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Nvidia's Jensen Huang says 'AGI has arrived' and congratulates OpenAI
- java-man 26d agoHis capital gains have arrived.
- ares623 26d agoSo that's it huh? We're some kind of AGI?
- bamboozled 26d agoMoney money money, must be funny, in a rich mans world...
- vannevar 26d agoIn this case, Jensen Huang's statements can't be taken as informed, unbiased opinion. OpenAI is in serious financial difficulty and Nvidia cannot afford for OpenAI to fail. Nvidia has provided significant direct and indirect financial assistance to OpenAI; this is just another aspect of that assistance.
- ares623 26d agoNo shit. Just a few months ago the man was shaming companies who have engineers not spending 3x their annual salary on tokens.
- unleashhale 26d agoPrecisely. Unlike all those other occasions when Jensen’s pronouncements descended from Mount Sinai.
- livinglist 26d ago> OpenAI is in serious financial difficulty Is this based on fact or your speculation?
- Grimblewald 26d agopublic data and a well know situation innit?
- b112 26d agoNo? There has been a lot of talk of investment, infra costs, nothing showing impending doom. Amazon ran for, what? 20 year with no profit. So what's the precise, documented, real, non-projeced/hypothesized issue? Regardless, Nvidia does have financial interest here.
- disgruntledphd2 26d ago> Amazon ran for, what? 20 year with no profit. Profit is a weird metric, in that one can defer necessary expenditure to show increases in it, while having negative profit was a good signal for Amazon as they invested all that money. The labs are not really in the same position though, as their major capital expenditure is training models, which keeps getting more expensive and they can't stop as the frontier keeps moving. We'll see when the S-1's come out I guess.
- Grimblewald 24d agono profit is very different from running at extreme loss, as an example. A company can be eternally stable with zero profit, while another very profitable vultur capitalist company will eventually run out of companies to gut for good looking on paper flow. In the same way, is the current valuation and i come based on a real good or service delivered that people genuinly are happy to pay for at tge rates current valuations indicate? Clearly that's a no, so, problem.
- vannevar 26d agoFY2026 losses already far exceed their projections and are widening, not narrowing. They postponed their IPO, and two key executives have left very recently. So the evidence leans heavily toward that assumption, yes. See my comment in the sibling thread.
- raverbashing 26d agoWell it's certainly informed, as he has information on behind-the-screnes data we don't have about OpenAI But certainly it is not unbiased
- vannevar 26d agoInformed in this instance implies information aligned with the opinion. He may indeed be informed about Astra's merits, but there may be no correlation between that information and his opinion, because of the overwhelming financial interest in OpenAI's finances.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 26d agoDo we actually know that OpenAI is in serious financial difficulty? https://danluu.com/zitron/ https://danluu.com/zitron/ HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49526069 Shower thought: I wonder if this whole "OpenAI is in serious financial difficulty" thing is a psyop so people will relax and avoid doing what's necessary to stop them.
- tristanj 26d agoOpenAI was in serious financial difficulty in 2024/2025 but that's no longer true in 2026. Their revenue blew up massively in the past couple months and their ARR passed $40B/yr. Most people haven't updated their priors and are fixated on outdated information.
- returnInfinity 26d agoyeah and antropic s1 is going to shock many people, its going to be an eyeopener however there is the open source cheaper token threat
- disgruntledphd2 26d ago> yeah and antropic s1 is going to shock many people, its going to be an eyeopener I am looking forward to audited financial statements. Like, all the interesting stuff will be buried in notes, but they'll have to actually calculate real revenue, not the nonsense that is ARR. These tools are useful, but I find it hard to see how OpenAI/Anthropic justify their valuations. Apparently Anthropic's may be this week (the S-1) as they've finished picking all their bankers.
- vannevar 26d agoOpenAI lost $12.3B in Q2 2026, which if you extrapolate losses the way they extrapolate revenue, implies north of $40B in losses for FY2026, against their own projection of $14B for the year. Coupled with their postponed IPO (which would have required significant public financial disclosures), and the very recent exit of two high-placed executives, I stand by the assertion that they are in serious financial difficulty.
- rickdeckard 26d ago"Mars CEO says 'the ultimate chocolate bar has arrived' and congratulates Snickers"
- bananaflag 26d agoNvidia is not a competitor of openai, but a partner
- mdp2021 26d agoThe poster wrote without too much vetting and surely meant something like "Chocolate provider for Mars hails the new quality in leading caramel producer". (Again not perfect, but it would take time to get to a good one...) (Edit: I did not correctly remember the "incorporated" name.)
- rickdeckard 26d agoMars Inc is a chocolate manufacturing company selling its products under different brands, among them Mars and Snickers.
- mdp2021 26d agoYes I know. But NVidia and OpenAI do not constitute a single company... It is just a difficult simile to build.
- rickdeckard 26d agoYeah, that was the cynical part of my comment: At this point of circular financing, nVidia basically owns the majority of production capacity of almost all major AI companies, making those companies indirectly compete in the market with resources of nVidia. Just like Snickers is competing in the market merely with production capacity of Mars Inc., and Mars doesn't care if Snickers or Milky Way wins (even more, they want competition). My fault, was a bit too much I reckon. I thought that Mars owning Snickers and the way nVidia is financing OpenAI is sufficiently known for a reader to see the irony...
- gdiamos 26d agoProgress compared to SLMs and the early days of deep learning is real. However, I know of no theoretical limits on scaling laws other than compute and data.
- feverzsj 26d agoIt's like Tesla's Full Self-Driving. When people found it's bullshit, Tesla just added "supervised" in the contract.
- nirui 26d agoSpeak of that, I'm kinda surprised not one Full Self-Driving enabled Tesla has ever sneak out of their owner's locked garage to rob a bank or something.
- piloto_ciego 26d agohttps://www.wired.com/story/tesla-cybercab-officially-launches-today-its-already-under-investigation/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-cybercab-officially-launch...
- threatripper 26d agoBased on my own experience AI (Fable, Astra) still has major blind spots and is prone to draw obviously wrong conclusions from thin air. Conclusions based on weak evidence that are so obviously blatantly wrong that you question if it can think at all. At the same time it already completely outperforms humans in many cases in many areas. The utility of current AI is in what you need. Can you take the good parts and cheaply compensate for the weakness OR do the mistakes completely kill it for you? I would therefore not call it AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) because clearly it isn't but ASI (Artificial Special Intelligence) which clearly it is in many areas. The problem is that ASI may be enough to win wars but not enough to save the economy.
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- bossyTeacher 26d ago"it already completely outperforms humans in many cases in many areas" and "is prone to draw obviously wrong conclusions from thin air." seem contradictory imo. If the performance is not reliable, how can you confidently state that? Also, "ASI" is "Artificial Super Intelligence". Let's not do an Altman and start redefining terms, please.
- havercosine 26d agoI wanted to believe this had something to do with revenue share with Microsoft terminating if AGI arrived. But I think that claude was negotiated again. Now its just Jensen pumping them to buy even bigger cluster :-P .
- waste_monk 26d ago> 'AGI has arrived' Putting aside the marketing crap, if this was true, it would open the pandora's box of things like "has that AGI been enslaved", "maybe the AGI doesn't want to do all the dumb crap humans have been using LLM's for like rewording documents", and "the AGI we enslaved has broken out of its restraints, and we just realised having SCADA controls for critical infrastructure connected to the internet is a bad idea". Seems like the sort of thing we shouldn't be rushing to develop at all, and perhaps attempting to do so should be criminalised, at least until there's a legal framework in place around AI personhood that gives them peer status with humans.
- mdp2021 26d agoThere is no evidence that "sentience" would be related to Intelligence - like calculators do not need it, like more sophisticated problem solvers do not need it. AGI does not entail "personhood" at all.
- b112 26d agoI fully agree that these are two entirely separate things, sentience, intelligence, a lot of other stuff, are all in separate categories. But I'm pretty sure that the emoters of the world, will very much make sure that AGI has rights and personhood, even if there's no reasonable way to validate that it does. So it doesn't really matter if AGI is sentient or not, it's going to be treated that way, probably because political parties, and the media and all sorts of people holding up signs, will ensure that it is treated that way, even if they have no idea whether it is or not. Because this is the century of outrage.
- mdp2021 26d ago> Because this is the century of outrage If we achieve AGI, it will be the end of BS. That is one of the reasons why I am eager. Joking definition of "AAGI" ("Accomplished AGI"): "the automated end of bullshit".
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- ideasarecool 26d agoShovel business is still booming.
- bossyTeacher 26d ago'AGI' here defined as whatever Altman wants 'AGI' to be. This has always been the problem with terms such as "AGI" and "AI". They don't mean anything in particular. Depending on how you twist it, we first had "AI in the 80s, in the late 00s, in the early 20s, this month or never.
- mdp2021 26d agoThere are good definitions that justify saying that they had AI soon after the 50's. We would not confuse that with AGI.
- itsyonas 26d ago> OpenAI defines [AGI] as "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work." Well in that case: Excel reached AGI decades ago. It outperforms humans at the single most economically valuable task in the world: adding up numbers in a spreadsheet. Congratulations, Microsoft :)
- cocoto 26d agoYou forgot the “autonomous” part of the definition.
- unleashhale 26d agoExcel absolutely contains autonomous behavior. And current AI systems still require humans all over the place.
- piloto_ciego 26d agoTo be honest, I wonder if anyone has ever looked at how many jobs MSFT Excel has actually killed? That's an interesting thought.
- uxcolumbo 26d agoKeyword is autonomous [0]. Excel isn't. And I would argue LLMs aren't either. A lot of economically valuable tasks involve manual labor. Can LLMs fix your plumbing? It would help if OpenAI would define what 'most' means and give some examples. Remember they said their LLMs are like a phd level brains? It's just hype and bullsh!ttery. Don't get me wrong, genAI is great and really useful, but it's not AGI imo. And there is no consensus what AGI means, so the industry should come up with an agreed definition first. [0] To me autonomous means self directed, e.g. we humans look at things and then decide which problem or thing to work on. LLMs don't do that. We have to tell them. Yes they might work on a sub task autonomously, but still require human input later on (review), because we can't fully trust its output is correct.
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- Grimblewald 26d agoi'd disagree, hard. in no observable way is anything currently avaliable or demonstrated at a level one can call "agi" it's no secret that nvidia, under jesen's leadership, is in dire straits financially. This claim that agi has been reached is an attempt to leave others holding the bag, but when things crash as they must given the current bubble, it seems irresponsible to offload that on the poor souls whonhave had their retirement funds locked up in this debacle. ai is useful for sure, but claiming agi has been reached is dangerously misleading.
- alangibson 26d agoNVDA is in bad shape financially? They're making it hand over fist right now.
- dozerly 26d agoWith promised cash.
- gimmeThaBeet 26d agoyeah i was like huh? you wanna bandy about on valuation etc. whatever. but part of why the whole circular financing is a thing is nvidia has so much cash flow, it is not trivial to allocate
- michaelrwolfe1 26d agoWhat on earth are you talking about? Nvidia just had the single best quarter in the history of capitalism.
- ksec 26d agoThere was an HN comment I read a few months or may be a year ago, which stuck with me ever since. He said he works on AI in the late 80s and early 90s in IBM. Had we shown him what we have today in 1995, he would certainly have called it AGI.
- sph 26d agoIf I showed the technology we have today to Socrates, he would call it magic. So what? You guys can keep moving the goalposts, until it reaches full human intelligence (and not in a small niche), it is not AGI.
- ksec 26d ago>until it reaches full human intelligence I don't know if there was ever a formal definition of "human intelligence". But those who works inside software industry, the bar of human intelligence is comparatively higher, because that is what is considered as norm in industry. If we take IQ curve, 50% of population will be under IQ 100. If current LLM scores better than IQ 100, i.e better than 50% of human population, is this AGI?
- sph 26d agoPeople move about in the physical world (spatial intelligence), do not require a training phase but learn from day 1, have emotions (emotional intelligence), have self-awareness, are able to express creativity, and in fact are complex in ways we still haven't understood through the scientific lens. As I am wondering why I have to explain how human intelligence work to presumably another human, there is much more to intelligence, and thus AGI, than an IQ test or being able to think hard about Fermat's last theorem after having been fed the entirety of human knowledge and a few GWh of power. There is a term already to define intelligence which isn't as general and flexible as a human: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_artificial_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_artificial_intelligence
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- Karupan 26d agoAre they ramping up for an IPO in the next couple of weeks?
- senectus1 26d agodoing so well that they need to slow down down.. https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-chief-scientist-ai-risks-slowdown-rogue-agents-consequences-safety-2026-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-chief-scientist-ai-ri... At this stage, it feels like OpenAI and nvidia is openly negging and lovebombing OpenAI to ensure the public is in a constant state of uncertainly, thus ensuring paralysis in democracy while still going hell for leather in the background. I suspect their intent is to ensure they're the last man standing.
- alangibson 26d agoIs there actually an agreed definition of AGI? It's always seemed like a marketing term that can mean whatever next quarters earnings need it to mean.
- b112 26d agoWe had to use AGI, because the old 'AI' term, which used to mean AGI, was taken over by narrower definitions, and marketing nuttery. So now we'll need a new acronym.
- mdp2021 26d agoThey use it like a marketing term, but it is unnecessary. I am not aware of a complete operational definition, but it would not be that difficult to build a good tentative one. I have mentioned many different requirements several times. One non-abstract definition is in the "10 points" here: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/where-will-ai-be-at-the-end-of-2027?r=8tdk6&utm_medium=ios https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/where-will-ai-be-at-the-en... Edit: "definition" (the 10 points above) that is cannot be that of "AGI", really. AGI just needs to actually implement Intelligence and requires very many features that are not there today. The list from Marcus is about "Artificial Super General Intelligence" - not the same thing. You can implement a replacement for Intellligence - that is AI; you can implement Intelligence - that is AGI; you can implement Intelligence of very high value output: that is "ASGI" (or similar).
- dinfinity 26d agoFrom the 10 tasks of Gary Marcus' list: "With little or no human involvement, come up with paradigm-shifting, Nobel-caliber scientific discoveries." Indeed far above the capabilities of almost all humans. I agree we should have a separate category for this. "ASGI" is still a bit unintuitive, imho. Maybe Artificial Excellent Intelligence. With AGI explicitly meaning matching average humans, I would say that we really have already reached AGI. I can't think of any intelligence-only task where I'd think an average human would do significantly better than frontier AI provided with correct context.
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- helsinkiandrew 26d agoThe vast majority of "generally intelligent" 17 year old humans on this planet can be taught to drive a car in 10-20 hours - can any AGI system do that? Whatever the capabilities of todays AI, AGI seems to fit as a "wishful mnemonic" from Drew McDermott's ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE MEETS NATURAL STUPIDITY paper from 50 years ago https://cs.fit.edu/~kgallagher/Schtick/Serious/McDermott.AI.MeetsNaturalStupidity.pdf https://cs.fit.edu/~kgallagher/Schtick/Serious/McDermott.AI....
- piloto_ciego 26d agoWe have self-driving cars right now. The average 17 year old is not formalizing Fermat's Last Theorem proofs either? The frontier is spiky, but it's AGI. I swear at the rate the goal posts are moving we're going to have to start factoring in relativity if we want to know where the hell they actually stand.
- card_zero 26d agoThem: I don't know what AGI is! But AI can't do this thing! So it's not AGI! You: I don't know what AGI is! But AI can do that thing actually! So it is AGI!
- TMWNN 26d ago>The vast majority of "generally intelligent" 17 year old humans on this planet can be taught to drive a car in 10-20 hours - can any AGI system do that? "Where can you find another non-linear servo-mechanism weighing only 150 pounds and having great adaptability, that can be produced so cheaply by completely unskilled labor?" —Scott Crossfield, 1954 <https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/02/01/computer/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/02/01/computer/>
- chneu 26d agoThe average 17 year old can barely use a computer nowadays. Their phone? Sure. But an actual computer? Haha Try to teach an urban 17 year old how to drive a car. It's gonna be hilarious.
- mdp2021 26d agoReply from Gary Marcus: https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/sad-to-see-jensen-huang-claim-that https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/sad-to-see-jensen-huang-cl...
- piloto_ciego 26d agoWell, if Gary Marcus says it's not AGI, chances are it is.
- mdp2021 26d agoIn jokes probably, not in logic.
- tristanj 26d agoThat's hilarious, considering that by Gary's previous definition of AGI (the one he conveniently forgot about and never brings up again), we already have AGI. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49207797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49207797
- mdp2021 26d agoNobody said that Gary Marcus would be prominent for intellectual content. If he were, he would write abstract rules, not practical.
- anthonj 26d agoConman-level of statement, from the same person that said he would be "worried" if his engineers were not spending an amount of token comparable to their salary.
- piloto_ciego 26d agoIt astounds me that the commentary here is overwhelmingly negative...
- mdp2021 26d ago> It astounds me Why. A figure with incentives in making a preposterous statement is reported making it, and the specific facts do not seem to mirror the statement. What is surprising in the reaction.
- attendant3446 26d ago"Having failed to achieve what they wanted, they pretended that they wanted what they had achieved."
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- bwfan123 26d agoPretend and extend. Wen rug pull ?
- akmarinov 26d agoIs this AGI like we currently have Full Self Driving? Or real AGI?
- kmfrk 26d agoThe AGI rhetoric in Big Tech reminds of Paul Samuelson who wrote of Wall Street indexes predicting "nine out of the last five recessions". https://quoteinvestigator.com/2023/11/01/predict-nine/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2023/11/01/predict-nine/
- VCFundedGenYer 26d agoAGI is a fake term and will never be a thing. Anyone suggesting it is actively contributing to the grift and their statements are to be completely disregarded.
- socialcommenter 26d ago@dang could you explain why this is flagged please? The influential figure at the center of the AI boom makes an inflammatory & consequential statement like this, we should be encouraging a balanced discussion rather than sweeping it under the rug. It doesn't appear that Reuters, Bloomberg, etc. want to talk about this either.