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I Add 3-25 Seconds of Latency to Every Site I Visit

• swirepe 7y ago
  I'm late to the party, but this article inspired me to write this script to slow down connections to reddit #!/usr/bin/env bash DEV=enxe04f439470d2 DOMAIN=reddit.com LATENCY=5200ms sudo tc qdisc del dev $DEV root # Ensure you start from a clean slate sudo tc qdisc add dev $DEV root handle 1: prio sudo tc qdisc add dev $DEV parent 1:3 handle 30: netem delay $LATENCY for IPADDR in $(dig @8.8.8.8 +nocmd $DOMAIN any +multiline +noall +answer | grep -E -o "([0-9]{1,3}[\.]){3}[0-9]{1,3}") do echo "Slowing down connections to $IPADDR on $DEV" sudo tc filter add dev $DEV protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 3 u32 match ip dst $IPADDR flowid 1:3 done
• woliveirajr 7y ago
  Low-latency isn't the only problem, I think. The small-enought latency seems to be worst: you click somehing and wait for the reward just few ms later. Incresing this wait to seconds prevents this effect.
  • thdrdt 7y ago
    Well I am on a not so fast connection a lot and what is even worse: click on something and get absolutely no clue the click event was registered. Click again to see if you did something wrong and, yes, youe action was registered 2 times causing all kinds of trouble. To all SPA developers around the word: show me if I interacted and show me if something is loading.
    • Can_Not 7y ago
      I ensure my loading graphic shows for a minimum of 333ms to make sure my users see that something was happening, just incase the operation completes too fast for the user to realize it happened.
  • metalrain 7y ago
    What if we just open our filter bubbles so that not every click has that effect?
    • ehnto 7y ago
      We self select into our bubbles anyway. Especially amidst an almost subconscious addictive trawl across the internet. There's a stereotype of computer addiction that shows the user as this active, hyper alert entity absorbing everything they possibly can. The reality is that you sit there, numb to everything, barely attentive, clicking over and over again. The trope of someone closing reddit, only to open reddit again, is a microcosm of that. If you were actively participating in the decision making and thinking clearly, you would never make that mistake. Something else is driving your trawl.
  • moretai 7y ago
    Depends on how big of an addict. And also you could just disable the extension as well like you do for your failed site blocking extension of preference.
• purplezooey 7y ago
  this is a fascinating idea but I had never heard of Charles Proxy
  • penagwin 7y ago
    It's really great for a lot of network testing. It let's you intercept and modify requests/responses directly which is great for testing front end /backend input sanitization.
• aj7 7y ago
  The only time I want latency is when I have diarrhea.
• numbers 7y ago
  I just use a VPN connecting to a far away server so that the latency does go up and at the same time confuses the sites I’m visiting.
  • yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    You know, it never occurred to me to treat the latency of TOR as a feature rather than a bug.
    • surround 7y ago
      The only reason why I wasn’t using TOR for all of my browsing is because of the latency. I guess I might just use it now.
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• liquidise 7y ago
  This is a funny and particularly well written post that touches on a serious topic. Tech addiction and attention seeking are not yet being self-moderated. We are living out a massive social experiment of sorts because of the rapid advancement of the internet. I believe it is a certain net-positive on society, but we need to pay more attention to the cons.
  • swiley 7y ago
    A while a ago I realized this and saw myself uncontrollably refreshing some of these discussion sites. One of the reasons I decided not to delete my hackernews account when I deleted my accounts on other sites like reddit was because of the “noprocrast” feature. It’s not perfect but it can help prevent being totally consumed.
  • lukifer 7y ago
    > we need to pay more attention to the cons I like the probably-accidental double-entendre here. ;) I think there is some attention (though probably still not enough) being paid to algorithms/clouds/etc gamifying our dopaminergic cycles, often without our best interests in mind. But it's worth remembering that individuals can easily fall into these anti-patterns independently, without coercion from centralized servers or dark UI patterns. When I first heard the RHCP lyric referencing "getting high on information" I thought it a clever turn of phrase, maybe even a bit of a good thing; now I view the phenomenon with deadly seriousness, as I find it an ongoing struggle in day-to-day life, trying to keep focus on what matters amidst a deluge of both noise and signal.
  • quest88 7y ago
    Life is a massive social experiment!
  • ehnto 7y ago
    We don't have a natural moderation mechanism for it, and must rely on self-awareness and then self-discipline in the moment. Horribly unreliable. For most desires we have built in moderators, like in hunger you get full, for exercise you get tired, for sex you get a cocktail of chemicals that make you satiated, and so on. Thinking outside of chemicals, the way we experience the web now is deliberately shallow to keep you moving from item to item, and full of hooks to bring you back before you get engaged in something in a way that would be satisfying.
• karatestomp 7y ago
  Packages show up on the lawn it is astonishing how they appear. They are astonishing surprises. It’s what I ordered the cat food the espresso machine the two new tables. Ordering things and how they appear basically I am a small-scale sorcerer. On the road I press the button and the music goes. Air conditioning gas pedal restaurant take-out etc. It is my will being perpetually sated. Pretend we are writing a fable in which a sorcerer always gets what he wants. Consider what happens to a soul which always gets what it wants. — Emily Bludworth de Barios, from the preview page for issue #31 of Forklift, Ohio (and, indeed, the issue itself, if you have it): http://www.forkliftohio.com/index.php?page=freight-31 http://www.forkliftohio.com/index.php?page=freight-31
  • brosinante 7y ago
    Sure but also, is this what we "want"? (for wildly varying definitions of the word want.) Takeaway available with the press of a button is certainly not what my soul wants.
    • Udik 7y ago
      Sure we do. These are our small-scale desires. Then you might think that on a larger scale this is not really what you want- but try to deny the right of people to desire ordering food from home, or buying online, or going where they want as fast as it's possible, or being cured from pneumonia or cancer.
      • solotronics 7y ago
        Really curious why you are being downvoted. The pyramid of needs is at work here, when your basic needs are satisfied it becomes easier to work on higher level issues. Is one a better philosopher when they are starving? I don't know. I would rather be a well fed philosopher than a starving one.
        • vbsteven 7y ago
          The stoics for example have a practice where they deliberately deprive themselves of basic things like food and warmth in order to appreciate those things more when they do have them.
• jonas21 7y ago
  You don't need a fancy solution to randomly add latency -- just do what I did and sign up for Cox Internet.
  • dylan604 7y ago
    I've heard the latency can be as bad as 3 days depending on how strong the wind blows.
    • fpgaminer 7y ago
      This is the trap that so many fell into when they ditched DSL for CPL (Carrier Pigeon Line). The price was right; the bandwidth was _incredible_ (1TB packet sizes!); and the latency, bad as it was, was something you expected and prepared for. What's easily missed, as you pointed out, is the variability of that latency. If the wind is in your favor you'll have the latest copy of the internet downloaded in one or two days, unlike those plebs on fiber who have to spend weeks downloading the thing. But one strong headwind later and you'll be spending your time reading the x86 reference manual* for the hundredth time while you wait. * Fun side fact (as if this comment was enough of a tangent already), you used to be able to request a _free_ physical copy of the x86 reference manuals. Not sure if that's still the case, but younger me was _thrilled_ when I found out and received that small library in the mail.
      • terinjokes 7y ago
        You haven't been able to do so for at least a decade. I requested one from Intel a decade ago and they recommended asking a print shop to print and bind the PDF.
  • ferzul 7y ago
    or any internet provider in germany.
    • keksberg 7y ago
      so true
• yegle 7y ago
  It's a common practice to put title in URL to boost SEO, but the URL seems to convert all space (%20) to 20 and I doubt it would still be useful... /2020/02/12/I-20Add-2020-20Seconds-20of-20Latency-20to-20Every-20Website-20I-20Visit.html
  • curuinor 7y ago
    It's not, it's just how my blogging thing works, I don't care much about SEO
    • progval 7y ago
      It makes the URL less readable though
• pradn 7y ago
  I was recently looking at getting new hardware to improve Chrome loading times. (This is a somewhat theoretical affair for me since my desktop is already pretty fast.) But, now I wonder if I should downgrade. Maybe it's good not to upgrade to the latest iPhone?
• olliej 7y ago
  I also use Comcast.
  • cdoxsey 7y ago
    Here's an app that simulates bad networks named Comcast: https://github.com/tylertreat/Comcast https://github.com/tylertreat/Comcast :)
    • emayljames 7y ago
      What if you use your Comcast connection to test, the universe might implode.
• henvic 7y ago
  If you need this, consider just getting cheaper and slower Internet connection :)
• dropoutcoder 7y ago
  Exception: If I’m researching technical topics I want the fastest computer, browser, and internet possible.
  • celeritascelery 7y ago
    You want the fastest possible connection when doing real work. But slow when just playing around.
• mrob 7y ago
  Is there any Free software alternative to the proprietary Charles Proxy?
  • adtac 7y ago
    mitmproxy, depending on what you're doing
  • penagwin 7y ago
    After trying to find something similar myself, originally I found some "methods" online to bypass the trial time, but I eventually just gave in and bought a license - and IMO it does exactly what it says on the tin, and is still updated and is cross platform so I think it's worth it. But if anyone knows of any nice GUI tools that are similar do share! EDIT: Just thought I'd mention how I use it. Basically I use it like the chrome network tools, but I intercept POST requests to the server and try to much with the data that's sent to make sure the backend isn't blindly trusting the client, or to see if there's weird ways I can break the code with special input, etc.
• cdoxsey 7y ago
  You might find freedom.to useful. You can block websites for certain times of the day and it works with all devices. I've found that if you can break the habit of reaching to some site when you're bored the addiction falls off pretty quick. Programming has a lot downtime sometimes - waiting for a build or a long test run - and there's sometimes a steep context switch to working on something else. (At least for me if I start something new I'll forget what I was working on before) It's those times when I found myself on Twitter or Reddit. One thing I've been trying to do instead is read an actual book - non-fiction does ok, I can usually follow the argument reading a few paragraphs at a time. And Kindle makes it easy to read in your browser and pick up where you left off on an e-reader. One tricky thing though: I blocked YouTube only to be reminded that Google's login still goes through a YouTube domain, so I inadvertently made it harder to login :(.
• deleted 7y ago
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• chalst 7y ago
  Any recommendations for a Firefox alternative to Crackbook Revival?
  • frankfka 7y ago
    I had some spare time over school break, so I created one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/delay-distraction/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/delay-distrac... Github: https://github.com/frankfka/Delay-Distraction https://github.com/frankfka/Delay-Distraction
  • WorldMaker 7y ago
    One out of the box option is Dev Tools > Network and there's a Throttling dropdown on the right. Set it to something like GPRS and watch the added latency.
    • fortydegrees 7y ago
      This applies for all sites though, whereas you want it for specific ones like reddit
      • WorldMaker 7y ago
        Sure. Still a good place to start if you are looking to trial the idea. Continuing to think "inside the box" of built-in Firefox tools you could pair it with different windows in different profiles, train yourself to open the "addictive" sites only in the throttled profile. I don't have the Containers add-in installed, but I wonder if you can throttle Containers separately (and if not, might be an interesting feature request).
  • byte1918 7y ago
    You can configure Leechblock (1) to do this. You have to configure it to show the 'Delaying page'. (1) - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock-ng...
• stevefan1999 7y ago
  So how do you calculate the expected added latency?
• vincent-toups 7y ago
  This rules.
• celeritascelery 7y ago
  > Coerced old-style on Reddit without an infinite scroll This is why I deleted the reddit apps and use the mobile site instead. Having only one page at a time really helps from sitting forever in an infinite scrolling list.
• jtrip 7y ago
  This is brilliant! I've been suffering from work related anxiety for years which I've learned to douse with Youtube, Reddit or HN. This became a huge problem for me recently and so I had to try to break my habit loops (Cue -> Action -> Reward). I cannot quit cold-turkey because all the methods that I can think of to block the websites I can undo in the mania of anxiety. Youtube always gives you an option to look for more content, either on the side of the video you are currently watching, on the screen immediately after you are done watching or by going to the home page and giving you the options. Using Origin ad-blocker I removed all the immediate suggestions. And also the youtube home button, the only red element of the Youtube gui that catches your notice, that you click on to reduce your anxiety. That you then develop a habit on, just like the suggestions. On mobile I uninstalled the app and used the ad-blocker to render it useless. All external links play videos and the search still works. For reddit I force the old view, without the infinite scroll, just like the author. I also removed the 'all' link from all the pages as I had formed a habit with that as well. And I limit the number of posts visible at any given time. I have, other than the author's solution, no counter for HN. For other websites, I've similarly blocked such habit forming gui features. And the most important bit has been deleting websites from the auto suggest feature of firefox. I've deleted a good number of the common offender websites form it, but I still don't know how to disable those ~10 websites that show up when you go to type something. The Key has been disrupting the 'cue' of the habits. It leaves you a little confused when you don't find your habit enabler on the websites, but then it gets better. Or like me you form other new habits. The solution author suggests will definitely be of help. Edit: Words. Also, does anyone know how to disable the dropdown suggestions in the address bar? The one you get when you haven't typed anything, because I've got a habit with the dropdown button as well. There is nothing in the options, but what about the developer options?
  • bvinc 7y ago
    I do this exact kind of blocking. On Reddit I blocked the entire bar at the top of other subreddit suggestions. YouTube, I got rid of suggestions on the side, at the end of the video, and at pause. Call me crazy but I even got rid of typing suggestions in the Firefox address bar. On Android, I like the Niagra launcher because I can customize my entire home screen and hide everything else so that I only see it when I'm looking for it. No recommendations!
• ReverseCold 7y ago
  This might be a good alternative to tools like Leechblock. Instead of blocking sites, give the "bad"/timewaste sites a bunch of random latency. It might discourage but not stop usage, which is useful when you need to use reddit or something to do research but not get distracted.
  • goda90 7y ago
    And it could be an escalating latency, so it gives you a bit of fast experience, but the more you use it, the slower it gets. I've used Leechblock, but I also find myself trying to game Leechblock sometimes. Being totally cut off from something can make me motivated in ways that just being annoyed by the experience wouldn't.
• hammock 7y ago
  Another suggestion: Limit your browser use to only one tab at a time. Or, allow yourself multiple windows but only one tab each. If it takes 8 seconds to load a website I could see someone just opening a bunch of tabs and coming back to them later. This suggestion avoids that (among other accomplishments).
  • goda90 7y ago
    I had this exact thought. I often use the middle click button to open a bunch of tabs from the reddit front page and get back to them later.
  • CathedralBorrow 7y ago
    Good suggestion. I do feel that any self-imposed rule or limitation will be vulnerable to you simply deciding to ignore or bypass it though.
  • Brave-Steak 7y ago
    So I'm trying the Crackbook Revival extension and it's actually a bit devious. You can set it to increase the delay every time you try to open a site on your list. And if you switch away from the tab, it resets the timer so you can't just wait it out while looking at other links. It also doesn't seem to tick down if you open it in another window.
• annoyingnoob 7y ago
  I was really hoping this was more of an attack on the site, a way to get back at sites that don't work well due to too many ads/tracking. We should all really slow play the connections and data rates from advertisers/trackers - make them pay in latency. We need a tool to slow-play ads/trackers that happens in the background, where the user experience is blocking them anyway.
• yori 7y ago
  > Withdrawn mostly from Reddit in favor of early 2000’s style forums that I pay money for and HN What are the names of these early 2000's style forums? I would like to join them too.
  • AznHisoka 7y ago
    City-data.com and metafilter.com comes to mind.
  • CathedralBorrow 7y ago
    The Something Awful forums would fit this bill for me.
• nabnob 7y ago
  This is a great idea. I know various types of addiction have a negative impact on the prefrontal cortex, which handles your ability to focus and manage time. I would like to see research investigating the relationship between internet addiction and one's attention span - I feel like my ability to read difficult literature and focus on creative hobbies like music is worse today than it was when I was in middle school.
• tlholaday 7y ago
  Would a 25-minute latency be a good way to incorporate this tactic and Francesco Cirillo's Pomodoro Technique?
• mmmuhd 7y ago
  Here in my country (a developing country in Africa) internet speed is so bad you don't have to add any latency filter - just thinking out loud.
  • supakeen 7y ago
    Which country is that?
    • EduardoBautista 7y ago
      Profile says Nigeria. Kano specifically.
  • downerending 7y ago
    Hmm. Are there any VPN providers there? :-)
    • danielhlockard 7y ago
      How is a VPN supposed to increase speed?
      • downerending 7y ago
        If all of my procrastination passed through a slow VPN, it would increase the speed of my real work greatly. :-)
  • aleken 7y ago
    I moved to a rural area in Europe with poor internet. Those GIFs take their time to load!
• snthd 7y ago
  See also https://www.xkcd.com/862/ https://www.xkcd.com/862/ 's alt text > After years of trying various methods, I broke this habit by pitting my impatience against my laziness. I decoupled the action and the neurological reward by setting up a simple 30-second delay I had to wait through, in which I couldn't do anything else, before any new page or chat client would load (and only allowed one to run at once). The urge to check all those sites magically vanished--and my 'productive' computer use was unaffected. And: https://blog.xkcd.com/2011/02/18/distraction-affliction-correction-extensio/ https://blog.xkcd.com/2011/02/18/distraction-affliction-corr... >At various times, I thought of doing it with an X modification, Firefox extension, a Chrome add-on, an irssi script, etc—but none of them worked too well (or involved a lot of sustained undistracted effort, which was sort of a Catch-22). Then I hit on a much simpler solution: >I made it a rule that as soon as I finished any task, or got bored with it, I had to power off my computer.
  • CathedralBorrow 7y ago
    I'm always interested in the "one year later" follow-up to these suggestions. I love that someone found a cool hack that worked for them, but did it survive?
  • Snetry 7y ago
    I found the shutting down solution to be quite useful actually
• rement 7y ago
  >Android is the hardest to do this in. I don't know a lot about Android development but could you use the Android VPN APIs to add latency to requests? I might use an open source app that adds this kind of functionality.
• animalnewbie 7y ago
  I've had similar addiction, 22 hours of AoE out of 24. But if you're addicted to just regular web, maybe you should go see a therapist. You might be trying to suppress something.
• dom96 7y ago
  This is actually a brilliant idea, but I want to ask about something slightly off-topic, hope others can chime in as well: > Withdrawn mostly from Reddit in favor of early 2000’s style forums that I pay money for I've never heard of such forums. Does anyone have any examples of these? In particular ones that you pay for, but I'm interested in free ones too.
  • jfim 7y ago
    The SomethingAwful forums [0] used to cost $10 to join [1] in the early 2000s. A more recent example is the Farnam Street community, which costs money to join [2]. [0] https://forums.somethingawful.com/ https://forums.somethingawful.com/ [1] https://secure.somethingawful.com/products/register.php https://secure.somethingawful.com/products/register.php [2] https://fs.blog/membership/ https://fs.blog/membership/
    • prostheticvamp 7y ago
      Does anyone here use FS? Do you find it helpful (we’ll leave aside questions of cost), or is it like ... productivity porn?
  • Chabs 7y ago
    The Something Awful forums is the obvious candidate here. It costs a flat 10$ to create an account. This generally makes trolling, spamming and scamming a losing proposition and broadly helps with the signal to noise ratio.
  • erikbye 7y ago
    https://www.well.com/ https://www.well.com/
    • prostheticvamp 7y ago
      It’s unclear to me what that -is-. Is it just a paid forum?
      • 7y ago
• rootsudo 7y ago
  This is a great article to explain the dopamine fueled feedback loop. It's a simple way to fight it and win.
• skybrian 7y ago
  Source code for the Chrome extension mentioned is here: https://github.com/Ishmaeel/CrackbookRevival https://github.com/Ishmaeel/CrackbookRevival
• gnicholas 7y ago
  reminds me of The Disconnect, the web-based magazine that you can only read when you're offline: https://thedisconnect.co/one/ https://thedisconnect.co/one/
  • ferzul 7y ago
    that's hillarious, but if you reconnect, you lose your scroll position. i normally read things over days, weeks, months
• daniel_iversen 7y ago
  You can use a somewhat similar method easily on your phone, using iOS’ Screen Time to “block” certain apps. Then it’ll pop up and tell you you’ve “reached your limit” and gives you enough time to think about what app (or web/Safari) you’re about to use in order to interrupt any default undesirable patterns (also related maybe to the psychological concept of Delay Discounting). I’ve found it very helpful to reduce my app usage - https://www.nexle.dk/5-simple-steps-to-improving-your-mobile-phone-productivity-and-calmness/ https://www.nexle.dk/5-simple-steps-to-improving-your-mobile...
• bravura 7y ago
  This is fascinating. My laptop died during this one month of travel I’m doing, and I’m stuck doing everything on mobile. (No apple licensees where I am.) I bought a keyboard for my iPad, it’s still painful AF. So I began avoiding and canceling unimportant tasks because of their inconvenience. And then I realized: how much of this mindless garbage do I accept on my plate just because I am trying to „optimize my productivity“? (Typed with two thumbs. Perhaps hypocritically?)
• JadeNB 7y ago
  The author's description of this as 'watering down' the Internet, as if some élan vital is absent, I think is potentially misleading. As the author makes clear, this is working to minimise the addictive aspects of browsing, not to block the content. All the content is still there, just organised in a way that forces you to acknowledge that you can't and shouldn't deal with it all at once, or non-stop.
• cellularmitosis 7y ago
  Something I've found beneficial is to self-enforce a "search-only" usage of social media (youtube, twitter, etc). Essentially, don't allow yourself to mindlessly consume feeds, but if you'd like to search for something specific, go ahead. It might be worth writing some sort of extension or wrapper website to enforce this.
• Matumio 7y ago
  LeechBlock NG (the browser extension) has a "delay" mode of blocking. Make sure you enable "count only active tab" or it will waste much RAM and CPU. With full blocking I used to cheat by disabling the block, and then "forgot" to enable it again. With delay-based blocking I'm also cheating: instead of waiting for the delay I get up and do some minor chore. I used to feel smug about how clever I was, sabotaging my own block. Until I realized what a positive change this was. PS: I've waited 40s to submit this comment. You'll need another plugin to recover the text if you submit and then hit the delay page. Or submit before the timer runs out.
  • lnreddy 7y ago
    It doesn't work on reddit.com though. It keeps reloading the page and the delay page gets triggered in a loop.
  • unicornporn 7y ago
    Please tell me how you configured LeechBlock NG. I tried the delaying mode, but only works for the first visit of a domain? Once I've waited those seconds for the page to load I can mindlessly wander around for hours if I don't close the tab.
    • lnreddy 7y ago
      I think that is the point. It doesn't block the website entirely lest you go and disable the extension. It's designed to frustrate you slightly.
      • unicornporn 7y ago
        I see. Not very functional for those who have tabs for these sites permanently open.
        • Matumio 7y ago
          Right, I always open news front pages from a bookmark for some reason, and stories as background tabs. Each tab has its own delay-block when activated, and at some point I usually close unread tabs instead of waiting for them. But the block repeats every few hours, and I'm pretty sure that clicking on a link within the same tab repeats the block then (maybe depends on the page). So yes, the "dosage" of how many delays you get is not very well controlled for. Still, I'm using this setup for years and it definitely does something for me.
• Romanulus 7y ago
  I get the sentiment, but I do not agree at all... similar to putting fences around all the coastlines of the world, I would rather just teach my children to swim. I had to go back and make sure what was being said was actually the case which now makes me question what one does with all that latency time... just sit and breath and try not to totally freak out? I don't want to come off as too crass on this, but this type of self-regulation is just totally missing the mark (unless I'm missing something here).
  • vibrafox 7y ago
    A good quote I don't have a source on: you do not rise to the level of your ambitions, you fall to the level of your systems. Willpower is finite, but you can maximize it with systems like this.
    • Romanulus 7y ago
      Makes me think of the quote (paraphrased): "Your reach should always exceed your grasp." To me it feels like you are tamping down your maximum reach.
      • vibrafox 7y ago
        I tried that for a long time and didn't get anywhere. Building a safety net of systems/habits raises the floor for the inevitable slips back down.
  • osn9363739 7y ago
    I think there are a few parts to this. Firstly, if you are addicted it's too late, your willpower is shot. Blocking a site to retrain yourself is a good idea. Humans are creatures of habit. If putting up a temporary fence forces you to build the habit of swimming between the flags - when you take away the fence your monkey brain is hopefully stuck with the good habits. It's also a single person, vs a billion dollar industry that is spending a shit tonne of money trying to get them addicted.
• jtolds 7y ago
  I also deliberately slow down certain sites! It's wonderful. https://github.com/jtolds/twitoderm https://github.com/jtolds/twitoderm
• mLuby 7y ago
  2007: Breakthrough Internet Communicator 2011: Black Mirror 2020: Nightmare Rectangle
  • jmkd 7y ago
    "Nightmare Rectangle" is a brilliant phrase
• tjoff 7y ago
  I've been thinking of these types of quotes for a while now "Amazon found that every 100ms of latency cost them 1% in sales. Google found an extra .5 seconds in search page generation time dropped traffic by 20%." (from this first link in the post) And kind of thought that no one believes in that anymore, that it was a 90s thing - at least when considering the absolute mad UX that is prevalent today. Some sites must deliberately pretend to process your decision for close to a second just to annoy you. 100ms latency is bad but privacy banners with stupidly obvious dark UI patterns (where they are even deliberately breaking the law) are worth it? In what universe does that make sense? There is something seriously ill with the web today. Maybe this article is a cure. Not one I imagined but I'm intrigued.
  • pier25 7y ago
    Not only that but latency is introduced artificially to make users feel more confident about changes they've made. https://uxmag.com/articles/let-your-users-wait https://uxmag.com/articles/let-your-users-wait https://www.fastcompany.com/3061519/the-ux-secret-that-will-ruin-apps-for-you https://www.fastcompany.com/3061519/the-ux-secret-that-will-...
    • velosol 7y ago
      If the app or site isn't trying to sell me something then I don't see the draw. I understand the research around the marketing aspect but if I've already paid for something using a sleep() doesn't seem like it would make me trust something. I think I would rather ask why something is so slow (and doubly-so for anything on-prem which should be fast!). If research shows users aren't sure if something happened then fix the UI to give some feedback to the user that their action was registered. This will likely involve a small delay even if it's just in the user's perception of the feedback but less than presented in the articles. It's been much too long since I've run or participated in a UX study so maybe it's a good time to get back into it.
  • zf00002 7y ago
    > Some sites must deliberately pretend to process your decision for close to a second just to annoy you. Not just to deliberately annoy you, but also to try and sell to you. If you go do your taxes on a very popular tax site, you will eventually get to pages that say things like "finding all your deductions!" or similar with progress bars. Well that's not really happening because that was done in milliseconds, instead that page is trying to upsell you to the Premium or Platinum or Uranium version.
• b34r 7y ago
  So you’re intentionally wasting power and time. Cool. Maybe just go outside.
• Tade0 7y ago
  I use wondershaper: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/wondershaper.8.html http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/wondershaper... And limit my speed to 256KB/s which sounds like a lot and 15 years ago that was really fast, but it's enough to stop me from gorging on YouTube videos, which interestingly are less addicting when viewed at a maximum of 480p. Adding latency is not necessarily the best route, because some apps (looking at you, gmail) send tens of requests in sequence just to load the main page.
  • Aperocky 7y ago
    A monkey that occupy the screen for 5 seconds on each new frame load with quotes might neatly solve that problem.
• rainhacker 7y ago
  For anyone who wondered why large tech companies pay Software Engineers so much, this is the reason. Software quality and performance translate into quantifiable dollar amount, and that amount is quite high.
• jobseeker990 7y ago
  This is actually a really brilliant idea. Just make an addiction inconvenient instead of denying yourself. You could apply this to all kinds of stuff.
• jobseeker990 7y ago
  I wonder if Apple would consider adding this to the Screen time feature? Otherwise I don't see how you can apply it on the iPhone for just certain websites or certain times of day.
  • pzumk 7y ago
    They probably wouldn’t because it’s too specific. I’m in Germany and figured I’d just connect to one of the currently most used VPN Servers in New Zealand. Makes my connection slow when I can’t procrastinate or want to reduce screen time without actually blocking apps by enabling iOS Screen Time.
• dlsso 7y ago
  Interesting. I'm surprised this actually works for people. For me it would it would just make me waste more time, and turn browsing into a stress multiplier instead of a stress reliever. I favor extensions that give an alert or block the site after a certain time. More effective and less anger inducing for me personally.
  • Swenrekcah 7y ago
    I can understand where they’re coming from I think. I browse HN or reddit a lot when I put something in motion that will take 4-30 seconds to complete. Because who can wait tens of seconds for something. Then 15 minutes later... But if I know that I’ll probably have to wait just as long for the site to load then perhaps I’d just sit and endure, maybe...
    • codebje 7y ago
      Lately I've simply been keeping the slow activity visible on screen, it's been enough that the flicker of motion when it finishes can pull me away from the distractions.
  • bluntfang 7y ago
    This is basically an application of CBT, so it's not surprising that it works. Make room for yourself to notice you're doing something you don't want to do aka mindfulness and that space allows you to change your behavior.
• saltking112 7y ago
  Not simulating slow connection but delaying page display via JS/Tempermonkey. https://jsfiddle.net/16yuzxLr/ https://jsfiddle.net/16yuzxLr/
• toddmedema 7y ago
  Nice! I recently launched a similar Chrome extension (free, open source, no tracking or ads) that also includes a greyscale option to make the websites less interesting / addicting once they load https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/get-your-focus-back/hgokmjffmfnkaofmgjekjpiiocfafdoc https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/get-your-focus-bac...
  • beat 7y ago
    Thanks for reminding me to reset my iPhone to black and white!
• Antwan 7y ago
  I ran a website for youngsters several years ago. One of the duties to maintain it was to moderate discussion boards. Some kids were difficult to manage and would not accept to be banned (via email/IP/or whatever solution) and would keep recreating profiles. Ultimately I dealt with those ppl by “greylisting” them. Added a sleep() prior each page rendering of 5 to 25 secs (actually it was more sophisticated and would stream chunks over TCP so the slowness feeling was even more real). Worked like a charm. Few days after the recalcitrant would no longer come on the website. I called this “moderation by degradation of user experience”, and was pretty effective like the solution described in your post. Think about page load if you need to restrain visits.
  • marksomnian 7y ago
    Not an uncommon practice, Jeff Atwood calls it "hellbanning": https://blog.codinghorror.com/suspension-ban-or-hellban/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/suspension-ban-or-hellban/
    • kortilla 7y ago
      No, he calls it slowbanning. Hellbanning is when you let them keep posting but other people can’t see the posts. Hackernews hellbans as well and you can see the comments from the deplorables if you turn on “showdead” in your profile.
      • tylerchilds 7y ago
        I've always thought people might catch on, since no one is engaging with their takes. I'm curious if letting bots do some markov responses might keep them in the dark a little longer.
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        • atoav 7y ago
          I think nowadays you might catch on because the culpit might not be identified to your site with both their phone and their PC or something among these lines.
• majani 7y ago
  Another good way to reduce time spent on social media is to reduce the number of connections on each platform to less than 100 people/brands. All platforms struggle to find new crap to feed you with once you go below this threshold (except YouTube)
• seedless-sensat 7y ago
  Or, move to Australia to curb internet addiction.
• pier25 7y ago
  A couple of years ago I was pretty addicted to Facebook and would compulsively open a new tab and start typing "f..." in the address bar. Even if I had another tab with Facebook open. I tried blocking it for lapses of time but it didn't reduce my addiction. What did work was logging out of Facebook. The annoyance of having to log in and stop my flow was enough for me to stop using Facebook. Now I use it less than once a month when I want to contact some company that only has a Facebook page.
  • MayeulC 7y ago
    It helps that Facebook is pretty annoying when logged out, not sure it would translate well to Reddit (or HN). Maybe I should insert adds, banners, etc, on purpose in my tabs?
    • pier25 7y ago
      It would not help much on HN for me but if I was forced to use new Reddit I would stop using it. AFAIK you can't opt out unless you are logged in.
  • ddalex 7y ago
    Bingo. I did quit facebook by changing my password to a long random string that I had noted down on paper but not ever saved in the pass manager, together with auto deleting the cookies every day at 12AM. The sheer annoyance to re-log-in made me quit FB in about a week.
  • st1ck 7y ago
    You can also just unsubscribe from everyone.
• unwabuisi 7y ago
  Does anyone know any free/open-source alternatives to Charles? The closest I could find was this [0] but it doesn't look like it can throttle connections for specific hosts [0] - https://github.com/sitespeedio/throttle https://github.com/sitespeedio/throttle
• miguelmota 7y ago
  > Reddit with 150ms latency feels like cocaine: Reddit with 8000ms latency feels like coffee. Reddit with Spectrum internet latency feels like water.
• SirWilliamM 7y ago
  This sounds a lot like what Apple slowly does to iOS to make you buy a new phone...
• jamesjyu 7y ago
  Alternate solution: downgrade to a dial-up ISP.
  • ferzul 7y ago
    speed isn't latency. i want to get my OS updates in a timely manner. but i don't want hackernews to be so enjoyable
• baxtr 7y ago
  Interesting approach. I have gone one step further: I have simply blocked major sites I visit regularly. Every time I try to visit one of the sites I am reminded by the blocker that I should not. (HN is one of them - but only on my mobile device)
• throw18374 7y ago
  I took similarly extreme measures to end my video game addiction many years ago. I played MMOs compulsively. They basically hijacked the reward center of my brain to the point where what happened outside of the game seemed completely irrelevant to me. I didn’t even see the point of showering. During “moments of clarity” I understood perfectly well exactly what was happening to me, how the game was specifically designed to put me in that sort of state, how fake and toxic it all was. So during these “moments of clarity”, I would take some of my life back by deliberately sabotaging myself inside the game so I wouldn’t want to play anymore. I destroyed all my valuable items and deleted my characters. When I came back, I told support it was an accident and they recovered the items and characters for me... So then I gave all my valuable items to other players, thinking support couldn’t take those back from those people, because that would be creating free duplicates. So I told support it was an accident, and they recovered the account and created duplicates of all of my lost items. So I did that again, this time handing all the items to someone I knew. Support again recovered the account and created duplicates of everything, but warned that they wouldn’t be able to do this a third time because of concerns about in-game markets being disrupted by duplicates. So I did it again. This time they recovered the account, and some of the items, but none of the most valuable ones. Even then, I still wanted to play. So this time I did the same, deleted all my items, deleted my characters, and created a new email account on yahoo. I made that yahoo account’s username and password both something complicated I would never remember. I changed my game account’s email to that yahoo account, confirmed the email change, changed my game account’s password to something long I would never remember, changed all the game account’s personal and contact information to nonsense, logged out of the yahoo account, logged out of the game account, and closed the incognito tab. I tried, but I never figured out a way to recover that account. So I created a new account. Several times, but always repeatedly sabotaged myself during moments of clarity. Eventually, after a few weeks, I completely lost interest in trying and could finally do other things with my life. I’ve used this same tactic with every game since. Total gameplay hours over the last 10 years have been maybe 50 hours or so for Fallout 3, and that’s it. I don’t play anything anymore. Life has turned out unreasonably good since then, too. Career in software exploded. Maybe because of redirected compulsivity. Now I’m having a similar problem with workaholism. I guess the real-world implementation of my prior solution would be to give all my money away, burn all my bridges, and go meditate in a forest somewhere. That doesn’t seem like such a great idea, though, especially with people depending on me. I’ll have to figure out a different solution for this one..
• city41 7y ago
  I dropped my phone a while back and the screen now has issues. It gets "streaks" all across the entire screen. It's harder to see content, but you can get by. My first inclination was to get it fixed, but I've now had it this way for several months. I find I use my phone a lot less and now sort of consider the streaks a "feature". I've investigated going to a true dumb phone, but that's not nearly as feasible now as I would prefer. The Nokia 3310 is the only reasonably priced option I can find; and all the boutique, low volume dumb phones are absurdly expensive.
  • bacon_waffle 7y ago
    Overall, the not-smartphone thing is great! I wasn't particularly hooked on my (basic) smartphone, but definitely feel a bit more present without it. The urge to look at the rectangle in my pocket after being idle for 5 seconds is gone. I switched to a Nokia 8110 a couple months ago, and really want to like it, but the basics are too poorly done. On the 8110 in particular, the keys are quite small, and their debouncing is terrible. I worry the debounce might be the same for other phones in that family, which all seem to have the same guts. A single keypress is very often interpreted as a double-press, which makes T9 frustrating and the predictive mode practically impossible. There's no way to switch the ringer off, without opening the cover and navigating two layers of menu. The music player is borderline useless, a shame considering it has a microSD slot. At least on my network (Vodafone NZ), MMS messages don't work in either direction - basically you have to ring someone back when they try to send you one. The idea of having maps is nice. But, in practice, I've just reverted to noting directions in a notebook that I carry anyway. So, while maps was one of the main reasons I tried a Nokia KaiOS phone, it's not a requirement for the next one.
• bonoboTP 7y ago
  Another from me: blacklist the recommended questions from other stackexchange sites! I always get distracted by some juicy story on workplace.se or interpersonal skills or academia or worldbuilding or politics. My monkey brain will read those questions and think about the answer, then I have to click and see what others say. But Stackoverflow remains productive if I block this box.
  • K0SM0S 7y ago
    I wonder if, in the near future, we might not need blinkers¹ for internet, like we put on horses to keep them focused on the road, or conversely not distracted or scared by things around. Basically ad/js blockers elevated to content selectors, somewhere halway between full functionality and reader mode of the core content of a page. I see a literal tsunami of tiny projects like that on HN and various other places, and I suspect it's quickly gaining the characteristics of a product category — how much would you pay, or give away, to reclaim a distraction-free highly-focused web experience? Not sure about individuals (most mainstream users), but in businesses, offices, on the clock? That makes a stupid amount of sense. ("stupid" because, heh, it's seeking a solution for a problem we created in the first place, businesses deploring the consequences of things whose causes they cherish, should we say champion in modern lingo.) [1]: not that kind! https://www.pictorem.com/collection/900_Pawel-Kuczynski_blinkers.jpg https://www.pictorem.com/collection/900_Pawel-Kuczynski_blin...
  • tomcatfish 7y ago
    For those interested, I use these Ad-block (uBlock Origin) filters on Stackoverlow Network sites: ! Block the hot network questions for focus superuser.com,stackoverflow.com,stackexchange.com###hot-network-questions ! Get rid of the distracting "Blog" area superuser.com,stackoverflow.com,stackexchange.com###sidebar > div:has-text(Blog) ! This banner reappears for me superuser.com,stackoverflow.com,stackexchange.com###js-gdpr-consent-banner ! Block the left sidebar that takes up space superuser.com,stackoverflow.com,stackexchange.com###left-sidebar
  • tatami 7y ago
    StackOverflow even has a setting in your profile to block those. You have to be logged in, of course.
• adambyrtek 7y ago
  I'm a self-diagnosed completionist and I hate the infinite scroll so much that I developed a mental habit that helps me work around it. When I visit a site with infinite scroll (e.g. YouTube or new Reddit) I immediately scroll down until the first loading spinner (e.g. by pressing the End key). At this point I stop and go back up processing the items in reverse order. This might sound silly, but it gives me a sense of completion and a natural exit point once I get back to the beginning.
  • aembleton 7y ago
    I just don't scroll down and accept that what I can see on my screen is all that is worth looking at.
    • blondin 7y ago
      yep. same strategy. if it doesn't show up in one or two screens worth of contents then i am probably going to miss it. the thing that bugs me now are those mini video players that follow you on every page...
  • dkthehuman 7y ago
    I've been working on a Chrome extension called Hide Feed that automatically hides the feed. It's not quite yet ready for prime time, but it should help remove the need for that habit because you can just hide the feed whenever you don't want to look at it anymore. https://hidefeed.com/ https://hidefeed.com/
    • PaulBGD_ 7y ago
      Looks nice! Trying it out on Firefox, any chance it could get support for old.reddit.com as well?
    • gorpovitch 7y ago
      I've been looking for something like this ! Definitely interested (will you open source it?) I'm doing this manually using Stylus for facebook and twitter. It's unbelievable how healthier it made my consumption of these sites. I couldn't find stylus for mobile firefox though...
• lcall 7y ago
  It seems like this kind of thing is much easier if one has a considered purpose and direction in life, that let one derive joy from making stepwise progress toward those: a vision, strategy, goals, tasks. We all have to choose what we love the most, and implement that in our daily decisions & acdtivities. Whether one is religious or not, I have written about this more, at a simple, I hope skimmable, site: http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854588981.html http://lukecall.net/e-9223372036854588981.html .
• Fnoord 7y ago
  In remembrance of the dial-up time where, during load, you'd decide if you liked the content you thus far saw. Or, where you'd load some websites and disconnect internet to read offline.
• broabprobe 7y ago
  this is why I still use old iphones. They're slow and I have javascript turned off so the web is WAAY less addictive.
• rb808 7y ago
  Does anyone know of a 2G/3G cell network in the US? Its would be cheaper and I know I avoid my phone a lot when it reverts to 3G when I run out of 4G data. I still want email, uber etc though.
• davnicwil 7y ago
  Blocking comments from various sites is an amazing idea. Are there any extensions anyone can recommend for doing this comprehensively across all the popular sites / 3rd party comment engines?
  • MayeulC 7y ago
    I often browse with umatrix blocking all third-party js, so I tend to whitelist some of those on a per—site basis. That might partially work for you.
• jandrese 7y ago
  Lag is absolutely infuriating on a web browser. https://theoatmeal.com/comics/no_internet https://theoatmeal.com/comics/no_internet
• vhiremath4 7y ago
  hello Howon! Hope you're doing well. :-) ️ from Vinay (an old friend)
• CreepGin 7y ago
  My household has too many devices to setup individually. Anyone knows a good router to do this on? My router can blacklist ips and urls, but cannot just add latency to them.
  • dclusin 7y ago
    Probably openwrt would be the way to go. It’s basically Linux. I don’t know offhand how to do this in Linux but I suspect there’s a solution easily available.
  • megous 7y ago
    My MikroTik router has traffic shaping fairly easily configurable. I have used it at times for the similar purpose. Though, if you know how to disable something, you eventually will. If you want to know how it works in Linux: https://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html https://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html
• andrepd 7y ago
  >Deleted all variable pictures from YouTube with my adblock. The avatars of the people, the teaser images with people making obnoxious faces on them, the logo, etc. invidio.us with "thin mode" on
• bunchOfCucks 7y ago
  So edgy
• amelius 7y ago
  I add 1 second of latency when a Chrome user visits my website. And I already convinced my boss to switch to Firefox.
• PsylentKnight 7y ago
  > Android is the hardest to do this in. The Firefox addon LeechBlock NG can delay access to sites. Of course, that can't stop you from opening Chrome - which as far as I can tell, you can't uninstall from Android.
• sizzle 7y ago
  "You get the web from 2 basic kinds of nightmare rectangle: laptops and desktops, where you control a material portion of the computing environment, or mobile and tablets, where you control less." Gonna start using "nightmare rectangle" instead of "computer" from now on ...
• mrobin88 7y ago
  Amazons underlying revenue comes from you paying for faster servers...
• taude 7y ago
  The artisanal "slow internet" movement. It's like slow food movement, but for your data consumption.
• anonytrary 7y ago
  There's an analogue for consumerism in young single adults who haven't settled down: Next time you move, put everything you own in a box. You can only take something out of the box to use it. After 6 months (or a duration of your choosing), simply discard the box and everything still in it. The theory is that you won't miss anything you didn't actually need.
• markus_zhang 7y ago
  I'm wondering what are those "early 2000’s style forums that I pay money for". A few months ago I stumbled into such a website mostly for programmers and the style is completely different from HN or Reddit or whatever sites I'm on. Sadly I lost the website during a laptop breakdown :(
• stanislavb 7y ago
  I've been using this since this morning and can already feel the benefits. It's a great idea/extension.
• Thorrez 7y ago
  Linus Sebastian says that making his phone slower to open made him enjoy it more[1]. One easy way to make your phone slower to unlock is to give it a long password, this has the additional benefit of making your phone more secure. [1] https://youtu.be/WGZh-xP-q7A?t=305 https://youtu.be/WGZh-xP-q7A?t=305
• otakucode 7y ago
  What about making it so that the amount of latency added is dynamic? It could be set up so that frequency of visitation leads to greater and greater latency. Something like exponential growth of 1.5x every time the site is visited with an exponential decay function applied since the last time visited. This would encourage slowing down, and would most heavily penalize the most heavily used sites which seems coherent with the goal.
• wrsh07 7y ago
  This is an excellent mental trick and I would love to be able to configure gradually increasing latencies as I sit on the internet for an extended duration
• the21st 7y ago
  I have been using a chrome extension called waitblock [1] which does something similar and it did wonders for reducing my addiction. [1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/waitblock/kcnjfeppclpdinikcljfjigoongebpkh?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/waitblock/kcnjfepp...
• oldtapwater 7y ago
  I wrote an extension for this since I couldn't find a good one for Firefox. Feature and pull requests welcome https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/delaywebpage/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/delaywebpage/
  • ahofmann 7y ago
    Just what I was looking for! Thanks for this add on. For me youtube.com would still be extremely important. I set the blue window with the text to white and deleted the text, it's too embarrassing to have the big blue text on my screen.
    • oldtapwater 7y ago
      I'll add youtube to the list! Hm, I hadn't thought of that angle, maybe a white background and small text is a better default
  • RandomWorker 7y ago
    Could we customize the splash screen colours and text?
    • oldtapwater 7y ago
      Yes it's in the settings! I could add support for arbitrary CSS as well if you'd like :)
• baq 7y ago
  i'd like to do this on a home router for certain domains like reddit, facebook, instagram - are small devices capable of such selective buffering for long periods of time?
• PaulRobinson 7y ago
  There are ISPs that do this to customers who sign up for low price unlimited bandwidth deals and then hammer them for torrents. Traffic shaping them down to 1Mbit/sec or lower means they're likely to move onto another ISP within a few months. Legally dubious, but no other way of managing the 1% of users who are using 95% of the bandwidth in a way you'd not provisioned for (because then your economic model is broken).
  • Retric 7y ago
    Non peak bandwidth should be effectively free for ISP’s. Limiting their bandwidth during those peaks should be sufficient without losing a customer.
• minusf 7y ago
  > Used an extension to remove all the comments from Youtube it's enough to block all cookies on YouTube and comments stop loading
• souterrain 7y ago
  Network Link Conditioner is new to me. (I’m not a developer.) I find it strange that this exists, because as a mobile application consumer, it has been my experience that many apps don’t seem to consider network quality in their implementations. (Again, just based on my personal use; absolutely zero rigor in my method.) I suppose this the result of a feature of the human being: be lazy as possible. Rather than write code for poor quality networks (which in my experience are prevalent in rural areas and in older parts of cities) simply declare “we need faster mobile networks for all!” I suspect this will be a never-ending battle, and developers might consider caring at some point, to reach those eyeballs that will never have the cutting edge mobile networks. Or, don’t, and said eyeballs will be slightly less likely to become addicted, if this article is to be believed.
• superkuh 7y ago
  This happens naturally for me. The worse a website is, the more javascript it uses. This is a pretty solid correlation. So I use a browser that is meant to browsing websites instead of one that's meant to run javascript applications. This makes going to web app sites (the bad sites) fairly slow. Especially when I have to serially temp-whitelist 4 domains each requiring a reload of the page every time I visit. But normal web sites that don't suck pop in instant and fast.
• 0x262d 7y ago
  This post has some pretty good suggestions. But I always get frustrated with this issue and honestly there will never be a great solution to it. The underlying problem is that addicting people is core to the business model of facebook, twitter, and many other sites. With the web coupled to the profit motive there will always be infinitely more resources put towards making sites addictive than making them user-friendly, ie, encouraging healthy user habits. If the web was treated as a shared, public utility with no-strings-attached funding for developing shared tools like social media as well as supporting user-written clients for everything, effective tools for this that anyone can easily use would proliferate and web addictiveness and these clunky solutions would be nearly a non issue. This is basically the dream of socialism. Utility set free from the malignant requirements of profit. I think it's much closer to people's original dreams for what the internet could be before venture capital crept in and came to rule everything.
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• kponds 7y ago
  The article mentions that he has "Withdrawn mostly from Reddit in favor of early 2000’s style forums". Which good ones are still around that are not specific to a certain topic? I am interested in this. Since he said "that I pay money for", I'm assuming somethingawful maybe? Are there any others that are still good and active?
  • thefunnyman 7y ago
    I'm also curious about this. I frequently find myself wishing for a Reddit alternative but haven't been able to find something worth switching to.
• t_treesap 7y ago
  My internet addiction was at least 90% as bad even when I only had dial-up. Unfortunately, tabs make the latency thing an ineffective deterrent. (In the dial-up days, before tabs, my workaround was to have 20 IE windows open.)
  • kilovoltaire 7y ago
    The Crackbook Revival chrome extension he mentions restarts its timer if you switch tabs, so at least it remains effective despite tabs
• wpskidd 7y ago
  I’m still surprised that this type of findings hasn’t had more of an impact on commercial design. It is not uncommon to find Fortune 500 sites with load times over 20 seconds. I get it that it is hard to write and maintain clean code, still, repeated studies have shown the value proposition is there. Here is a little proof of concept I did awhile back to see how tight I could make a responsive page with a good amount of graphics. The whole page is two server calls (one is for the fav icon). It loads in about 400 ms total from github or in less than 200 from Godaddy shared hosting: https://pbskidd.github.io/cockenoe https://pbskidd.github.io/cockenoe
• sharmaakshat 7y ago
  why this application suggested on Blog read the Browser History.