know which teams were laid off? I haven’t been able to find that information.
- bytematic 6y ago
  Mostly from tweets from (former) members
- fgonzag 6y ago
  An employee tweeted that the whole servo and security teams were axed.
Teckla 6y ago
Thank you to the MDN and Servo teams for all their hard work. Gutting the Servo team makes me wonder if management is going to move the rendering engine from Gecko to Blink. Perhaps the "Foxium" browser is "coming soon."
- PenguinCoder 6y ago
  I'll go back to Lynx if that happens. We need FF and the Gecko engine.
- usrusr 6y ago
  Had the same thought and it felt terrible. Couldn't they at least try what almost all other advanced open source organisations seem to do? Branch out a consultancy in their field of expertise that maintains an incredibly famous piece of open source code on the side to show off?
  - elcritch 6y ago

causality0 6y ago

It's very weird that Mozilla is laying off 25% of its workforce while at the same time spending oodles of cash on its Fix The Internet incubator. I'm not a business major; maybe this is normal.

gkoberger 6y ago
I don't know the details, but the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation have different budgets and legally have to spend the money on different things (since the Foundation is a non-profit). They can't just move money around like a normal company can.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Well... can they fix that? Please? At least for the future so this doesn't happen again? I'm not opposed to nonprofits creating systems to make sure donor money is handled appropriately, but it seems to me there's something seriously wrong with the current structure. In hard times, organizations generally need to focus on their core initiatives, not branch out even more!
  - dboreham 6y ago
    Probably would mean paying $$$ tax and/or returning money to whoever donated it.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  The corporation can spend money on whatever the hell. That's why they set it up. You can infer from the foundation tax returns that most of the assets are held by the corporation: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-form-990.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-2018-fo... It's the assets held directly by the foundation that have implications for their tax status, and they only move assets to that status as necessary.
  - viro 6y ago
    "The corporation can spend money on whatever the hell. That's why they set it up." oh that is not true at all ... fiduciary duty doesn't work like that.

riffic 6y ago

fyi for the people involved in this: use of a mozilla trademark in a domain name is subject to the mozilla (tm) trademark policy: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ I hope your project doesn't run afoul of this :)

gkoberger 6y ago
Eh they laid off a bunch of their lawyers so I should be good.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  This comment may end up being 'priceless' in a way you won't appreciate but until then you have my vote.
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Igelau 6y ago
Which it should. I was confused because I really thought from the title that this was some new initiative from Mozilla. It's not affiliated; just trying to preserve the Old Boy Network.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  I'm genuinely sorry if it comes off that way way, and I'd love to make any changes you feel would make it more inclusive. My goal was to create a public site trying to help newly-displaced former coworkers connect, not exclude anyone. Many of these people worked on making the web a better place for a decade. Mozilla's network is intentionally inclusive – the code is open source and can be contributed to by anyone who wants to get involved. None of these companies are hiring exclusively Mozillians, so feel free to apply either way!
Dylan16807 6y ago
Define "subject to". The policy explains when they give permission, but nothing it says has any effect on which situations need permission.

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chrisseaton 6y ago
I would guess most people at Mozilla are just trying to earn a living and weren’t in it for any deeper philosophical reason. They pay very well.

hijp 6y ago

Does anyone know how the 3d effect in the header was achieved?

gkoberger 6y ago
It's surprisingly simple! I designed an SVG quick in Sketch, and did it in a way where I can shift things left to right. Then a few CSS animations just move things left to right. When rotated, it looks like it's rocking! Here's the initial SVG: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.svg?v=b7ea8350188628e6de9e5fe54388ded3 https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s... Everything else was just CSS
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- zekrioca 6y ago
  > where I can shift things left to right. What does it mean that the image can be shifted from left to right? Just out of curiosity, because I thought at some examples such as a circle, but maybe not some complex shape?
jaywalk 6y ago
It's all just CSS animations.

varbhat 6y ago

This is good effort. SideQuestion: Given that most of MDN were laid off, Would MDN continue? It was good imo.

tw1423214 6y ago
The content still exists and the best work is/was contributed by volunteers.
pknerd 6y ago
Before MDN goes down, someone should archive the entire MDN.
- tibbon 6y ago
  I'd venture a guess the Internet Archive's got that one in it's sights if needed (and probably already has copies)
- minerjoe 6y ago
  https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline

AdmiralAsshat 6y ago

Can't open the link in Firefox, ironically. SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER error on the cert.

bdcravens 6y ago

I hope the formerly Mozilla employees all find roles quickly, but I suspect that well more than 250 employees have been laid off since the beginning of the pandemic. Is there a particular reason why these layoffs need exceptional response?

niix 6y ago
I was thinking the same thing. In addition, there have been a ton of tech/startup related layoffs, its odd that this one is getting so much attention and support from the community. Edit: Perhaps I'm a bit bitter, as I was laid off because of the pandemic after 4+ years at my previous employer, and left on my own to figure things out. I imagine the experience was the same for others in a similar situation.
- dylan604 6y ago
  tech/startup culture loves the "making the world a better place" is such a crock, but i believe that Mozilla actually does. i do have more sympathy from a Mozilla layoff than somewhere like FB/Twitter/Uber/etc.
  - kgraves 6y ago
    They were warned about taking money and relying on Google for several years, now the money has dried up and the curtain has been pulled back from them, they only have a bookmark manager and a VPN as paid services to show for it. Sad indeed.
tikhonj 6y ago
I think there's two parts here: 1. These layoffs specifically get a lot of time on HN because people have strong feelings about Firefox, Mozilla's mission and the teams in particular (ie Servo, MDN). 2. Specific efforts like this site are a function of Mozilla's alumni community, which is a function of Mozilla/Firefox's culture. (Or, maybe, past culture?) So it isn't so much that the engineers laid off from Mozilla need more help than anyone else, but that the environment around Mozilla naturally creates help and attention for them.

einpoklum 6y ago

> Mozilla is laying off 250 people and planning a ‘new focus’ on making money Well, they seem to have lost the focus of making an extensible browser (and mail client etc.) But then, this decline was somewhat noticeable a decade ago alreadt, IMHO.

Normille 6y ago

This is what I'm seeing: /app/views/index.pug:40:173 38| .add-company 39| h3 #MozillaLifeboat > 40| p Mozilla has done two rounds of layoffs (#[a(href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/15/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-waits-for-subscription-products-to-generate-revenue/")first https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/15/mozilla-lays-off-70-as-it-...] and #[a(href="https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus" https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-...) second]). Mozilla has one of the most vibrant alumni networks, and Lifeboat helps connect Mozillians looking for jobs with people hiring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^ 41| h3 Other Resources 42| p A great place to find more people hiring and looking is the #[a(href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mozillalifeboat" https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mozillalifeboat") #mozillalifeboat] hashtag on Twitter. 43| h3 Add Your Company Unexpected token `tag` expected `text`, `interpolated-code`, `code`, `:`, `slash`, `newline` or `eos`

gkoberger 6y ago
It's fixed now! Try refreshing.
- PenguinCoder 6y ago
  Not fixed :( /app/views/index.pug:84:1 82| footer An unofficial directory by ex-Mozillian #[a(href="https://gkoberger.com") Gregory Koberger] 83| > 84| --------^ The end of the string reached with no closing bracket ) found.
  - llacb47 6y ago
    Refresh, fixed now
    - PenguinCoder 6y ago
      Thank you. Nice resource.

sunseb 6y ago

"Combatting a lethal virus and battling systemic racism" and now Mozilla Lifeboat. I mean, WTF, maybe you should actually build a better browser than Chrome instead of doing politics.

dgellow 6y ago

This animated SVG is dope! Really cute, seems to be done only with SVGs and CSS animations as far as I can tell.

gkoberger 6y ago
Yup, had to get it out quick so I went simple! Just a single SVG that I shift elements back and forth on, and rotated so it looks like it's floating!
- STRML 6y ago
  This is honestly really impressive on such a short deadline! Looks really great.
- ghostbrainalpha 6y ago
  Do you mind estimating exactly how quickly something like that could be produced? Great job!
  - gkoberger 6y ago
    The whole site took about 4 hours last night, and the SVG animation took about 2.5 of those hours :)
- Rapzid 6y ago
  Curious what tool/tools you used for that if any.
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  - gkoberger 6y ago
    I made the SVG in Sketch and then did CSS transforms (by hand). Normally, however, I'd use GSAP for SVG animations: https://greensock.com/gsap/ https://greensock.com/gsap/

tus88 6y ago

Heh I was going to make a joke about it being related to the recent layoffs.

wodenokoto 6y ago

Some funny guy added Mitchell Baker (CEO of Mozilla), with a text a long the lines of "Working to grow Firefox".

baddash 6y ago

This reminds me of a scenario described by Alfie Kohn in "No Contest: The Case Against Competition". If I recall correctly, he describes how people looking for jobs actually are more successful if they work for mutual success within the context of a network like this one. It makes me curious: are there other job-searching networks that exist where people can work for each others' benefit? Is there a general one for any job-seeker?

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dbcurtis 6y ago
> Is there a general one for any job-seeker? Use your network. Make sure your friends know you are looking. Especially friends that are also looking. I've had conversations like this with old friends: "Hey, I'm looking for something new. Do you guys need an EE?" them: "No, sorry. Sure could use an ME, though, do you know anyone?" Give intros for friends, and they will give intros for you.

khawkins 6y ago

> Sr. Wokeplace Culture Officer > What are you looking for? > New and exciting workplace where I can subtly enforce woke culture on employees just trying to build technologies.

therusskiy 6y ago

it's cool and all, why the site though? There are plenty of similar websites for people searching for work

l1ghthouse 6y ago

"For Mozilla folks looking for a landing spot, Safari and WebKit teams have a number of openings. DM if interested in any of the below: - HTTP stack - Web dev tools - 3D/AR/VR - Mac app - iOS app - Web Extensions - Any web platform area (layout, web APIs, ...) " https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161 https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293252487021916161

hashtagmarkup 6y ago
Offering a Safari job to someone from Mozilla probably hurts them more then getting fired.
andybak 6y ago
Is there any support for XR on the open web in that team? Genuinely interested if some of the spirit of Mozilla could be preserved in that transition.
- sp332 6y ago
  Yup! https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293268688762572800 https://twitter.com/othermaciej/status/1293268688762572800
scarface74 6y ago
Looking at the Twitter responses, I don’t know why people assume that every single Mozilla employee would put “being part of the open web and contributing to open source” above people’s crazy obsession with having a job and being able to afford food and shelter.
- Aeolun 6y ago
  I guess everyone expects their job to provide food and shelter, so it would be a bit hard to advertise with that as if it were a positive.
  - scarface74 6y ago

nathcd 6y ago

Seeing this list makes me wonder: is Mozilla the only major software development nonprofit? (Feel free to interpret "major" however you want if you answer the question.) Regardless of one's feelings about Mozilla, the layoffs are really disheartening. And - sorry for the spicy take - I'm bummed to see Facebook and Amazon on this list. It would be nice to see other nonprofits on the list, but it's doubly disappointing to not see any and to also see the worst of tech's forprofits here. To go from Mozilla to Facebook would be quite the swing. (Of course, if people need jobs and Facebook/Amazon are what are most immediately available to them, I can't blame them. But I certainly hope that many that are looking for a new job are in a position to be picky.)

tw1423214 6y ago
It perpetuates misunderstandings to have them repeated so often, or repeated in a way that's sure to lead to misunderstanding. Mozilla Foundation is technically a "non-profit", but the company that develops Firefox is not. The non-profit does not fund any of the software development. Corporate revenue from the commercial business partnerships is what funds that, and it's able to cover 100% of it and then some.
- haukilup 6y ago
  It seems to be a for-profit commercial company that is fully owned by the non-profit. IANAL, so I don't know the complexities involved with the setup. It's more complicated than trying to say that the "Mozilla that people think of" is not a non-profit. The Mozilla that I think of seems to be a combination of both.
RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago
They are not, but they are perhaps the most consumer visible (because web is eating everything). For less "sexy" non-porfits, there's Apache Software Foundation ("where software goes to die"), and of course Free Software Foundation (gcc, nano, etc.).
kgraves 6y ago
There's Linux Foundation isn't there? Seems to be growing strong.

Arathorn 6y ago

Element (the company from the Matrix.org core team) is super interested in providing refuge to Mozilla folks - we share the same goals of building the open web, albeit with a focus on open communication. (We'd put ourselves on the mozillalifeboat.com page, but I somehow doubt our Mozilla alumni uses FB... :D) Particular areas that may be of interest include developer documentation (making https://matrix.org/docs/spec https://matrix.org/docs/spec and https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc not suck), Safety engineering (subjective decentralised reputation, anti-abuse and anti-spam), Rust (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk is in the ascendant), and even possibly VR (we are on a mission to ensure Matrix is the comms protocol of the multiverse) - although Safety & Spec (and generally hacking on Element and Matrix itself) are the most important domains right now. https://element.io/careers https://element.io/careers has more details.

athriren 6y ago
The links on that page for the names appear go to github, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, so I think as long as the alumni use some online service that can serve as identity you would be able to post on the website itself. Obviously that is at your prerogative, just wanted to indicate it is not only Facebook.
jernejzen 6y ago
Man, I’d really love to see Matrix to become a standard. I’d love to use it as a major goto chat/communication tool but i get frustrated with UX. Pls pls, don’t screw it.
- Arathorn 6y ago
  We're doing our best to improve UX (it should be noticeably improved over the last year, unless we're kidding ourselves) - and we're doing our best not to screw it up :) But we need help! (hence looking for more folk to hire!)
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago

gkoberger 6y ago

Hey all, I built this last night as a resource for connecting Mozilla Alumni during this rough time. Mozilla laid off some truly amazing people this past year.... many of whom I worked with 10 years ago when I was there. As for why there's a red panda in the boat... despite the logo distinctly picturing a fox on fire, a "firefox" is actually the name for a red panda!

agrippanux 6y ago
I really like the boat/panda; how did you create that SVG? Source code says it was generated by Sketchapp, which I am not too familiar with. Overall great job, its super slick.
- gkoberger 6y ago
  Hey! The initial SVG was made in Sketch (looks like this: https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.svg?v=b7ea8350188628e6de9e5fe54388ded3 https://p195.p4.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/OAuqBqvx/boat.s...), and I animated it with CSS. Normally, I'd use a combo of Sketch (for making the assets) and GSAP (for animating)!
  - revjx 6y ago
    Wonderful job. Great illusion of depth with just SVG and CSS. Reminds me a bit of Wind Waker.
- ab8 6y ago
  I second that. Great job!
aetherspawn 6y ago
The animated boat is immensely cute. I have a lot of respect that you cooked this up in one night, it humbles me. Props to even come up with the idea.
- gkoberger 6y ago

Ijumfs 6y ago

AHAHAHAHAHHHHHAAAAAA, I'm sorry but this is just awful.

tibbon 6y ago

How to list a good organization and role there? The button for having one added goes to a 404'd Facebook page

gkoberger 6y ago
It's not a 404, just an internal alumni post. The goal is to keep it alumni-only, but if you have an alumni at your company you can email me (email in profile)!

rahul_201 6y ago

For Mozilla folks looking for remote job, she is offering a paid job board service for free https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl/status/1293237589202178048 https://twitter.com/abinaya_rl/status/1293237589202178048

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trynumber9 6y ago

Why was this one approved? https://i.imgur.com/knkH44b.png https://i.imgur.com/knkH44b.png I really doubt Assmunchio is a real name...

jjcon 6y ago
“my family built this country by the way”
gkoberger 6y ago
There wasn't an approval process initially because I didn't expect this to be so public/popular, but I've switched and now there's an approval process!

JabavuAdams 6y ago

Does anyone else not click the upvote button when the article has 314, 666, or 1337 upvotes?

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tmsh 6y ago

Dope website and inspiring personal website: https://gkoberger.com/ https://gkoberger.com/ Now I gotta work on my personal website.

gkoberger 6y ago
Thanks :)
brianzelip 6y ago
Hmmm > Try this on a computer! This site is way more interactive on a bigger screen… so check it out next time you're on your desktop!
- ulmas 6y ago
  In Chrome: Menu > check "Desktop Site"
  - brianzelip 6y ago
    Stop using chrome. Use Firefox, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/.
baby-yoda 6y ago
site gives me some nostalgia of the family room in microsoft bob :)

colmvp 6y ago

Some of these are weird. > What PartnerStack is hiring for: Infra devs, Python devs, JS devs, Product, Marketing Yet on their actual Lever.co jobs page the only technical role is a Senior Infrastructure Engineer?

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gkoberger 6y ago
That's the reason I added an alumni contact! Careers pages often are a lagging indicator of what jobs are available, which is where the value of a good network comes in.
- staplers 6y ago
  This whole thing reeks of nepotism and this comment reinforces that.
  - gkoberger 6y ago
    Hey! Thanks for the feedback. Mozilla is a large, public community working on open source software, and anyone can become a "Mozillian"... you don't even need to program! This isn't meant to be sneaky. It's just people trying to help out newly-unemployed, qualified people find a new job in a tough time. And I made it public for a reason – so anyone can find out about and apply for any of the jobs!
  - jodrellblank 6y ago
    You think the author is all these people's uncle? > nepotism: Favoritism shown to nephews and other relatives; patronage bestowed in consideration of family relationship and not of merit.
    - Igelau 6y ago
      Ah, I think I can explain. In English it's not uncommon to use a word like "nepotism" in a not-quite-literal sense. Native speakers will understand it just fine, but if you're in the position where you have to go look up the word, then it might be confusing. To get the colloquial sense of it, extend the word "family" to include friends, their relatives, and people who went to the same university but in different years.

localhost3000 6y ago

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RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago

I know it's almost a meme at this point, but maybe Apple should buy Mozilla (or financially support them in some way)? The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. Surely Apple don't want to cede more control over web standards to Google? They both promote valuing user privacy, so it's not like they don't have some common ground. If Apple really wants to stick it to Google, they could make an iOS App Store policy exception for Firefox / Gecko engine. Heck, that alone may be enough to buoy Mozilla, w/o paying a cent.

seabrookmx 6y ago
How would that help Mozilla financially? I'd guess most of the FF iOS users don't even realize it's not Gecko under the hood, and don't even know/care what Gecko is.
- RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u 6y ago
  Users don't care about browser engines, but they may care about better ad blocking, and YouTube playback in the background (w/o paying for Premium). A "true" iOS FF port could do both, and more. Hopefully this would increase FF's market share, and give Mozilla better bargaining powers.
giancarlostoro 6y ago
Other buyouts I have been thinking about is Microsoft buying Canonical. Although Canonical buying out Firefox sounds interesting as well but Canonical seems to have gone through a similarish phase where they shut off certain projects. One other thing that would interest me is Mozilla buying out Fastmail but I am not too sure that would drive the sort of revenue Mozilla needs. There are a few mergers out there that could occur. I mostly mention this one cause it Mozilla had an email service I would pay for it. Especially if its pay only. I want someone who isnt crawling my emails beyond spam detection to manage my email situation. Heck whats stopping GitHub from buying out Mozilla with its new fatter wallet?
- pythonaut_16 6y ago

KerrickStaley 6y ago

Small correction: MongoDB is not an open-source product; it's a source-available product.

sciurus 6y ago

FYI the official talent directory is now online at https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org/ https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org/ and I expect people will be adding themselves to it over the coming days.

mvn9 6y ago
So they have implemented that to copy https://mozillalifeboat.com/ https://mozillalifeboat.com/? That's sad. There is no reason to take away attention from mozillalifeboat.com. Just because something is hosted by mozilla doesn't make it better. Instead of copying VPNs, Bookmark directories and such, they should focus on the browser and offer the other services as some form of cooperation. But maybe I am wrong and uniting everything under the mozilla brand is the way to go.
- dlgeek 6y ago
  They announced theirs in the internal layoff letter, so that was planned even before the layoffs were public.

timmit 6y ago

i feel like Mozilla is truly a place to care about their employees

gkoberger 6y ago
Well, I don't know if I'd say that, especially recently... but the employees (current and former) do care about each other!
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invalidmonk 6y ago

We would be thrilled to get a chance to talk to some of the Moz alumns. At Audius, we're building a digital music streaming protocol on the pillars of openness & transparency. We're hiring for distributed systems & full-stack product engineering roles. https://audius.org/careers https://audius.org/careers

wqsz7xn 6y ago

Unrelated but what is this website made with? Looks really great.

gkoberger 6y ago
Thanks! Made it quick from scratch with Express/Stylus. The database is Airtable. The animations are SVGs with some CSS.

pacomerh 6y ago

Is there a chance maybe Mozilla had this plan even from before the pandemic and now it's the perfect time to justify it?.

hajile 6y ago
The pandemic certainly doesn't mean fewer people browsing the web. Literally cutting everything important to their browser -- future improvements, dev support, and security. That's not the kind of move you make unless you're about to be cutting a project.

markstos 6y ago

It's nice to know there are plenty of connections that employees at this high profile tech company can use to get a job at other tech companies. Are there other sites springing up to help the other 10 million unemployed and recently laid off people in the US who didn't work at high profile tech firms?

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gkanai 6y ago

Props to Gregory for building this. Giving up on Firefox OS too early was a such a terrible mistake- look at the success of KaiOS in emerging markets. That should have been Mozilla's success. Mozilla needs to find someone other than Mitchell to lead the organization. I realize how difficult that is, but she is clearly not the right CEO, even if she was the founder. The organization needs someone new at the helm. (I was at Mozilla for 10 years- left on my own accord in 2016.)

WC3w6pXxgGd 6y ago
They HAD a great CEO, for a week.

dralley 6y ago

For any recruiters: https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org https://talentdirectory.mozilla.org

holtkam2 6y ago

Commenting to help keep this at the top of HN

pabs3 6y ago

Some links for folks interested in working on open source projects: https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

known 6y ago

How does Mozilla make money ?

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