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rewiuoeriouf
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
In that case I'll hold off on buying an EV until these new, futuristic and not at all crude vehicles get made. Hopefully by then, we'll have solved the problem of how to sustainably fuel both the manufacturing process and the fuel
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
>On the other hand it seems unlikely to me that auto manufactures would allow their portfolio to be so exposed. Yet here we are. >it's not like modern ICEs can be made for sale without quite a lot of advanced electronics. Indeed.
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
Interesting thing to think about, eh? I think we are going through a permanent shift in the availability of electronic components, and this idea will become more widespread (that is, the reliability of supply chains),
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
>This argument is only being made because widespread EV adoption is a new phenomenon and they are still a fraction of the market of ICE cars. No, it's being made because the manufacture of an EV and all of its component parts requir
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
>Electric motor controls have been around a very long time. Not in a format that is useful for EVs, there hasn't. Only recent developments in semiconductors have made it viable to design a motor controller that is very efficient acr
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
> The current wave of EVs are very early technologies The efficiencies of the various powertrain components are very high (eg, charging efficiency and motor controller efficiency). I really don't see how they can be improved by very
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
> people don't buy that People that typically buy new cars don't want that. Those of us who only buy second hand cars are stuck with their choices.
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
Getting any kind of performance and efficiency out of an electric motor requires a sophisticated controller, which is why development of EVs stalled for so long. Semiconductor tech has only recently progressed to a point that makes this via
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
>Which is why they were both invented around similar times. The ease with which you can make oil-based fuels convert chemical energy into mecahnical motion, is the reason that EV development largely stopped until quite recently. Efficien
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
That's an interesting argument. >Making vehicles that people don't want isn't sustainable From a business standpoint, yes. However, making unsustainable (and unobtainable) vehicles that people do want, at least keeps the
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
>That isn't really a worthwhile path to go down It sure is. Given a year in my garage, I bet I can make a more useful, power-converting device from scratch using internal combustion tech than using electronics. >I believe the fir
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
My bad, missed those. My point still stands - a dependency on electronics, and especially cutting-edge electronics, makes you dependendent on a complex and fragile global ecosystem.
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
All of the things you mention are electronics, which are at least (arguably) optional, or at least minimal, on an ICE. I am not saying an ICE is a better idea. I'm saying that an EV is, by some definition, unreliable from the drawing b
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
At least that is an option for a non-EV! Maybe Hyundai should work on a mechanical or otherwise analogue motor controller.
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
I understand the argument. What makes their trust-funded operation better than all the others? Do we just have to take their word that they are the morally superior trust fund baby? After all, that phrase is typically used as a slur against
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
I'm very curious why this statement is so unpopular. It's demonstrably true, at the current moment.
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
They get away with it, because the selected news stories fit the predisposed beliefs and biases of their readers. Just like all media. A related point - The Guardian makes much of the fact that they are funded by a trust fund, arguing that
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rewiuoeriouf
4y ago
When people talk about the "reliability" of EVs, I think that a hugely-overlooked aspect is the reliability of the supply chain (including engineering, design, and component supply). It's all very well having a fantastic desi