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Yahoo Groups to remove all content December 14
- dredmorbius 7y agoThere seems to be a general trend from public to private / limited-group discussion platforms, at least among major providers. See also the G+ shutdown. Any Yahooligans able to comment?
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoI'd posit Reddit as a counterexample. Discovering and participating in extremely niche group communities has never been easier.
- dredmorbius 7y agoReddit is comparatively (revenues, staff) tiny. Large firms are behaving in more risk-averse ways, it seems. At least some are.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoAs of last year, Reddit is (was?) the 3rd-most popular site in the US, surpassing Facebook. https://wersm.com/sorry-facebook-reddit-is-now-the-third-most-popular-site-in-the-us/ https://wersm.com/sorry-facebook-reddit-is-now-the-third-mos... Although today's rankings place it at #6, just behind Facebook at #5 and Yahoo at #4 (srsly?). https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/US https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/US
- dredmorbius 7y agoBy users and visits, yes. By revenues and valuation, no. Users and visits pose little loss risk. Revenues do. https://www.feedough.com/reddit-make-money-reddit-business-model/ https://www.feedough.com/reddit-make-money-reddit-business-m... 2019 Revenues: ~$100 million. https://marketingland.com/reddit-us-ad-revenues-could-top-100m-this-year-amid-added-focus-on-ad-products-258969 https://marketingland.com/reddit-us-ad-revenues-could-top-10... FB 2018 revenues: $55 billion.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoYour original post was about a trend of users moving to private communities. I don't see why revenues and valuation matter for this?
- dredmorbius 7y agoNo, my original comment was about major providers shifting to non-public channels. G+, or its G-Suite successors, still exists, but as closed networks. Similarly Yahoo Groups. In looking at G+ Community size, open vs. closed participation was a huge factor in membership. Simply open vs. closed (mod approved) membership had a substantial impact: https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Migrating_Google%2B_Communities#Google.2B_Community_Characteristics_and_Membership https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Migrating_Google%...
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoSo you're arguing that Reddit is not a "major provider", but G+ is/was...?
- dredmorbius 7y agoYes. As I'd hoped I'd been sufficiently clear on.
- BlueTemplar 7y agoWhile reddit probably works well for very large groups, their 6-months-and-the-thread-is-locked policy is very bad for small ones... not to mention that it violates netiquette !
- syntheticnature 7y agoNot a Yahooligan, but a comment from a staff member on the now-removed Help Forums about two years ago indicated that Yahoo had "deprioritized" Yahoo Groups and would be providing only the most minimal of support. This feels much like the AIM shutdown, even if some things will continue to work for an undefined period of time.
- SllX 7y agohttp://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2848 http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2848 9 years later and still spot on. Just waiting for the day they “sunset” Yahoo! Mail and delete everything.
- ghaff 7y agoIn the meantime, they seem to be sneaking in charges for things. I saw a Yahoo Pro Mail the other week. I can’t imagine the circumstances that triggered that as I’ve barely glanced at my Yahoo Mail for years. Customer service claimed to have trouble dealing with it. Eventually had the credit card company deal with it.
- binarymax 7y agoI still use the Yahoo! mail address that I registered in the year 2000. Around 2008, back when it was still a decent mail experience, I actually paid something like $25 for a pro account for a year, just to support them somehow. The payment hid the ads in the sidebar. Oath went all in on mining the data and showing me useless promos. I have a gmail account that I use for all my personal correspondence now, but my yahoo account is registered with 20 years worth of signups and accounts. I have been counting the days where I have to figure out how to migrate all those accounts to a different email. When I need to do that, it will probably be under a domain that I own so that I never have to go through with it again.
- ghaff 7y agoI forwarded any emails that contained info I might want to search for. When tabs got good with Gmail I pretty much stopped using Yahoo for signups and the like. Whatever still defaults to Yahoo isn’t anything I care much about at the moment. I should have a backup address but I should probably just use Microsoft for that.
- draw_down 7y agoMan. I certainly lived through all this and remember it, but I cannot imagine ever being so enraged at Yahoo, nor even the notion of a Yahoo employee defending the company. Sure they were the Titanic, maybe they still are. Companies make mistakes and die off, it's ok.
- dsalzman 7y ago“Anything you post on the internet will be there forever” meme is becoming less true these days. Closed gardens that get shutdown without any notice, dead links run rampant, full reliance on cloud vendors for data storage.
- CrankyBear 7y agoIt was never, ever true. Information on the web rots away at an amazing rate. For example, one of the first big tech stories covered on the web was the Microsoft-Netscape browser war and the resulting MSFT anti-trust trial. Have fun hunting down the original reporting. Well over 90% of it is gone.
- Macha 7y agoI found this when looking for information on the fact that there was apparently a lawsuit over gnu Emacs on the gosling thread.
- vntok 7y agoTry a Google search with date range, plenty of original results here: https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+netscape+browser+war&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A2005&tbm= https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+netscape+browser+w...
- acollins1331 7y agoNot necessarily a bad thing.
- segfaultbuserr 7y agoNot necessarily a bad thing for individuals, but definitely a bad thing for Internet users as a collective. Some Yahoo Groups are still active and has irreplaceable, valuable information that dates back to 2000.
- tyfon 7y ago
- SN76477 7y agoBack around 2000, I used yahoo groups a ton. Good times, now most of those groups (synthesizers) are on Facebook.
- pottertheotter 7y agoI really dislike how so many groups are now Facebook based. I miss being able to have emails from groups. Some were important enough that they went to my inbox, some had specific folders so I could check them when I needed. And my email is something that's already a part of my life. It's so much less efficient to use Facebook groups.
- SN76477 7y agoI agree. I have had a folder in gmail for synthesizers for probably 15 years now. I am able to research topics this way and it feels fabulous. Facebook being so closed is a real problem.
- nradov 7y agoThe writing has been on the wall for years. I use Yahoo Groups for several local community organizations and features would just randomly break for weeks at a time. There was zero support from Yahoo; it's obvious they no longer had any engineering resources assigned. Is Google Groups the only practical alternative now? (Some people don't have Facebook accounts so that's not an option.)
- ghaff 7y agoOr just an email list Depending on your needs. Though SPAM has made that harder without a real commercial service.
- nradov 7y agoWe also need file hosting and calendars in a single integrated service so an email list doesn't meet our needs.
- syntheticnature 7y agoYes, the anti-SPAM efforts have made running your own Mailman (or other list service) instance an increasing pain. Many providers now silently drop list email, even if you have jumped through all the approrpiate hoops.
- upofadown 7y agoSpam isn't really a problem for email lists you have to sign up for unless you have a really large number of subscribers. Spammers need zillions of addresses to make it worth their while to do anything. It isn't a problem at all for closed lists...
- mfer 7y agoGoogle Groups isn't available in all markets (e.g., China). There are some other alternatives like groups.io. This is nice for some open source projects that want to have people all over the globe use it.
- nradov 7y ago
- theqult 7y agowhat could be the reason ?
- EamonnMR 7y agoPosts are down to their lowest levels since the 90s (if I'm reading this graph right).[1] Also, someone at Y! probably figured out how much it cost to run the infrastructure and maintain the code. [1] https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=File:Yahoo_groups_post_date.png https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=File:Yahoo_group...
- williamDafoe 7y agoThat graph is biased in that it only covers discovered groups and only half have been discovered (older groups are likely more likely to have been discovered). Assuming it's NOT biased something happened in the 2nd half of 2014 to destroy traffic to Yahoo Groups.
- sedachv 7y ago> Assuming it's NOT biased something happened in the 2nd half of 2014 to destroy traffic to Yahoo Groups. That is the time when Yahoo! Groups fucked up their DMARC implementation: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.support.thunderbird/lZoquwntw_M https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.support.thun...
- tclancy 7y agoEveryone now knows how babbys are formed.
- ulfw 7y agoWhat's the point of Yahoo at all anymore? Finance? I am at a loss of what it is they still even do.
- troxwalt 7y agoRun a pretty damn good implementation of Fantasy Sports.
- Harimwakairi 7y agoThey target and serve ads. Yahoo is still a key piece of Verizon's strategy for making money from internet advertising. Verizon, as a wireless carrier, knows where you are most of the time, and the various internet properties of the Verizon Media Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Media) know a lot about what you do online.
- guywithabike 7y agoNot sure about how the rest of the company does, but in the iOS App Store, the Gmail app has 147K reviews and Yahoo Mail has 2.1M reviews. I think that's a decent proxy to tell us that Yahoo Mail is _hugely_ popular still.
- tomcooks 7y agoReviews costing a dime a dozen i don't really think it's a valuable indicator of success, use or quality.
- 1123581321 7y agoFake App Store reviews cost $0.50-2.00 each, roughly. And they are very difficult to hide at that scale.
- drusepth 7y agoObviously it depends on where you purchase your review service so it's hard to give definitive prices, but I'm looking at a listing offering 1-2K AS review bundles for $150-$200, which averages between 10 and 15 cents. No idea on the quality, but IMO it doesn't look like fake reviews often try to hide themselves.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoThe announcement is confusingly worded, but if I'm parsing that right, Yahoo intends to nuke everything except the ability to mail a defined bunch of people from Groups? So no more web UI with message history, much less attachments, files, etc.
- EamonnMR 7y agoArchive team[1] has some tools for archiving groups (if you've got some you care about.) [1] https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups
- aikah 7y agoThanks for the link. I'm into hardware synthesizers and there was a lot of groups exchanging patches, utilities, fixes, repair tips, mods and what not in these groups, a LOT of extremely useful information is going to be lost, unfortunately. This is a terrible news.
- hc91 7y agoIs there any value left in Yahoo!'s services at this point? This is a genuine question.
- Spooky23 7y agoYahoo missed the boat in terms of their real asset, which was identity. Microsoft, Google and Facebook ran with it. The rest of Yahoo is just an irrelevant husk.
- dehrmann 7y agoThey also had a friend network in Yahoo! Messenger, but no one was able to turn that into a true social network.
- aristidb 7y agoSeeing this made me donate a small sum to the Internet Archive, maybe you (dear reader) want to do it too? https://archive.org/donate/ https://archive.org/donate/
- dobleboble 7y agoIf one is able and willing, a monthly recurring donation helps them budget for the future.
- ethagnawl 7y agoI just did the same. Thanks for the nudge.
- pmoriarty 7y agoThis is what I fear will happen some day to Stack Overflow (and other members of the Stack Exchange network), with HN, and with Reddit. There's too much great content in private hands.
- toomuchtodo 7y agoStack exchange puts their data dumps into the Internet Archive [1]. Others have done the same for HN and Reddit. I’m slowly archiving all of Imgur and Reddit’s image hosting system. ArchiveTeam is typically on top of these sorts of things though, unless a major web property goes dark unexpectedly. [1] https://archive.org/download/stackexchange https://archive.org/download/stackexchange
- brokensegue 7y ago> archiving all of Imgur and Reddit’s image hosting system that's a huge task? where do you have funding for that?
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- toomuchtodo 7y agoStorage is cheap when host it yourself.
- Bartweiss 7y agoWait, are you trying to get everything from these services, or just some portion? (Oldest, highest-traffic, lowest-traffic, etc.) A quick-and-dirty estimate says Imgur was adding perhaps 1.5PB of data per year way back in 2012; that much storage is going to run you $30k even on offline tape. Downloading that much data is more doable than I expected (1/3 of a year on a gigabit connection), but just keeping up with Imgur's new uploads sounds like a monumental task. (It's a good task, and it does seem possible for one dedicated person. I'm just really curious to hear how you're managing it!)
- azinman2 7y agoThere goes a lot of collective history... I hope archive.org is able to snapshot it.
- simonvc 7y agoDon't know if it's still true, but i heard once the the UK phone number portability system was run on a yahoo group. (a quick google shows the rumors were true.. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/56646/simwood.pdf https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/56646/s...)
- irb 7y agoThat is hilarious. "A review might consider whether it is befitting for the world's sixth largest economy to manage critical national infrastructure via a Yahoo group but we would hope that is obvious."
- ec109685 7y agoAs an email mailing list, the Yahoo Group will continue to work. The website functionality is what's being lost.
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- droithomme 7y agoBased on the yahoo post Groups is not going away, they are just disabling all the features except the ability to be a web only no email private group forum. Previously you could upload files to common areas, have polls, subscribe by email. The groups will still be there, but will be much less useful for many people. However the functionality will be similar to say here, people can create accounts and post messages. Disabling links is unclear. Each Groups I think can have a list of links to things, but maybe they are saying they intend to filter all posts to remove any url references?
- zerocrates 7y agoIt seems like email is staying, too.
- droithomme 7y agoIt's weird because it says "Email Updates", "Message Digest" and "Message History" will go away. As I understand it, email updates is when you get the emails sent to you from the list, message digest sends several at once rather than one at a time, but what is message history? Is that the archives on the web site? So you can be invited, you can join, you can send emails, but no one can receive them and there's no archive of them apparently? That can't be it. Their description of what is happening is completely unclear.
- SyneRyder 7y agoIt looks like it won't have a web interface or archive. It's becoming email only with no web archive history: Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward? You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site.
- pbreit 7y agoIm confused. Does this mean Yahoo Groups is shutting down?
- djsumdog 7y agoThat's what I thought too, but it looks like it's just getting restricted to private groups and disallowing media/content uploads. It's probably to push people off so they can shut it down later.
- brokensegue 7y agoi would assume it's an anti-spam effort
- williamDafoe 7y agoAll messages will stop on Yahoo groups (last one of the bullet points.)
- raincom 7y agoIt will just function as an alias for all that group members. Yahoo won't save the email on their servers; instead, expands the blah@yahogroups.com to every member, and sends them a copy. That way, they don't need to maintain any infrastructure besides email server.
- smaili 7y agoIt's amazing to believe at one point, this used to be the de facto source of a lot of the information I would search for on the net. Oh how the times have changed. RIP Yahoo Groups
- segfaultbuserr 7y agoThis is horrible. Some Yahoo Groups must be still active as mailing lists, or at least an archive for some niche communities, and they have irreplaceable, valuable information. I don't know other groups, but I know the Tektronix oscilloscope group (TekScopes) has been on Yahoo for a decade, and it's often the only source of information about vintage Tektronix oscilloscopes that dated back to the 1960s, some were former engineers with firsthand experience who can help to fix your scope or identify a replacement part, and the mailing list archive has a lot of lost knowledge that cannot be found elsewhere. Well, fortunately TekScopes migrated to Groups.io in recent years, which is good. But just think about other groups...
- Bartweiss 7y agoI've seen several fandom wikis recently which sourced things to Yahoo Groups comments from the creators. Presumably those statements will be lost forever soon unless someone spots those things and archives them. In the present, it feels a bit silly to mourn random posts from writers and webcomic creators as a serious loss. But when I consider the impact of past artists' letters and journals (e.g. Tolkien), it feels rather different. Some of these silly things will turn into real academic and historical sources if only they survive.
- segfaultbuserr 7y ago> I've seen several fandom wikis Internet subculture surfing and archaeology is my favorite hobby, I do it for fun, not for researches. I have seriously considered quit software engineering and move to social science, but it will remain as a hobby. I've spent a long time browsing alt.folklore.computers and Usenet FAQs from early Usenet archives, or reading the long-deleted 4chan posts from Bibliotheca Anonoma [0], a repository of history and folklore from Something Awful, 2channel, 4chan, and looking up and laughing at memes that nobody remembers. Or read the early writings and thoughts of online personalities long forgotten. The biggest frustrating in my exploration is meeting a dead link that hasn't been archived by archive.org, if it occurs, all bets are off, the journey ends officially. By erasing a webpage, parts of the collective history and culture is thereby removed. I've also seen the death of endless small communities due to changes of circumstances, usually without a warning and happens overnight. The lesson is that we should donate to archive.org today, just click here. https://archive.org/donate/ https://archive.org/donate/ [0] https://github.com/bibanon/bibanon https://github.com/bibanon/bibanon
- btrettel 7y agoAbout a decade ago I archived many Yahoo Groups I liked with yahoo2mbox. No idea if there are any similar scripts now. I tried using hypermail to convert some of the mbox files into HTML so I could post them online, but for some reason hypermail doesn't seem to work on any of them. Thunderbird reads the files fine, though. If anyone has any ideas about why, let me know. I could even provide a sample mbox file if you email me (address at website linked in my HN profile). The worst part is that there's one private Yahoo Group that I never was able to get access to that apparently was important in a hobby I've participated in. I guess that one's going to the bit bucket... Edit: Archiveteam has information about other archiving programs: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups
- akeck 7y agoIf you can read them in Thunderbird, sometimes that's all it takes. I had to save a friend's soon-to-deleted university account. I had another IMAP account also configured Thunderbird. I was able to drag and drop from the soon-to-deleted account into sub-folders of the IMAP account.
- btrettel 7y agoIf I understand you right, you're suggesting that I get Thunderbird to process the mbox file by moving it into another folder. Reasonable idea, as hypermail seems to work on mbox files generated by Thunderbird. I'll give that a shot if the solution posted by jefftk doesn't pan out: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21272524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21272524 Looks like this Python script can generate HTML files, so no need to use hypermail.
- webwanderings 7y agoI did the same sometimes ago. I had a very large number of messages so I had to break things down into separate mbox according to years and months. I then just loaded the file into the email client. I wanted to sync the mailbox with Gmail (that would be closest to getting it back online) but never had the time. However, I wish there was an exporter for Google Groups but there isn’t any as far as I could tell.
- jefftk 7y agoI have a group I still care about. Here's how I'm archiving it: git clone git@github.com:andrewferguson/YahooGroups-Archiver.git python archive_group.py <group-name> See https://github.com/andrewferguson/YahooGroups-Archiver https://github.com/andrewferguson/YahooGroups-Archiver and https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups
- spullara 7y agoIf you don't use git authentication and use https, this works better: git clone https://github.com/andrewferguson/YahooGroups-Archiver.git
- raincom 7y agoNoob question: how to convert the downloaded json file into a readable message?
- icebraining 7y agoFirst run those commands, then run python make_Yearly_Text_Archive_html.py <group-name>
- Alex3917 7y agoHappen to have a screenshot of the output of that? Just from skimming the source, I would imagine that messages in longer threads get pretty unreadable.
- raincom 7y agohttps://i.imgur.com/s7IiHO6.png https://i.imgur.com/s7IiHO6.png https://i.imgur.com/V6QzKdT.png https://i.imgur.com/V6QzKdT.png Run these scripts with python2, as it uses print statements. Also pip install natsort
- milankragujevic 7y ago
- danso 7y agoI wonder how much this has to do with GDPR and other data regulations? Presumably Yahoo Groups has too little activity to be worth keeping in an active state. But even in a static, archival state, Yahoo would still be obligated to fulfill data requests for it, right?
- geggam 7y agoToo little activity ? When I worked on it back in 2010 the sheer volume of email sent was staggering. The issue with groups always was and always will be monetizing it.
- danso 7y agoFair enough. But what is it these days compared to Facebook, Reddit, Google Groups, or even Tumblr? Yes I know that the latter platform is suited for types of content much different than Yahoo Groups, but I'm thinking Verizon cares mostly about it in terms of engagement metrics (userbase, page views, potential ad space, etc).
- geggam 7y agoKeep in mind groups is 18 years old. It started as an email list and I can tell you we had 12 email servers and they sat at around 2k message a second... steady. We didn't even alert until they hit 20k in the queue. The photos in Groups was also an interesting thing. We once had a "hacker" create groups called shard1 shard2 .. etc etc. He put his porn in there and deep linked to it. We found out when we got the internet bill for the overseas bit. We were pumping out 8GB a second to China and didnt even notice the traffic until we got the bill :) Yes, I am sure Facebook/ reddit has eclipsed it by far in data sets now, however the volume in groups isnt matched by many other. When I left they had ~4 Petabytes of data... around 8 years ago
- danso 7y agoVery interesting context, thank you!
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- untog 7y agoDoes anyone have any suggestions for a free alternative? In an ideal world I'd be looking for a paid one but I'm a member of a community group with no real affiliation, so there's no mechanism by which everyone could chip in. Plus, the obvious free alternative is a Facebook group. I'd like to suggest an alternative if I can.
- squashmode 7y agoA couple old groups that I'm a part of have migrated off of yahoo to https://groups.io https://groups.io I think it's a step up in usability and interface.
- KajMagnus 7y agoWhat about forum software like Discourse or Flarum https://flarum.org https://flarum.org? However Discourse is a bit expensive. In addition, I'm creating a Pay-what-one-wants alternative to FB gropus and Meetup and email lists ... It's sort of a cross between StackOverflow, Slack, HackerNews: https://www.talkyard.io https://www.talkyard.io (open source). What do you like the most about Groups.io? if I may ask
- rwmj 7y agoYahoo Groups came from the acquisition of eGroups.com, one of the very early VC-backed pure internet services. Sold to Yahoo for $432m (in stock, sadly for them).
- Mindwipe 7y agoTBF Yahoo stock performed very well at some points since then so it might have worked out well for them if they sold at the right time.
- Animats 7y agoSo Yahoo doesn't do their directory any more, they don't do groups, and they don't have their own search engine. Why are they still keeping the lights on?
- patd 7y agoYahoo Finance is quite good.
- skinnymuch 7y agoYahoo Finance. Yahoo Sports (including Fantasy and there’s also Rivals which isn’t under Yahoo banner). Yahoo News. Yahoo Mail. Yahoo Search isn’t their own but it’s still decently widely used when comparing it to everyone outside Google and Baidu. The Yahoo overall domain and site is still a top 10 visited worldwide site. I doubt it’ll drop out of the top 20-25 for a while especially if you exclude porn sites. Yahoo combined with AOL is still a top 5 web advertising company. Google, FB are clearly ahead. Amazon is pulling ahead. Microsoft is there. Then it’s mostly relatively speaking smaller operations like Verizon Media rounding out the rest that have close to or above 1% share.
- amatecha 7y agoPretty sad news. I get the feeling that, in general, no company wants to give users a way to share free-form content and have ownership over that content. Every new "social media" platform that pops up allows sharing only a very strictly-defined set of data, shared only in a limited way. A lot of the open-ended nature of sharing on the web has gone by the wayside, while extremely narrowly-focused sharing methods take their place. Flickr for example feels like some kind of relic, a holdover from an earlier time, where you can actually _join groups_ and share photos (incl. metadata!) in there and have discussions in those groups. I'm very thankful it still exists, and I dread the day it is shut down. I used to spend a ton of time browsing Flickr groups related to my interests (R.I.P. "Macintosh" group!) as it was a perfect way to find great photos and some interesting discussion you cannot find elsewhere. I've tried to do the same on Instagram over the years, and it's just not the same. Browsing everyone who tagged their stupid coffee photo #macintosh is not even close to the same experience, and sharing a conversation with people is simply not possible in that context. Not sure what else to say. It's just another casualty of the web I grew up with. The web I watch slowly disappear. :\
- tenebrisalietum 7y agoOf course no company wants to, because more money is made through a combination of online targeted advertising and data mining. This of course has encouraged walled gardens. Since this is where the money is, this becomes where the marketing is and where the effort to capture new users through friendly methods and appearances are.
- unixhero 7y agoPaging /r/datahoarder
- mlyle 7y agoIgnore the below; I was wrong. ~~Note that list content isn't going away as the headline implies, but instead all the files uploaded to groups.~~
- neonate 7y agoWhat exactly is going away and how do we know? There's contradictory information and it's confusing. Under "what features will go away?" it includes: links, conversations, email updates, message digest, message history. That sounds like more than just files uploaded to groups.
- mlyle 7y agoYah, I'm striking my comment. Saying "no longer able to upload content"-- I assumed it was limited to files.
- donatj 7y agoAh snap. I have very fond memories of the HP DE100C Linux based console mp3 player group helping me troubleshoot problems back in the day, even an HP employee hooking me up with a new remote. It's sad to see them shut down.
- at_a_remove 7y agoThey killed off all of the chat rooms on a mid-December as well. In fact, December 14, 2012. Curious. Watching Yahoo wither slowly over the course of so many years is fascinating in a morbid sense. I am told that they had some very interesting technological endeavors, but this was not sufficient to save them, apparently. One clue has been watching their home page and the frantic amounts of "partnering" they've done, to the extent that they pushed much of it even out to the chat clients. That isn't the whole of it, but it does seem to point to a kind of desperation on their part.
- bitL 7y agoThe last traces of tech-centric Internet are being done away with... Only the ad-ridden cesspool remains. Sigh
- dehrmann 7y agoDunno if I'd call Yahoo! Groups "tech-centric."
- siavosh 7y agoIt's situations like this that the idea of a 'permanent web' like IPFS resonates.
- donohoe 7y agoIt gets better... [facepalm] From Twitter: Today it was announced that Yahoo! Groups is shutting down, and taking with it a piece of critical national infrastructure: the Oftel Yahoo Group which is used for managing UK phone number assignments. Yes, really: See Ofcom's website https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/56646/simwood.pdf https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/56646/s... Original tweet: https://twitter.com/erincandescent/status/1184587323599736837 https://twitter.com/erincandescent/status/118458732359973683...
- shp0ngle 7y agoFrom what I understand, it will still work as a mailing list platform, just everything on the web will shut down.
- lsiebert 7y agoTo do this without providing any tool for exporting data is proof of a lack of good engineering culture.
- seiferteric 7y agoGeocities all over again.. Why can't they go into readonly mode? Or even a downloadable archive? How much storage could it possibly be?
- jdlyga 7y agoWhy does Yahoo always shut down their most useful products? They shut down Yahoo Boss Geolocation services, which at the time was among the most accurate geolocation services (look up an address, and get a latitude/longitude position). Besides Google which was more accurate, but had a restrictive license on their API, it was the best out of all we tested.
- dehrmann 7y agoNot that this is a the best example of this, and I'm asking this as an honest question: at what point should we be OK with data being ephemeral and legacy services dying? With things like Yahoo! Groups, AIM, etc., the world has mostly moved on, and while these announcements bring back some memories, I don't necessarily see them as a huge loss, either.
- bobbye12345 7y agotrying to use yahoo-group-archiver, hard coded some data into the yahoo.py file : cookie_Y = '...' cookie_T = '...' and later assigning them : args.cookie_y = cookie_Y args.cookie_t = cookie_T before calling the function YahooGroupsAPI and using my username / password getting these error messages : logging in... Exception raised on uri: https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/alesis-ion/messages https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/alesis-ion/messages {"ygError":{"hostname":"gapi1.grp.bf1.yahoo.com","httpStatus":500,"errorMessage":"Internal error: UDB Failed","errorCode":1001}} ERROR: Couldn't download message; 403 Client Error: Forbidden for url: https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/alesis-ion/messages https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/alesis-ion/messages Exception raised on uri: https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v2/groups/alesis-ion/files https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v2/groups/alesis-ion/files {"ygError":{"hostname":"gapi15.grp.bf1.yahoo.com","httpStatus":500,"errorMessage":"Internal error: UDB Failed","errorCode":1001}} Traceback (most recent call last): File "yahoo.py", line 485, in <module> archive_files(yga) File "yahoo.py", line 154, in archive_files file_json = yga.files() File "c:\Users\ITD\Documents\Python Scripts\yahoo groups 3\yahoogroupsapi.py", line 96, in get_json raise e requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 403 Client Error: Forbidden for url: https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v2/groups/alesis-ion/files https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v2/groups/alesis-ion/files tried it on another group, same result. Has someone encountered these messages ?