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I've been using it for several months since the developer beta came out; overall I'm extremely positive on it. One of their better releases that seemingly focus

I've been using it for several months since the developer beta came out; overall I'm extremely positive on it. One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features. Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet. The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. The same issues they've "fixed" like three or four releases now, seemingly are identically broken, and I'm lost faith they CAN fix it. The iOS Keyboard and Search on Windows, are like the perpetually broken things that both companies have "fixed" every year for the last ten+ years and yet... It is almost farcical as this point.

kccqzy 10d ago
Sure I feel that the Apple bundled apps are better, the design is better, but frankly Golden Gate broke more third-party apps than Tahoe did, including some third-party apps where I had an old perpetual license and had not updated for many years.
swinglock 12d ago
How is the keyboard broken? Maybe I'm so used to whatever it is that I'm blind to it.
- mathisfun123 12d ago
  try using swipe-type on an android and you'll see. the funny thing is it's been this way since the iphone 1 because iphone 1 didn't have swipe-type while very early android did (via "swype").
- __patchbit__ 12d ago
  macOS has the prior keycombo for 'home' and 'end' occupied for other uses. command + up/down arrow I don't know how to read to the bottom of a webpage and jump immediately to the top of page. Plus, the global key at bottom left fails for keyboard shortcut input when defining new binding for managing windowing rearrangement.
  - deleted 12d ago
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  - gabagool 12d ago
    Your specific usecase has a native solve. Tap the status bar on any scrollable content view to scroll immediately to the top of the page. This has been around since, I believe, iPhone OS 1.
    - semiquaver 12d ago
      Tap? With your fingers?
  - wpm 11d ago
    Command+up arrow and down arrow behave exactly as you say on my computer: like home and end do on PC/Linux. Command left and right for how it also behaves on Linux/PC if you're in a text field. They always have? I use that combo all the time and only have issues in Safari tabs that overload the arrow keys with bullshit.
  - stavros 11d ago
    Command + up/down is pg up/pg dn. Command + left/right is home/end.
- devindotcom 12d ago
  I personally use the swiping keyboard on ios and it seems to detect the wrong word with an almost malicious frequency. It also randomly Capitalizes things.
  - devilbunny 12d ago
    For some reason, the one word that it just will not let me swipe is “and”. Which is, you know, somewhat common. I get all kinds of random things instead.
    - ok_dad 12d ago
      and -> Abe for me for some reason.
      - eep_social 11d ago
        you most likely have an Abe in your contacts, I don’t have an Abe but have a similar issue with a last name from mine. the behavior sort of makes sense if I squint and crane my neck around a bit but I have no idea how the weightings are so bad.
    - neutronicus 12d ago
      "ABs"
      - devilbunny 11d ago
        That is common. The one that I haven’t seen lately is “Abbas”, like the Palestinian politician. Except, I don’t ever write about Middle Eastern politics. At all. But it was a favorite for a while.
    - dash2 12d ago
      I can't do "is". I get "OSS" instead. I'm not even that into open source.
      - 11d ago
- visarga 12d ago
  (adjacent to keyboard) It has no way to select all text. That makes the whole platform a toy.
  - vjvjvjvjghv 12d ago
    It used to be there but a few releases ago the option disappeared.
- shreddit 12d ago
  Each time you type the wrong letter there’s a big chance you didn’t miss but the keyboard typed the wrong key anyway.
  - Macha 12d ago
    Would have been totally gaslit by my iPad on this only I have an android phone to compare my typing accuracy on.
  - Gigachad 11d ago
    Have to wonder how often you hit the wrong letter and the keyboard corrects it to what you actually wanted though.
- neutronicus 12d ago
  It's unclear to me if they're alleging that it's recently broken. I switched to iPhone at my wife's insistence 3-4 years ago and I have pined for Swype the entire time. It's so bad and I was spoiled by Android.
  - WalterGR 12d ago
    What do you find lacking in iOS’s swipe keyboard implementation?
    - Macha 12d ago
      Poor word choices. Backwards "corrections" that are incorrect.
    - neutronicus 12d ago
      I can't comment knowledgeably. I just regularly have to try over and over again to get it to produce the word I want, and my memory is that this happened rarely on Android. Wait! I do have a specific criticism! There are certain two-word sequences it will not produce ("kill myself", "white women") and I could do without that little bit of editorial oversight thank you very much.
      - rootusrootus 12d ago
        And expletives. If I want to say fuck, that's my business, I don't need my phone refusing to allow it. If not for how embedded I am right now in the ecosystem, this keyboard & vocabulary behavior they force on me might be enough to make me switch.
        phoghed 11d ago
        Swipe keyboard has given up and let’s me type fuck now
      - quasarj 11d ago
        Yep, there's a whole set of censored phrases. Kill won't let you type a lot of things after it, including "him" and "her" (well, I haven't tested on iOS 27 yet). I haven't tried the white woman one though, that is cracking me up. update: Okay I tried and sure enough, I'm laughing even harder now. The closest I could get it to swipe was "womanhood". Lots of Wohan's though.
- Agingcoder 12d ago
  Try an android keyboard and go back to an iphone. Having switched back and forth between both systems it’s quite remarkable how bad the iphone keyboard is. In practice , typing on an iphone means constant typos, bad autofix, and bad suggestions.
  - teekert 12d ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685
  - vladvasiliu 12d ago
    I used to have galaxy S phones with some aftermarket keyboard whose name I forget. It was quite popular at the time, and was fairly happy with it. When I moved from a gs5 to an iPhone 7, I was amazed at how much better the typing experience was. But it has now gotten to a point where I feel like a drunk monkey would type better than I do.
  - ronyeh 11d ago
    Yay, I found my people… I switch between Android and iPhone every few cycles, and I really do miss my swipe keyboard on Android. iPhone swipe and tap keyboard always gives me trouble. I hate that it keeps trying to type my contacts’ names. Also, text selection OSS frequently maddening. Yes, I swiped “is” and it decided I’m a fan of open source software… When I try to select some words or position my cursor, iOS always wants to put the cursor far away from where I held my finger. Doesn’t make a lick of sense.
  - rahoulb 11d ago
    As someone who has had an iPhone since the 3GS (I'm so old), but tries Android out every now and then - I can wholeheartedly agree. The only real advantages iOS have left are not being run by an advertising/tracking company (which is reducing as Apple looks for services revenue) and the quality and variety of indie iPhone and iPad apps (yet Apple are happy to make those same devs extremely unhappy).
  - meyum33 11d ago
    I would actually go one step further and claim that typing has not come back to the speed and accuracy of Blackberry and Nokia phones with physical keyboard. It's taking so long that we may actually destroy humanity with AI before we have fast and accurate keyboards again.
- schainks 12d ago
  1. Auto-correct inserts the wrong words into my sentences despite correct spelling and grammar. Think, "what a ducking joke". This has suddenly gotten better recently when it comes to typos, though. 2. The keyboard's AI will also helpfully misinterpret key presses and sub the wrong letter, which doesn't get corrected. For example, common acronyms get corrected to other acronyms I _never_ use. FFS turns into FFA regularly.
- sippeangelo 12d ago
  They have some nasty "dynamic tap zones" algorithm that dynamically resizes the hitbox for keys based on what it predicts you will type in order to reduce miss-taps. Anecdotally, it has just steadily been getting worse with every update. I swear I can be pressing the center of a key and it will select the next one over and immediately autocorrect to a completely different word than what I typed. I had the pleasure of typing something on an Android the other day and it was such a breath of fresh air when it actually accepted the keys I was pressing...
  - GreekPete 12d ago
    Ah, so that’s why that happens? I was gaslighting myself.
    - laweijfmvo 12d ago
      someone posted high speed videos a few months ago where the keyboard will popup the key you thought you pressed (therefore did press, as far as the UI is concerned) but iOS will insert a different character anyway.
      - teekert 12d ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685
      - robocat 12d ago
        Some of those videos are misleading. They sometimes slide a finger off one key onto another: taps need to not move. Personally, I use the slyde to type rather than tapping to type and have gboard installed for when slyde doesn't work (I think the Apple algos are not quite as good as Google's).
    - lynndotpy 12d ago
      Yep; this has been the case since the very first iPhone, it can't be disabled, and there is no feedback it happens other than the typos. It is very crazy making and mind boggling.
- kovariantenkak 12d ago
  Typing German and Swiss German is entirely broken while English is fine on the Swiss German keyboard layout. It very often registers the wrong key even though a slow motion video shows very clearly that the finger hits the correct key initially.
- pyaamb 12d ago
  I really need the spacebar to expand slightly more on the right so my thumb doesn't miss it while typing. Wish it were customizable.
  - misnome 12d ago
    This is the “dynamic key area” in action
  - hosteur 12d ago
    This! So many times have I hit one of the keys in the row above space. I think this might actually be caused by them resizing the hitbox because I am not that fat-fingered.
- Macha 12d ago
  The best way to put it is it really wants to type what it wants to type, and if you deviate from that it will often end up just ignoring it. Whether it's the dynamic tap zones as mentioned elsewhere, or just auto correcting backwards and changing words you've already typed. Also when you go back and change a word it will also often insert additional spaces around the changed word. Or worse still if you mistype a word like say banana then backspan to ban and retype ana, it will display banana... Until you hit space and it turns it into "ban ana".
- gruturo 12d ago
  I have an English/Italian bilingual keyboard set up as my default. Every single f**n time I begin a sentence with "È" (Italian for "she/he/it is") - which is an extremely deliberate gesture - you have to keep the E tapped until the accents pop up - it will immediately correct it back to an unaccented "E". It's nuts. There is a metric ton of intent behind my selecting, keeping tapped, waiting for the accents, picking one - it's so obviously NOT accidental, and this utterly cretinous piece of junk changes it .
  - prmoustache 12d ago
    Can't "autocorrect" be replaced to "autosuggest" instead like on android devices? I have never been fan of autocorrection tools (especially as I am regularly writing in 4 different languages) regardless of the OS but definitely use autosuggestions to correct potential spelling errors.
    - layer8 11d ago
      It can. I don’t understand how anyone willingly keeps autocorrect enabled on iOS. The autosuggestions are nevertheless still bad.
      - Pulcinella 11d ago
        The iPhone keyboard "intelligent" tap target size is independent of autocorrect, however, and you can't turn it off or adjust it's behavior.
        layer8 11d ago
        Yes, the keyboard is pretty bad in various ways. I’m still surprised how many comments in this thread (and similar threads in the past) are mentioning the autocorrection, implying that they haven’t turned it off.
        Macha 11d ago
        Largely because the auto correction is needed to undo the damage caused by the tap target shenanigans.
- DrammBA 12d ago
  https://youtu.be/hksVvXONrIo https://youtu.be/hksVvXONrIo - [It's Not Just You - The iOS Keyboard is Broken]
- rconti 11d ago
  I know the autocorrect is broken -- I consistently hit a bottom row character like "n" instead of spacebar, and it's simply unable to comprehend that you might have hit a letter instead of space. It comes up with all kinds of insane, implausible suggestions for the autocorrect, but never the obvious one that's 1 character from what i typed.
  - drewbeck 11d ago
    Yes! The way it tries to be smart about what you actually wanted to press but has certain areas that are exceptions to that rule — like space bar — drives me crazy.
  - thiht 11d ago
    Oooh that's what's happening! I sometimes end up with garbage like "so ' I'll" instead of, say, "someone" and I wondered how it happened.
- willis936 11d ago
  I am so very glad to see all of my complaints with ios text entry so thoroughly articulated in this thread. My first thought with the iphone duo is "how many people are going to develop a repetitive stress injury with these awful text entry interfaces and giant heavy devices?" Typing is more important than ever. We're a ways off from BCIs and there should be responsible and serious consideration for this problem.
- saimiam 11d ago
  "O can" instead of "I can" on the iPhone is the one which has been driving me bonkers for at least a couple of years now.
- thth 11d ago
  While we're complaining about the iOS keyboard, I just want a number row.
nick_ 12d ago
I too feel the keyboard is broken but I haven't identified exactly what is broken about it.
- brainzap 12d ago
  its when you type it wrong two times, and then slowly type it. Then it works.
DerDerDaIst 12d ago
re keyboard: i don't get how the keyboard on the iphone can be so broken. meanwhile the small keyboard on the ipad works like a charm. or am i the only one experiencing it like this?
- eldenbishop 12d ago
  I was starting to think I was getting old and senile with how hard typing has become on the iPhone. It's a misery. I have to type so insanely slow to have any chance of getting the right keys now. I don't have this issue on other virtual keyboards, iPad etc.
  - Melatonic 11d ago
    Turn off Swipe or Slide or whatever they call it now in the keyboard settings
eslaught 12d ago
What's better about it in your usage?
MarkSweep 12d ago
If the iOS keyboard is broken in terms of auto correct suggestions, try resetting its dictionary. I found it was much improved after that.
OptionOfT 12d ago
I had issues with the Siri Beta. I would ask it to open the garage door, and often it just... failed. Un-enrolling from the beta fixed it.
- akho 11d ago
  — Open the garage door, Siri. — I'm sorry, OptionOfT. I'm afraid I can't do that.
saturn8601 12d ago
Any improvements to voice to text? I use iPhone 13 Mini and so keyboard has always been hard to type on. But voice to text..man..it is an absolutly miserable experience that I wish I could swap out for any other competitor. I normally don't complain that iOS/MacOS isn't customizable because the defaults are good enough to work for me but that voice to text man its like they completely forgot about it.
- phoghed 11d ago
  I use it constantly and it mostly works well for me since as long as I can remember. My biggest gripe with it is all the random ass commas it puts.
- ilamont 12d ago
  Hear hear. The insistence upon prioritizing names in my extensive contacts list as well as certain geographic names leads to so many unnecessary manual edits.
- aschobel 12d ago
  i’ve been using the beta for a few months now, and the speech to text is significantly better. Put in parentheses using apple speech to text Some stuff, as you can see, isn’t perfect :-) I don’t think it is parakeet v2 level, but it’s good enough to not be frustrating
- coder543 12d ago
  There is also a new, larger voice to text model available... but not for an old iPhone like the 13 mini. Only like the iPhone 17 Pro and above. The best workaround is a third party app that lets you run Parakeet V3 or Whisper on your phone. There are quite a few.
  - matthewfcarlson 12d ago
    It’s by far the best speech to text I’ve ever used so I’m a fan
    - 11d ago
wycy 12d ago
> Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet. I really wish we could add our own custom prompts for the new Siri. My most common usage of Siri is "Remind me at XX:00 to do XYZ." The most common response from Siri now is, "Sorry, did you say XYZ or XZY?", where XYZ and XZY are two very similar things between which the difference is inconsequential. Dealing with this "Sorry" response has made reminders take annoying extra steps. Wish I could throw in a "If I'm setting a reminder and you don't quite hear me, just put both things in one reminder and I'll figure it out myself" to the prompt.
asaddhamani 12d ago
In my experience new Siri has been better only marginally. Still tons of I didn’t understand the query responses
- gralab 12d ago
  Marginally better? What kind of queries are you giving it? It's obviously not as capable as GPT, etc, but it's leaps and bounds better than the old Siri. There's no question about that.
  - spiderice 11d ago
    Meh, I don't think it's so clear cut. It's so much worse than the AI that all of us are used to using, that's it's not worth using as AI. And it's now much slower at the few tasks it used to be good at (phone calls, timers, etc..) So while yes, I would say overall it is much more powerful than it used to be, it still sits in the "every few reasons to use it" bucket for me. I'd sooner just reach for Grok/Chat/Claude edit: keep in mind this is my experience over several months of beta. I haven't installed the public release yet.
  - asaddhamani 11d ago
    I don’t recall exact queries. What I do remember is giving a demo of the developer beta to friends thinking it’s gotten much closer to ChatGPT and it embarrassing me. And being much slower, requiring a gesture at the top of the screen to dismiss etc just made me deactivate Apple Intelligence. It’s embarrassing in 2026 for Apple.
- pants2 11d ago
  In my experience the new Siri is marginally worse for everything that I used to use Siri for. It's much slower to respond. It asks for obnoxious classifications. It doesn't know that when I say "call Mike" I mean the Mike I call every day vs the other Mike in my contact I have never called in my life. It defaults back to Apple products for everything, old Siri knew I liked Spotify but now if I ask it to play a song it will complain about my Apple Music subscription. I could go on.
mchusma 12d ago
Apple's search is so comically bad. For example, I can click on my applications, and I have an app called Chess. I can often type letters C-H-E-S-S and have it not show the Chess app. This is inside the applications folder! Many people have complained before. Honestly I ONLY search for app names in spotlight search or application window, it should be trivial to make it actually work. Maybe i just need to vibecode some alternative search bar :(
- MeetingsBrowser 12d ago
  A common one I hit is "blu" showing bluetooth settings, but "blue" does not. Very frustrating to see the thing you are hoping for popup, but then go away as you type more if its name.
  - vladvasiliu 12d ago
    Windows does this, too. So I really wonder how come two companies implemented the same borked behavior.
    - jareklupinski 12d ago
      that space is probably sold to the same ad network by both OSs
    - WD-42 11d ago
      It would be interesting to learn what over engineered solution to fuzzy string matching is being used here to exhibit this behavior, so we never make the same mistake.
    - selcuka 11d ago
      Android keyboard does that too. When I start typing my email address, for example, the keyboard app suggests the correct email after a few characters, but if I keep typing it disappears from the suggestions.
      - 11d ago
tonymet 11d ago
Is Gemini-backed siri active ?
carabiner 11d ago
Wait what was so bad about siri before? I've been using it for years on homepod, asking it for weather and setting timers.
- davidee 11d ago
  I realise this is a joke, but I have to pile on. Even weather was/is comically bad. Ask it anything specific and it would fall over, repeating the broadest, least helpful version of weather data, even if all that data is clearly available in the ios weather app. Specifics on wind, precipitation hourly, etc. So no, you can't really ask a homepod for the weather either - Homepod's weather was more like a shitty version of sticking your head outside and looking up at the sky.
bonestamp2 11d ago
> The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. Jeez. I wish they could just roll the keyboard back to iOS 7. That's the last version where it was good.
taurath 11d ago
How’s messages? Oh still 2008?
codesnik 11d ago
one day we'll find out they have only one QA person on the team which develops keyboard among other things, and they have comically alien fingers.
- kyleee 11d ago
  doubtful, I am sure they fired QA long ago
eshack94 11d ago
Would you say that it's ready for prime-time on a developer machine?
jonhohle 11d ago
It’s really sad, because they mostly aped search from BeOS and had best in class search for a decade or so. Now indexing frequently breaks or works when an external disk is not attached, but won’t find local files after it’s connected.
- diskzero 11d ago
  It is sad, and as one of the several former BeOS employees who went to Apple to add our experience to OSX, I can say that most of us have moved on. This isn't to say that others can't do what we did; they certainly should be able to. The OSX team back then was much smaller and we all had a maniacal attention to detail. One reason is that we were micromanaged by Steve J. and did lengthy weekly reviews with him and he was direct and brutal. He wasn't always right, but he did have the final say. This is all gone and even though Steve Lemay (now head of UX) was there during this time, he was also present during the overall rot of the user experience.
  - smallstepforman 11d ago
    Hi Pavel. I remember your work on Eddie and Tracker and Queries. Do you still follow the development of Haiku (even if infrequently)?
  - ncr100 11d ago
    Cool. Now that we are living in The Future, I am dumbfounded how e.g. dynamically populated lists change their content reliably to something I did not want, during the phase of interaction where my finger is descending onto the target. Click! Not what I want. Feels like a lost art which will be "discovered" again in the next 15 years.
  - 72deluxe 11d ago
    Are you the man who helped work on the new Apple file system / spotlight after working on BeOS' filesystem? If so, thanks!
    - jonhohle 11d ago
porsager 11d ago
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pier25 11d ago
The keyboard on iOS is so frustrating.
baby 11d ago
in the mean time Android has full gemini from a button click :(
punnerud 11d ago
"""One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features.""" - Compared to a lot of others, this one have introduced more bugs than I have ever experienced in more than 10 years. I have stopped submitting bugs because of the tedious bug reporting app, only submit really bad ones. Can't they give some helping functions to finding the correct categories based on problem description?
- ShinyLeftPad 11d ago
  Compared to ios 26?
  - punnerud 7d ago
    Yes
flohofwoe 11d ago
One pretty bad regression is that the Spotify client now from time to time has pretty bad audio glitches on my M1 Pro Mac (of course this may end up as a typical fingerpointing issue, e.g. whether the bug is in macOS or in Chromium - but it definitely regressed from macOS 26 to 27). Otherwise macOS 27 is mostly okay-ish though, especially compared to 26.
- eptcyka 11d ago
  I see the same happening on iOS, but on Plexamp. I wonder if this is a shared subsystem or some weird JS bug.
whywhywhywhy 11d ago
Search on Mac has been very broken for a while, whatever they use to get the text results from files just can’t handle code, one node_modules folder and that list will just be hundreds of JavaScript files no matter what you type.
ransom1538 11d ago
Siri: "Sorry I don't understand"
zuppy 11d ago
me: siri, turn off the lights everywhere. siri: do you mean livingroom, […] or everywhere? i rest my case. i can reproduce this every time. siri is the biggest pos software apple ever made (followed closely by the ios keyboard).
- drewg123 11d ago
  Every other morning I get out of the shower to my wife cussing out siri because it can't handle the simple task of snoozing an alarm...
canes123456 11d ago
What is the issue with the iOS keyboard? The support for third party keyboards is garbage but the default keyboard is reliable for me. Search is horrible on iOS and Mac though
thiht 11d ago
> Siri is definitely worth using now Just tried it this morning after my shower: - Siri, what's the weather like? - I don't know where you are - ... use the the geolocation?? - You need to unlock first So yeah, still unusable to me even for the most basic shit
- dmonitor 11d ago
  This sounds like some kind of conflict with your privacy settings
- FireBeyond 11d ago
  The first part of this one is more hilarious when you ask "Find me the nearest Starbucks" while CarPlay is actively providing you navigation: "I'm sorry, I don't know your location".

kccqzy 10d ago

Sure I feel that the Apple bundled apps are better, the design is better, but frankly Golden Gate broke more third-party apps than Tahoe did, including some third-party apps where I had an old perpetual license and had not updated for many years.

swinglock 12d ago

How is the keyboard broken? Maybe I'm so used to whatever it is that I'm blind to it.

mathisfun123 12d ago
try using swipe-type on an android and you'll see. the funny thing is it's been this way since the iphone 1 because iphone 1 didn't have swipe-type while very early android did (via "swype").
__patchbit__ 12d ago
macOS has the prior keycombo for 'home' and 'end' occupied for other uses. command + up/down arrow I don't know how to read to the bottom of a webpage and jump immediately to the top of page. Plus, the global key at bottom left fails for keyboard shortcut input when defining new binding for managing windowing rearrangement.
- deleted 12d ago
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- gabagool 12d ago
  Your specific usecase has a native solve. Tap the status bar on any scrollable content view to scroll immediately to the top of the page. This has been around since, I believe, iPhone OS 1.
  - semiquaver 12d ago
    Tap? With your fingers?
- wpm 11d ago
  Command+up arrow and down arrow behave exactly as you say on my computer: like home and end do on PC/Linux. Command left and right for how it also behaves on Linux/PC if you're in a text field. They always have? I use that combo all the time and only have issues in Safari tabs that overload the arrow keys with bullshit.
- stavros 11d ago
  Command + up/down is pg up/pg dn. Command + left/right is home/end.
devindotcom 12d ago
I personally use the swiping keyboard on ios and it seems to detect the wrong word with an almost malicious frequency. It also randomly Capitalizes things.
- devilbunny 12d ago
  For some reason, the one word that it just will not let me swipe is “and”. Which is, you know, somewhat common. I get all kinds of random things instead.
  - ok_dad 12d ago
    and -> Abe for me for some reason.
    - eep_social 11d ago
      you most likely have an Abe in your contacts, I don’t have an Abe but have a similar issue with a last name from mine. the behavior sort of makes sense if I squint and crane my neck around a bit but I have no idea how the weightings are so bad.
  - neutronicus 12d ago
    "ABs"
    - devilbunny 11d ago
      That is common. The one that I haven’t seen lately is “Abbas”, like the Palestinian politician. Except, I don’t ever write about Middle Eastern politics. At all. But it was a favorite for a while.
  - dash2 12d ago
    I can't do "is". I get "OSS" instead. I'm not even that into open source.
    - 11d ago
visarga 12d ago
(adjacent to keyboard) It has no way to select all text. That makes the whole platform a toy.
- vjvjvjvjghv 12d ago
  It used to be there but a few releases ago the option disappeared.
shreddit 12d ago
Each time you type the wrong letter there’s a big chance you didn’t miss but the keyboard typed the wrong key anyway.
- Macha 12d ago
  Would have been totally gaslit by my iPad on this only I have an android phone to compare my typing accuracy on.
- Gigachad 11d ago
  Have to wonder how often you hit the wrong letter and the keyboard corrects it to what you actually wanted though.
neutronicus 12d ago
It's unclear to me if they're alleging that it's recently broken. I switched to iPhone at my wife's insistence 3-4 years ago and I have pined for Swype the entire time. It's so bad and I was spoiled by Android.
- WalterGR 12d ago
  What do you find lacking in iOS’s swipe keyboard implementation?
  - Macha 12d ago
    Poor word choices. Backwards "corrections" that are incorrect.
  - neutronicus 12d ago
    I can't comment knowledgeably. I just regularly have to try over and over again to get it to produce the word I want, and my memory is that this happened rarely on Android. Wait! I do have a specific criticism! There are certain two-word sequences it will not produce ("kill myself", "white women") and I could do without that little bit of editorial oversight thank you very much.
    - rootusrootus 12d ago
      And expletives. If I want to say fuck, that's my business, I don't need my phone refusing to allow it. If not for how embedded I am right now in the ecosystem, this keyboard & vocabulary behavior they force on me might be enough to make me switch.
      - phoghed 11d ago
        Swipe keyboard has given up and let’s me type fuck now
    - quasarj 11d ago
      Yep, there's a whole set of censored phrases. Kill won't let you type a lot of things after it, including "him" and "her" (well, I haven't tested on iOS 27 yet). I haven't tried the white woman one though, that is cracking me up. update: Okay I tried and sure enough, I'm laughing even harder now. The closest I could get it to swipe was "womanhood". Lots of Wohan's though.
Agingcoder 12d ago
Try an android keyboard and go back to an iphone. Having switched back and forth between both systems it’s quite remarkable how bad the iphone keyboard is. In practice , typing on an iphone means constant typos, bad autofix, and bad suggestions.
- teekert 12d ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685
- vladvasiliu 12d ago
  I used to have galaxy S phones with some aftermarket keyboard whose name I forget. It was quite popular at the time, and was fairly happy with it. When I moved from a gs5 to an iPhone 7, I was amazed at how much better the typing experience was. But it has now gotten to a point where I feel like a drunk monkey would type better than I do.
- ronyeh 11d ago
  Yay, I found my people… I switch between Android and iPhone every few cycles, and I really do miss my swipe keyboard on Android. iPhone swipe and tap keyboard always gives me trouble. I hate that it keeps trying to type my contacts’ names. Also, text selection OSS frequently maddening. Yes, I swiped “is” and it decided I’m a fan of open source software… When I try to select some words or position my cursor, iOS always wants to put the cursor far away from where I held my finger. Doesn’t make a lick of sense.
- rahoulb 11d ago
  As someone who has had an iPhone since the 3GS (I'm so old), but tries Android out every now and then - I can wholeheartedly agree. The only real advantages iOS have left are not being run by an advertising/tracking company (which is reducing as Apple looks for services revenue) and the quality and variety of indie iPhone and iPad apps (yet Apple are happy to make those same devs extremely unhappy).
- meyum33 11d ago
  I would actually go one step further and claim that typing has not come back to the speed and accuracy of Blackberry and Nokia phones with physical keyboard. It's taking so long that we may actually destroy humanity with AI before we have fast and accurate keyboards again.
schainks 12d ago
1. Auto-correct inserts the wrong words into my sentences despite correct spelling and grammar. Think, "what a ducking joke". This has suddenly gotten better recently when it comes to typos, though. 2. The keyboard's AI will also helpfully misinterpret key presses and sub the wrong letter, which doesn't get corrected. For example, common acronyms get corrected to other acronyms I _never_ use. FFS turns into FFA regularly.
sippeangelo 12d ago
They have some nasty "dynamic tap zones" algorithm that dynamically resizes the hitbox for keys based on what it predicts you will type in order to reduce miss-taps. Anecdotally, it has just steadily been getting worse with every update. I swear I can be pressing the center of a key and it will select the next one over and immediately autocorrect to a completely different word than what I typed. I had the pleasure of typing something on an Android the other day and it was such a breath of fresh air when it actually accepted the keys I was pressing...
- GreekPete 12d ago
  Ah, so that’s why that happens? I was gaslighting myself.
  - laweijfmvo 12d ago
    someone posted high speed videos a few months ago where the keyboard will popup the key you thought you pressed (therefore did press, as far as the UI is concerned) but iOS will insert a different character anyway.
    - teekert 12d ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45662685
    - robocat 12d ago
      Some of those videos are misleading. They sometimes slide a finger off one key onto another: taps need to not move. Personally, I use the slyde to type rather than tapping to type and have gboard installed for when slyde doesn't work (I think the Apple algos are not quite as good as Google's).
  - lynndotpy 12d ago
    Yep; this has been the case since the very first iPhone, it can't be disabled, and there is no feedback it happens other than the typos. It is very crazy making and mind boggling.
kovariantenkak 12d ago
Typing German and Swiss German is entirely broken while English is fine on the Swiss German keyboard layout. It very often registers the wrong key even though a slow motion video shows very clearly that the finger hits the correct key initially.
pyaamb 12d ago
I really need the spacebar to expand slightly more on the right so my thumb doesn't miss it while typing. Wish it were customizable.
- misnome 12d ago
  This is the “dynamic key area” in action
- hosteur 12d ago
  This! So many times have I hit one of the keys in the row above space. I think this might actually be caused by them resizing the hitbox because I am not that fat-fingered.
Macha 12d ago
The best way to put it is it really wants to type what it wants to type, and if you deviate from that it will often end up just ignoring it. Whether it's the dynamic tap zones as mentioned elsewhere, or just auto correcting backwards and changing words you've already typed. Also when you go back and change a word it will also often insert additional spaces around the changed word. Or worse still if you mistype a word like say banana then backspan to ban and retype ana, it will display banana... Until you hit space and it turns it into "ban ana".
gruturo 12d ago
I have an English/Italian bilingual keyboard set up as my default. Every single f**n time I begin a sentence with "È" (Italian for "she/he/it is") - which is an extremely deliberate gesture - you have to keep the E tapped until the accents pop up - it will immediately correct it back to an unaccented "E". It's nuts. There is a metric ton of intent behind my selecting, keeping tapped, waiting for the accents, picking one - it's so obviously NOT accidental, and this utterly cretinous piece of junk changes it .
- prmoustache 12d ago
  Can't "autocorrect" be replaced to "autosuggest" instead like on android devices? I have never been fan of autocorrection tools (especially as I am regularly writing in 4 different languages) regardless of the OS but definitely use autosuggestions to correct potential spelling errors.
  - layer8 11d ago
    It can. I don’t understand how anyone willingly keeps autocorrect enabled on iOS. The autosuggestions are nevertheless still bad.
    - Pulcinella 11d ago
      The iPhone keyboard "intelligent" tap target size is independent of autocorrect, however, and you can't turn it off or adjust it's behavior.
      - layer8 11d ago
        Yes, the keyboard is pretty bad in various ways. I’m still surprised how many comments in this thread (and similar threads in the past) are mentioning the autocorrection, implying that they haven’t turned it off.
        Macha 11d ago
        Largely because the auto correction is needed to undo the damage caused by the tap target shenanigans.
DrammBA 12d ago
https://youtu.be/hksVvXONrIo https://youtu.be/hksVvXONrIo - [It's Not Just You - The iOS Keyboard is Broken]
rconti 11d ago
I know the autocorrect is broken -- I consistently hit a bottom row character like "n" instead of spacebar, and it's simply unable to comprehend that you might have hit a letter instead of space. It comes up with all kinds of insane, implausible suggestions for the autocorrect, but never the obvious one that's 1 character from what i typed.
- drewbeck 11d ago
  Yes! The way it tries to be smart about what you actually wanted to press but has certain areas that are exceptions to that rule — like space bar — drives me crazy.
- thiht 11d ago
  Oooh that's what's happening! I sometimes end up with garbage like "so ' I'll" instead of, say, "someone" and I wondered how it happened.
willis936 11d ago
I am so very glad to see all of my complaints with ios text entry so thoroughly articulated in this thread. My first thought with the iphone duo is "how many people are going to develop a repetitive stress injury with these awful text entry interfaces and giant heavy devices?" Typing is more important than ever. We're a ways off from BCIs and there should be responsible and serious consideration for this problem.
saimiam 11d ago
"O can" instead of "I can" on the iPhone is the one which has been driving me bonkers for at least a couple of years now.
thth 11d ago
While we're complaining about the iOS keyboard, I just want a number row.

nick_ 12d ago

I too feel the keyboard is broken but I haven't identified exactly what is broken about it.

brainzap 12d ago
its when you type it wrong two times, and then slowly type it. Then it works.

DerDerDaIst 12d ago

re keyboard: i don't get how the keyboard on the iphone can be so broken. meanwhile the small keyboard on the ipad works like a charm. or am i the only one experiencing it like this?

eldenbishop 12d ago
I was starting to think I was getting old and senile with how hard typing has become on the iPhone. It's a misery. I have to type so insanely slow to have any chance of getting the right keys now. I don't have this issue on other virtual keyboards, iPad etc.
- Melatonic 11d ago
  Turn off Swipe or Slide or whatever they call it now in the keyboard settings

eslaught 12d ago

What's better about it in your usage?

MarkSweep 12d ago

If the iOS keyboard is broken in terms of auto correct suggestions, try resetting its dictionary. I found it was much improved after that.

OptionOfT 12d ago

I had issues with the Siri Beta. I would ask it to open the garage door, and often it just... failed. Un-enrolling from the beta fixed it.

akho 11d ago
— Open the garage door, Siri. — I'm sorry, OptionOfT. I'm afraid I can't do that.

saturn8601 12d ago

Any improvements to voice to text? I use iPhone 13 Mini and so keyboard has always been hard to type on. But voice to text..man..it is an absolutly miserable experience that I wish I could swap out for any other competitor. I normally don't complain that iOS/MacOS isn't customizable because the defaults are good enough to work for me but that voice to text man its like they completely forgot about it.

phoghed 11d ago
I use it constantly and it mostly works well for me since as long as I can remember. My biggest gripe with it is all the random ass commas it puts.
ilamont 12d ago
Hear hear. The insistence upon prioritizing names in my extensive contacts list as well as certain geographic names leads to so many unnecessary manual edits.
aschobel 12d ago
i’ve been using the beta for a few months now, and the speech to text is significantly better. Put in parentheses using apple speech to text Some stuff, as you can see, isn’t perfect :-) I don’t think it is parakeet v2 level, but it’s good enough to not be frustrating
coder543 12d ago
There is also a new, larger voice to text model available... but not for an old iPhone like the 13 mini. Only like the iPhone 17 Pro and above. The best workaround is a third party app that lets you run Parakeet V3 or Whisper on your phone. There are quite a few.
- matthewfcarlson 12d ago
  It’s by far the best speech to text I’ve ever used so I’m a fan
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wycy 12d ago

> Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet. I really wish we could add our own custom prompts for the new Siri. My most common usage of Siri is "Remind me at XX:00 to do XYZ." The most common response from Siri now is, "Sorry, did you say XYZ or XZY?", where XYZ and XZY are two very similar things between which the difference is inconsequential. Dealing with this "Sorry" response has made reminders take annoying extra steps. Wish I could throw in a "If I'm setting a reminder and you don't quite hear me, just put both things in one reminder and I'll figure it out myself" to the prompt.

asaddhamani 12d ago

In my experience new Siri has been better only marginally. Still tons of I didn’t understand the query responses

gralab 12d ago
Marginally better? What kind of queries are you giving it? It's obviously not as capable as GPT, etc, but it's leaps and bounds better than the old Siri. There's no question about that.
- spiderice 11d ago
  Meh, I don't think it's so clear cut. It's so much worse than the AI that all of us are used to using, that's it's not worth using as AI. And it's now much slower at the few tasks it used to be good at (phone calls, timers, etc..) So while yes, I would say overall it is much more powerful than it used to be, it still sits in the "every few reasons to use it" bucket for me. I'd sooner just reach for Grok/Chat/Claude edit: keep in mind this is my experience over several months of beta. I haven't installed the public release yet.
- asaddhamani 11d ago
  I don’t recall exact queries. What I do remember is giving a demo of the developer beta to friends thinking it’s gotten much closer to ChatGPT and it embarrassing me. And being much slower, requiring a gesture at the top of the screen to dismiss etc just made me deactivate Apple Intelligence. It’s embarrassing in 2026 for Apple.
pants2 11d ago
In my experience the new Siri is marginally worse for everything that I used to use Siri for. It's much slower to respond. It asks for obnoxious classifications. It doesn't know that when I say "call Mike" I mean the Mike I call every day vs the other Mike in my contact I have never called in my life. It defaults back to Apple products for everything, old Siri knew I liked Spotify but now if I ask it to play a song it will complain about my Apple Music subscription. I could go on.

mchusma 12d ago

Apple's search is so comically bad. For example, I can click on my applications, and I have an app called Chess. I can often type letters C-H-E-S-S and have it not show the Chess app. This is inside the applications folder! Many people have complained before. Honestly I ONLY search for app names in spotlight search or application window, it should be trivial to make it actually work. Maybe i just need to vibecode some alternative search bar :(

MeetingsBrowser 12d ago
A common one I hit is "blu" showing bluetooth settings, but "blue" does not. Very frustrating to see the thing you are hoping for popup, but then go away as you type more if its name.
- vladvasiliu 12d ago
  Windows does this, too. So I really wonder how come two companies implemented the same borked behavior.
  - jareklupinski 12d ago
    that space is probably sold to the same ad network by both OSs
  - WD-42 11d ago
    It would be interesting to learn what over engineered solution to fuzzy string matching is being used here to exhibit this behavior, so we never make the same mistake.
  - selcuka 11d ago
    Android keyboard does that too. When I start typing my email address, for example, the keyboard app suggests the correct email after a few characters, but if I keep typing it disappears from the suggestions.
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tonymet 11d ago

Is Gemini-backed siri active ?

carabiner 11d ago

Wait what was so bad about siri before? I've been using it for years on homepod, asking it for weather and setting timers.

davidee 11d ago
I realise this is a joke, but I have to pile on. Even weather was/is comically bad. Ask it anything specific and it would fall over, repeating the broadest, least helpful version of weather data, even if all that data is clearly available in the ios weather app. Specifics on wind, precipitation hourly, etc. So no, you can't really ask a homepod for the weather either - Homepod's weather was more like a shitty version of sticking your head outside and looking up at the sky.

bonestamp2 11d ago

> The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. Jeez. I wish they could just roll the keyboard back to iOS 7. That's the last version where it was good.

taurath 11d ago

How’s messages? Oh still 2008?

codesnik 11d ago

one day we'll find out they have only one QA person on the team which develops keyboard among other things, and they have comically alien fingers.

kyleee 11d ago
doubtful, I am sure they fired QA long ago

eshack94 11d ago

Would you say that it's ready for prime-time on a developer machine?

jonhohle 11d ago

It’s really sad, because they mostly aped search from BeOS and had best in class search for a decade or so. Now indexing frequently breaks or works when an external disk is not attached, but won’t find local files after it’s connected.

diskzero 11d ago
It is sad, and as one of the several former BeOS employees who went to Apple to add our experience to OSX, I can say that most of us have moved on. This isn't to say that others can't do what we did; they certainly should be able to. The OSX team back then was much smaller and we all had a maniacal attention to detail. One reason is that we were micromanaged by Steve J. and did lengthy weekly reviews with him and he was direct and brutal. He wasn't always right, but he did have the final say. This is all gone and even though Steve Lemay (now head of UX) was there during this time, he was also present during the overall rot of the user experience.
- smallstepforman 11d ago
  Hi Pavel. I remember your work on Eddie and Tracker and Queries. Do you still follow the development of Haiku (even if infrequently)?
- ncr100 11d ago
  Cool. Now that we are living in The Future, I am dumbfounded how e.g. dynamically populated lists change their content reliably to something I did not want, during the phase of interaction where my finger is descending onto the target. Click! Not what I want. Feels like a lost art which will be "discovered" again in the next 15 years.
- 72deluxe 11d ago
  Are you the man who helped work on the new Apple file system / spotlight after working on BeOS' filesystem? If so, thanks!
  - jonhohle 11d ago

porsager 11d ago

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pier25 11d ago

The keyboard on iOS is so frustrating.

baby 11d ago

in the mean time Android has full gemini from a button click :(

punnerud 11d ago

"""One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features.""" - Compared to a lot of others, this one have introduced more bugs than I have ever experienced in more than 10 years. I have stopped submitting bugs because of the tedious bug reporting app, only submit really bad ones. Can't they give some helping functions to finding the correct categories based on problem description?

ShinyLeftPad 11d ago
Compared to ios 26?
- punnerud 7d ago
  Yes

flohofwoe 11d ago

One pretty bad regression is that the Spotify client now from time to time has pretty bad audio glitches on my M1 Pro Mac (of course this may end up as a typical fingerpointing issue, e.g. whether the bug is in macOS or in Chromium - but it definitely regressed from macOS 26 to 27). Otherwise macOS 27 is mostly okay-ish though, especially compared to 26.

eptcyka 11d ago
I see the same happening on iOS, but on Plexamp. I wonder if this is a shared subsystem or some weird JS bug.

whywhywhywhy 11d ago

Search on Mac has been very broken for a while, whatever they use to get the text results from files just can’t handle code, one node_modules folder and that list will just be hundreds of JavaScript files no matter what you type.

ransom1538 11d ago

Siri: "Sorry I don't understand"

zuppy 11d ago

me: siri, turn off the lights everywhere. siri: do you mean livingroom, […] or everywhere? i rest my case. i can reproduce this every time. siri is the biggest pos software apple ever made (followed closely by the ios keyboard).

drewg123 11d ago
Every other morning I get out of the shower to my wife cussing out siri because it can't handle the simple task of snoozing an alarm...

canes123456 11d ago

What is the issue with the iOS keyboard? The support for third party keyboards is garbage but the default keyboard is reliable for me. Search is horrible on iOS and Mac though

thiht 11d ago

> Siri is definitely worth using now Just tried it this morning after my shower: - Siri, what's the weather like? - I don't know where you are - ... use the the geolocation?? - You need to unlock first So yeah, still unusable to me even for the most basic shit

dmonitor 11d ago
This sounds like some kind of conflict with your privacy settings
FireBeyond 11d ago
The first part of this one is more hilarious when you ask "Find me the nearest Starbucks" while CarPlay is actively providing you navigation: "I'm sorry, I don't know your location".