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iPhone 5c
- rodedwards 13y agoThat is a category killer cheap phone right there. EDIT: What makes it a category killer is the brand/price point combination.
- danieldk 13y agoI hope your are being ironic. 599 Euro in Europe is not a killer cheap phone. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone5c
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoThe iPhone 4S is a lot cheaper, it’s Euro 399. http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s http://store.apple.com/de/buy-iphone/iphone4s
- arrrg 13y agoAnd? That’s nothing new. Until today Apple sold the iPhone 4 for that price. They have been selling the two year old model for that price for a long time now.
- douglasisshiny 13y agoThe Nexus 4 16GB (the 8GB model is sold out) is $250.
- danieldk 13y agoThat's still expensive for a two year old phone. E.g. the Lumia 920 is being sold here for 289 Euro (32GB, great camera, 4.5" retina display).
- arrrg 13y agoSamsung’s flagship phone (S4) is €100 cheaper. This is not in any way, shape or form a cheap phone. It’s the iPhone 5 in a new case for €100/$100 less. That’s it.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoThe nexus 4 kills both in price currently, I think. It is quite important to is in markets where phone subsidies don't exist. Not to mention the Nokia 620, which is cheap (1700 RMB) but lacks the high res screen.
- corresation 13y agoJust speculating, but I would guess that the discounting will be hard and fast: Apple doesn't want to scare investors outright (there is a paranoia about any drop in the ASP, which has the longer-term effect of barring Apple from adapting to markets), but it is likely that Apple will do what is necessary to make this very price competitive. It will be interesting to see what the imminent Nexus 4/5 is going to bring. I suspect that it will dramatically improve on the terrible camera in the original Nexus 4.
- arrrg 13y agoApple will not compromise on this. Will not happen. I personally think it’s a completely appropriate price. All I wanted to make clear is that this is not a cheap phone. Doesn’t mean it’s an overpriced phone or somehow worse than the S4. I wanted to make its place in the market clear, that’s all.
- corresation 13y agoWhile I springboarded off of your comment, my comment is my own. And I absolutely think that Apple will "compromise" on this (where compromise apparently means "compete in the market"), and the whole "this is not cheap" line is absolute hubris that the Apple-sphere is inventing: This phone is designed to be cheaply manufactured, and you can be absolutely certain that Apple plans on doing what is necessary to maintain marketshare, and the price you see today has little to nothing to do with how it will be priced in China and elsewhere, or even in the US in a few months on no-contract plans.
- krschultz 13y agoThen what do you think about $199 for a smart phone that is in every way as capable? http://www.google.com/nexus/4/ http://www.google.com/nexus/4/
- gareim 13y agoTechnically $249 since they're out of the $199 8gb and have said that they don't plan on restocking.
- sahaskatta 13y agoThe 16GB Nexus 4 is just 45% the cost of the 16GB iPhone 5C. The new Nexus 5 will likely start at $300 as the Nexus 4or5 did when it first went on sale a year ago. I'm not sure what market the iPhone 5C is targeting. On contract, you might as well buy the 5S.
- gareim 13y agoI'm not disagreeing with you; I also think the Nexus line is a great buy off contract but that the iPhone is better subsidized ($400 value for $200 on contract or $650 value for $200? The Nexus 4 on contract was stupid). I'm excited about the Nexus 5, but if the rumors are true that it'll be based off the LG G2, I have a hard time seeing how it'll be offered for $300 when the G2 is the fastest phone on the market.
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- ulfw 13y agoJohnny Ive: "It's quite remarkable when something feels familiar and yet is new at the same time."
- baddox 13y agoIt looks surprisingly good. One could even argue it looks as good or better than the metal iPhone 5's. I am disappointed that the 5C isn't the free (subsidized) version though. The iPhone 4S is sticking around for that.
- rodedwards 13y ago4S is probably not long for this world. Right now, its filling a gap both in the product shelf (free) and in an amortization-of-development-costs schedule somewhere. Plus, it allows for some extra profit taking from the 5C for the moment as people eschew the 4S. I'll bet as 5C production ramps, the 4S goes away in X months. Its in Apple's long term best interests to get everyone on the same screen anyway...
- baddox 13y agoAre you suggesting that the base model 5C will become the free tier?
- rodedwards 13y agoYou bet -- in time, and depending on the contract, etc.
- graublau 13y agoAs a 4S owner, it's great news. Continued software support is nice...
- Pxtl 13y agoNot to mention the peripheral market needs to get onto the new port.
- rodedwards 13y agoHuh - I didn't realize the 4S still had the old port. Screen size and peripherals - 4S has to get phased out pretty quickly.
- antr 13y agoTime will tell, but for the sake of argument: at c. $550 for the unsubsidised version this is a very high price point for the "iPhone for emerging markets" argument. I'm just very curious to see the market expansion with this "lower" tier model.
- badman_ting 13y agoThis is meant to be the mid-tier phone, not the cheap phone
- douglasisshiny 13y agoAfter having purchased the Nexus 4, having to pay $550 for this phone seems insane.
- nvarsj 13y agoHaving owned a Nexus 4, it is really no comparison to the build quality of an iphone 4/5. It has amazing innards and the best mobile OS, but the case is cheap and fragile.
- fein 13y agoThe iPhone 4 had a glass back, bad example there.
- psbp 13y agoI've dropped my iPhone 4 dozens of times and it never broke the back. I dropped the Nexus 4 once and it cracked all the way down the back of the device. Nexus 4 is still a great device overall (especially for the price), but the iPhone build quality is seemingly worth the premium.
- douglasisshiny 13y agoI agree about the build quality / material. But having a nice case helps mitigate the differences.
- Le_SDT 13y agoApple breaking the scroll bar themselve? Could the site instead gives a real scroll bar experience on desktop and give this "tablet-style" scrolling experience to tablets/phones only?
- glesica 13y agoTurn off JavaScript and you can scroll with the arrows/page keys... but yeah, annoying.
- eCa 13y agoI can only scroll down once, to design. Guess someone forgot to test things. Win7/FF23
- w1ntermute 13y agoWindows and Firefox - two things most "cutting-edge" web developers have long since stopped caring about.
- michaelwww 13y agoWin8 here. Chrome, FF, and IE work beautifully with the mousewheel. Chrome/FF no scroll bar, IE has vert scrollbar.
- josteink 13y agoI honestly can't tell if that comment is meant ironic or not.
- eCa 13y agoSeriously? Ok. It's quite jerky on my 4S.
- w1ntermute 13y agoNope, it's fucked up in both cases.
- themstheones 13y ago
- _random_ 13y agoI am confused, is it iPhone 620 or Lumia 5c?
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoDid Nokia patent color?
- kennywinker 13y agoApple, 1999 - http://i.imgur.com/McRhNgK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/McRhNgK.jpg
- sgloutnikov 13y agoThey are already on it :) https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672 https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672
- markbao 13y agoAt the unlocked price of $550 for the iPhone 5c and $650 for the considerably-better iPhone 5s, it doesn't seem like there's a huge price gap here. I have doubts whether it'll sell that well as the mid-level smartphone. The 4s is $450, which is closer to the price point I would have expected.
- georgemcbay 13y agoThe price gap is in a way even worse subsidized because it is still just a $100 discount up front but the same price per month for the same contract length for a lesser phone. The 5C doesn't make much sense to me beyond people that really want more choice in the color of their phone.
- kennywinker 13y agoYou're forgetting how price sensitive people can be. I suspect it will do exceptionally well, even though the smart money is spent on the 5s.
- barake 13y agoMost people don't consider the true cost of a phone contract. They're only truly considering the up front cost - and a mid-range phone "costs half". It's really hard to get the average smartphone buyer to understand the price isn't $100 vs $200, but really $2500 vs $2600 over two years.
- ctdonath 13y agoIn the USA, considering the true cost of a phone contract is rather pointless because you can't get a contract that discounts monthly cost by buying the phone up front. You're going to pay the $2500 either way.
- pekk 13y agoYou're only going to pay $2500 if you plan to spend $104/mo. for one person. Is that a 'discount'? Of course not. If people spend that much, it is totally unnecessary. If you are going to budget $2500 for every two years, you could get an unlimited talk plan for $40/mo. and buy a $1540 phone every two years. If you put it to most people that they should buy a phone for $1500 every two years, they would think it was excessive.
- blairbeckwith 13y agoI really don't get the external case design. Seeing just a couple letters of "iPhone" through the holes in the case looks incredibly bad.
- DanitaBaires 13y agoI was thinking exactly that. I don't think Jobs with his extreme perfectionism would've let this come out to the market. It's so "un-Apple".
- general_failure 13y agoThere we go again with the Jobs reference.
- freehunter 13y agoThis is the man who wouldn't put a speaker hole in the case of his computer because it ruined the looks. He also called Google to have them change the color of their logo because it didn't fit with the iPhone style. With that in mind, would he have approved of holes in cases that only partially obscured the logo?
- mikeash 13y agoJust because it's been done before in a silly fashion doesn't mean this case is silly. You need something more detailed than just "People have talked about Jobs before about completely different things, so your reference is wrong."
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoWow yeah, that is very unlike Apple. Especially if you choose the same color case as your iPhone, the black letters really stand out. With case, it looks like ‘non’.
- gfodor 13y agoSince Jobs died there have been countless stupid things people have pointed to as evidence that Apple has changed since then. This is the first one I actually buy, this is the exact type of thing Jobs would have flipped the fuck out about.
- mullingitover 13y agoIt's cheaper to buy the 5S off contract at $650 and take it to Straight Talk ($45 a month AYCE data/minutes) than to buy the 5C and pay $100 a month at AT&T for two years.
- supercanuck 13y agowith no LTE and no MMS Text Messaging.
- mullingitover 13y agoLTE is overrated and not worth it since I spent about 98% of my life on wifi, and I haven't missed MMS because of iMessages.
- untog 13y ago> LTE is overrated and not worth it since I spent about 98% of my life on wifi Not worth it for you
- mullingitover 13y agoFair enough, I imagine there are some edge cases where paying half as much for cell service doesn't justify the marginally lower internet speeds during the occasions when wifi isn't around. It's definitely working out fantastically in my case.
- lh7777 13y agoWiFi works great for me at home and work since I control those networks. But finding & connecting to public hotspots is often a pain and my effort's frequently rewarded with a slow, unstable connection (even for paid ones). In my area, LTE isn't marginally faster, it's way faster than 3G. For me, it's absolutely worth the extra money. I really don't think having fast, hassle-free internet access on the go is an edge case. Isn't that one of the main reasons people buy smartphones?
- ekanes 13y agoNow with fingerprint sensor, so when the NSA politely asks Apple for it, they'll be able to send them your fingerprints, a log of all activity and voice print (siri). Such a cool technology (harder to steal phones), just wish it didn't come with this catch.
- lttlrck 13y agoSend all your fingerprints? How many fingers do you need to unlock your phone?
- ctdonath 13y agoI'd actually want it to have at least several fingerprints. Fingers get injured, bandaged, [shudder] removed...
- mikeash 13y agoOf all the vast quantities and kinds of data your phone could be reporting about you (all conversations held nearby, all e-mail, all passwords, etc.) my fingerprints are the least of my concerns.
- ranman 13y agoLooking at both the 5s and the 5c they definitely have some cool features but I don't know if it's really enough to prompt me to change from a regular 5. The fingerprint sensor seems like a very nice touch but I still don't see any NFC features (I guess apple isn't betting on this tech) which I love with the android phones. No wireless charging. I just really don't see a killer feature in this phone that makes me want to upgrade. Am I missing something?
- therandomguy 13y agoThey don't want you to upgrade. They know you will when 6 comes along. This is for people on "s" cycle.
- ScottWhigham 13y agoI don't think that you are in the target market. Apple is more on a two-year cycle than a one-year cycle. Those who switch year-to-year are pretty rare, I think.
- therandomguy 13y agoA $549 phone for developing markets. Seems like Apple is giving up on those markets.
- pekk 13y agoApple never tried for those markets, so nothing to give up. C64 vs. Lisa...
- hanifvirani 13y agoNokia tweeted this: https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672 https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672
- kennywinker 13y agoHuh, that image looks familiar.... Apple, 1999: http://i.imgur.com/McRhNgK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/McRhNgK.jpg
- iamshs 13y agoThe point of that image is to get eyeballs, Nokia sharing some mindspace with Iphone. Besides Nokia did it with polycarbonate.
- astral303 13y agoNokia is full of it here, it's not like Apple has never released multicolored versions of their products before: http://cdn.cnet.com.au/story_media/339291893/apple_ipod_2008_1.jpg http://cdn.cnet.com.au/story_media/339291893/apple_ipod_2008... http://images.apple.com/ipod-shuffle/images/hero1.jpg http://images.apple.com/ipod-shuffle/images/hero1.jpg http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/iPod_touch_34L_5Up_AllColors_NowPlaying_PRINT-580x478.jpg http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/iPod_tou...
- harrytuttle 13y agoTwo points: 1) Crayola got there before Apple did. 2) Rounded corners patent.
- TruthSHIFT 13y agoThey could also be pointing out that the device color matches the OS color. I'm pretty sure Apple has never done that before.
- salgernon 13y agoIn Mac OS 8, the 'yum!' Gestalt selector returned a value corresponding to the case color. The OS tinted based on this value (at least on first install.)
- mcormier 13y agoiPhone? Sorry I was a little distracted with the interesting HTML scrolling design for the page. It's very novel.
- gfodor 13y agoBefore people write off the price point lets wait and see what Apple is announcing tomorrow in China. I could imagine that the unlocked price is a red herring and most buyers will be getting it cheap with contracts on China Mobile.
- veesahni 13y agoDoes anybody but apple embedded quicktime on their site?
- AlexanderDhoore 13y agoI'm very disappointed with the price. 599 euros. Holy F. That's a lot of money. Wasn't it supposed to be cheaper? I guess it makes sense, profit margin-wise. But I was really hoping for a ~400 euro iPhone. That would have been something man... Instant panic at Samsung/Google/Microsoft. Too bad.
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoApple already sells a Euro 400 iPhone. Right now it’s the iPhone 4, later this month it will be the iPhone 4S. I doubt Apple will want to compete in the bottom of the market as there are too many phone manufacturers that are willing to sell phones at a loss.
- AlexanderDhoore 13y agoOk. Right... So the iPhone 5C isn't their 'cheap' phone at all. That makes more sense.
- gwright 13y ago> Wasn't it supposed to be cheaper? According to who? I find never-ending post-launch criticism of Apple products that fail to live up to random Internet rumors tiresome.
- pavlov 13y agoThere's a feeling of déjà vu about this product approach. Take yesteryear's technology, repackage it in a safe design that follows trends established by others, sell for a price that is more than twice what the competitors charge because, hey, you're Apple and your customers will happily pay for your increasing margins. At least this time around, the MBAs didn't get to name it "iPhone Performa 551c".
- Tloewald 13y agoCertainly your comment evokes deja vu -- same old criticism of Apple that is based on tired old characterizations from 15 years ago. I don't think there are any competitive phones available for half the price (there are certainly inferior phones available for half the price). I do think it's priced a bit high. I'm surprised it's not $50-100 cheaper. Maybe they have iPhone 4S inventory to get rid of (I don't understand why they're keeping an old phone with obsolete cables and screen format around otherwise).
- pavlov 13y agoIt's the kind of vintage criticism that didn't generally apply to products that Apple made in 2002-12. Look at the iPod nano. When it came out, it replaced the very popular iPod mini with a completely different design and internals, and the price was part of the surprise. It certainly didn't leave room for comments like "same old tech sold at higher margin, safe design borrowed from Samsung, twice the price of the Samsung Yepp."
- phamilton 13y agoNexus 4 is half the price, and I would not call that an inferior phone.
- mehrdada 13y agoI am a big fan of the Nexus 4, but it is objectively inferior: it lacks LTE, battery life is probably far worse, and it has worse screen than 5c (just look at the screen in sunlight and see the visible digitizer dots). Also, Nexus 4 pricing is the exception, not the rule.
- josteink 13y agoMashable's take on the iPhone 5C: http://mashable.com/2013/09/10/things-iphone-5c-looks-like/?utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner http://mashable.com/2013/09/10/things-iphone-5c-looks-like/?...
- AznHisoka 13y agoNo thanks Apple. I don't struggle to get my ass out of bed, go through a torturous 2 hour daily commute, sit on my ass and do something I dislike 8 hours a day to waste $500+ on a colorful iPhone.
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- kalleboo 13y agoSounds like you need a new job more than you need a new phone...
- Pxtl 13y agoSo, I assume the new iPod will be modeled after the 5c? Pushing the iPod 5 price up to $300 seemed like a bad move, hopefully the 5c-based iPod will get that price back down again. Then again, the phoneless-smartphone (pocket tablets? Media/app players?) market seems to have been eaten by tablets and cheaper smartphones, in spite of its popularity with the kids.
- saturdaysaint 13y agoUltimately, this is barely a tweak of their old strategy. This is last year's model, a little bit cheaper. Except now Apple has cheapened the cost while upgrading the battery and front facing camera. Mostly I see this targeting precisely the US customers that would buy the old iPhone in years past - people that aren't interested in the latest and greatest features very well might be induced to upgrade by a fun color that stands out from their friends's iPhones.
- dataminer 13y agoLots of disappointment on iphone 5c pricing, here is my theory. I think iphone 5c was never intended to match prices of android phones, it was created to allow Apple to expand its market share in Chinese market. From what is suggested in media, one of the reason Apple had a hard time getting China Mobile on board, was the high cost of subsidizing flag ship iphones. By creating a mid tier phone Apple may have been able to convince China Mobile to carry iphone. Tim Cook has been very bullish about Chinese market, and this move may turn out very well.
- kmfrk 13y agoThis idea is also supported by the livestreams available to an Asian audience.
- patrickg 13y agoiPhone 5c + 5s require 'nano sim'. What will be next? I still remember using a full size sim card (the left one here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/GSM_SIM_card_evolution.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/GSM_SIM_...)
- mikeash 13y agoThis is nothing new, as the 5 also takes a nano SIM.
- patrickg 13y agoThanks for the info, I am obviously far behind ...
- mikeash 13y agoApple's been continually pushing this issue. The original iPhone had a mini SIM, which is the one we generally think of as the standard size. The iPhone 4 moved to a micro SIM, which is the next smaller one depicted in your picture, and the 4S shared that. The 5 then went for the nano SIM. Presumably they're short enough on internal space that shrinking the SIM card actually makes some noticeable difference to them. The downside is that us users get to play games with getting (or cutting to size!) the right kind of SIM card for our particular model of phone. I recall talk of purely internal, reprogrammable "SIM cards", so maybe that's the next step for Apple.
- JTon 13y agoHa! I've never seen a full size sim card before.
- patrickg 13y ago... then you've probably never used this phone :) http://www.oebl.de/D-Netz/Geraete/Siemens/P1/P1.JPG http://www.oebl.de/D-Netz/Geraete/Siemens/P1/P1.JPG (IIRC this was the phone with the full size sim card)
- bdz 13y agoCan anyone explain to me that how can Apple make a 459 USD cellular iPad mini but not an iPhone? I guess they could go as low as 399 or 349. 549 is not cheap just cheaper. Btw that's more the fault of the tech journalists and sites, not Apple.
- jasomill 13y agoBecause the $549 price of the iPhone is typically subsidized, and can therefore command higher margins than the unsubsidized iPad without sacrificing too much volume?
- crystaln 13y agoLots of people complaining about the lack of innovation. What exactly were you expecting? A fingerprint sensor, which will almost certainly replace passwords on every application once the API is exposed seems pretty innovative. A chip dedicated to tracking movement for health / fitbit apps seems innovative. A dual flash and other camera improvements is solid. Smartphones are maturing. We might expect a holographic displays, non-touch 3d manipulation, tactile feedback, amorphous shapes, projectors, etc. in future versions. However the technology and battery life are not there yet. Apple is somewhat behind in OS usability - particularly around notifications and inter-app communication. Everyone wants to be wowed, and is bitching and moaning about the lack of innovation - yet has no ideas or suggestions for what Apple could do. Personally I don't want much more out of my iPhone other than solidifying the hardware and interface improvements.