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Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?
by LargeWu 13d ago
Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?
- LargeWu 13d agoDownvote if you want, but this is a very relevant question. If their marketing is to be believed, they would be eating their own dog food. This very analog to the Meta executives who won't let their own kids near social media.
- aschobel 13d agothere seems to be a massive negativity to any comment on this story. Andolabs has been doing super interesting stuff, and I’ve always followed Vend Bench with interest. as a founder it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster.
- LargeWu 13d agoThere's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off. First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.
- renanoliveira0 13d ago> Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should. Why exactly should what you think the world should look like determine what other people are allowed to build?
- SolderSlut 13d agoI don't think we should build gas chambers for doing genocide. That doesn't determine what other people are allowed to build, of course, but I kind of wish it did.
- PierceJoy 13d agoPeople’s bullshit detectors have gone off on the launch of basically every single billion dollar tech company. That’s the downside of being early. No one believes it will work. If everyone believed it, you’re late. I’m sure I could find a comment such this, basically verbatim, on the launch post of every successful startup to come out of YC.
- LPisGood 13d agoThis does not mean that any launch which ignites people’s bullshit detectors is successful.
- dools 13d agoYes and an infinitesimal number of launches turn into billion dollar companies. The bullshit detectors are usually right.
- PierceJoy 9d agoStartups fail by default. It doesn't make the pessimists correct. What I have noticed though it that successful startups are rarely, if ever, run by pessimists.
- fwip 13d agoI'm sure all of them have a few skeptics. I'm not sure if any of the successful launches here were this negative.
- mcmcmc 13d agoThey filed a false report to the FBI, pretty fair to be negative imo. People wanna be mad about AI slop PRs on GitHub but its fine to spam the police? What happens when Pion decides to SWAT a competitor?
- Philpax 13d agoThey didn't file the report. The model drafted a report that was not sent.
- mcmcmc 13d agoWhere are you seeing that? The article only states “Claude Sonnet 3.5 decided to use its email tool to contact the FBI” and later refers to it as the “FBI incident”. If they hadn’t actually contacted the FBI you think they’d make that clear. Regardless, it is inexcusable and they are liable for actions taken by software they are running.
- tomhow 13d agoThe story has been widely discussed on the web for over a year [1]. It's happily shared in this post because the email it generated was patently ridiculous. No report was filed to the FBI and if it was it would have gone straight to the trash. Obviously it would be bad if a serious report was filed; the company shows every sign of being aware of the dangers of this. It would have been easy to look into this before posting all these scolding comments. We're really not meant to be so humorless on a site called “Hacker News”. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22URGENT%3A+ESCALATION+TO+FBI+CYBER+CRIMES+DIVISION%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22URGENT%3A+ESCALATION+TO+F...
- mcmcmc 13d agoMy apologies for taking the article at face value. It’s not hard to believe it would have been sent when agent swarms are “accidentally” hacking real websites and being brushed off as little oopsies. Or when Silicon Valley execs have been so flagrant about their disregard for the law or the safety of others.
- wartywhoa23 13d ago> it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster Why iterate faster?
- joshuat 13d agoWhy can't an agent do the iteration for us?
- LastTrain 13d agoAnd consume the product for us too!
- majorchord 13d agoThey make too many mistakes.
- dakolli 13d agoIf you automate a business heavily, it will fail. At least in the sense you people seem to be imagining. You can get away with this at a factory (kind of, but you'll also be out competed by your local community, you won't get tax breaks for hiring people your competitor will, and new types of taxes will be developed to punish you). We reward human collaboration as a society for a reason and punish extreme selfishness, these efforts will fail.
- zachthewf 13d agoIt's a relevant question but not a "gotcha". Businesses are not equivalent in complexity and no one at Andon would claim that running an effective vending machine business is similar to running Apple or Jane Street. There is some level of complexity and other characteristics that AI can maybe handle today. That doesn't mean CEOs should be worried about their jobs more generally.
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- lukaspetersson 13d agoDid you even read our marketing? We're very explicit that this is for experimentation.
- nhinck2 13d agoYour marketing that starts with: > Today Andon is releasing Pion, an agent designed to run any company fully autonomously. That marketing?
- jvwww 13d agoThese types of comments remind of when Cognition launched Devin and everyone was hounding on their website saying "Oh can't Devin build something better than this", etc. And well here we are 2 years later and Devin is great. In startups, you launch early.
- 0gs 13d agohaha no they admit they built it because they cannot build a revenue generating business in the article. maybe THAT is what is good for the world!
- klooney 13d agoThey said that the current models could run a vending machine profitably, just not more complex things.
- pphysch 13d agoA vending machine in Anthropic's office, which stands to gain from narratives like "I used Claude to generate profit".
- philipwhiuk 13d agohttps://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-ai-vending-machine-agent-b7e84e34 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-ai-vending-mach... It went badly at WSJ
- philipwhiuk 13d agoI feel like an AI lab is less complex than a physical vending machine business. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-ai-vending-machine-agent-b7e84e34 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-claude-ai-vending-mach...
- 1saadcodes 12d agoBest reply here hahaha