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The Internet Archive is waging war on misinformation

367 points by praveenscience 7y ago

haunter 7y ago
Does anyone how the Internet Archive get a bypass on DMCA? It's full of pirated games for example. I'm aware that it's one thing to archive something but anyone can download it as well, so it's essentially distribution too. Just curious how does it work. Personally that's how I get old SNES, NES, DS games.
- count 7y ago
  They don't, they take things down if they get a notice, but the majority of their stuff is out of publish, and the company that published it is defunct or doesn't care at this point.
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
    I feel like this can't be the whole truth? I wouldn't, for example, start reprinting bestsellers and merely stop when asked. Imposing an opt-out system on others isn't really how copyright works.
    - kd5bjo 7y ago
      The DMCA safe harbor provisions give middlemen/service providers some protections. So long as they are storing things at someone else’s direction and comply with takedown requests, they are protected from most copyright claims. This protection doesn’t extend to the person that provided archive.org the content originally.
    - count 7y ago
      You're stretching the analogy in a whole bunch of ways. They're hosting old, out of print games, not the latest Call of Duty best seller. And the DMCA has a 'D' at the front, because it's different when content is digital, otherwise it'd just be 'copyright'. The DMCA explicitly allows for this method of operation: the Internet Archive, like HN or Reddit or IG or YouTube is a neutral 3rd party, hosting content that users provide. As long as they take that content down when legally notified appropriately of a copyright claim, then the DMCA explicitly says they're good to go. And as another user metioned, the games specifically have an exemption/carveout codified in law: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/11/expanded-dmca-exemption-video-game-preservation-grants-small-victory-amidst https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/11/expanded-dmca-exemptio...
  - haunter 7y ago
    >and the company that published it is defunct or doesn't care at this point. Nintendo? They are hard on shutting down ROM sites yet almost all of their catalog is up on IA
- madmulligan 7y ago
  They don't. They do this with their Great 78 project as well. The way they go about borrowing collections, digitizing them, then returning them (which in itself is illegal reproduction), and then posting them online (also breaking copyright laws), is very sketchy. In in addition it is frustrating to watch (I hesitate to say "unfair") them do this when, say, university or publicly funded archives cannot get away with doing the same and are much more constrained in their methods. There is a whole other can of worms to do with long term sustainability and preservation but I won't get into that
  - magashna 7y ago
    It's not "sketchy". Their DMCA page explains it and they respond to DMCAs with validity. Now Youtube and their in-house pseudo DMCA is sketchy.
- gwern 7y ago
  The IA actually has a DMCA exemption for the pirated games: https://archive.org/about/dmca.php https://archive.org/about/dmca.php
  - rasz 7y ago
    Not so sure about that, their big Amiga collection lasted couple of days.
    - LukeShu 7y ago
      Specifically, the part of the DMCA that the exemption is for is the part that makes it criminal to bypass copy-protection; it does not grant them additional rights to make or distribute copies. There are lots of forms of copying where the copying itself is legal under copyright law. However, the DMCA made it criminal to bypass copy-protection mechanisms, even if they copying itself would otherwise be legal. That's what the exception was for.
  - eli 7y ago
    Pretty sure that temporary exemption expired and was not renewed.
    - LukeShu 7y ago
      The exemption was renewed in 2006 and in 2010 (the would-be-2009 decision was delivered late), but was not renewed in 2012. That said, the exemption was to allow legally bypassing the copy-protection mechanisms; that were preventing otherwise-legal copying. Once they bypassed the mechanism to get a non-copy-protected copy in 2003-2012, they may continue distributing copies of it now, since the act of copying was/is legal; it's the act of breaking the DRM that is once again forbidden.
      - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
        Distributing copyright works without a license is usually infringing though.
- cptnapalm 7y ago
  I'd be happy if it had a copy of IBM Support Console Application 1.6.1 or 1.6.2 for OS/2 from 1999 or so, but alas.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Didn't IA go through the bother to legally become a library, allowing all kinds of digital lending? The last time this came up on HN, I was able to find the information. But it doesn't Google doesn't seem to want to share any information with me about it right now. Maybe because it's older than six minutes.
  - Nemo_bis 7y ago
    You could consider using a certain little known libre encyclopedia for your searches: > was officially designated as a library by the state of California in 2007.[notes 6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive#Operations
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  The Internet Archive are a registered library. Their About page talks around this though doesn't address the point specifically. It's the best reference I can come up with right now: https://archive.org/about/ https://archive.org/about/
kd3 7y ago
These guys are heroes.
- tpmx 7y ago
  I used to think that. Then I tried volunteering via their IRC channel and was met with some next level hostility. My read is: a) They're doing a job that needs to be done. b) They're relatively flush with cash from donors c) They're not nearly as efficient as they could be. d) The people there seemed more concerned about competition than collaboration. e) Probably most controversial: The organization seems like it has stagnated.
  - aleph- 7y ago
    Are we talking about internet archive or archive team? Different groups/orgs.
    - tpmx 7y ago
      Edit: Hmm. Honestly not sure if it was IA or archiveteam. I think IA.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      So what's the relationship between IA, the Archive Team, and the Wayback Machine? I am totally confused who is who here.
      - scrollaway 7y ago
        The Wayback Machine is a project by Archive.org to archive the internet and allow users to browse old versions of pages. The Archive Team is a community of archivists who do their own thing, but frequently contribute their collections back to Archive.org. There's a lot of cross-pollination between the two.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    How did you approach them, what did you ask to help with? Not saying you did this, but there's a big difference between "hey folks, how can I help?" compared to "I noticed your page load times are ridiculous, I can get you to a place that isn't awful".
taborj 7y ago
They mention archiving a bunch of Trump stuff, but are they just focusing on conservatives? There's a bunch of misinformation on both sides, and if they're really after the truth, they should be paying the same amount of time and attention to both right and left. Somewhat related: it's sad but perhaps not inevitable that everyone basically has to do their own research to find out what's actually going on. These days, I don't trust any one source; I find out what that source used as their source, and go read that. And if that source has a source, I look at that. This means I oftentimes find myself looking at the raw numbers of, say, gun deaths or immigration numbers, etc. It's extremely time consuming, but immensely illuminating. If only there were some organizations that would do this for me, without adding in some bias or interpretation. We could call them "news organizations."
- SamBam 7y ago
  What gives you the impression that they're "focusing on conservatives?" Do you have evidence for this statement? You mention archiving Trump's tweets. Do you think that they might do this because he is the President of the United States?
  - taborj 7y ago
    I mention this because of these choice quotes from the linked story: "“We’re bringing up a generation that turns to their screens, without a library of information accessible via screens,” said Mr Kahle. Some have taken advantage of this “new information system”, he argued — and the result is “Trump and Brexit”." ... "After President Trump’s election, and as the existence of disinformation campaigns that sought to sway voters came to light, the archive began several new projects. One of these was the Trump Archive, a collection of the US president’s television appearances that now contains more than 6,000 videos, including from before he took office. Separately, as part of the effort to document the 45th president’s often-contradictory statements, the organisation is cataloguing Mr Trump’s tweets." The fact that they call it the "Trump Archive" and not the "Presidential Archive" speaks volumes.
    - Swenrekcah 7y ago
neonate 7y ago
http://archive.is/M7zGj http://archive.is/M7zGj
- IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
  This is funny, but the FT actually has opened their paywall today, so this may be a good time to check out everything you didn't get to read in the past.
- snek 7y ago
  archive.is blocks requests from cloudflare recursive recursive resolver. Please consider using an archive like web.archive.org which doesn't block anyone.
s9w 7y ago
This is a blatant and cheap hit piece, 100% politics and should not be here
- anarchy8 7y ago
  Thankfully, nobody cares what you think.
  - s9w 7y ago
    "the 45th president’s often-contradictory statements"
    - calderarrow 7y ago
      Often is subjective, but he does contradict himself a number of times greater than 0. http://www.trumpcriticizestrump.com/ http://www.trumpcriticizestrump.com/
      - hcorGJ 7y ago
        WE'RE often SUBJECTIVE!
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      Even if you're a fan, you gotta admit, dude talks in circles. It's not a hit piece to point out an obvious and well documented behaviour.
    - beepboopbeep 7y ago
      Stop whining
      - hcorGJ 7y ago
        no srlsy dont
    - ineedasername 7y ago
ineedasername 7y ago
I like that the internet archive exists, but I don't like how they implement their opt-out policy. Sites can opt-out at any time, which I suppose is the correct thing to allow, but once they opt out then everything the Archive has gathered up to that point also goes away, which seems wrong.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  It doesn’t go away, it’s just not public. This is to comply with copyright law. It’s still safely stored on disk.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    Okay, if they have no choice in it then I understand. But as for keeping a copy on disk that practically no one can ever see, to me that strikes seems like a distinction without a difference.
    - diggan 7y ago
      I'm pretty sure you can visit the building that Internet Archive operates from (https://archive.org/about/contact.php https://archive.org/about/contact.php) and freely surf/look at all the content, even the content that is not available from the web version.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - raxxorrax 7y ago
        I see no advantage in restricting access. I just believe this to be a mechanism to hide uncomfortable content, which I believe has no benefit as long as no personal information is revealed.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Better to save content for a future with more sane copyright law than to not save it at all.
hugh4life 7y ago
Extremely lame article... I remember back 10 years ago either google or the internet archive had a temporary search engine that went through the wayback machine... and a lot of interesting things were found. It was through this IIRC that it was discovered that Obama filled out a questionnaire in 1996 saying he supported same-sex marriage when that was not his public position at the time. I've always wondered why that search engine went away and who currently has access to do such searches.
- naringas 7y ago
  > who currently has access to do such searches. my guess is intelligence agencies do
- 5- 7y ago
  You appear to be remembering Google publishing their 2001 search index that was briefly available in October 2008: https://www.cnet.com/news/who-were-you-in-2001-check-googles-old-index/ https://www.cnet.com/news/who-were-you-in-2001-check-googles... Extremely useful thing, I wonder how the legal side of things was managed, even for such a short exposure.
hcorGJ 7y ago
YES!
- some_random 7y ago
  What is this account? Made ~20 minutes ago with 5 nonsense posts on this article? Obviously a bot, but to what end?
hcorGJ 7y ago
I've waited a LOOONG time for Arma. (I'm black your all white and blues).
hcorGJ 7y ago
Stinkfist/Goldeneye was here. D-)
Johnny555 7y ago
If they really want to be trusted as a source of truth, they need to find a way to publish cryptographic signatures of every page that can be validated to prove that the page was captured when they say it was. Maybe some sort of blockchain. Otherwise there's no reason to trust that an Internet Archive snapshot is an accurate representation of the archived page.
- seppin 7y ago
  > Maybe some sort of blockchain. Or you know, any other kind of secure database.
  - Johnny555 7y ago
    Just curious, what kind of secure database lets anyone independently verify the integrity without needing to trust the entity that hosts the database? I can envision a chain of signatures that lets anyone validate a complete chain of website versions, but am not familiar with a database that allows the same.
- philips 7y ago
  I think a transparency log of all URLs that they put into the archive would be a good step. This at least guarantees that a URL isn't modified after getting into the archive. Some prior art: https://blog.golang.org/module-mirror-launch https://blog.golang.org/module-mirror-launch https://www.certificate-transparency.org/what-is-ct https://www.certificate-transparency.org/what-is-ct https://merklecounty.substack.com/p/rget-a-secure-download-user-story https://merklecounty.substack.com/p/rget-a-secure-download-u...
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  I think that's included in the WARC format. OK: it's an optional field, "checksum", but not a formal has. As of v. 0.9: http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/warc_file_format-0.9.html http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/warc_file_format-... I haven't checked the drafts specs for further progress, but that's here: http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/ http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/ IA are instrumental in developing WARC, use it as their archival format (non-WARC web archives are ... generally not acceptable), and it's been adopted by US Library of Congress and other institutions as a standard.
beeschlenker 7y ago
This is not misinformation: Pres. Trump backs int'l Soros child rape ring for $4billion bribe Pelosi rec'd $3b 'to ensure safe passage over border'. Rapists include Obama, Schumer, Cuomo, Buttgieg, DeBlasio, Dorsey, Theil, BMurray. 60+ deaths from rapes in BuffaloNY\Jan2019, $15+billion in payoffs. Listen to them do it here: Listen to previously unprocessed footage now available [Soros, 0bama child rapes on 15Jan 4-6am\], Obama around 5:24AM: "Why is there so much blood? Someone get me something to clean the blood off my dick...." \\The footage gets censored in L\A, NYC, CHI, SF, BOS, DC...why are these wealthy high profile child rapists, who are caught in the act, able to remain free with no action by the FBI?? • note: {} groups of links are multiple ways to get the same file:. 15JanCh3_347-528.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8YeDzghf95FQrxBaMpXK4b-SfJYERs8/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8YeDzghf95FQrxBaMpXK4b-SfJ... https://mega.nz/#!bTQwDQDA!jolSOqGR2Zomhtn7zIG0lGmqXSqe3KG1mO_7nKLrqNo https://mega.nz/#!bTQwDQDA!jolSOqGR2Zomhtn7zIG0lGmqXSqe3KG1m... 15JanCh3_528\-545.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavyRFWTRv4_teHYewpQMwMCq6LDzb6Y/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavyRFWTRv4_teHYewpQMwMCq6L... https://mega.nz/#!DfBywKKR!llMUzB8DLM2Rcvm0QkOKdiE3PpCY5YeR3yJwrm9R_4U https://mega.nz/#!DfBywKKR!llMUzB8DLM2Rcvm0QkOKdiE3PpCY5YeR3... \\15JanCh4_400-600avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavnBCyhq_JRmST2QH5qlojUE6dr5IWS/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavnBCyhq_JRmST2QH5qlojUE6d... https://mega.nz/#!faZggSja!yF_QOcodvYXwk7qEO1N8eSaV90ZWUUaS18Surn8rnEU https://mega.nz/#!faZggSja!yF_QOcodvYXwk7qEO1N8eSaV90ZWUUaS1... See pages 18->23,8,11,12,35,45,61,62, and update list at end of doc\. Having trouble getting traction. Getting censored\banned. Billions in bribes paid to Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, Harris to enable a Soros funded child raping ring to operate in the USA. Please listen to the links below. Turn up the volume and put headphones on. You will hear these people and many other high profile people, incriminate themselves in unbelievable fashion. Full 83 page document [update 9Sep\] filled with red handed evidence like this at the bottom. Go to pages 18 --> 36 of this document and you will hear Doursey and Theil raping children. You will hear their crying and screams. They both rape and kill three boys. Also at the "rape party" of note\: Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Bill Murray, Peter Buttgeig, George Soros, Barack Obama. Please copy and paste this post and repost it, or save it in a text file for later because it will likely get removed sooner or later. I keep getting censored by these people. • Bill De\Blasio's turn starts at 21:00. He kills five boys (pg 35): https://mega.nz/#!OCJwQSBC!AlER6vRRTKS8yvSxnVwAl3ha3kGDLqoouQe53zkGARg https://mega.nz/#!OCJwQSBC!AlER6vRRTKS8yvSxnVwAl3ha3kGDLqoou... • Andrew Coumo\'s starts at 22:00. He kills four boys. (pgs 35-36\): https://mega.nz/#!qKZChABY!zy-2jIHqEg4gWHNbiEym-YBdSs5Y9qzT2ARieV_eozA https://mega.nz/#!qKZChABY!zy-2jIHqEg4gWHNbiEym-YBdSs5Y9qzT2... • \Both files in one here: 14JanCh3_2100-2300\.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yolCgVtY5b8d8YDcshwb-Yd3kS0Jg-Bk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yolCgVtY5b8d8YDcshwb-Yd3kS0... \\Peter Theil starts at 1:00am, Jack Dorsey at 1:30am each raping and killing three boys. Turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on\. Pages 19\20.. https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_100-200.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_1... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzZrjobxhNIEf38M3xk-IeA5SeF4aUtB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzZrjobxhNIEf38M3xk-IeA5SeF... https://mega.nz/#!qHhRiKLI!Tl1AnP0Lq6GIBH2MGitYNuXoe81uYeVQdxwSaZ8CY7o https://mega.nz/#!qHhRiKLI!Tl1AnP0Lq6GIBH2MGitYNuXoe81uYeVQd... \\Obama admits to raping and killing boys here at about 5:47Am w\ commentary from Peter Theil, George Soros, Matt Porter:. https://s3.wasabisys.com/out2/Out2/15JanCh3_0545.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/out2/Out2/15JanCh3_0545.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCDoc1kT7cfSeKQ1vniP_sx32_bRsHau/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCDoc1kT7cfSeKQ1vniP_sx32_b... https://mega.nz/#!veBk1KrL!zkO_keTyZAtNoTGEGsfRmXyuVIj9p8c3R8GtY-o_Nt8 https://mega.nz/#!veBk1KrL!zkO_keTyZAtNoTGEGsfRmXyuVIj9p8c3R... \\DTrump demands $4 billion to "take a blind eye" at 1015+\. Here is pieces of dialogue: 1018 Henry Porter: The child raping. 1018 Donald Trump: What the fuck are you talking about 1018 Gigi Hadid: Mr President we are child rapists. 1018 Donald Trump: You cannot be serious. 1019 Donald Trump: Youre gonna need $4 billion for me to take a blind eye. 1019 Porter: People are laughing because they think four billion is too much. I think it's not a problem when you have $35 billion. 1022 Donald Trump: You better have that $4 billion or you can kiss this shit goodbye. https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv2/3Jan/3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv2/3Jan/3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... https://mega.nz/#!TKgxzS5J!i-nWn3HaOAJPU7rju83B4qcwSzun4Dl2B29FEZxtMSU https://mega.nz/#!TKgxzS5J!i-nWn3HaOAJPU7rju83B4qcwSzun4Dl2B... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi agreeing to $3 billion for safe passage at Monterrey (page 11)\: 1033 Nancy Pelosi: We want to make sure you have safe passage at Monterrey. 1033 Matthew Porter: We appreciate that Speaker Pelosi. 1033 Gigi Hadid: I think we may have to scale back a little bit though. 1033 Nancy Pelosi: Gigi I think we will be just fine. 1035 Nancy Pelosi: God damn it\! I want Kamala to get a billion out of yours, not out of mine 1035 Gigi Hadid: I think we can accommodate you but we need to find out if Monterrey will be open on the 30th of January. 1036 Nancy Pelosi: Of course it will Gigi 1036 Nancy Pelosi: $3 billion goes a long way Peter [Theil\]. \\17JanCh3_949-1100avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... https://mega.nz/#!uXJUTYrI!-6eJXCWHSKhbHRv5p3df1a9k2-hHr9bxd5bkjxvgguY https://mega.nz/#!uXJUTYrI!-6eJXCWHSKhbHRv5p3df1a9k2-hHr9bxd... \\Trump wants $138 million to ensure smooth outcome for false judgement, as in no trial or hearing, simply entering in a judgement into the system thus bypassing the fifth amendment right of due process\: https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/10JanCh3/10JanCh3_951-1033.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/10JanCh3/10JanCh3_951-1033.av... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30mlw9INp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30ml... https://mega.nz/#!jSwzFYLY!RFQvL8KIyFZf1WfC6tGoPFgJ4aREeGE_pe3i2fwshy8 https://mega.nz/#!jSwzFYLY!RFQvL8KIyFZf1WfC6tGoPFgJ4aREeGE_p... Obama explains the Illuminati with Jack Doursey..At 2:30 a conversation is occurring on the embedded Porter camera system with Jack Dorsey, Peter Theil, Barack 0bama, Bill Murray, and the Porters. Jack Dorsey provides a statement defining who their group is: "The Illuminati is an underground organization of child rapists and homosexuals." Matthew Portr: "We have to thin the herd, so Barack is going to explain a few things." At 2:32 Barack 0bama says the following: "You people have to realize we are child rapists. The Illuminati are chil.d rapists. As soon as you figure that out, you can decide what to do. Everybody is freaking out about what just happened [child raping event still going on\]. This is who we are\": https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_200-347.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_2... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ok1-9IvANULzKBOwADFgaiYCFi6yszfj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ok1-9IvANULzKBOwADFgaiYCFi6... https://mega.nz/#!nbhTwALA!qmf_0Lq0jApSwxRj1KRS_Q7QYbg4aJc4JMU9rDjR_yo https://mega.nz/#!nbhTwALA!qmf_0Lq0jApSwxRj1KRS_Q7QYbg4aJc4J... Full 83 page document [update 9Sep]: Three ways to get it: https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul20... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... https://mega.nz/#!OKYwES6A!zPGcRSg5de1XALI3FtUH3FCNCuLUzQbZN0l5iNCQqmU https://mega.nz/#!OKYwES6A!zPGcRSg5de1XALI3FtUH3FCNCuLUzQbZN... \\Please post this anywhere you can\! Each Google drive and Mega.nz link is a backup to the Wasebi link just in case one is "down". Getting blocked, censored, 'down\voted' etc. These people are extremely wealthy and throw money to anyone who will help them cover up their child rapes &murders, corruption. Ironically\, this is usually done through a receivership transfer where you receive the funds after for or more day, and it can be pulled at the last second, which is usually the case after you've done them the "service" as they call it. A word about the "f@\#&ot" usage: it was a necessary tool. It showed three things: they were not in control, if they were the usage would have been stopped. Everyone out there needed to see this. Two, it made it unpleasant for them to be in the head space, which has obvious advantages. Three it pointed out impersonators of B\S. because they would not call each other f@\%ot, thus helping to mitigate the spread of false information. Apologies for those unintentionally offended. On that note I give you Barack 0bama in a foursome with Peter Thiel, Jack Dorsey, and Matthew Porter. It is on page 12 of the document where you can download the video containing audio footage of the "event". Link for the doc is just above under "Full 83 page document".
rc_kas 7y ago
I gotta donate to them again, I always forgot about them, but those fuckers are hero's.
ravenstine 7y ago
Archiving the web is a fine thing on its own, but why must everything become a "war" against misinformation, fake news, etc.? It can simply be a side benefit to having the Internet Archive. But I'm wary of anyone who claims to be trying to combat misinformation, because usually there's a political agenda. (and I don't care whose agenda it is, but by all means, downvote me...) I don't want the Internet Archive to be around for the sake of keeping tabs on Trump or pointing out fake news. Just archive web content. The end, please.
- devmunchies 7y ago
  agree. the unix philosophy. This service only archives the web. To know whether the content is true, see: <other service>
devmunchies 7y ago
>But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding.
- emilfihlman 7y ago
  >An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding. 100%. It reduces the entire point to just voluntarily donating to your favourite think tank or political party, not an "archive".
  - ntzm 7y ago
    I'd rather not have a manual for starting a neo-nazi race war archived to be honest
    - not_a_cop75 7y ago
      How about a Communist manifesto or other authoritarian literature? Why are we only really concerned about one type of authoritarian?
      - food_eater 7y ago
        It's currently in-vogue to be scared of and hate nazi's. For some reason though that sentiment never took root against communists. It's almost like that type of political ideology took root in american institutions thus paving the way for this new narrative to take hold that communism is good and facism is bad.
        tracker1 7y ago
        And people completely forget history... there were several popular variants of totalitarian socialism in europe. Russia in particular had civil-war like conflicts between the main 3 factions (iirc, red, green, white) and facism was definitely in the mix, but after WWII fell out and for some weird reason no longer considered socialist. After WWII, there were definite anti-communist movements, though McCarthyism took things way too far. You cannot combat ideas with censorship, they'll fester.
jakeogh 7y ago
It's pretty obvious they were next on the hit list. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20623177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20623177 archive.org is a huge problem for the rewriters.
RobertRoberts 7y ago
9/11 in the Archive. Go look at all the news websites on September 10th, 2001... and back about a month or two. All empty until 9/11.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  Supposedly a lot of news sites were pummeled with traffic on 9/11, which prompted investment following that.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Supposedly a lot of news sites were pummeled with traffic on 9/11, I think it's pretty safe to say that new sites were pummeled with traffic on the biggest news day since the internet was widely used for news. Certainly, it's the simplest explanation for how news vs. other sites behaved on 9/11.
- gojomo 7y ago
  There are many similar gaps in collection in the early years of the Internet Archive. Early archive.org web captures came overwhelmingly from crawls by the company Alexa Internet (which started in 1995 but by 2001 was a subsiiary of Amazon). Alexa's original bulk web crawling was intermittent: restarted once every couple of months, without much focus on rapid re-crawls of news sites. You can also see seasonal patterns, with larger lulls in summers. The events of 2001-09-11 prompted a bunch of fresh, faster crawls – and higher prioritization of news website re-crawls.
- abacadaba 7y ago
  Na I remember pretty well, there was literally nothing in the news for months before that, top story was shark attacks or something.
  - BeetleB 7y ago
    The Witchhunt of Gary Condit, if you really don't remember. My roommate would get upset every time they brought him up on the news - he was sick of hearing about him (never any actual findings or updates - just more and more speculation). I remember a few days after Sept 11, I suggested my friend call the news channels and demand to hear an update on Gary Condit.
dredmorbius 7y ago
OT: the FT's paywall appears to have opened up, apparently in general, not just for HN referrers. I'd previously been using the archive.is / archive.fo workaround. The FT is among the very highest-quality mainstream/establishment news publications, and is well worth the subscription, if you can afford it. It will reward your attention even if not. Update: this is a one-day promo: https://4estate.media/@aendrew/102814393931699671 https://4estate.media/@aendrew/102814393931699671
3xblah 7y ago
"Mr Graham said he was an "optimist", but conceded that the archive had not yet saved as much as he would like. Take YouTube, for example: the team is only archiving a "small fraction" of all the videos published each week." Is it true one can nudge the IA crawlers to archive a page that would otherwise be ignored? https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-something/ https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-somet... Is this as simple as sending a GET request, something like: curl -O /dev/null https://web.archive.org/web/save/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oBh6Ng8bI4^1 1 Are web developers the only ones who use "Overrides" in Chrome DevTools? For example, could users replace external resources such as tracking pixels or JS/CSS that obscures text with their own resource files?
- crisnoble 7y ago
  If you put that link as a link in your video description, google crawlers might follow the link, thus triggering the GET request the same as curl.
brewsterkahle1 7y ago
Full copy of the article: https://archive.org/details/howtheinternetarchiveiswagingwaronmisinformation https://archive.org/details/howtheinternetarchiveiswagingwar...
rkagerer 7y ago
Thank you for using the word "misinformation" instead of Fake News.
jakeogh 7y ago
Meta: Are we going to click these cookie notifications until the end of time? I have JS off, so usually I dont see them... /thanks EU
scoutt 7y ago
I'm am glad the Archive exists and also a frequent user. The only thing that gets me thinking is that at some point in the future, they will own the past. That is, if it wasn't in the archive then it didn't happened (in what content-in-a-webpage regards). And by owning the past they would be able to manipulate it (probably). One can say the same thing about Wikipedia, but there are other encyclopedias that can be used to check a certain fact. Do we need an archive of the Internet Archive?
siliconunit 7y ago
I find this kind of news deeply worrying...critical thinking should be applied to everything, and purging an archive of some of its controversial stuff (albeit a common practice in real ones too as pointed out) is a terrifying perspective, what's the next subject, where do you stop, is the internet to become a 'validated safe space'? A chilling perspective. If you cannot handle discussion about absolutely anything without being afraid or influenced something is deeply wrong in the way you have been educated.
ash 7y ago
> Around the sides of the room [in Internet Archive headquarters] stand around 130 3ft porcelain figurines — replicas of every employee who has spent at least three years at the archive. Wow. That's a lot of figurines.
jimmays 7y ago
With GDPR and all it's impossible not to provide an opt-out of some kind in this day and age.

Does anyone how the Internet Archive get a bypass on DMCA? It's full of pirated games for example. I'm aware that it's one thing to archive something but anyone can download it as well, so it's essentially distribution too. Just curious how does it work. Personally that's how I get old SNES, NES, DS games.

count 7y ago
They don't, they take things down if they get a notice, but the majority of their stuff is out of publish, and the company that published it is defunct or doesn't care at this point.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
  I feel like this can't be the whole truth? I wouldn't, for example, start reprinting bestsellers and merely stop when asked. Imposing an opt-out system on others isn't really how copyright works.
  - kd5bjo 7y ago
    The DMCA safe harbor provisions give middlemen/service providers some protections. So long as they are storing things at someone else’s direction and comply with takedown requests, they are protected from most copyright claims. This protection doesn’t extend to the person that provided archive.org the content originally.
  - count 7y ago
    You're stretching the analogy in a whole bunch of ways. They're hosting old, out of print games, not the latest Call of Duty best seller. And the DMCA has a 'D' at the front, because it's different when content is digital, otherwise it'd just be 'copyright'. The DMCA explicitly allows for this method of operation: the Internet Archive, like HN or Reddit or IG or YouTube is a neutral 3rd party, hosting content that users provide. As long as they take that content down when legally notified appropriately of a copyright claim, then the DMCA explicitly says they're good to go. And as another user metioned, the games specifically have an exemption/carveout codified in law: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/11/expanded-dmca-exemption-video-game-preservation-grants-small-victory-amidst https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/11/expanded-dmca-exemptio...
- haunter 7y ago
  >and the company that published it is defunct or doesn't care at this point. Nintendo? They are hard on shutting down ROM sites yet almost all of their catalog is up on IA
madmulligan 7y ago
They don't. They do this with their Great 78 project as well. The way they go about borrowing collections, digitizing them, then returning them (which in itself is illegal reproduction), and then posting them online (also breaking copyright laws), is very sketchy. In in addition it is frustrating to watch (I hesitate to say "unfair") them do this when, say, university or publicly funded archives cannot get away with doing the same and are much more constrained in their methods. There is a whole other can of worms to do with long term sustainability and preservation but I won't get into that
- magashna 7y ago
  It's not "sketchy". Their DMCA page explains it and they respond to DMCAs with validity. Now Youtube and their in-house pseudo DMCA is sketchy.
gwern 7y ago
The IA actually has a DMCA exemption for the pirated games: https://archive.org/about/dmca.php https://archive.org/about/dmca.php
- rasz 7y ago
  Not so sure about that, their big Amiga collection lasted couple of days.
  - LukeShu 7y ago
    Specifically, the part of the DMCA that the exemption is for is the part that makes it criminal to bypass copy-protection; it does not grant them additional rights to make or distribute copies. There are lots of forms of copying where the copying itself is legal under copyright law. However, the DMCA made it criminal to bypass copy-protection mechanisms, even if they copying itself would otherwise be legal. That's what the exception was for.
- eli 7y ago
  Pretty sure that temporary exemption expired and was not renewed.
  - LukeShu 7y ago
    The exemption was renewed in 2006 and in 2010 (the would-be-2009 decision was delivered late), but was not renewed in 2012. That said, the exemption was to allow legally bypassing the copy-protection mechanisms; that were preventing otherwise-legal copying. Once they bypassed the mechanism to get a non-copy-protected copy in 2003-2012, they may continue distributing copies of it now, since the act of copying was/is legal; it's the act of breaking the DRM that is once again forbidden.
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      Distributing copyright works without a license is usually infringing though.
cptnapalm 7y ago
I'd be happy if it had a copy of IBM Support Console Application 1.6.1 or 1.6.2 for OS/2 from 1999 or so, but alas.
reaperducer 7y ago
Didn't IA go through the bother to legally become a library, allowing all kinds of digital lending? The last time this came up on HN, I was able to find the information. But it doesn't Google doesn't seem to want to share any information with me about it right now. Maybe because it's older than six minutes.
- Nemo_bis 7y ago
  You could consider using a certain little known libre encyclopedia for your searches: > was officially designated as a library by the state of California in 2007.[notes 6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive#Operations
dredmorbius 7y ago
The Internet Archive are a registered library. Their About page talks around this though doesn't address the point specifically. It's the best reference I can come up with right now: https://archive.org/about/ https://archive.org/about/

kd3 7y ago

These guys are heroes.

tpmx 7y ago
I used to think that. Then I tried volunteering via their IRC channel and was met with some next level hostility. My read is: a) They're doing a job that needs to be done. b) They're relatively flush with cash from donors c) They're not nearly as efficient as they could be. d) The people there seemed more concerned about competition than collaboration. e) Probably most controversial: The organization seems like it has stagnated.
- aleph- 7y ago
  Are we talking about internet archive or archive team? Different groups/orgs.
  - tpmx 7y ago
    Edit: Hmm. Honestly not sure if it was IA or archiveteam. I think IA.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    So what's the relationship between IA, the Archive Team, and the Wayback Machine? I am totally confused who is who here.
    - scrollaway 7y ago
      The Wayback Machine is a project by Archive.org to archive the internet and allow users to browse old versions of pages. The Archive Team is a community of archivists who do their own thing, but frequently contribute their collections back to Archive.org. There's a lot of cross-pollination between the two.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  How did you approach them, what did you ask to help with? Not saying you did this, but there's a big difference between "hey folks, how can I help?" compared to "I noticed your page load times are ridiculous, I can get you to a place that isn't awful".

taborj 7y ago

They mention archiving a bunch of Trump stuff, but are they just focusing on conservatives? There's a bunch of misinformation on both sides, and if they're really after the truth, they should be paying the same amount of time and attention to both right and left. Somewhat related: it's sad but perhaps not inevitable that everyone basically has to do their own research to find out what's actually going on. These days, I don't trust any one source; I find out what that source used as their source, and go read that. And if that source has a source, I look at that. This means I oftentimes find myself looking at the raw numbers of, say, gun deaths or immigration numbers, etc. It's extremely time consuming, but immensely illuminating. If only there were some organizations that would do this for me, without adding in some bias or interpretation. We could call them "news organizations."

SamBam 7y ago
What gives you the impression that they're "focusing on conservatives?" Do you have evidence for this statement? You mention archiving Trump's tweets. Do you think that they might do this because he is the President of the United States?
- taborj 7y ago
  I mention this because of these choice quotes from the linked story: "“We’re bringing up a generation that turns to their screens, without a library of information accessible via screens,” said Mr Kahle. Some have taken advantage of this “new information system”, he argued — and the result is “Trump and Brexit”." ... "After President Trump’s election, and as the existence of disinformation campaigns that sought to sway voters came to light, the archive began several new projects. One of these was the Trump Archive, a collection of the US president’s television appearances that now contains more than 6,000 videos, including from before he took office. Separately, as part of the effort to document the 45th president’s often-contradictory statements, the organisation is cataloguing Mr Trump’s tweets." The fact that they call it the "Trump Archive" and not the "Presidential Archive" speaks volumes.
  - Swenrekcah 7y ago

neonate 7y ago

http://archive.is/M7zGj http://archive.is/M7zGj

IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
This is funny, but the FT actually has opened their paywall today, so this may be a good time to check out everything you didn't get to read in the past.
snek 7y ago
archive.is blocks requests from cloudflare recursive recursive resolver. Please consider using an archive like web.archive.org which doesn't block anyone.

s9w 7y ago

This is a blatant and cheap hit piece, 100% politics and should not be here

anarchy8 7y ago
Thankfully, nobody cares what you think.
- s9w 7y ago
  "the 45th president’s often-contradictory statements"
  - calderarrow 7y ago
    Often is subjective, but he does contradict himself a number of times greater than 0. http://www.trumpcriticizestrump.com/ http://www.trumpcriticizestrump.com/
    - hcorGJ 7y ago
      WE'RE often SUBJECTIVE!
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Even if you're a fan, you gotta admit, dude talks in circles. It's not a hit piece to point out an obvious and well documented behaviour.
  - beepboopbeep 7y ago
    Stop whining
    - hcorGJ 7y ago
      no srlsy dont
  - ineedasername 7y ago

ineedasername 7y ago

I like that the internet archive exists, but I don't like how they implement their opt-out policy. Sites can opt-out at any time, which I suppose is the correct thing to allow, but once they opt out then everything the Archive has gathered up to that point also goes away, which seems wrong.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
It doesn’t go away, it’s just not public. This is to comply with copyright law. It’s still safely stored on disk.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  Okay, if they have no choice in it then I understand. But as for keeping a copy on disk that practically no one can ever see, to me that strikes seems like a distinction without a difference.
  - diggan 7y ago
    I'm pretty sure you can visit the building that Internet Archive operates from (https://archive.org/about/contact.php https://archive.org/about/contact.php) and freely surf/look at all the content, even the content that is not available from the web version.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - raxxorrax 7y ago
      I see no advantage in restricting access. I just believe this to be a mechanism to hide uncomfortable content, which I believe has no benefit as long as no personal information is revealed.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Better to save content for a future with more sane copyright law than to not save it at all.

hugh4life 7y ago

Extremely lame article... I remember back 10 years ago either google or the internet archive had a temporary search engine that went through the wayback machine... and a lot of interesting things were found. It was through this IIRC that it was discovered that Obama filled out a questionnaire in 1996 saying he supported same-sex marriage when that was not his public position at the time. I've always wondered why that search engine went away and who currently has access to do such searches.

naringas 7y ago
> who currently has access to do such searches. my guess is intelligence agencies do
5- 7y ago
You appear to be remembering Google publishing their 2001 search index that was briefly available in October 2008: https://www.cnet.com/news/who-were-you-in-2001-check-googles-old-index/ https://www.cnet.com/news/who-were-you-in-2001-check-googles... Extremely useful thing, I wonder how the legal side of things was managed, even for such a short exposure.

hcorGJ 7y ago

YES!

some_random 7y ago
What is this account? Made ~20 minutes ago with 5 nonsense posts on this article? Obviously a bot, but to what end?

hcorGJ 7y ago

I've waited a LOOONG time for Arma. (I'm black your all white and blues).

hcorGJ 7y ago

Stinkfist/Goldeneye was here. D-)

Johnny555 7y ago

If they really want to be trusted as a source of truth, they need to find a way to publish cryptographic signatures of every page that can be validated to prove that the page was captured when they say it was. Maybe some sort of blockchain. Otherwise there's no reason to trust that an Internet Archive snapshot is an accurate representation of the archived page.

seppin 7y ago
> Maybe some sort of blockchain. Or you know, any other kind of secure database.
- Johnny555 7y ago
  Just curious, what kind of secure database lets anyone independently verify the integrity without needing to trust the entity that hosts the database? I can envision a chain of signatures that lets anyone validate a complete chain of website versions, but am not familiar with a database that allows the same.
philips 7y ago
I think a transparency log of all URLs that they put into the archive would be a good step. This at least guarantees that a URL isn't modified after getting into the archive. Some prior art: https://blog.golang.org/module-mirror-launch https://blog.golang.org/module-mirror-launch https://www.certificate-transparency.org/what-is-ct https://www.certificate-transparency.org/what-is-ct https://merklecounty.substack.com/p/rget-a-secure-download-user-story https://merklecounty.substack.com/p/rget-a-secure-download-u...
dredmorbius 7y ago
I think that's included in the WARC format. OK: it's an optional field, "checksum", but not a formal has. As of v. 0.9: http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/warc_file_format-0.9.html http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/warc_file_format-... I haven't checked the drafts specs for further progress, but that's here: http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/ http://archive-access.sourceforge.net/warc/ IA are instrumental in developing WARC, use it as their archival format (non-WARC web archives are ... generally not acceptable), and it's been adopted by US Library of Congress and other institutions as a standard.

beeschlenker 7y ago

This is not misinformation: Pres. Trump backs int'l Soros child rape ring for $4billion bribe Pelosi rec'd $3b 'to ensure safe passage over border'. Rapists include Obama, Schumer, Cuomo, Buttgieg, DeBlasio, Dorsey, Theil, BMurray. 60+ deaths from rapes in BuffaloNY\Jan2019, $15+billion in payoffs. Listen to them do it here: Listen to previously unprocessed footage now available [Soros, 0bama child rapes on 15Jan 4-6am\], Obama around 5:24AM: "Why is there so much blood? Someone get me something to clean the blood off my dick...." \\The footage gets censored in L\A, NYC, CHI, SF, BOS, DC...why are these wealthy high profile child rapists, who are caught in the act, able to remain free with no action by the FBI?? • note: {} groups of links are multiple ways to get the same file:. 15JanCh3_347-528.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8YeDzghf95FQrxBaMpXK4b-SfJYERs8/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8YeDzghf95FQrxBaMpXK4b-SfJ... https://mega.nz/#!bTQwDQDA!jolSOqGR2Zomhtn7zIG0lGmqXSqe3KG1mO_7nKLrqNo https://mega.nz/#!bTQwDQDA!jolSOqGR2Zomhtn7zIG0lGmqXSqe3KG1m... 15JanCh3_528\-545.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavyRFWTRv4_teHYewpQMwMCq6LDzb6Y/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavyRFWTRv4_teHYewpQMwMCq6L... https://mega.nz/#!DfBywKKR!llMUzB8DLM2Rcvm0QkOKdiE3PpCY5YeR3yJwrm9R_4U https://mega.nz/#!DfBywKKR!llMUzB8DLM2Rcvm0QkOKdiE3PpCY5YeR3... \\15JanCh4_400-600avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavnBCyhq_JRmST2QH5qlojUE6dr5IWS/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DavnBCyhq_JRmST2QH5qlojUE6d... https://mega.nz/#!faZggSja!yF_QOcodvYXwk7qEO1N8eSaV90ZWUUaS18Surn8rnEU https://mega.nz/#!faZggSja!yF_QOcodvYXwk7qEO1N8eSaV90ZWUUaS1... See pages 18->23,8,11,12,35,45,61,62, and update list at end of doc\. Having trouble getting traction. Getting censored\banned. Billions in bribes paid to Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, Harris to enable a Soros funded child raping ring to operate in the USA. Please listen to the links below. Turn up the volume and put headphones on. You will hear these people and many other high profile people, incriminate themselves in unbelievable fashion. Full 83 page document [update 9Sep\] filled with red handed evidence like this at the bottom. Go to pages 18 --> 36 of this document and you will hear Doursey and Theil raping children. You will hear their crying and screams. They both rape and kill three boys. Also at the "rape party" of note\: Bill DeBlasio, Andrew Cuomo, Bill Murray, Peter Buttgeig, George Soros, Barack Obama. Please copy and paste this post and repost it, or save it in a text file for later because it will likely get removed sooner or later. I keep getting censored by these people. • Bill De\Blasio's turn starts at 21:00. He kills five boys (pg 35): https://mega.nz/#!OCJwQSBC!AlER6vRRTKS8yvSxnVwAl3ha3kGDLqoouQe53zkGARg https://mega.nz/#!OCJwQSBC!AlER6vRRTKS8yvSxnVwAl3ha3kGDLqoou... • Andrew Coumo\'s starts at 22:00. He kills four boys. (pgs 35-36\): https://mega.nz/#!qKZChABY!zy-2jIHqEg4gWHNbiEym-YBdSs5Y9qzT2ARieV_eozA https://mega.nz/#!qKZChABY!zy-2jIHqEg4gWHNbiEym-YBdSs5Y9qzT2... • \Both files in one here: 14JanCh3_2100-2300\.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yolCgVtY5b8d8YDcshwb-Yd3kS0Jg-Bk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yolCgVtY5b8d8YDcshwb-Yd3kS0... \\Peter Theil starts at 1:00am, Jack Dorsey at 1:30am each raping and killing three boys. Turn the volume all the way up and put head phones on\. Pages 19\20.. https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_100-200.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_1... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzZrjobxhNIEf38M3xk-IeA5SeF4aUtB/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mzZrjobxhNIEf38M3xk-IeA5SeF... https://mega.nz/#!qHhRiKLI!Tl1AnP0Lq6GIBH2MGitYNuXoe81uYeVQdxwSaZ8CY7o https://mega.nz/#!qHhRiKLI!Tl1AnP0Lq6GIBH2MGitYNuXoe81uYeVQd... \\Obama admits to raping and killing boys here at about 5:47Am w\ commentary from Peter Theil, George Soros, Matt Porter:. https://s3.wasabisys.com/out2/Out2/15JanCh3_0545.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/out2/Out2/15JanCh3_0545.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCDoc1kT7cfSeKQ1vniP_sx32_bRsHau/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LCDoc1kT7cfSeKQ1vniP_sx32_b... https://mega.nz/#!veBk1KrL!zkO_keTyZAtNoTGEGsfRmXyuVIj9p8c3R8GtY-o_Nt8 https://mega.nz/#!veBk1KrL!zkO_keTyZAtNoTGEGsfRmXyuVIj9p8c3R... \\DTrump demands $4 billion to "take a blind eye" at 1015+\. Here is pieces of dialogue: 1018 Henry Porter: The child raping. 1018 Donald Trump: What the fuck are you talking about 1018 Gigi Hadid: Mr President we are child rapists. 1018 Donald Trump: You cannot be serious. 1019 Donald Trump: Youre gonna need $4 billion for me to take a blind eye. 1019 Porter: People are laughing because they think four billion is too much. I think it's not a problem when you have $35 billion. 1022 Donald Trump: You better have that $4 billion or you can kiss this shit goodbye. https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv2/3Jan/3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv2/3Jan/3JanCh3_900-1100.avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77YG0Vr/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77... https://mega.nz/#!TKgxzS5J!i-nWn3HaOAJPU7rju83B4qcwSzun4Dl2B29FEZxtMSU https://mega.nz/#!TKgxzS5J!i-nWn3HaOAJPU7rju83B4qcwSzun4Dl2B... Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi agreeing to $3 billion for safe passage at Monterrey (page 11)\: 1033 Nancy Pelosi: We want to make sure you have safe passage at Monterrey. 1033 Matthew Porter: We appreciate that Speaker Pelosi. 1033 Gigi Hadid: I think we may have to scale back a little bit though. 1033 Nancy Pelosi: Gigi I think we will be just fine. 1035 Nancy Pelosi: God damn it\! I want Kamala to get a billion out of yours, not out of mine 1035 Gigi Hadid: I think we can accommodate you but we need to find out if Monterrey will be open on the 30th of January. 1036 Nancy Pelosi: Of course it will Gigi 1036 Nancy Pelosi: $3 billion goes a long way Peter [Theil\]. \\17JanCh3_949-1100avi https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1CZUvmE/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C... https://mega.nz/#!uXJUTYrI!-6eJXCWHSKhbHRv5p3df1a9k2-hHr9bxd5bkjxvgguY https://mega.nz/#!uXJUTYrI!-6eJXCWHSKhbHRv5p3df1a9k2-hHr9bxd... \\Trump wants $138 million to ensure smooth outcome for false judgement, as in no trial or hearing, simply entering in a judgement into the system thus bypassing the fifth amendment right of due process\: https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/10JanCh3/10JanCh3_951-1033.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/10JanCh3/10JanCh3_951-1033.av... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30mlw9INp/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iSeGHDToFRoRdIht50Wii0i30ml... https://mega.nz/#!jSwzFYLY!RFQvL8KIyFZf1WfC6tGoPFgJ4aREeGE_pe3i2fwshy8 https://mega.nz/#!jSwzFYLY!RFQvL8KIyFZf1WfC6tGoPFgJ4aREeGE_p... Obama explains the Illuminati with Jack Doursey..At 2:30 a conversation is occurring on the embedded Porter camera system with Jack Dorsey, Peter Theil, Barack 0bama, Bill Murray, and the Porters. Jack Dorsey provides a statement defining who their group is: "The Illuminati is an underground organization of child rapists and homosexuals." Matthew Portr: "We have to thin the herd, so Barack is going to explain a few things." At 2:32 Barack 0bama says the following: "You people have to realize we are child rapists. The Illuminati are chil.d rapists. As soon as you figure that out, you can decide what to do. Everybody is freaking out about what just happened [child raping event still going on\]. This is who we are\": https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_200-347.avi https://s3.wasabisys.com/conv1/Overnight_14-17Jan/15JanCh3_2... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ok1-9IvANULzKBOwADFgaiYCFi6yszfj/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ok1-9IvANULzKBOwADFgaiYCFi6... https://mega.nz/#!nbhTwALA!qmf_0Lq0jApSwxRj1KRS_Q7QYbg4aJc4JMU9rDjR_yo https://mega.nz/#!nbhTwALA!qmf_0Lq0jApSwxRj1KRS_Q7QYbg4aJc4J... Full 83 page document [update 9Sep]: Three ways to get it: https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul20... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJc9cGk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sj9EN_pHmicKS6rFQlmk67knMdJ... https://mega.nz/#!OKYwES6A!zPGcRSg5de1XALI3FtUH3FCNCuLUzQbZN0l5iNCQqmU https://mega.nz/#!OKYwES6A!zPGcRSg5de1XALI3FtUH3FCNCuLUzQbZN... \\Please post this anywhere you can\! Each Google drive and Mega.nz link is a backup to the Wasebi link just in case one is "down". Getting blocked, censored, 'down\voted' etc. These people are extremely wealthy and throw money to anyone who will help them cover up their child rapes &murders, corruption. Ironically\, this is usually done through a receivership transfer where you receive the funds after for or more day, and it can be pulled at the last second, which is usually the case after you've done them the "service" as they call it. A word about the "f@\#&ot" usage: it was a necessary tool. It showed three things: they were not in control, if they were the usage would have been stopped. Everyone out there needed to see this. Two, it made it unpleasant for them to be in the head space, which has obvious advantages. Three it pointed out impersonators of B\S. because they would not call each other f@\%ot, thus helping to mitigate the spread of false information. Apologies for those unintentionally offended. On that note I give you Barack 0bama in a foursome with Peter Thiel, Jack Dorsey, and Matthew Porter. It is on page 12 of the document where you can download the video containing audio footage of the "event". Link for the doc is just above under "Full 83 page document".

rc_kas 7y ago

I gotta donate to them again, I always forgot about them, but those fuckers are hero's.

ravenstine 7y ago

Archiving the web is a fine thing on its own, but why must everything become a "war" against misinformation, fake news, etc.? It can simply be a side benefit to having the Internet Archive. But I'm wary of anyone who claims to be trying to combat misinformation, because usually there's a political agenda. (and I don't care whose agenda it is, but by all means, downvote me...) I don't want the Internet Archive to be around for the sake of keeping tabs on Trump or pointing out fake news. Just archive web content. The end, please.

devmunchies 7y ago
agree. the unix philosophy. This service only archives the web. To know whether the content is true, see: <other service>

devmunchies 7y ago

>But Mr Graham argued that simply removing false information or offensive content isn’t necessarily the answer. Hateful material need not remain publicly available, he said, but certain researchers and politicians should be able to study it. They're planting the seed and seeing how the public reacts. This is ridiculous! Mark something "controversial", "possibly fake", but don't memory-hole us. An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding.

emilfihlman 7y ago
>An archive only archiving history they agree with is not worth the funding. 100%. It reduces the entire point to just voluntarily donating to your favourite think tank or political party, not an "archive".
- ntzm 7y ago
  I'd rather not have a manual for starting a neo-nazi race war archived to be honest
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    How about a Communist manifesto or other authoritarian literature? Why are we only really concerned about one type of authoritarian?
    - food_eater 7y ago
      It's currently in-vogue to be scared of and hate nazi's. For some reason though that sentiment never took root against communists. It's almost like that type of political ideology took root in american institutions thus paving the way for this new narrative to take hold that communism is good and facism is bad.
      - tracker1 7y ago
        And people completely forget history... there were several popular variants of totalitarian socialism in europe. Russia in particular had civil-war like conflicts between the main 3 factions (iirc, red, green, white) and facism was definitely in the mix, but after WWII fell out and for some weird reason no longer considered socialist. After WWII, there were definite anti-communist movements, though McCarthyism took things way too far. You cannot combat ideas with censorship, they'll fester.

jakeogh 7y ago

It's pretty obvious they were next on the hit list. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20623177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20623177 archive.org is a huge problem for the rewriters.

RobertRoberts 7y ago

9/11 in the Archive. Go look at all the news websites on September 10th, 2001... and back about a month or two. All empty until 9/11.

DuskStar 7y ago
Supposedly a lot of news sites were pummeled with traffic on 9/11, which prompted investment following that.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Supposedly a lot of news sites were pummeled with traffic on 9/11, I think it's pretty safe to say that new sites were pummeled with traffic on the biggest news day since the internet was widely used for news. Certainly, it's the simplest explanation for how news vs. other sites behaved on 9/11.
gojomo 7y ago
There are many similar gaps in collection in the early years of the Internet Archive. Early archive.org web captures came overwhelmingly from crawls by the company Alexa Internet (which started in 1995 but by 2001 was a subsiiary of Amazon). Alexa's original bulk web crawling was intermittent: restarted once every couple of months, without much focus on rapid re-crawls of news sites. You can also see seasonal patterns, with larger lulls in summers. The events of 2001-09-11 prompted a bunch of fresh, faster crawls – and higher prioritization of news website re-crawls.
abacadaba 7y ago
Na I remember pretty well, there was literally nothing in the news for months before that, top story was shark attacks or something.
- BeetleB 7y ago
  The Witchhunt of Gary Condit, if you really don't remember. My roommate would get upset every time they brought him up on the news - he was sick of hearing about him (never any actual findings or updates - just more and more speculation). I remember a few days after Sept 11, I suggested my friend call the news channels and demand to hear an update on Gary Condit.

dredmorbius 7y ago

OT: the FT's paywall appears to have opened up, apparently in general, not just for HN referrers. I'd previously been using the archive.is / archive.fo workaround. The FT is among the very highest-quality mainstream/establishment news publications, and is well worth the subscription, if you can afford it. It will reward your attention even if not. Update: this is a one-day promo: https://4estate.media/@aendrew/102814393931699671 https://4estate.media/@aendrew/102814393931699671

3xblah 7y ago

"Mr Graham said he was an "optimist", but conceded that the archive had not yet saved as much as he would like. Take YouTube, for example: the team is only archiving a "small fraction" of all the videos published each week." Is it true one can nudge the IA crawlers to archive a page that would otherwise be ignored? https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-something/ https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-somet... Is this as simple as sending a GET request, something like: curl -O /dev/null https://web.archive.org/web/save/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oBh6Ng8bI4^1 1 Are web developers the only ones who use "Overrides" in Chrome DevTools? For example, could users replace external resources such as tracking pixels or JS/CSS that obscures text with their own resource files?

crisnoble 7y ago
If you put that link as a link in your video description, google crawlers might follow the link, thus triggering the GET request the same as curl.

brewsterkahle1 7y ago

Full copy of the article: https://archive.org/details/howtheinternetarchiveiswagingwaronmisinformation https://archive.org/details/howtheinternetarchiveiswagingwar...

rkagerer 7y ago

Thank you for using the word "misinformation" instead of Fake News.

jakeogh 7y ago

Meta: Are we going to click these cookie notifications until the end of time? I have JS off, so usually I dont see them... /thanks EU

scoutt 7y ago

I'm am glad the Archive exists and also a frequent user. The only thing that gets me thinking is that at some point in the future, they will own the past. That is, if it wasn't in the archive then it didn't happened (in what content-in-a-webpage regards). And by owning the past they would be able to manipulate it (probably). One can say the same thing about Wikipedia, but there are other encyclopedias that can be used to check a certain fact. Do we need an archive of the Internet Archive?

siliconunit 7y ago

I find this kind of news deeply worrying...critical thinking should be applied to everything, and purging an archive of some of its controversial stuff (albeit a common practice in real ones too as pointed out) is a terrifying perspective, what's the next subject, where do you stop, is the internet to become a 'validated safe space'? A chilling perspective. If you cannot handle discussion about absolutely anything without being afraid or influenced something is deeply wrong in the way you have been educated.

ash 7y ago

> Around the sides of the room [in Internet Archive headquarters] stand around 130 3ft porcelain figurines — replicas of every employee who has spent at least three years at the archive. Wow. That's a lot of figurines.

jimmays 7y ago

With GDPR and all it's impossible not to provide an opt-out of some kind in this day and age.