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Huge study finds drugs stop HIV transmission

339 points by ahakki 7y ago

torstenvl 7y ago
Through the '90s and even into the very early 21st century, doctors would hold off before starting antiretrovirals. After acute HIV infection (which often causes flu-like symptoms, known as sero-conversion sickness), the body naturally suppresses the HIV infection to manageable levels. So the standard advice was not to medicate yet. Of course, that meant that most HIV-infected individuals were still contagious. Their viral levels were low, but they weren't so low as to prevent transmission. Combined with a social stigma that kept people from getting tested, this medical treatment philosophy is a major part of why HIV became as prevalent as it did. I understand why - early drugs like AZT were even harder on the patient's liver than modern drugs. But at best that seems myopic; at worst, it was negligent from a public health perspective. It is probably a bad thing that, at least in the U.S., we separate the medical field from the public health field so arbitrarily. Maybe -- hopefully -- this development in HIV treatment and the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections will make us rethink this dichotomy.
- fucking_tragedy 7y ago
  > I understand why - early drugs like AZT were even harder on the patient's liver than modern drugs. But at best that seems myopic; at worst, it was negligent from a public health perspective. Today we have drugs that prevent the initial infection of HIV, they're dubbed pre-exposure prophylaxis drugs. The only drug approved for this use in the US is a formulation called Truvada. It can cause bone and kidney damage, and is contraindicated in patients with renal impairment. Gilead, the drug's manufacturer, has risen the price of the drug from $6 to $1600 a month. Other formulations, such as Descovy, have less of an impact on the renal system. Gilead has been sued for allegedly withholding the drug in order to time its introduction with the expiration of Truvada's patent in 2021[1]. Truvada's pricing, side-effects, and contraindications keep it from reaching many of those who are at risk of becoming infected with and transmitting HIV. Alleged patent timing is preventing the release of safer drugs that are just as effective. While we've come very far, we still haven't escaped negligence from a public health perspective. [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mass-tort-alleges-gilead-sciences-inc-withheld-safer-drugs-from-hivaids-patients-manipulated-patent-timing-for-profit-announces-jenner-law-2019-04-19 https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mass-tort-alleges-...
  - adventured 7y ago
    > Gilead, the drug's manufacturer, has risen the price of the drug from $6 to $1600 a month. Your premise is correct, that the elevated price is harming the cause of fighting HIV. Your cost figures are incorrect however. In Canada, even their health system has approved generic Truvada at wholesale for $400 per month (Truvada is twice that in Canada). Your $6 figure is plain wrong. That's the lowest wholesale cost anywhere in the developed world at any point in the drug's history. That's not the cost that it started out at in the US. It was about $1,150 (average reimbursement rate) in 2009. Truvada brought in $567 million in sales in just 2005 alone, they didn't accomplish that at $6 per month in the US. Gilead further increased the wholesale price by 45% over six years, from 2012 to 2018.
  - MrEldritch 7y ago
    By "alleged patent timing", do you mean the patents are only alleged, or that the expiration dates of those patents are only alleged? Because either one of those statements is ... confusing to me.
    - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
      If you read the citation I gave in the OP, Gilead is alleged to have withheld the introduction of Descovy for PrEP until their patent on Truvada expires.
joshlittle 7y ago
U=U is fantastic science; though it hasn’t been enough to totally remove the stigma of HIV, even in San Francisco. I believe it comes from not enough dissemination of information regarding the nonexistent risk of contracting HIV from an undetectable partner. I’m also concerned that by focusing on HIV as a manageable, chronic condition - we discount the need for a cure. A dystopian future possibility that’s come through my head is the cure is a century away despite progress, and U=U doesn’t do enough to remove the stigma faced today regardless how much the public is informed of the science. I believe that a cure is required to truly remove the stigma of HIV. I can scream “I am undetectable” from the rooftops and what that entails It’s never going to matter to the people that find creative ways to cancel plans, get out of dates, etc. when I disclose my status as HIV+ to them. I’m at least thankful for the people that tell me it makes them uncomfortable to consider kissing or any sexual contact - even with this knowledge. And even with pre exposure prophylaxis / PrEP.
- xattt 7y ago
  To be nitpicky, but if there is a vaccine in the future, antigen testing will likely show that you are HIV antibody positive.
- hughes 7y ago
  I think in addition to the stigma, there will always be a matter of trust. If someone claims to be undetectable, at what point do you believe them? Right away, no questions asked? What level of trust is required to be sure they ever were, or still are, undetectable? Has the source of their medicine changed? How secure is their access to it? Any financial stresses or other factors that would affect their medicine's availability? It's a lot to ask of someone - on both sides. How do you think someone could approach this in a way that preserves your humanity and your privacy?
  - lazzlazzlazz 7y ago
    A very similar kind of trust is required in general for any sexual contact: if someone claims to have been tested, at what point do you believe them? Has that changed? How reliable is their access to testing? Could they have contracted something recently, and it is simply incubating with no symptoms? It's not exactly the same, but it's not entirely different.
bichiliad 7y ago
It seems like a really scary gamble to have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV-positive for a research study, and I was wondering how the study found such couples. The paper mentions that they identified couples with one HIV-positive partner, and then followed up with them to see if they reported condomless sex.
- mattkrause 7y ago
  Randomizing people to have sex with an HIV+ or placebo partner would bring down the IRB's wrath quite quickly. For that reason, a lot of this stuff is done observationally, where you just track people doing whatever they were going to do anyway. The data is often not as clean as a randomized controlled trial, but it seems much more ethical. An earlier trial (HPTN 052) did actually run a RCT, but the treatment strategy was randomized, not the partner. It worked so well that the trial was actually stopped early and everyone was offered antivirals. Cohen et al. (2011) reported the results here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1105243?url_ver=Z39.88-2003 https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1105243?url_ver=Z39.8...
  - Fomite 7y ago
    You can get near to an RCT with newer trial designs like stepped-wedge designs, which are way better in terms of equipoise and nearly as efficient statistically.
    - mattkrause 7y ago
      Those are still interventional though, right? (I probably should have written observational vs. interventional instead of obs. vs RCT).
      - Fomite 7y ago
        Yep. The stepped-wedge design, for example, is one where everyone will get the intervention, but the time in which they get it is randomized.
- 7y ago
gravypod 7y ago
Another amazing advancement that I didn't know much about until hearing of from a friend are PrEP treatments. In terms that I understand it's a class of drugs that can be used as a treatment for HIV that is prescribed to someone who have not contracted HIV. By taking the drug you lower your chance of contracting HIV on exposure. "Studies have shown that PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by more than 90% when used consistently. Among people who inject drugs, PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV by more than 70% when used consistently." [0] I found this site to be very interesting when reading up on the topic: https://prepfacts.org/prep/the-research/ https://prepfacts.org/prep/the-research/ [0] - "How well does PrEP work" https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html
User23 7y ago
Promiscuous people are the only vector for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. This is a problem that was solved shortly after hydroengineering. There’s a very popular book that contains a foolproof guide to avoiding this class of diseases. No disrespect intended towards those individuals who prefer to, for whatever reason, engage in manifestly high risk activities. Although I’d rather not be taxed to pay for their abject stupidity. Sadly we live in an hedonic age and you all know what that means.
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- rincebrain 7y ago
  Why should promiscuity mean that they should have to privately fund their treatment? (Not that promiscuity is the only way you can get HIV, but that's not the question I'm asking.) People have differing ideas about what acceptable and unacceptable behavior is. If we required that taxes only be collected for the set of behaviors everyone agreed on, we'd have no taxes, and no government. Even if we agreed that promiscuous people should not receive public medical treatment (which is not a position I hold), would you suggest condemning people who contracted this through no act of their own as well? Parents can give it to their children, and there are nonsexual ways you can end up with bodily fluid transmission. Assuming you're describing the book I think you are, there are a number of editions of said book in which one of the protagonists shows mercy toward the sick and ostracized people.
  - qazpot 7y ago
    > would you suggest condemning people who contracted this through no act of their own as well? No, but these cases can be identified. For ex - children or people with unfaithful spouses. A majority of HIV infections are due to unprotected sex. > there are nonsexual ways you can end up with bodily fluid transmission. Please do tell use about these nonsexual ways. Cause I was under impression that normal contact during daily life carries no risk.
    - 7y ago
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eecc 7y ago
The HIV plague is wiping out the productive age group in Africa. I sympathize for western patients and am glad the condition is treatable for them... but we really should figure out how to deploy treatments to African residents, implementing the logistics, delivering the education, removing the graft and corruption that keeps killing hundreds of thousands.
- krageon 7y ago
  We can do both. There is absolutely no reason why a breakthrough has to be suffixed with "well that's great, but it would be much greater to look at this demographic!". These are all people, and they all deserve treatment equally.
  - neuronic 7y ago
    You are right. So we must look at why this isn't happening. From a moral perspective it should. Resources and capability are available but the ones at the steering wheel are not willing to allow them to be used. Otherwise it would be done, right? Does anyone have any explanation for this? How popular would this action be with the people of North America/Europe/Asia? Would it even make a dent in terms of budget when compared to typical foreign aid payments for example? The Chinese are heavily investing in Africa to gain influence and resources, the Europeans ship off billions of Euros in goods and cash for aid, the US is also buying influence with aid all over Africa. Is it simply not paying off? There is no short term political or economic benefit here? Is that it?
    - cblades 7y ago
      >Resources and capability are available I think that's something you have to support. Certainly it is possible, but what else are you putting off or de-prioritizing to do it? I certainly agree that we should aim to make the most impactful improvements in the most people's lives, I just don't quite know how a global society or even individual countries go about a reasonable prioritization process.
  - burnte 7y ago
jl6 7y ago
Just thinking theoretically... if 100% of HIV positive individuals became untransmitters, would HIV die out with that generation?
- orcasauce 7y ago
  Consider what we did to smallpox. It's gone, but not really.
  - boyband6666 7y ago
    Also the headline is massively misleading - almost immediately they point out that many people don't know their status.
thefounder 7y ago
What "fully suppressed" means and for how long? I don't think many would risk if were told their (potential)partner was tested at the beginning of the month and the virus seamed "fully suppressed". Why take the risk?
- goldenkey 7y ago
  Love is a powerful thing.
- mdhen 7y ago
  It means undetectable, so the hiv rna test has a lower limit. Say 12 copies per ml. Undetectable means it is below the level. You'd normally want to be UD for 3 months before engaging in unprotected sex with your informed partner.
sAbakumoff 7y ago
in mice? https://twitter.com/justsaysinmice https://twitter.com/justsaysinmice
Circuits 7y ago
Wait a second, so 15 men who were participating in an HIV study with their partners managed to contract HIV from someone else, during the study, who wasn't their partner??? ?
- mikelyons 7y ago
  What about that is "?" x4 surprising to you?
- mdhen 7y ago
  It's very easy to see if they got infected by their partner. Their hiv resistance tests, which everyone does prior to starting treatment, will match. Not sure if that's the part you're having a hard time with or not.
MrEldritch 7y ago
No, you dumbass, in people. Jesus Christ, read the article before firing off a snarky comment.
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339 points by ahakki 7y ago

Through the '90s and even into the very early 21st century, doctors would hold off before starting antiretrovirals. After acute HIV infection (which often causes flu-like symptoms, known as sero-conversion sickness), the body naturally suppresses the HIV infection to manageable levels. So the standard advice was not to medicate yet. Of course, that meant that most HIV-infected individuals were still contagious. Their viral levels were low, but they weren't so low as to prevent transmission. Combined with a social stigma that kept people from getting tested, this medical treatment philosophy is a major part of why HIV became as prevalent as it did. I understand why - early drugs like AZT were even harder on the patient's liver than modern drugs. But at best that seems myopic; at worst, it was negligent from a public health perspective. It is probably a bad thing that, at least in the U.S., we separate the medical field from the public health field so arbitrarily. Maybe -- hopefully -- this development in HIV treatment and the evolution of antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections will make us rethink this dichotomy.

fucking_tragedy 7y ago
> I understand why - early drugs like AZT were even harder on the patient's liver than modern drugs. But at best that seems myopic; at worst, it was negligent from a public health perspective. Today we have drugs that prevent the initial infection of HIV, they're dubbed pre-exposure prophylaxis drugs. The only drug approved for this use in the US is a formulation called Truvada. It can cause bone and kidney damage, and is contraindicated in patients with renal impairment. Gilead, the drug's manufacturer, has risen the price of the drug from $6 to $1600 a month. Other formulations, such as Descovy, have less of an impact on the renal system. Gilead has been sued for allegedly withholding the drug in order to time its introduction with the expiration of Truvada's patent in 2021[1]. Truvada's pricing, side-effects, and contraindications keep it from reaching many of those who are at risk of becoming infected with and transmitting HIV. Alleged patent timing is preventing the release of safer drugs that are just as effective. While we've come very far, we still haven't escaped negligence from a public health perspective. [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mass-tort-alleges-gilead-sciences-inc-withheld-safer-drugs-from-hivaids-patients-manipulated-patent-timing-for-profit-announces-jenner-law-2019-04-19 https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mass-tort-alleges-...
- adventured 7y ago
  > Gilead, the drug's manufacturer, has risen the price of the drug from $6 to $1600 a month. Your premise is correct, that the elevated price is harming the cause of fighting HIV. Your cost figures are incorrect however. In Canada, even their health system has approved generic Truvada at wholesale for $400 per month (Truvada is twice that in Canada). Your $6 figure is plain wrong. That's the lowest wholesale cost anywhere in the developed world at any point in the drug's history. That's not the cost that it started out at in the US. It was about $1,150 (average reimbursement rate) in 2009. Truvada brought in $567 million in sales in just 2005 alone, they didn't accomplish that at $6 per month in the US. Gilead further increased the wholesale price by 45% over six years, from 2012 to 2018.
- MrEldritch 7y ago
  By "alleged patent timing", do you mean the patents are only alleged, or that the expiration dates of those patents are only alleged? Because either one of those statements is ... confusing to me.
  - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
    If you read the citation I gave in the OP, Gilead is alleged to have withheld the introduction of Descovy for PrEP until their patent on Truvada expires.

joshlittle 7y ago

U=U is fantastic science; though it hasn’t been enough to totally remove the stigma of HIV, even in San Francisco. I believe it comes from not enough dissemination of information regarding the nonexistent risk of contracting HIV from an undetectable partner. I’m also concerned that by focusing on HIV as a manageable, chronic condition - we discount the need for a cure. A dystopian future possibility that’s come through my head is the cure is a century away despite progress, and U=U doesn’t do enough to remove the stigma faced today regardless how much the public is informed of the science. I believe that a cure is required to truly remove the stigma of HIV. I can scream “I am undetectable” from the rooftops and what that entails It’s never going to matter to the people that find creative ways to cancel plans, get out of dates, etc. when I disclose my status as HIV+ to them. I’m at least thankful for the people that tell me it makes them uncomfortable to consider kissing or any sexual contact - even with this knowledge. And even with pre exposure prophylaxis / PrEP.

xattt 7y ago
To be nitpicky, but if there is a vaccine in the future, antigen testing will likely show that you are HIV antibody positive.
hughes 7y ago
I think in addition to the stigma, there will always be a matter of trust. If someone claims to be undetectable, at what point do you believe them? Right away, no questions asked? What level of trust is required to be sure they ever were, or still are, undetectable? Has the source of their medicine changed? How secure is their access to it? Any financial stresses or other factors that would affect their medicine's availability? It's a lot to ask of someone - on both sides. How do you think someone could approach this in a way that preserves your humanity and your privacy?
- lazzlazzlazz 7y ago
  A very similar kind of trust is required in general for any sexual contact: if someone claims to have been tested, at what point do you believe them? Has that changed? How reliable is their access to testing? Could they have contracted something recently, and it is simply incubating with no symptoms? It's not exactly the same, but it's not entirely different.

bichiliad 7y ago

It seems like a really scary gamble to have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV-positive for a research study, and I was wondering how the study found such couples. The paper mentions that they identified couples with one HIV-positive partner, and then followed up with them to see if they reported condomless sex.

mattkrause 7y ago
Randomizing people to have sex with an HIV+ or placebo partner would bring down the IRB's wrath quite quickly. For that reason, a lot of this stuff is done observationally, where you just track people doing whatever they were going to do anyway. The data is often not as clean as a randomized controlled trial, but it seems much more ethical. An earlier trial (HPTN 052) did actually run a RCT, but the treatment strategy was randomized, not the partner. It worked so well that the trial was actually stopped early and everyone was offered antivirals. Cohen et al. (2011) reported the results here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1105243?url_ver=Z39.88-2003 https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1105243?url_ver=Z39.8...
- Fomite 7y ago
  You can get near to an RCT with newer trial designs like stepped-wedge designs, which are way better in terms of equipoise and nearly as efficient statistically.
  - mattkrause 7y ago
    Those are still interventional though, right? (I probably should have written observational vs. interventional instead of obs. vs RCT).
    - Fomite 7y ago
      Yep. The stepped-wedge design, for example, is one where everyone will get the intervention, but the time in which they get it is randomized.
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gravypod 7y ago

Another amazing advancement that I didn't know much about until hearing of from a friend are PrEP treatments. In terms that I understand it's a class of drugs that can be used as a treatment for HIV that is prescribed to someone who have not contracted HIV. By taking the drug you lower your chance of contracting HIV on exposure. "Studies have shown that PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by more than 90% when used consistently. Among people who inject drugs, PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV by more than 70% when used consistently." [0] I found this site to be very interesting when reading up on the topic: https://prepfacts.org/prep/the-research/ https://prepfacts.org/prep/the-research/ [0] - "How well does PrEP work" https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html

User23 7y ago

Promiscuous people are the only vector for HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. This is a problem that was solved shortly after hydroengineering. There’s a very popular book that contains a foolproof guide to avoiding this class of diseases. No disrespect intended towards those individuals who prefer to, for whatever reason, engage in manifestly high risk activities. Although I’d rather not be taxed to pay for their abject stupidity. Sadly we live in an hedonic age and you all know what that means.

deleted 7y ago
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rincebrain 7y ago
Why should promiscuity mean that they should have to privately fund their treatment? (Not that promiscuity is the only way you can get HIV, but that's not the question I'm asking.) People have differing ideas about what acceptable and unacceptable behavior is. If we required that taxes only be collected for the set of behaviors everyone agreed on, we'd have no taxes, and no government. Even if we agreed that promiscuous people should not receive public medical treatment (which is not a position I hold), would you suggest condemning people who contracted this through no act of their own as well? Parents can give it to their children, and there are nonsexual ways you can end up with bodily fluid transmission. Assuming you're describing the book I think you are, there are a number of editions of said book in which one of the protagonists shows mercy toward the sick and ostracized people.
- qazpot 7y ago
  > would you suggest condemning people who contracted this through no act of their own as well? No, but these cases can be identified. For ex - children or people with unfaithful spouses. A majority of HIV infections are due to unprotected sex. > there are nonsexual ways you can end up with bodily fluid transmission. Please do tell use about these nonsexual ways. Cause I was under impression that normal contact during daily life carries no risk.
  - 7y ago

sara1732 7y ago

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eecc 7y ago

The HIV plague is wiping out the productive age group in Africa. I sympathize for western patients and am glad the condition is treatable for them... but we really should figure out how to deploy treatments to African residents, implementing the logistics, delivering the education, removing the graft and corruption that keeps killing hundreds of thousands.

krageon 7y ago
We can do both. There is absolutely no reason why a breakthrough has to be suffixed with "well that's great, but it would be much greater to look at this demographic!". These are all people, and they all deserve treatment equally.
- neuronic 7y ago
  You are right. So we must look at why this isn't happening. From a moral perspective it should. Resources and capability are available but the ones at the steering wheel are not willing to allow them to be used. Otherwise it would be done, right? Does anyone have any explanation for this? How popular would this action be with the people of North America/Europe/Asia? Would it even make a dent in terms of budget when compared to typical foreign aid payments for example? The Chinese are heavily investing in Africa to gain influence and resources, the Europeans ship off billions of Euros in goods and cash for aid, the US is also buying influence with aid all over Africa. Is it simply not paying off? There is no short term political or economic benefit here? Is that it?
  - cblades 7y ago
    >Resources and capability are available I think that's something you have to support. Certainly it is possible, but what else are you putting off or de-prioritizing to do it? I certainly agree that we should aim to make the most impactful improvements in the most people's lives, I just don't quite know how a global society or even individual countries go about a reasonable prioritization process.
- burnte 7y ago

jl6 7y ago

Just thinking theoretically... if 100% of HIV positive individuals became untransmitters, would HIV die out with that generation?

orcasauce 7y ago
Consider what we did to smallpox. It's gone, but not really.
- boyband6666 7y ago
  Also the headline is massively misleading - almost immediately they point out that many people don't know their status.

thefounder 7y ago

What "fully suppressed" means and for how long? I don't think many would risk if were told their (potential)partner was tested at the beginning of the month and the virus seamed "fully suppressed". Why take the risk?

goldenkey 7y ago
Love is a powerful thing.
mdhen 7y ago
It means undetectable, so the hiv rna test has a lower limit. Say 12 copies per ml. Undetectable means it is below the level. You'd normally want to be UD for 3 months before engaging in unprotected sex with your informed partner.

sAbakumoff 7y ago

in mice? https://twitter.com/justsaysinmice https://twitter.com/justsaysinmice

Circuits 7y ago

Wait a second, so 15 men who were participating in an HIV study with their partners managed to contract HIV from someone else, during the study, who wasn't their partner??? ?

mikelyons 7y ago
What about that is "?" x4 surprising to you?
mdhen 7y ago
It's very easy to see if they got infected by their partner. Their hiv resistance tests, which everyone does prior to starting treatment, will match. Not sure if that's the part you're having a hard time with or not.

MrEldritch 7y ago

No, you dumbass, in people. Jesus Christ, read the article before firing off a snarky comment.

RockyHill 7y ago

God bless Doctor Arthur moon for helping me cure my herpes disease. Brethren, i have suffered herpes for a long period of time, i have tried so many remedy, but known seems to work. But i had contact with a herbal doctor who i saw so many people testifying on how they were all cured of their various disease and viruses by this doctor. So i explained my entire problem to him, and he promised to cure me. So i gave him all benefit of doubt, and behold he prepared the herbal mixture, and send it to me in my country. Today, i am proud to say i am herpes free, and my life has been restored to normal. So in case you are out there suffering from herpes and other diseases or virus, i want to tell you to quickly contact: Arthur moon for your cure. His email is arthurmoon01@gmail.com

james321 7y ago

Am really grateful and thankful for what Dr BALOGUN has done for me and my family. I Was having HERPES for good three years with no solution, the diseases almost took my life and because I was unable to work and I was also loosing lots of money for medication, but one faithful day when I went online, I met lots of testimonies about this great man so I decided to give it a try and to God be the glory he did it. he cured me of my diseases and am so happy and so pleased to Write about him today. if you need his help or you also want to get cured just the way I got mine, just email him below Drbalogunherbalhome@gmail.com or Whatsapp ;+2347018587126 and get your healing. He has cure for other deadly diseases like Diabetes, Hiv/Aids, Hepatitis of all types and Cancer .

donnalisa101 7y ago

Natural Herbs have cured so many sickness and diseases that drugs and injection cant cure. I've seen the great importance of natural herbs and the wonderful work they have done in people's lives. i read people's testimonies online on how they were cured of Herpes, HIV, Diabetics etc by Dr LAMATU herbal medicine, so i decided to contact the doctor because i know nature has the power to heal anything. I was diagnosed with Herpes for the past 8 years but Dr LAMATU cured me with his herbs and i referred my aunt and her husband to him immediately because they were both suffering from HIV and they were cured too. I know is hard to believe, but am a living testimony. There is no harm trying herbs. He is also a spell caster, he cast spells to restore broken marriages and a good luck spells to prosper and excel in life. You can Contact him on ( drlamatu@gmail.com ) or WhatsApp him via +14158551136

james3210 7y ago

magdalene 7y ago

I'm here to testify about the great work Dr OGIDIGAN did for me. I have been suffering from Herpes virus for the past 5 years and had constant pain, especially in my vigina. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This virus started circulating all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came across a testimony of one lady on the internet testifying about a Man called Dr OGIDIGAN on how he cured her from Herpes type 1 and 2 virus. And she also gave the email address of this man and advise anybody to contact him for help for any kind of sickness that he would be of help, so I emailed him telling him about my Herpes virus he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! Well i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as Dr sunshine assured me that i will be cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can contact Dr OGIDIGAN via email: ogidiganherbalhome@gmail.com . You can also call his telephone number OR WHATSAPP +2349023679965. Thanks once again

RockyHill 7y ago

" I am here to express my profound warm gratitude to the Arthur Moon medicine, which i got from Dr Arthur Moon. I am now leaving a healthy life since the past 4 month i am now herpes disease free after the application and usage. You can contact for your medication from via Email: arthurmoon01@gmail.com Wish you all the best and a happy healing. Thanks and God Bless you for your help, i will keep on help you to fight herpes disease in the World. Sincerely Brown Kyanne Michelle Chicago