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I found that Mise handles all my needs for development and it is scoped so it doesn't try to update Python and break all my virtual env when I install something

by Sytten 13d ago

I found that Mise handles all my needs for development and it is scoped so it doesn't try to update Python and break all my virtual env when I install something new /shrug

hk1337 13d ago
I split my usage. Homebrew for OS things mise for the various tooling. The only problem some things still have a dependency on requiring python and others on the system. The problem being that they’re there, mise works just fine.
- impulser_ 13d ago
  You can use mise for install homebrew items btw so if you get a new computer you just drop the config.toml inside the mise and install. This is all you have to add to the config file: [bootstrap.packages] "brew:git" = "latest" "brew-cask:ghostty" = "latest"
  - threecheese 12d ago
    Homebrew does this as well, I keep my packages synced with a Brewfile in chezmoi. Obv this only works for brewed packages though.
    - qn9n 12d ago
      I've found `mise` more useful solely because it also handles things like tasks and daemons.
    - impulser_ 12d ago
      Yeah, the combination with mise is what make this great.
9dev 13d ago
Why would you even use python without uv anymore, and have a system python binary and virtual envs linked to it?
- atmosx 13d ago
  Python might be just one of the languages required by the dev stack not the only language. Mise is the right tool for the job.
  - 9dev 13d ago
    Last time I checked, Mise is still a one-man show. That’s way too risky for a critical party of my supply chain for my taste.
    - doodlesdev 13d ago
      So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. That's not to say bus factor is irrelevant (I personally think about it a lot when choosing software projects), but truthfully the bus factor here especially doesn't matter much, as mise is an easy tool to replace (with asdf, for example) if something goes wrong with it eventually. I highly recommend trying it out. I resisted using it for some time, but it solved some pain points I had with NodeJS, Ruby, and Python regarding installation.
      - 9dev 12d ago
        > So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. That's different for Mise, though, because there are a lot of ways to work productively without it. I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so.
        doodlesdev 11d ago
        > Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. Regarding Run0, I'd prefer to not rely so much on Polkit authentication after crazy vulnerabilities such as PwnKit (a pkexec vuln, but a good reminder that moving the security boundary won't magically solve issues). > I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so. I SUPER agree with you on that, btw. It's just likely that mise solves a problem which is much bigger for me than it is for you. Honestly, I'd prefer if I could manage everything with my distro packages, but, for a multitude of reasons, they're rarely enough for development tooling with multiple versions and environments.
bodash 13d ago
my split: brew for casks, mise for tools
artdigital 13d ago
I also started using Mise for global CLI tools instead of brew and it’s working really well Eg: mise use -g gcloud instead of brew install xxx It can even do that for npm packages! Like mise use -g npm:xxx
- llimllib 13d ago
  re: npm, if you upgrade your global node version, you will lose that installation, right?
  - deleted 13d ago
    [deleted]
  - jdxcode 13d ago
    no, in fact you don’t even need node or npm to install npm packages with mise. (You likely will need it to execute them though)
acedTrex 13d ago
Mise is really sloppily vibe coded these days
- kstrauser 13d ago
  What broke and affected you?
zymhan 13d ago
Okay
brachkow 12d ago
mise also can manage brew

by Sytten 13d ago

I found that Mise handles all my needs for development and it is scoped so it doesn't try to update Python and break all my virtual env when I install something new /shrug

hk1337 13d ago

I split my usage. Homebrew for OS things mise for the various tooling. The only problem some things still have a dependency on requiring python and others on the system. The problem being that they’re there, mise works just fine.

impulser_ 13d ago
You can use mise for install homebrew items btw so if you get a new computer you just drop the config.toml inside the mise and install. This is all you have to add to the config file: [bootstrap.packages] "brew:git" = "latest" "brew-cask:ghostty" = "latest"
- threecheese 12d ago
  Homebrew does this as well, I keep my packages synced with a Brewfile in chezmoi. Obv this only works for brewed packages though.
  - qn9n 12d ago
    I've found `mise` more useful solely because it also handles things like tasks and daemons.
  - impulser_ 12d ago
    Yeah, the combination with mise is what make this great.

9dev 13d ago

Why would you even use python without uv anymore, and have a system python binary and virtual envs linked to it?

atmosx 13d ago
Python might be just one of the languages required by the dev stack not the only language. Mise is the right tool for the job.
- 9dev 13d ago
  Last time I checked, Mise is still a one-man show. That’s way too risky for a critical party of my supply chain for my taste.
  - doodlesdev 13d ago
    So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. That's not to say bus factor is irrelevant (I personally think about it a lot when choosing software projects), but truthfully the bus factor here especially doesn't matter much, as mise is an easy tool to replace (with asdf, for example) if something goes wrong with it eventually. I highly recommend trying it out. I resisted using it for some time, but it solved some pain points I had with NodeJS, Ruby, and Python regarding installation.
    - 9dev 12d ago
      > So is sudo... And that's not "too risky" for the entire industry. Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. That's different for Mise, though, because there are a lot of ways to work productively without it. I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so.
      - doodlesdev 11d ago
        > Sure it is, and that's why I'm looking forward to systemd's Run0 -- but for now, there's just no way around the sudo package. Regarding Run0, I'd prefer to not rely so much on Polkit authentication after crazy vulnerabilities such as PwnKit (a pkexec vuln, but a good reminder that moving the security boundary won't magically solve issues). > I'm not fond of consciously adding supply chain vulnerabilities to our stack when I don't have real pain to do so. I SUPER agree with you on that, btw. It's just likely that mise solves a problem which is much bigger for me than it is for you. Honestly, I'd prefer if I could manage everything with my distro packages, but, for a multitude of reasons, they're rarely enough for development tooling with multiple versions and environments.

bodash 13d ago

my split: brew for casks, mise for tools

artdigital 13d ago

I also started using Mise for global CLI tools instead of brew and it’s working really well Eg: mise use -g gcloud instead of brew install xxx It can even do that for npm packages! Like mise use -g npm:xxx

llimllib 13d ago
re: npm, if you upgrade your global node version, you will lose that installation, right?
- deleted 13d ago
  [deleted]
- jdxcode 13d ago
  no, in fact you don’t even need node or npm to install npm packages with mise. (You likely will need it to execute them though)

acedTrex 13d ago

Mise is really sloppily vibe coded these days

kstrauser 13d ago
What broke and affected you?

zymhan 13d ago

Okay

brachkow 12d ago

mise also can manage brew