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Fork My Dongle
- citizenkeys 14y agoI am considering linking to this on ycuniverse.com because it uses TeeSpring.com. However, the shirt doesn't seem available in ladies' sizes. Given the cause, I would think you'd want to make the shirt available in ladies' sizes. Can you enable that option?
- Finbarr 14y agoOh I'm sorry about that. I thought that Teespring would give users the option to select whichever size they wanted. I'm creating a new page for a women specific shirt size.
- Finbarr 14y agoI created a campaign for a women's shirt. Will add a link to the site in a moment: http://teespring.com/forkmydonglew http://teespring.com/forkmydonglew
- citizenkeys 14y agoIf you could somehow merge the two campaigns, then you'd be able to reach your goal faster. I know the Watsi.org campaign somehow offered both regular and ladies' sizes ( http://teespring.com/hntees http://teespring.com/hntees ). There wasn't a way to add the ladies' sizes to the original campaign?
- Finbarr 14y agoGreat idea! We were able to do this - both campaigns now on one page!
- jennyjenjen 14y agoI already ordered a men's shirt. Could I perhaps trade in and get a women's shirt?
- jennyjenjen 14y agoOh, nevermind! I think I bought a different shirt :)
- Finbarr 14y agoI've now added the women's shirt to the website. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. http://forkmydongle.com/ http://forkmydongle.com/
- drucken 14y agoI love the idea and who it sponsors. Own it!
- jpxxx 14y agoIs purchasing said T-shirt explicitly financially supporting Girls Who Code?
- drucken 14y agoGood point. Dongle is a funny word. Buy this shirt and support Girls who Code. 100% of profits will be donated to charity. I suppose that "charity" could be clarified a little better.
- Finbarr 14y agoWe intend to give the money to Girls Who Code. In the event that they do not accept the money we'll look for another charity that supports women in tech.
- pravda 14y agoAs a man, let me state that the phrase Fork My Dongle makes me a wee bit uncomfortable.
- andrewkreid 14y agoI am uncomfortable with the implied support for out of date hardware copy protection practices.
- nicedongle 14y agoForking is Funny! We have another option: https://teespring.com/DongleGate https://teespring.com/DongleGate
- nbouscal 14y agoI find this one to be much more amusing, and also isn't somewhat inaccurate like the other. Good stuff.
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- pud 14y agoConsidered buying it. But "fork my dongle" isn't, technically, a thing. So I'd feel kinda like a poser wearing it -- like "look, I'm a l33t haxor!" who got it wrong. Or like ones of those Chinese tattoos that doesn't actually mean anything in Chinese. Or like one of those action movies with bogus hacking scenes ("enhance!"). Or like someone wearing an Iron Maiden shirt from Urban Outfitters who's never actually heard the band. Sigh. Sorry be "that guy."
- vacri 14y agoReminded me of the /etc/bus http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The__0x2f_etc_0x2f_bus.aspx http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The__0x2f_etc_0x2f_bus.aspx
- antidaily 14y agoExactly. It's just a reference to an unfortunate series of events that won't be worth explaining in a month. Make it 'Fork My Repo' and I'm a buyer.
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- nicedongle 14y agoWe got your back quite literally: https://teespring.com/DongleGate https://teespring.com/DongleGate
- clicks 14y agoSo, to be clear, unlike submitted link's teespring payment arrangements (100% of proceeds will be donated to Girls who Code), 100% of proceeds on your link will be going to your pocket. Not knocking on you, just making it clear you hold no affiliation to the 'Girls who Code' organization as well.
- nicedongle 14y ago
- zethraeus 14y agoSeems a little mean spirited - even if for a good cause and all.
- nicedongle 14y agoHah, I'm going for the humor, does that help? http://teespring.com/DongleGate http://teespring.com/DongleGate
- kaonashi 14y agoIn fact, that seems to be the entire point: to be mean spirited and obviate any responsibility by claiming to support a charity.
- Finbarr 14y agoThere was really no intention to be mean spirited. The idea was just to shift the focus onto something relevant. Girls Who Code is a great cause. There's no need to buy a shirt to donate.
- kaonashi 14y agoShift the focus by putting the original tasteless remarks that started the whole ordeal on a t-shirt? Sorry, but I'm skeptical.
- Finbarr 14y agoAFAIK we haven't quoted the original remarks and the phrase on the shirt is a nonsensical paraphrase of what was said. Part of the intention was to neutralize the words. Really, it's just a bit of fun and the best outcome would be to raise some money for women in tech.
- taligent 14y agoReally, it's just a bit of fun and the best outcome would be to raise some money for women in tech. Yes. You're doing a wonderful thing to advance the cause of women in technology. I am sure women will be out in droves dying to buy this shirt.
- niggler 14y agoI'm surprised no one pointed out the fact that marsupials actually have bifurcated genitalia.
- clubhi 14y agoThose marsupials have it all...
- etchalon 14y agoSo I just bought one, but am now regretting it. You need to make it clear "Girls Who Code" has nothing to do with this shirt. "We intend to give the money to Girls Who Code. In the event that they do not accept the money we'll look for another charity that supports women in tech." While I firmly stand on the side of the poor bastard who got fired for making a simple joke, I find it distasteful that a bunch of guys would design a shirt making fun of the situation and then donate the money the a charity that "supports women in tech." If Girls Who Code actually made the design, it'd be different. Instead, this feels mean-spirited.
- vacri 14y agoKaren Cheng appears to be a woman. Or are you using 'guys' in the gender-neutral sense?
- etchalon 14y agoI was sort of using it in the "As best I can tell, all these people are dudes", sense. Like, Finbarr is a dude. If there's a girl involved, maybe that's less terrible. And yes, I realize how ridiculous that is, but that's just kinda how these things work.
- icambron 14y ago> And yes, I realize how ridiculous that is, but that's just kinda how these things work. Maybe they work that way in the common view of things, but if you think it's ridiculous, then why do you think it? You get to decide.
- anaheim 14y agoUnless you work for PlayHaven, in which case you will be fired if you show up at work wearing that :)
- geelen 14y agoWow. Did you guys miss the point or what.
- eksith 14y agoAnd this, folks, is how you make lemonade. Though I'm a bit cautious as to what percentage of the proceeds are actually going toward the cause as I'm weary of another product already being sold with a dubious cost benefit. Cookies.
- tzs 14y agoSpeaking of dongles in a funny context, Googling for dongle jokes turned up this pretty funny comedy sketch from a show on the BBC where dongles play a small part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
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- collypops 14y agoYou're a bit behind in the news. It looks like things will work out OK for the guy [1], and the girl did get fired [2]. As a footnote, public shaming was how we got into this mess in the first place, so I wouldn't wish that on anyone. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 [2]: http://blog.sendgrid.com/a-difficult-situation/ http://blog.sendgrid.com/a-difficult-situation/
- downandout 14y agoApparently I am. That's what I get for being offline for a few hours.
- warmwaffles 14y agosources please.
- nicedongle 14y agoDo you have a link explaining the guys situation? Thanks in advance!
- RMacy 14y agothat already happened
- mattbarrie 14y agoEntrepreneurship 101
- DannoHung 14y agoFuck anyone who buys this. Adria did a real mean thing in response to some juvenile jokes, but this is the real fucking problem and if someone got shamed for this, they'd deserve it.
- akanet 14y agoThis seems like a disproportionate response to what is, at worst, an inappropriate joke tshirt.
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- paulwithap 14y agoHow is this the real problem? To me, it seems like the solution. The whole situation is absolutely ridiculous and sounds like a scene from a third grade classroom. To accuse these guys of encouraging sexism or whatever you're implying is akin to accusing Stephen Colbert of spreading anti-intellectualism. Part of being a mature adult in 2013 is having the ability to not be offended by silly, immature humor. The childish response is to cry and tattle.
- josephagoss 14y agoGet shamed for this? Sometimes I feel I live in a different world to the people in this forum. Even my feminist friends would have no problem with this stuff, its all a bit funny. What did Linus say? "I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended" I like that quote, why? Because some people get offended too easily which makes everyone's life a little harder. I think maybe Adria wanted to be the center of attention, and she was on a "Joan of Arc" mission which is a little self-involved. Wouldn't you agree? At the end of the day, it was a joke, you people in the tech community need to lighten up, everyone is so serious here. You should come to Australia and have some fun, although you will probably get offended.
- stcredzero 14y ago> I like that quote, why? Because some people get offended too easily which makes everyone's life a little harder. As a general principle, this doesn't work quite well enough. It gets one by well enough most of the time, with only a small failure rate. Those can be real doozies, though. Eventually, you will meet someone who you will offend and didn't get offended too easily. No one is perfect or knows everything, after all. But if one is well intentioned and stays cool, it will probably work out in the end.
- philwelch 14y agoI love this. Finally someone is treating the situation with exactly the right tone. Quoth PG, from "What You Can't Say": Best of all, probably, is humor. Zealots, whatever their cause, invariably lack a sense of humor. They can't reply in kind to jokes. They're as unhappy on the territory of humor as a mounted knight on a skating rink. Victorian prudishness, for example, seems to have been defeated mainly by treating it as a joke. Likewise its reincarnation as political correctness. "I am glad that I managed to write 'The Crucible,'" Arthur Miller wrote, "but looking back I have often wished I'd had the temperament to do an absurd comedy, which is what the situation deserved."
- stcredzero 14y agoThere's been plenty of humor by cruel people perpetrating injustices. They thought it was genuinely funny at the time. Sometimes, a bit more time has to pass before things can be laughed off. Zealots are known for absolutist positions. An absolutist position on laughter is as much a potential big mistake as most other absolutist positions. There's no substitute to being aware of your surroundings and being open to others and the moment.
- derleth 14y ago> There's been plenty of humor by cruel people perpetrating injustices. They thought it was genuinely funny at the time. Yes. Exactly. And there is no hard-and-fast rule to determine what kind of humor perpetrates injustices, because, frankly, it is up to every single individual who hears the joke. And that's scary, especially when people think that normal socializing behaviors can all of a sudden get them fired and nobody's told them what the new rules are. Because, as I said, there really are no new rules. So use an old rule: Common courtesy. Giving people the benefit of the doubt. Treating other people as stupid human beings. Yes, "stupid". More offense is caused by stupidity than actual malice. Of course, if you find that the other person really is being malicious, knock them down with a righteous wrath and tell us all about it afterwards.
- stcredzero 14y ago
- Yver 14y agoGonna end up in debacle, like that "Enhance your PHPness" tshirt.
- jnxfgf456 14y agoWhy should I care? Why support girls who code? Do girls need special treatment? Is someone preventing them from writing code? I couldn't care less if no girl ever wrote another line of code. Code either works or it doesn't. There's no grey area. No "affirmative action" for code. Who cares who writes it?
- zw123456 14y agohttp://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/dongle/ http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/dongle/ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dongle http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dongle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle interesting to see the various origins and definitions.
- chetanahuja 14y agoWow... How did HN become a den of self-righteous, humorless self-flagellation. Someone tried to do something funny after all the overheated rhetoric of the past of couple of days along with introducing a clever bit of entrepreneurship in the process. Whether you'd buy the shirt or not (I won't) at least try to appreciate the initiative and cheekiness.
- rmrfrmrf 14y agoSome of us are still shellshocked after receiving numerous death threats and having our inboxes spammed with pictures of dismembered infants. Maybe waiting one fucking hot minute would be in order?
- georgeorwell 14y agoHi rmrfrmrf. I went through your recent comments. By and large, they're highly inflammatory. Ease off on the vitriol and your life might get a bit easier. To be precise, these are the comments that I find inflammatory: > Because anti-woman and anti-black hate groups are trying to game HN with mass account creation and upvote spam. > SendGrid would have come out stronger from weathering the storm as a defender and promoter of women in tech. Instead, they're giving in to terrorism. Anyone feeling a sense of relief out of this situation is out of their mind. > I hope she sues the shit out of them and gets enough money to spend the rest of her life advocating for women in tech without fear of retaliation. > No, this situation is the worst thing for women in tech. I can't begin to imagine the waves of misogyny that're about to run rampant through the tech community knowing that any woman who speaks out will be fired. > Please take your special snowflakery elsewhere. > No. (without explanation) > In other words, it's OK if men do it, but not if a woman does it. (which was a complete non sequitur) > I can't even begin to explain how fallacious this argument is. (without explanation, and it wasn't fallacious) > Is it really that hard to act like a professional adult while you're at work? The simplest solution is to simply stop telling penis jokes at work. > Still unfunny and tasteless. Imagine that. > Really? All it says to me is that people in the tech field are so against a woman standing up for herself that they're actually willing to bring down the company she works for. It's disgusting. > (cont.) Will you also feel schadenfreude when they hack her bank account? > I bet he won't make the same mistake again. Perhaps we're all so used to going through the 6 month HR-slap-on-the-wrist process that we have lost touch of what it actually takes to change a person's behavior. (supporting mr-hank getting fired) > Thank you -- all of these hate-laden comments are making me lose my mind. > Since when is Twitter the same thing as a professional conference? Why are the majority of the commenters on HN completely missing the point? > She @-replied pycon staff. Compare that to the HN and Reddit communities out for Adria's head. > "We're not choosing your company because we believe in the right for men to tell dick jokes." > (cont.) I'd quickly e-mail back: "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." > Thank you, Adria, for fighting the good fight. I hope that the voices of support for you drown out the rampant hate that you're receiving. Seems like HN turns into a complete shithole the second a woman "has the nerve to choose to be offended" or whatever bullshit these misogynist assholes peddle. > (cont.) The benefit that I always see from situations like this is that it empowers the women who, in the past, have been too nervous to call people out on their shit. Just know that you're doing amazing work and are paving the way to creating an environment of gender equality.
- karenxcheng 14y agoHi, I designed the shirt. I didn't intend for this to come off as mean spirited. There have been overreactions on both sides of this whole mess. We made this shirt because we believe that it's okay to laugh at potty humor and support women in tech at the same time. Also I do want to make it clear that we are not affiliated with Girls Who Code, we just support their cause.
- icambron 14y agoFWIW, I think it's great. One of the things that bugged me about this whole sordid business was the crazy and untrue implication that women are too dainty to handle off-color jokes, or that if you think they're funny, then you're against women in tech. I think this is an appropriate and reasonable, not to mention fun, response.
- derleth 14y ago> the crazy and untrue implication that women are too dainty to handle off-color jokes Which is sexist, and I can't see how others can't see how sexist it is. It is pure, straight-up middle-class Victorian bullshit of the kind first wave feminists fought against. It's the idea that women are not naturally sexual beings until they're corrupted by the cruder, more physical men, and the related idea that women are naturally more pure in thought and deed than men. This leads directly into the Madonna-Whore complex and every evil, stupid, petty thing that flows from it. Real humans shit. Real humans sweat. Real humans fuck, and make love, and occasionally forget the difference between the two, and act like idiots because of it. Real humans are strange, flawed, hormonal animals from the day we're born to the day we die, and there are no exceptions. Making exceptions in your mind means putting the person you're making the exception for into a non-human category. It is literally dehumanizing, and, yes, I am using the word 'literally' in its literal sense. There are no gods. There are no monsters. There are just people, however scary and wonderful that is.
- cwp 14y agoBravo. This is one of a very, very few enlightening comments in this whole mess.
- hurfdurferson 14y agoI've got a good idea for a shirt: White 24-point Impact on black background: "I am a male geek! I look a lot like a grown-ass human male. Just don't tell me I can't make dick jokes in public venues. I might have to threaten you with rape and murder!".
- trhtrsh 14y agoLabelling one "Women's" and the other "Men's" is incredibly sexist, stereotypic, demeaning, and body-dismorphic.
- INTPenis 14y agoI couldn't agree more, the only thing that would make me rage even further was if the girls shirt was pink and the boys shirt was blue.
- laichzeit0 14y agoor if the men's sizes were bigger than the woman's sizes. how extremely sexist to not offer the same sized shirt for both sexes. disregard biology we want equality at all costs.
- Finbarr 14y agoThere was originally only one shirt that was not identified as male or female. One of your fellow commenters asked if there was a female version of the shirt available, hence the inclusion of a shirt with that description. The "men's" shirt is a standard American Apparel cut. The "women's" shirt was described as such by teespring and seems to have been designed for a smaller framed human. Women should feel free to order the "men's" shirt and vice versa.
- MrScruff 14y agoI took trhtrsh's comment as sarcasm. If not then I think people have officially lost their minds and we may need to reboot the internet.
- stcredzero 14y agoSo long as Nimoy has a cameo, the majority should be fine with it.
- happywolf 14y agoI want to say the following even if I will be down-voted to negative infinitum: This case is just fucked up. Two guys exchanged some silly benign jokes. Is it silly? Yes. Childish? Yes. But, harmful? Detrimental to younger generation of coders? Excuse me, I am totally against sexual-harassment in any form, but I won't regard that conversation between friends as one. Having someone fired over this is way off IMHO.
- iagomr 14y agoTaking advantage of an inoffensive joke to start a battle for feminism is very hypocrite if I might say. Sexual harassment is not hearing a dirty joke in someone's private conversation! What should actual victims of sexual abuse think about such drama queens?
- tiziano88 14y agoContext?
- DigitalSea 14y agoWonderful idea out of an unfortunately bad and highly public situation. I'll buy this for the charity aspect, but doubt I would wear it though. I feel bad for the guy who lost his job because of this situation who has a wife and 3 kids to support. Supporting Girls Who Code is a noble cause, but I'd love to see some support for the guy who lost his job and has a family. The fact nobody seems to care about that part in this fiasco, that doesn't sit well with me.
- SideburnsOfDoom 14y agoI am totally failing to see how this helps resolve this whole mess. Seems like it's just making matters worse.
- joezydeco 14y agoAgree. And it just lacks class. As much as I understand the situation that created this shirt, this isn't the way to advance to a usable solution.
- koala_advert 14y agoCan someone please tell me what this whole "mess" is? Apparently I've completely missed whatever happened.
- tgrass 14y agoGood to know this on the FrontPage of HN. I was wondering how the community could say, "hey, we heard some women are offended by sexually implicit humor, and we think a professional environment should be sexualized,so we're just going to let it all hang out and if you care at all, go fork yourself." </sarc>
- datums 14y agoLet's not make this OK. How is this supporting anything ? It was offensive and still is. Here is why some males think it's a funny word. Slang; see penis. Often used to describe a large penis, it can also be used to describe a "average-sized" one or a small one.
- Frostbeard 14y agoA childish sense of humour is not the exclusive domain of men, fwiw.
- datums 14y agoYou're right. That was a broad stroke.
- milesokeefe 14y agooffensive != wrong
- clavalle 14y agoCan I be the first to say...the situation is over? Please, can we get back to technology and the business of technology and leave the drama behind? This t-shirt is silly. It represents and extension of a moment in time I'd rather not waste cycles remembering.
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- charlieok 14y agoFunny, given all the insanity of the past week, that this hasn't caused much of a stir in all the years github has been around: http://shop.github.com/products/fork-you-shirt-mens-medium http://shop.github.com/products/fork-you-shirt-mens-medium I also remember having a laugh over their “fork queue” feature, which has since been spring-cleaned. https://github.com/blog/270-the-fork-queue https://github.com/blog/270-the-fork-queue
- guilt 14y agohttps://github.com/guilt/nicedongle https://github.com/guilt/nicedongle Everyone is welcome to Fork this repo without getting offended.