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noondip
11y ago
> fats and animal proteins are very healthy If so, why did Dr. Atkins die overweight with a history of heart attack, congestive heart failure and hypertension? Please, don't buy into the Atkins/low-carb/paleo hype - check
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noondip
11y ago
Carbs make your insulin go up, but so does protein; a steak will cause substantially higher insulin secretion than pure white table sugar. What you really want to be eating is a high-carbohydrate, high-fiber diet (whole plant foods, lots of
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noondip
11y ago
https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf is a good starting point.
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noondip
11y ago
Or, get your omega-3 from plant sources like flax and chia seed, and avoid eating fat-soluble industrial pollutants, like mercury and lead, found in fish.
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noondip
11y ago
The paper doesn't categorize low-fat vegan diets. The closest to it was recognized though: "only a Mediterranean dietary pattern was related to CHD in RCTs." (assuming saturated fat from meat was replaced with MUFAs or PUFAs)
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noondip
11y ago
You can't deny the fact certain foods, like processed meat, surely have a causal relationship to cancer, probably also heart disease and diabetes. As I've said before, the evidence against animal products and processed food in gen
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noondip
11y ago
Please, not Gary Taubes - see http://plantpositive.com/1-the-journalist-gary-taubes-1/ The second paper you've linked, the systematic review, is actually mostly in favor of a vegan diet. How does that raise questi
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noondip
11y ago
Likewise, except my recommendation for you is How Not to Die by Michael Greger, or just see http://nutritionfacts.org
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noondip
11y ago
> Perhaps they have several decades of counter-evidence They don't. At best, they are armed with a few dozen recent, biased, cherry-picked publications with illogical conclusions, which I'm happy to pick apart if anyone can act
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11y ago
Thank you and I apologize for offending you. Both of those studies are too small and too short. The second article even says, "questions remain about long-term effects and mechanisms," so it doesn't address my original concer
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11y ago
A few people discussing the website somehow invalidates it and its thousand-plus cited references? I don't think so.
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noondip
11y ago
There is a lot of damning evidence against eating animals and their products, yet none seems present against eating whole food, high-carb vegan. This much seems perfectly clear from scientific literature and has been for decades. The review
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11y ago
Sorry, what should I be looking at on there? If you want evidence for eating high-carb vegan over low-carb keto, read dietary guidelines from any non-profit nutritional or health authority. They all uniformly and strongly advise people away
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noondip
11y ago
This presentation conveniently forgot to mention the ill effects, like cardiovascular disease, diabetes and cancer, resulting as a consequence of getting "80% of your calories from fat" and just how unsustainable this way of eatin
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noondip
11y ago
The citations don't support your conclusion, and neither does the entire paper itself. At best, it shows whole olives are a healthy food to eat from time to time. How can you possibly reason extracting, refining, processing and heating
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noondip
11y ago
> Commissioned by the International Olive Council Okay, now I'm convinced you really are kidding.
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noondip
11y ago
> all the studies of olive oil consumption that show a net benefit from consuming it Well, where are they? I find it laughable how no one ever seems to be able to cite evidence exonerating unhealthy olive oil in these types of discussion
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noondip
11y ago
Well, can you explain how adding any saturated fat improves a meal, or not?
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noondip
11y ago
If the goal is to lose weight, the minimum which ought to be done is replacing fats (9 calories per gram) with carbohydrate (4 calories per gram). That's why eating a potato over nuts is recommended (not that you shouldn't eat nut
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11y ago
Firstly, it's mostly monounsaturated fats, which are not necessary in a diet. In order to justify pouring olive oil on a meal, it would have to be really nutrient dense, but nothing could be further from the truth.
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noondip
11y ago
> you dont need to start eating some other food to make up for the nutrients you arent getting. you can just cut starches out of your diet. If you cut out starches, you need to replace those calories with other food. If it isn't veg
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11y ago
Olive oil is NOT healthy. Can you explain how pouring saturated fat on a meal is supposed to improve it? Please show me where the consensus that olive oil is "good for you" is claimed to be reached.
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noondip
11y ago
That's talking about the cholesterol made in your liver - the only cholesterol you need.
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11y ago
> (good) oils Okay, I'll bite. What is a "good oil"? All oil is fat, and consuming fat causes serious health problems. The only "oil" you need are polyunsaturated fatty acids which occur naturally in whole vegeta
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11y ago
> spinach has more other nutrients per calorie Erm .. so? One can't survive on spinach alone, so I don't see this as a reason not to eat potatoes, or other starches. > im not going to turn potato into muscle, i will turn chi
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11y ago
> no cholesterol == no testosterone Complete nonsense. Cholesterol = animal products, which contain estrogen, which lower testosterone. You don't need cholesterol in a healthy diet, in fact it's completely antithetical to healt
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11y ago
What's wrong with potatoes? Why is getting calories from starch not ideal? Please link to peer reviewed research which supports these hypotheses.
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11y ago
> Who said? Every single civilization which has eaten predominantly carbohydrates, like root vegetables and rice, for all of human history. Stomach discomfort is caused by fiber, is common if you're coming off a meat-heavy diet, doe
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11y ago
> Vegetables are often relatively high in carbs but low in total calories Exactly, which is why you're supposed to be eating a lot of them. > I had two servings of corn with my steak, so the total meal was 760 calories, 33 g carb
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11y ago
You crave more because complex carbohydrates - starchy vegetables - are the food you're supposed to be eating. Have a look at Starch Solution by John McDougall, either the actual book or any videos on YouTube about it.
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