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Canada's immigration website crashes on election night
- kasey_junk 10y agoThe major tech centers in Canada have major housing price issues. The housing to salary ratio in Vancouver and Toronto are terrifying.
- nfoz 10y agoAn exception is Waterloo.
- Daniel_Marcos 10y agoBut Waterloo isn't a great city to live in. Especially for young professionals, Waterloo is not nearly as exciting as Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver.
- spoonie 10y agoI think Kitchener-Waterloo (~300k people) punches above its weight. It definitely feels like a small city, but there are still things to do. Plus Toronto is 1.5 hours away on a Greyhound bus for about $15. ;)
- kasey_junk 10y agoWaterloo demographically compares to Raleigh. I make no judgement about relative merits of living there, but just in size it's small. [edit] just Raleigh mind you, The Triangle is much bigger than that.
- mattkrause 10y agoMontreal's housing is comically affordable compared to most cities on the east and west coasts.
- soggypopsicle 10y agoEverything is on par with or cheaper, East of Montreal.
- mattkrause 10y agoWhat? There's not much of anything east of Montreal. IBM did (does?) have some offices in the Eastern Townships, but that's not very far from Montreal. Looking at a map, I see Sherbrooke, Quebec City, Fredricton, then Moncton, and Halifax. Quebec City is probably the largest at about ~500k people, and has some tech industry. Dalhousie University in Halifax has some decent science programs too. After that, the next biggest tech center is probably London.
- retreatguru 10y agoI wonder how this might affect startups in Canada? Will it be easier to hire American programmers? Will more investors come up north?
- Aldo_MX 10y agoMaybe not Americans, but Mexicans, since the visa requirements are expected to be lifted[1]. [1] http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/06/28/canada-lift-visa-requirements-mexico http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/06/28/canada-lift-visa-req...
- dba7dba 10y agoHow long does it take for paper work to be completed? 1-2 years? And than what? Trump will almost certainly mess up enough (which Dem have warned about) to be out of office after just 1 term. And will they go through the paper work to return to US?
- retreatguru 10y agoI think highly skilled and paid jobs are expedited. Above CAD $85k I believe.
- spoonie 10y agoI was making $70k as a newgrad in Waterloo back in 2012.
- Scoundreller 10y agoIf you can get your paperwork for a TN-1 visa, you just show up at the border with your application and it's approved on-the-spot. It's not a permanent visa, but it gives you time.
- mattkrause 10y agoI got my postdoc work permit in about...ten minutes? You show up at the border with your passport, the fee, and few documents from your employer. They do some stuff on the computer and then awkwardly disappear for a few minutes. You pay the cashier and the guard reappears with your completed work permit. Done. As far as I know, there's also not much paperwork for returning to the US, though you're supposed to inventory all of the stuff you bring back with you.
- baby 10y agoPeople are not going to move. After every single election in France people say they will move to the US, or to germany, or to... I've never seen anyone moved anywhere. ps: parts of my family moved out of Hong Kong when it became Chinese again. But that was quite a different situation.
- mfjordvald 10y agoThat's kind of funny. French people is the single biggest source of expats (if we ignore domestic helpers) in Hong Kong. Seems to be very common for French people to emigrate.
- tomp 10y agoSeems unlikely that migrating from France to Hong Kong would be motivated by political reasons (unless you want less democracy). I'm guessing financial motivations dominate.
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- rtpg 10y agoI remember seeing some article about French brain drain being extremely systematic now, especially among the better schools. Get free schooling in France, then leave. Obviously I'm in a bit of a bubble (having done this myself) but a lot of my college friends left the country too.
- colmvp 10y agoCanada seems appealing to Americans until you realize you could be earning more in the U.S. while spending less on a bunch of other things. Don't get me wrong, I love living in Canada and I mostly don't miss living in Bay Area, but most of my friends lament the fact that their salary and career opportunities are a joke compared to what they could have in the U.S. (even adjusting for cost of living).
- M_Grey 10y agoCanada would be an odd choice for many reasons, but is probably attractive for the combination of proximity, and cultural/linguistic similarities. For me, I've been looking at Ireland, Denmark, or the Netherlands for a while, and I'd say they're looking far more attractive today than yesterday. Besides, money isn't everything. There is something to be said for not having to deal with the insane evangelicals, bitter uneducated whites, and insane levels of violence too. Not to mention the impact this will have on the SCOTUS, and how incredibly screwed up healthcare is.
- mahyarm 10y agoThing is you can move to pretty much any western state or large city and not have to deal with most of that. Portland, Seattle, SF, LA, LV, etc.
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- tuna-piano 10y agoIf you didn't read the newspaper, how many of the negative things you mentioned would actually impact your life? Would you even know who was president for the last 4 (or the next 4) based on the impacts to your life? I'd guess not. Just live your life and be happy, vote when you can but don't let what you don't control make you sad.
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- nvk 10y agoCorp tax in Ontario is 15% and free health care. Dev pay also comparable. Come over :)
- pmiller2 10y agoComparable to where? Not the Bay Area. I interviewed for a remote position with a Canadian company a while back, and they weren't able to pay me anywhere near a market rate Bay Area salary.
- ams6110 10y agoSure. Budweiser is $50/case and gas is $4/gal. How's health care free again?
- nvk 10y agoCan't compete on cheap booze in Ontario (fancy stuff is comparable).. Everything else is.
- tacoman 10y agoThis probably has more to do with Patch Tuesday than the extra 500 page loads it got.
- namank 10y ago$20 says the crash is because of all the online jokes about moving to Canada that contain links to this site.
- symlinkk 10y agoAgreed. It's still funny though.
- chinese_dan 10y agoGood riddance. Canada is great, until you realize you need the US healthcare system for any major surgery (unless you want to wait years) and you truly don't have the freedom of speech. Heh. The funny thing is I always win.
- chinese_dan 10y agoGood riddance. Canada is great, until you realize you need the US healthcare system for any major surgery (unless you want to wait years) and you truly don't have the freedom of speech. I can't see my post for some reason, so I'm reposting.
- Tomte 10y agoIf you're afraid of the US President, moving abroad isn't helpful. His domestic power is severely limited and checks-n-balanced. Granted, that only counts for fear of a semi-tyrannical president, not necessarily for economic concerns.
- MichaelBurge 10y agoRepublicans won the House and Senate too, and he gets to appoint probably 3 justices to the Supreme Court. So it'll be a more unified government than you've seen in a long time, which makes Trump able to get a lot of his platform through. It's a great time to live in America.
- ant6n 10y agoWhat's that anyway, besides 'building a wall and make Mexico pay for it'?
- MichaelBurge 10y agoHe has his 'contract with the American voter' on his site: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102... The big ones are term limits for Congress and lower taxes.
- ant6n 10y agoThe big one is the climate change issues. And the Supreme Court ouch. Also health care. On the dooms day clock of climate change, the time is past midnight. This is not good.
- Scoundreller 10y agoMexico will be paying in Pesos, because US$ just got 12% more expensive for them in the last 8 hours.
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- mahyarm 10y agoAs a Canadian who moved away, I must warn you that Canada has a form of dutch disease. Resource extraction investments have a much better risk/return ratio, so the pay doesn't even approach US levels. Thus software doesn't approach the levels of investment you have in the USA. And you thought SF was bad, wait until you see what has gone wrong with the housing markets in Toronto and Vancouver. I liked Canada and it's sad that I have to live away from my family, but I would be a fool to stay otherwise.
- throwaway5752 10y agoWhat would have happened if Rob Ford had been elected PM?
- querulous 10y agoyou can just read this to get a pretty good idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper#Prime_Minister_.282006.E2.80.9315.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper#Prime_Minister_...
- cperciva 10y agoThe "dutch disease" went away with falling oil prices. I agree that the housing markets in Vancouver and Toronto are nuts, but until today it looked like they were cooling down. Unfortunately, we might see another spike in foreign investment in Canadian housing thanks to this election...
- hackerboos 10y agoI moved to Toronto from the UK, received a solid 25% increase in salary and cut my rent expenditure in half. Houses are expensive here but still cheaper than London or SF. Canada isn't all doom and gloom.
- patrick_99 10y agoThis. Canadian salaries are low, compared to the US. They're much better than Europe.
- chinese_dan 10y agoGood riddance. Canada is great, until you realize you need the US healthcare system for any major surgery (unless you want to wait years) and you truly don't have the freedom of speech.
- sctb 10y agoPlease don't repost comments, especially uncivil and unsubstantive ones, when the community has appropriately flagkilled the previous.
- anguswithgusto 10y agoMontreal startups hiring: -Transit (transitapp.com) -Unsplash (unsplash.com) -Hopper (hopper.com) -Breather (breather.com) -Sonder (sonder.com) -Busbud (busbud.com) -AmpMe (ampme.com) -Fuzzy AI (fuzzy.ai) -Frank & Oak (frankandoak.com) You can get a pretty nice 1 BR apartment in Montreal for ~$600 US/mo. Incredible bars, beautiful people, great schools, bike paths, and lots of outdoor rinks to play hockey in the winter :-) FYI: Montreal startups operate in English!
- dboy1612 10y agoBusbud (busbud.com) is as well.
- jrockway 10y agoBut no bikeshare in the winter :(
- anguswithgusto 10y agoUnlike SF, we have great public transit! Most startups are a 5 minute walk from a subway stop, and it's cleaner/less crowded. Few people own cars here. (But granted, the snow is no joke!)
- angryteabag 10y agoAs a New Zealander who is unable to move anywhere else due to immigration laws. I am happy for you, but the Jealousy is real.
- sanswork 10y agoWorking Holiday Visa depending on your age will get you 2 years in Canada.
- rbobby 10y agoJust ShovelShare(tm) :)
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- nhebb 10y agoI don't even know how to respond to this. People die trying to make it into the U.S. I'm not a flag-waving jingoist, but the the United States is a f'ing great place to live.
- jrockway 10y agoYeah, it's pretty good. Will Trump keep it that way?
- empath75 10y agoIt is. It won't be next year. My original plan was to move and telecommute, but that's kind of fucked because the dollar is crashing.
- raquo 10y agoThat depends on what you compare it to. Plenty of first world countries are ahead of the US in many important aspects. But if you're setting the bar on the level of Russia or some third world countries, then yeah, it's pretty great.
- adventured 10y agoThe US is ahead of plenty of first world countries in many important aspects. - Unemployment rate and job openings - Economic growth - Disposable income - Household income - Low middle class tax rates - GDP per capita - Economic productivity - Wealth creation opportunities - Access to capital and investment - Diversity (most competing first world nations are very homogeneous) - Scale and variety of industry, the US is the #2 manufacturing nation for example - Freedom of speech and ease of movement - Tech infrastructure - Best universities on earth - By far the highest research & scientific output of any nation - Leadership positions in: pharma, biotech, genetech, aerospace, software, Internet tech broadly, cloud, ecommerce, mobile, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, space / space tech, defense / military, agriculture, electric vehicles, nuclear and other energy fields, one of the leaders in solar, and numerous other fields - America's median standard of living is still among the top dozen nations on earth
- reflexive 10y agoI haven't heard any of Trump's opponents threaten to move to Mexico... ;-)
- jetblackio 10y agoI'm moving to Mexico in a few months :)
- reflexive 10y agoSmart - having spent time in both places, I'd hole up in Baja over Lake Ontario any day.
- zhemao 10y agoWell, some of them will be, but not by choice.
- lotsoflumens 10y agoIf any of you have seen an Ottawa winter, you'll understand that the one guy on the night-shift there is too busy trying to figure out how fast he can get to Australia.
- retreatguru 10y agoIn 20 years Ottawa will be sub tropical thanks to global warming ;)
- lotsoflumens 10y agoI totally agree - the problem is that for every degree of warming Trudeau will raise the carbon tax 5%.
- alexbanks 10y agoMy girlfriend and I (Both software devs) would gladly move to Canada with the help of a company employing us. Almost immediately. We have little to no attachment to our current city of Portland.
- Scoundreller 10y agoResearch TN-1 visas. No labour market assessment required. Need to have a degree or other significant experience though.
- angryteabag 10y agoWhat is considered significant experience?
- Scoundreller 10y agoRe-reading it, it looks like it's "Individuals may be eligible for one of the TN visa categories that only require a 2 year post-secondary diploma and 3 years of experience". There's lots of minefields. I've never done it, just familiar with it.
- vchynarov 10y agoTN-1 is because of NAFTA. (Source: http://www.canadiansinusa.com/Working-in-the-US/tn-visa.html http://www.canadiansinusa.com/Working-in-the-US/tn-visa.html). Trump is well-known for being extremely against NAFTA.
- a3camero 10y agoYou may want to come check out Toronto before moving here. A great event to see what the City's tech scene is like is HackerNest. It's once a month. You could probably also line up some interviews for your trip.
- danieltillett 10y agoIs it good or bad news that the Australian immigration website is still up [1]? 1. https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/457- https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/457-
- simplexion 10y agoWe already voted in our version of Trump, so we probably won't let you in.
- danieltillett 10y agoI am already here :) As long as you don’t come by boat you should be fine.
- schappim 10y agoBut the Yanks don't have a means to oust him like Turnbull did...
- gnipgnip 10y agoIs it just me who is cursing themselves for not shorting USDJPY at the right moment ? Damn. Whoever thought being obsessed with the election coverage would be useful.
- hellofunk 10y agoHindsight.
- Scoundreller 10y agoYou also get a few more Canadian cents per US$ since the markets closed today, so your money goes further. And vacations to Mexico just got 10% cheaper.
- readhn 10y agoI stick to George Carlin's advice: I'm in the front seat and I want the best entertainment. And Trump will deliver the best entertainment of all candidates! I'm staying to watch this circus, pass the pop corn!
- peeters 10y agoI don't really get the mindset of "if Trump wins I'm moving to X country." The citizens in all of those countries are much more scared of a Trump presidency than Americans seem to be. It stands to reason that the best place to weather a Trump administration is from within the U.S. I mean, when your guy is threatening to disband NATO, tear up NAFTA (and rejects free trade as a whole), reinstate torture as official policy, etc...would you rather live in the U.S. or in one of its allied countries?
- gedrap 10y agoAs someone from a country which strongly depends on NATO (Lithuania, former Soviet state, shared border with heavily militarized Russian territory Kaliningrad), you are spot on.
- empath75 10y agoSorry :(
- drakonandor 10y agoLithuania, another NATO country which contributes about half of what they're supposed to to the collective defense.
- geodel 10y agoDo you think Twitter/FB commenters are dead serious about moving? To me it is at same level as today's lunch photos: just grab attention and likes by whatever means.
- empath75 10y ago> would you rather live in the U.S. or in one of its allied countries? I guess it depends on whether you're a minority or not, doesn't it?
- mahyarm 10y agoDemocratic voters always say something similar to some degree when a republican president (and only president) gets voted in.
- meaganc 10y agoIt seems like it would be more useful for Silicon Valley to just put their money where their mouth is and declare war. Fund education like crazy, pour a ton of money into environmental causes and just go nuts. Create a useful America.
- jitix 10y agoDespite the caring face that most startups put up they all have to make money to survive. Only when they grow really big can they even think of pursuing social goals and even then they will have opposition from the shareholders.
- patrickg_zill 10y agoDo you really want to move to a country whose government can't even keep a mostly-static-webpage site up?
- hurricaneSlider 10y agoLike affordable healthcare .gov?
- stuxnet79 10y agoWell, clearly the country can benefit from American talent.
- freeone3000 10y agoThe same website handles actual processing of citizenship and permanent residency applications, such as form submissions, qualification questions, and so on. It runs a very light client so all of the validation is server-side. Far cry from "mostly static".
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- unix 10y agoChina, Welcome you. :-)
- ingenieros 10y agoI would advice anyone considering moving to a different country to spend some time studying FATCA. Even if you move out of the U.S you will still be responsible for filing taxes every single year unless you renounce your citizenship which is not easy by any means. Foreign banks are required by FATCA law to pass all your financial information to the I.R.S and in some countries they will downright refuse opening a bank account for american citizens to avoid this nuissance.
- mattkrause 10y agoIt's annoying and maybe a little invasive, but it's not impossible. The FBAR takes about 10 minutes to fill out and submit, and the bank may want a few extra forms if you earn a lot of interest. Taxes are annoying, but between treaties and the foreign income exclusion or credit, you probably won't be double-taxed.
- spoonie 10y agoThe US has tax treaties with just about anywhere good want to go, so no double-taxation. (And no, paying income tax in two countries is not double-taxation.)
- mpweiher 10y agoUnlike just about any other country in the world, the US will tax you even if you don't live or derive your income there. Furthermore, also unlike every other country in the world, the US will only deduct the paxes you paid in the other country from the taxes it thinks you owe it on income you earn+spend while living abroad. Every other country considers your tax obligations fulfilled.
- spoonie 10y agoYes. And because of the tax treaty you get a tax credit for the foreign income tax paid, hence it's not double-taxation.
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- platita 10y agoThere actually are more options than just the Canadian cities and there's a site for figuring out your best options: http://teleport.org http://teleport.org
- seikatsu 10y agoWell, https://teleport.org https://teleport.org is still up, for searching 200+ other cities you could move to...
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- grizzles 10y agoIf you need to leave the U.S. consider moving to Australia. (I did) The cost of living here is high, but the salaries are very high for professionals. If you are a talented thrifty person - you can save a lot of money fast. Good surfing too. For startups. you get about ~50c back on the dollar from the gov't annually. You don't need to make a single dollar in profit to get that, it is based on the invested capital. Feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.
- Rinzler89 10y agoHi grizzles, as a european currently vliving in Austria I am quite interested in relcoating to Australia for the weather and the people but I'm not sure how the tech scene is over there for EE jobs like Embedded Software/Firmware Engineer. I had a quick look on indeed but I wasn't very lucky.
- grizzles 10y agoTry seek.com.au. It's the biggest job site here by a big margin. Also I know someone that is looking for an EE, so you can send me your cv (email in profile) too if you wish.
- dmode 10y agoI have lived extensively in NL and Denmark. Would give an arm and a leg to move there again. Need to find a job for myself and wife there
- shostack 10y agoWhat is it like for an American making the move? What were the best and worst parts?
- dep_b 10y agoFirst paying the heavy Dutch taxes, then having to pay US taxes because you're still a citizen.
- mattkrause 10y agoIf you actually did that, you're either making tons of money regardless or doing your taxes wrong.
- spoonie 10y agoThe US has a tax treaty with the Netherlands, so there is no double-taxation.
- 0xmohit 10y agoNo surprises. It runs on Windows with IIS as the web server [0]. [0] http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.cic.gc.ca http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.cic.g...
- bitmapbrother 10y agoI've heard a lot of people say, in the U.S, that if this or that happens then "I'm moving to Canada". It's as if they think Canada would welcome them with open arms. Think again.
- hueving 10y agoLeaving the country over an election like this seems pretty childish IMO. Why wouldn't you wait until there was, you know, some kind of policy change before making that kind of massive life decision?
- eropple 10y agoBecause, frankly? A country that is down with electing somebody who overtly panders to white supremacists is not a country I really want to be in. A country that elects somebody who thinks electrocuting teenagers to cure homosexuality is not a country I really want to be in. I don't need to see what they will do to know what they have done. I don't intend to move stupidly, and I don't intend to unless I can better my situation--but I wasn't even considering it yesterday, and I am now.
- hueving 10y agoYou are so brave for quitting the moment your political ideals are challenged. /s The people that voted in trump represent about 1/5th of the population. How about sticking around and fucking participating rather than expecting a political free ride?
- microcolonel 10y agoFor what it's worth, I doubt the infrastructure was that good to begin with. Sites put up by my country's government are only set up to handle normal load.
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- rileyt 10y agoHere is a helpful tool I made for anyone considering moving to Canada! https://www.canadiantechjobsforamericans.com/ https://www.canadiantechjobsforamericans.com/
- danm07 10y agoI've lived in LA, SF, Boston, Toronto, and Vancouver. I liked SF and Boston. Things moved a lot quicker. The cities were more populated, people were more educated (I was near Harvard / MIT / UC Berkeley ) and unassuming. I went to college near Toronto, and almost all my professors were American. They liked Canada for all the reasons I didn't like it. Things seemed to progress slower than their American counterparts, and people were less wound up. The downside is that the service quality in the private sector is not comparable that of the US. I currently reside in Vancouver. It's beautiful here, but you get lots of rain during winter seasons. People are friendly. It's expensive if you live near the city, but where isn't? Pay is definitely not as good if you're an engineer... Maybe 70 cents on the dollar. If you're trying to build a software startup, definitely consider moving your HQ to Canada (or outside of SF!), and keeping a corporate office in SV for fundraising. There's less competition for engineers, and you'll make 30% more progress per dollar invested. Technology-wise, I'd suggest Waterloo. Silicon Valley hires graduates from U of Waterloo only second to UC Berkeley. Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics chaired by Stephen Hawkings is also there. The city is also home to Institute of Quantum Computing, started by the founder of Blackberry. D-Wave, one of the major players in quantum computing is based in British Columbia. In terms of AI, Canada is a bit of a talent drain. Most of the lead researchers and professors have been lured to Oxford or Google or wherever. Venture Capital presence is limited here. Vancouver has only got a handful of major venture firms. Though, I met a couple of investors from Silicon Valley investors trying to start something up near UBC. I can't say much about Toronto. Quality of living is pretty good here. I can go out for walks during midnight and not have to worry about getting robbed - something I was never able to do in LA. Many parks. Overall, you'd like Canada if you're willing to trade slower pace, liberal views, colder weather for population size, and American imperialism. Every American I've met in Canada really enjoyed being here, just as every Canadian in America I've met really enjoyed being there. I'm no exception. There's something I love about the narrow Cobblestone streets in Cambridge, the golden hills in SF Bay Area, the weather in LA. And oddly enough, I've found that people I've met in the US are more personable than those in Canada. I suppose that comes with the more unified sense of national identity that is in someways a fascade.
- partycoder 10y agoCanada is not bad if you feel comfortable in that weather. There are some cultural differences, but at a professional level it is very similar to the US. They do seem friendlier though. Much friendlier.
- throw2016 10y agoLet's get real. No one is going to Canada. This is just grist and posturing for the social media mill. But it's still fun. Trump does not take himself seriously, so why should you. The trump presidency is going to be a clusterfuck, gaffes galore, pure comedy but hopefully eventually harmless and the bigger risk is people overreacting. Seriously nothing can be worse than the sinister and duplicitious behind the scenes status quo represented by Hilary Clinton and her ilk. This is 4 years for the entrenched frauds and clowns in politics and media to reassess their ruling strategies as it appears nearly everyone can now see through their bullshit and crave honesty and sincerity even if its ugly.
- johnnydoebk 10y agoGuys, take me to the first world. I want to suffer, too.
- joeclark77 10y agoThe snarky reply to the "moving to Canada" thing is: why don't all these California liberals want move to Mexico? It's closer, isn't it?
- middleclick 10y agoIt's pretty clear what you are insinuating, but Canada is more culturally similar to the US, and not Mexico. Also not to forget I have to learn Spanish.
- pelasaco 10y agowell, French is not easier than Spanish. Culturally similar than Mexico and California? LOL!
- omribahumi 10y agoNo one mentioned Tel-Aviv. We have excellent weather, food and beach. Google and Facebook have engineering offices in Tel-Aviv, and there are lots of start-ups here. I'm not sure what's the process of getting a visa though. Jewish people can get citizenship relatively easy (Jewish state yada yada yada). Disclaimer: I work at Facebook Tel-Aviv
- diego_moita 10y ago> No one mentioned Tel-Aviv People that fear Trumpist racism are very much the same people that understand Israel as a racist country.
- omribahumi 10y agoI'm not going to get into this discussion. You're welcome to have your opinion, but I don't think all Trump's objectors are against Israel.
- devonkim 10y agoWhat happened or didn't happen to the people running the site between 2004 and now when GWB was re-elected? You'd think that you should be shoring up the website seeing spikes for a while, and it's been over 10 years since that site crash and populations haven't gotten an order of magnitude higher exactly.
- nathanvanfleet 10y agoIf it happens once every 8 years I can understand that the wouldn't care much. Do you expect them to employ expensive services that would cost them a lot of money to stop that just for one day? It's government, they just live with it.
- devonkim 10y agoI've worked in government before and understand bureaucracy but there's a certain level of quality even they have standards for. Most government sites aren't massive volume transactions but primarily static brochure type sites that may need some occasional updates making them suitable for many commercial CMSes that are well known and easy to optimize. Adding caching for documents that are almost never updated and adding a CDN layer for the application are inexpensive compared to writing and even hosting the CMS itself (usually on rather expensive TCO on-premise infrastructure). Furthermore, this kind of upgrade helps fulfill use cases of access and availability to government-provided services that is the spirit of the law in many developed countries, especially as citizens increasingly reach to online services for their interaction with governments.
- freeone3000 10y agoThis site is done separately. Your entire application, from initial contact to permanent residency or citizenship, is handled through this website, entirely through submission of electronic forms. While it's basically a form-and-image-and-pdf-and-docx-grabbing site, that's still a step or two above brochure-and-static.
- nathanvanfleet 10y agoAs if Canada is far enough away. Good luck.
- ceejay 10y agoBefore we know it, politicians in Canada will be promising their citizens they're going to build a wall of their own ;)
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- GnarfGnarf 10y agoNow they get to find out what labour laws are like for aliens :o)
- pelasaco 10y agoStrange, Mexico's immigration website still online...
- tallanvor 10y agoI'm seriously considering switching citizenship now - I've lived in Norway long enough that I can, although I'm not sure how long the process will take or cost.
- chunky1994 10y agoThe folks over at anonymous were bombarding the site according to some of the shadier 4chan boards.
- grownseed 10y agoA few points I think are relevant: - I find leaving your country only because you didn't vote for the winner is rather cowardly, you can still do something about it, we're not quite talking systemic harassment yet... - as a friend of mine pointed out, Canada is not a consolation prize for disgruntled americans, it's a real country, with its own real people and its own real problems - having just aquired my canadian permanent residence after years and lots of money, it was a harrowing process. Clogging the already dysfunctional immigration system en masse as a whim is not just stupid, it's insulting to people currently going through immigration, and downright threatening to people who are in very real danger If you're a disgruntled US citizen, I can understand your frustration, but please don't take this lightly.
- bwooceli 10y agoAssuming it's not crashed by the minorities who are likely to feel the brunt of the policy changes... I'm having a lot of very sober conversations with my immigrant friends.
- halite 10y ago> having just aquired my canadian permanent residence after years and lots of money Slightly off topic: I've been through the process as well and accept the frustrations but I didn't not think the costs were unreasonable. I only had to pay CIC application fees. How was the process harrowing for you? Not defending the frustration, just curious I guess.
- arcticbull 10y agoCompare it to US immigration also, where I got 6 years and easily over $20,000 in employer-paid costs in, and didn't even get to the green card stage. [EDIT] Overstated cost, ran the numbers it's $20-25K.
- kogepathic 10y agoThat's ridiculous. I moved to Germany from Canada a few years ago when I was in my mid-20s. Nothing wrong with Canada, I was just bored. I came to Germany on a tourist visa and found a job by sending my CV to random German technology companies I found via LinkedIn. The Blue Card (EU equivalent of a Green Card) cost all of 135 EUR and is valid for four years. The processing time for the Blue Card is around 6 weeks after application, but I think that's pretty standard for bureaucracy in any country. Getting my Canadian Bachelor of Engineering recognized as a German equivalent degree cost 200 EUR and took 3 months. You'll also need one biometric (passport) photo, which if you use a machine at any of the train stations will cost around 6 EUR. You can use the remaining 5 photos for things like getting a German driver's license, health card, etc. I paid ADAC around 40 EUR to "translate" my Canadian driver's license into German, and then around 50 EUR to exchange it for a German Führerschein. Total visa/admin cost for a comparable life in Germany: 450 EUR Now, I have spent around 3000 EUR for language courses over the past several years, but I'm getting pretty fluent in German, so I'd consider it money well spent. If you were more self-motivated I'm sure you could study the language by just getting the textbooks and watching YouTube videos.
- bwooceli 10y agoThere's more to it than just sour grapes, there are minorities legitimately concerned about what their future in America looks like, would not be surprised if they made up a decent chunk of the visitors to that site.
- mrfusion 10y agoIs this really feasible for Americans? Is it hard to get citizenship? Would double taxation kill you?
- vivekd 10y agoI say we Canadians build a wall and make America pay for it.
- juliend2 10y agoAs a Canadian, I want to say that the great country that is the United States absolutely needs democrat voters more than ever. So PLEASE stay home for the democracy in your country.
- SixSigma 10y agoWhat poor risk analysis on behalf of voters. Same happened at Brexit. Businesses suddenly reacting to what had happened rather than being prepared for something they had known was a possibility for months if not years.
- zxcvvcxz 10y agoSerious question - why doesn't anyone talk about moving to Mexico? It's a lot warmer...
- s0me0ne 10y agoI believe it takes like 5 yrs for citizenship anyway, I remember hearing something like that back in 2005
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