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Tesla Adds Larry Ellison and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as Board Directors
- warmfuzzykitten 8y agoSince Elon the Magnificent clearly doesn't care what the Board says, one can only wonder why Ellison signed on for this ride.
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- Waterluvian 8y ago3 million shares. Am I doing the math wrong or is that somewhere in the ball park of 500M to 1B depending on when they were purchased? That's quite a display of confidence.
- PopeDotNinja 8y agoYup, it's a billion-ish USD at today's price of about $332/share. That's about 3% of Larry's reported net worth.
- Waterluvian 8y agoGeez. Okay I didn't realise he was hyper rich. Well, I'm delighted for anyone to want to support electric cars.
- warent 8y agoIt's hard to think about the wealth of extremely wealthy people intuitively. Just for added perspective, he bought an entire Hawai'ian island called Lanai.
- erikpukinskis 8y agoHe bought 97% of the property on the island. He does not own the island or control it politically. Essentially, he bought a pineapple farm that happens to cover most of the island.
- njarboe 8y agoAnd Lanai is not just some some little place (140sq mi). It is about 1/4 the size of Oahu or Kauai [1]. 3% of the island is still own by other people/entities. [1]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lanai/@20.7523285,-158.3241197,8z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x795536d9a3986425:0xf609afa076d8b8b5!8m2!3d20.8165975!4d-156.9273193 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lanai/@20.7523285,-158.324...
- MPSimmons 8y agoThe man literally owns a volcano lair. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/14/see-lanai-the-hawaiian-island-larry-ellison-bought-for-300-million.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/14/see-lanai-the-hawaiian-islan...
- txcwpalpha 8y agoHe's the #10 richest person in the world!
- ilrwbwrkhv 8y agonot counting hidden oil riches or russian oligarch riches
- theptip 8y agoFYI Larry Ellison engages in high profile conspicuous consumption... He has a ridiculous $150m yacht, and a Hawaiian island, among other assets. https://www.superyachtfan.com/larry_ellison.html https://www.superyachtfan.com/larry_ellison.html
- anoncoward111 8y agoProprietary presidents protect their paired patronage
- chmaynard 8y agoTry saying that 10 times quickly.
- tsomctl 8y ago"As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle. And I gotta say, as someone who has seen that complexity for my entire life, it's very hard to get used to that idea. It's like, 'surely this is more complicated!' but it's like: Wow, this is really simple! This company is very straightforward, in its defense. This company is about one man, his alter-ego, and what he wants to inflict upon humanity -- that's it! ...Ship mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money. Yeah... you talk to Oracle, it's like, 'no, we don't fucking make dreams happen -- we make money!' ...You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle." -- Bryan Cantrill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
- gtirloni 8y agoYes, Oracle is bad. No, I don't love or even like them. But quoting Bryan's dramatic speeches every time Oracle or Ellison are mentioned is adding next to nothing to the discussion at this point. It's a great way to incite anger though.
- tsomctl 8y agoMy point is that this doesn't bode well for Tesla. My biggest complaint with Tesla is that they don't provide service manuals or have an open parts department for their vehicles. For comparison, pretty much every other major auto maker will sell you a book telling you how to fix anything on your vehicle, and will sell you the parts and special tools to do so. Not Tesla, and given what we know about Ellison, I very much doubt he will encourage this to happen.
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- dforrestwilson 8y agoThe same guy who encouraged Elizabeth Holmes to ignore her engineers in favor of over the top promotion. Also a board member who failed (or chose not) to detect the underlying fraud... Every time I consider closing out my Tesla short position something like this happens and I get more confident that something is awry.
- Im_Unlucky 8y agoHave opened and closed a tesla short multiple times and it only ever frustrates me more each time. I'm hoping this bear market will push it down where it should be for once and all.
- genie514 8y agoThis guy built a company that services most of the data infrastructure of the world and pumps 15 billion of cash every year- but you remember him by what advice he gave to one person ; that just seems unfair.
- enraged_camel 8y agoApplauding Oracle only makes sense if you believe ends justify the means.
- bdcravens 8y agoGiven Tesla's recent issues, it seems unfair to judge someone on financial success alone while turning a blind eye to ethics implications.
- kerng 8y agoOracle does not serve most of the data infrastructure anymore. That is a thing of the past. They are struggling terribly and it probably will get worse considering how the big 3 cloud providers move successfully forward and Oracle loses ground daily.
- drawkbox 8y agoLarry Ellison thought the cloud was a "fashion driven" software buzzword fad in 2008 [1][2], a miss as big as Ballmer with the iPhone. The cloud will ultimately probably kill off Oracle. > The Oracle chief executive told shareholders at the company's annual meeting Friday that the technology is a fad that doesn't have a clear business model, despite the fact that Google , Microsoft and practically every other tech company is singing its praises. > "I think it's ludicrous that cloud computing is taking over the world," Ellison told about 100 shareholders who attended the meeting at the software maker's headquarters. "We think it's very hard to make money in this thing." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0 [2] https://www.forbes.com/2008/10/10/ellison-cloud-computing-tech-enter-cx_wt_1010oracle.html https://www.forbes.com/2008/10/10/ellison-cloud-computing-te...
- davebryand 8y agoI'd love to hear from some Tesla employees with awakened consciousness how they feel about Ellison's involvement.
- AlexB138 8y ago> I'd love to hear from some Tesla employees with awakened consciousness how they feel about Ellison's involvement. What does "awakened consciousness" mean in this context?
- davebryand 8y agoNothing different in this context, I mean it in the universal sense: https://www.google.com/search?q=awakened+consciousness&oq=awa&aqs=chrome.2.69i60l2j69i59j69i57j69i60l2.2816j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=awakened+consciousness&oq=aw... Could also look at it as Spiral Dynamics Turquoise: https://www.google.com/search?q=spiral+dynamics+turquoise&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4h-D188LfAhWDTd8KHZHRC50Q_AUICSgA&biw=1440&bih=790&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=spiral+dynamics+turquoise&so...
- AlexB138 8y agoSorry, I guess I shouldn't have said "in this context", I'm not familiar with the term at all. I was trying to differentiate from just the literal "awake" and "conscious", as in not asleep. I assumed it was some religious term. The search results seem to indicate it's some vague mysticism not specific to any particular belief structure? Not an area I'm familiar with. Thanks for the info!
- davebryand 8y agoAll good! That's right, it's the field called "Spirituality" that many people confuse with Religion.
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- azhenley 8y agoA lot of people seem negative about this. Can someone explain why? Are there any implications I should expect (as a Tesla owner and stockholder)?
- mr_overalls 8y agoSee comment above comparing Ellison to an amoral lawnmower. He's a corporate sociopath who focuses completely on squeezing the maximum possible revenue from customers by any means possible. This strategy often takes the form of threatening to sue customers after aggressive software audits. It seldom takes the form of trying to meet the customer's needs via good customer service or quality software.
- stevehawk 8y agoWell, it's sort of weird. He's never really been involved in a company that manufactures, i don't believe. Plus his legacy is that of maximizing licensing fees which isn't really in Tesla's wheelhouse given their history of opening patents. Maybe he's being brought in to fight the right to repair and help lock down Tesla's to maximize some sort of dealer /service model? Or maybe this is some sort of long play to get Tesla stuck on Oracle's platform :-)
- ungamed 8y agoIts the beginning of the end.
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- notacoward 8y agoPart of it is that he has notoriously created a culture of selfishness and even dishonesty at Oracle. I once caught Oracle engineers trying to steal IBM proprietary source code while we were testing on-site at Oracle HQ. I watched them dismiss a unified-cache idea when my small company disclosed it to them under NDA, then add their own (inferior) implementation of the idea as a flagship feature in the next version of Oracle. I saw the many copies of "It is not sufficient for us to win, others must lose also" on Oracle employees' offices. I simply don't trust them, and a company that should have safety as a major goal (but unfortunately already doesn't) is the last place I'd want to see them involved.
- peteradio 8y agoWow, what is he bringing to the table?
- erikpukinskis 8y agoRight now Tesla is really the only company selling even close to volume. No one else is even trying to hit the 500k to 1m volumes Tesla is aiming for. Over the next decade several others will join them. Ellison is a butt, but he understands fierce competition very well. As other automakers start gunning for Tesla hos advice will be an asset.
- Avshalom 8y agoHopefully about $30-50 per share in "market confidence" in the midst of a bear market. Otherwise Tesla probably goes bankrupt in March.
- peteradio 8y agoI suppose short term gains is the only way the market knows how to function.
- hguant 8y agoQuarter to quarter mentality is the biggest downside to becoming a publicly traded company. 'Maximizing shareholder value' has a nasty habit of crowding out all other concerns.
- jp555 8y agoEven if they did, it doesn’t mean they’re going away. GM went bankrupt in 2009, still here.
- giarc 8y agoGM was propped up by multiple levels of government investment, not sure that would come for Tesla.
- mhd 8y agoI guess someone needs advanced access to cryopod batteries. Still not quite the level of Dropbox '14.
- bloomburger 8y agodropbox '14?
- presty 8y agoWhen Condoleezza Rice was appointed to the board of Dropbox https://www.wired.com/2014/04/dropbox-rice-controversy/ https://www.wired.com/2014/04/dropbox-rice-controversy/
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- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoYup, that Larry Ellison. I'm not sure whether this is good news or not.
- sschueller 8y agoBad news for customers, good news for investors?
- zepearl 8y agoI think that it's good for Tesla & investors: Elon's discovery & revolutionizing era is over (at least for a while), now it's time for consolidation & stabilization & optimization etc... .
- tw04 8y agoI would label it as extremely bad. You're talking about a guy who has no shame in using a publicly traded company (Oracle) to bail himself out of personal investments gone wrong (See Pillar Data). He's literally everything that is wrong with capitalism embodied. He's made a living off holding customers hostage and milking them for every last penny. Tesla has made a living off customer service.
- u320 8y ago> You're talking about a guy who has no shame in using a publicly traded company (Oracle) to bail himself out of personal investments gone wrong (See Pillar Data). Kind of like using SpaceX to fund SolarCity and then using Tesla to bail out SolarCity so that SpaceX bond holdings doesn't go bust?
- tw04 8y ago>Tesla to bail out SolarCity so that SpaceX bond holdings doesn't go bust? Right... so SpaceX doesn't go bust. Not "so he can personally enrich himself". Nothing I've seen thus far from Elon indicates to me that his decision making is based entirely on his personal net-worth. In fact most of his moves show the exact OPPOSITE - that he doesn't care at all about his personal wealth and he cares about changing the world/completing his vision. I have absolutely no issues with him using one company to prop up another because he needs both to reach his end-goal. If he was using one company to bail-out a failed investment so his bank account looks a little better I've got a LOT of problems with it.
- privong 8y agoLots of discussion here already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18776883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18776883
- dang 8y agoWe merged that thread into this one, which was posted earlier.
- chmaynard 8y agoFinally! I've been suggesting for years that HN start merging comment threads for duplicate posts. I hope this gets automated.
- dang 8y agoWe've been doing that a long time! https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20comments%20moved https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20merged https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:sctb%20merged https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... We don't catch all of them, though. If people see two current threads about the same things with lots of comments, emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com would be helpful.
- rossdavidh 8y agoAfter his failure, as virtually the only Theranos board member with a high-tech background, to provide any good advice on tech development to Elizabeth Holmes, this seemed incredible to me. Then, I read this in the statement: "Larry is also a big believer in Tesla’s mission, having purchased 3 million shares earlier this year." So, Musk was required to introduce more outside independence to his board, per agreement with the government. He chose one of the least credible board members he could, and one who owned a lot of shares in Tesla to boot. Aha. I think I understand now.
- MikeCapone 8y agoOwning shares is not a negative. It's a positive. It means that he's more aligned with shareholders than with management. Boards full of non-shareholders tend to prioritize the paycheck they get as board members, so they tend to not want to rock the boat or get into conflicts with mangement. Those that are shareholders first tend to have a bigger incentive to confront or fire management if they start doing things that are bad for shareholders.
- zepearl 8y agoDoes this mean that a company should use somebody who owns a lot of shares during bad times (when some drastic measure is needed to bring the company back into profitability), and normal paycheck-people during normal times (to ensure that no big risk is taken without reason)? (genuinely asking)
- startupdiscuss 8y agoconfused as to why someone who owns a lot of shares would want to take a "big risk" "without reason" during "normal times." Wouldn't a person with a lot of stock not want to take a big risk without reason at any time?
- zepearl 8y ago> confused as to why someone who owns a lot of shares would want to take a "big risk" "without reason" during "normal times." I wrote "normal paycheck-people during normal times (to ensure that no big risk is taken without reason)" > Wouldn't a person with a lot of stock not want to take a big risk without reason at any time? (honestly, I'm not sure if I understand the double negation correctly) If you got the stock (or options) for the price of "1" while becoming CEO or similar, you'll probably desperately try to raise that stock price above 1 while your "empire" lasts.
- porpoisely 8y agoDupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18776883 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18776883
- starbeast 8y agoGiven Tesla's current issues with how they have been reported to treat their workforce, while Larry might be useful in terms of finance and contacts, I'm more interested in discovering what Kathleen is bringing to the table and what her attitudes to things like unions and employee rights in general might be. I suspect that could be at least as make or break as anything Larry might do here.
- erikpukinskis 8y agoYeah, she seems clearly brought in to help with the safety and legal issues with the workforce. Hopefully she can help actually fix the problems and not just manage and price the fallout.
- golfer 8y agoBruce Scott, the co-founder of Oracle says, “I remember Larry very distinctly telling me one time: Bruce, we can’t be successful unless we lie to customers.” And adds: “All the things that you would read in books of somebody being a leader, he wasn’t. But he was tenacious; he would never give up on anything.” [0] Elon stretches the truth constantly. Should be a good fit. [0]: https://techcrunch.com/2010/12/01/larry-ellison-hearsay-we-cant-be-successful-if-we-dont-lie-to-customers/ https://techcrunch.com/2010/12/01/larry-ellison-hearsay-we-c...
- hn_throwaway_99 8y ago> But he was tenacious; he would never give up on anything. To be fair, in my mind this is the one most common trait I find in successful entrepreneurs and leaders. I've seen leaders who I didn't think were particularly bright, or extroverted, or empathic, but man, did they not get stressed out by obstacles that came in their way. They either sidestepped them or overcame them, but they did not dwell on them and let those obstacles lead to self doubt. This is one reason why I think sociopaths are over-represented in leadership positions. They are not burdened by a conscience that can lead to self doubt in times of stress. Of course, it's possible to have this "does not get discouraged by big obstacles" attitude and not be a sociopath, but it is certainly an area where sociopaths have a natural advantage.
- zepearl 8y agoI agree but I'd like to add that in my opinion "successful" is probably quite risky to use in general, meaning that there are multiple levels (e.g. successful for yourself, for the company/government, for the investors/people, for the future maintainability, etc...) and timelines (e.g. now, in 1 year, in 10 years, ...). For example Stephen Elop can probably be considered "successful" as having managed to be CEO of Nokia for a while, but not the same could be said for the company itself (not sure about its investors)? In any case I think that it would be safe to say that sociopaths have at least the embedded advantage of being "quicker", as they most probably ponder less than other people about in/direct consequences of their actions.
- ThinkBeat 8y agoExpect software updates for Tesla automobiles to become progressively more expensive and more difficult to install, they will also be packaged with adware. All patents will be closed and litigation against all other electric car makes will ensue.
- CommieBobDole 8y agoLicense audit! "You've been running the car on the wrong kind of tires for the last three years. You owe us 80 million dollars"
- LinuxBender 8y agoTesla cars currently use CentOS 6. I could imagine Larry suggesting they move to Oracle Linux. I would be less concerned with adware and more concerned about short-cutting best practices. For example, prior to Oracle acquiring Sun, they used to build packages that would move the compiler (out of the way) and drop in their own packages under /usr/bin to make Oracle re-linking happy. After the acquisition, all of the push-back on such practices were bypassed. They did similar things in linux RPM packages. Oracle RPM's would install files to /tmp, move files owned by other RPM's out of the way and move their files from /tmp to /bin, thus bypassing any dependency conflicts. Now imagine them applying this mind-set to the Tesla cars. I am curious what could go wrong.
- openloop 8y agoI feel that there are tons of better choices but whatever.
- T3RMINATED 8y agoLarry Ellison... ew... sell your tesla while it still has value.
- saosebastiao 8y agoTime for all the car magazines to update all their cost of ownership estimates to account for software licensing fees.
- curtis 8y agoI don't know if this is good or bad or what. But at least it seems like Larry Ellison is someone that will never be intimidated by Elon Musk.
- Robotbeat 8y agoGlad to hear Tesla is adding more women. I truly think women in leadership are a grossly underutilized resource. EDIT: Doubly so women of color. If anyone needs a different perspective, it’s Elon. I hope he listens.
- Robotbeat 8y agoWow, huh, my comment was down-voted. My theory is that innate talent (if there is such a thing) is probably roughly evenly distributed among the sexes and races, so in fields which are dominated by white men, you're actually at an advantage if you manage to hire women and/or minorities as you are able to hire some of the very best humans effectively at an enormous discount (of course, if everyone did this, the discount would disappear and we'd have meritocratic equality, which is kind of what we want). Plus it increases the solution space you're able to efficiently explore due to a wider range of perspective and background. I have had several women bosses, and they're pretty much all great. We'll know when we've achieved gender equality when it's just as common to have a crappy female boss as a male boss. Oh, and folks suggesting we look at "objective" metrics alone... Well, there's no such thing. When hiring folks, there's an enormous amount of information that just can't be known at the time. You really do have to look at the outcome to judge how "objective" you're actually being, on net. . "Am I pretty much just hiring people who look like me?" There's two answers to that question: "Well, obviously people who look like me are naturally better than everyone else." Or, my perspective: "I'm probably missing something important so I should cast a wider net."
- erikpukinskis 8y agoI share your theory. Which points to a business opportunity creating diversity-friendly companies. The trouble is, the world is still sexist and racist. So while you’d end up with a more capable workforce, your company would also be disadvantaged at every turn. Your sales people would be looked over by clients, your bizdev reps would be disrespected by partners, etc. I think to exploit your insight profitably, you need to create an n-sided market of many companies all committed to diversity. That opens you to other attacks, like how the Black Panthers were infiltrated by the CIA for trying to build a black separatist economy. N-sided market problems are also really hard. Although I think this one can be solved with some clever software infrastructure. Once we start seeing some really capable “Ubers of Everything” these kinds of people plays become more feasible.
- nottorp 8y agoYay, that settles it. Now I definitely can't afford a Tesla. The car maybe, but the legal team that should go with it, nope. Current owners, make sure you have a lawyer on retainer.
- gammateam 8y agohaha wow, what a perspective. thanks for this
- glogla 8y agoOh wow. I was pretty much decided that my next car will be a Tesla Model 3. With Ellison? Nope nope nope. I don't want to support people like that.
- kerng 8y agoI'm not sure why you get downvoted. It seems like an honest opinion and I share it also.
- cmurf 8y agoThe board appoints officers, officers run the day to day and establish the operational personality of a company. It probably won't affect the Tesla approach to customers, but it's a very young company so - time will tell. I think in the short term it'd be a bad idea to mess with what's been successful, and focus on the areas that need shoring up.
- module0000 8y agoMy brain replaced "Ellison" with "Wall", and until the first paragraph I was terribly excited....then not so much.
- AlexCoventry 8y agoTesla cars badly need a perl 6 API.
- EngineerBetter 8y agoCripes. The "pedo guy" thing made me cringe and reaffirmed that Elon is a fallible human, but this is the first time as a Tesla owner I'm worried about the leadership of the company.
- Tomte 8y agoFascinating. Kathleen Wilson-Thompson is a senior manager at a huge American company, still there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia article about her.
- khazhoux 8y agoOnly three of the nine execs of Walgreen Boots Alliance have wikipedia pages. http://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/about/senior-management/ http://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/about/senior-managemen...
- danso 8y agoLazlo Bock, who held a similar position at Google (head of HR) doesn’t seem to have had his own Wikipedia page until the publication of his book in 2015 (the coincidental timing suggests either people didn’t take note of him until the book, or his PR people helped get the Wikipedia article going). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Laszlo_Bock https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Laszlo_Bock
- booleandilemma 8y agoMaybe use this opportunity to write one then, instead of passively-aggressively complaining? From your profile it looks like you could write both English and German language articles on her.
- mrmuagi 8y agoI'm not sure that's a complaint, rather than a fact. A complaint would be something like: X does not have a Wikipedia page -> X is not a good fit. It's more of a factoid, you see :-) Curious why you bring up language anyway, are you not a native speaker hence your tone misapprehension?
- Tomte 8y agoMaybe use this opportunity to not attack me? My involvement with Wikipedia will be limited to the occasional spelling fix, for unfortunate experiences with the "community" there.
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- ElijahLynn 8y agoIn my eyes, Larry Ellison on the Tesla BoD just damaged the brand of Tesla by an order of magnitude.
- scirocco 8y agoLarry's first day with the board: "Let's introduce audits to catch drivers tuning their cars!"
- narrator 8y agoLarry's second day:let's introduce a pricing model that confuses customers, nickels and dimes them constantly and requires enormously expensive upgrades to do things the current car and all our competitors already do for free.
- narrator 8y agoLarry's third day on the job: Let's buy all our competitors and raise prices 5x and get rid of independent car repair shops and make Bluetooth and anything besides AM radio an ad on for the car stereo that's $5000 extra and licensed per unique phone you pair with it. You also can no longer plug in your car at home without an annual license fee and priced per watt of charger output and how many different cars will use it. You also have to pay an extra charge per pound of passenger and luggage in the car over 50. The car won't start if it detects you're overweight.
- throwaway98121 8y agoCan you elaborate why? Edit: reading others’ posts about him in this thread. Okay, wow. Not sure how accurate this information is though.
- ElijahLynn 8y agoWell, one thing that got me about him was his acquisition of Sun Microsystems to acquire the patents on Java to sue Google for Android. Which Sun didn't have any issue with Google about the use of Java for Android. But Larry did. He saw $$$. Maybe I am wrong about the above but that is my impression of what I have read. Open to corrections.
- epynonymous 8y agomy guess is that elon musk will leave sooner or later, having to listen to someone with an ego like larry ellison will drive elon insane.
- Bucephalus355 8y agoTo put in context the remark that Ellison made about lying to customers that is referenced in the top rated comment, this happened during a sales cycle to Bank of America in 1981-1983 timeframe (can’t remember exact year). It’s featured in the 2006 Bloomberg Ellison video bio (link below) and it’s where Ellison wanted to exaggerate the number of Oracle programmers/engineers from 3 to 15. I have no sympathy for Bank of America, but that’s because they’re a bank who screws over regular ppl somewhat directly. Oracle has the decently to put a few middlemen in the process. NOTE: I’m a liberal arts major who was hired straight out of college during the GFC of 2008 for a non-technical role by Oracle and then later they trained me and put me in an engineering slot (!) so I’ll always be in their debt/totally bias. The above story I thought was somewhat relevant / interesting nonetheless + I hate Bank of America and now bank at USAA. https://youtu.be/mB2V0BXH608 https://youtu.be/mB2V0BXH608
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