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I fail to see the relation between a video doorbell and stopping a burglar. Burglars wear masks. Also, a doorbell ringing on the outside of the door is not onl
by artisinal 2mo ago
I fail to see the relation between a video doorbell and stopping a burglar. Burglars wear masks.
Also, a doorbell ringing on the outside of the door is not only silly but in case of an apartment complex highly annoying for your neighbors.
And make sure your neighbors like being monitored through your five services.
Personally I have a button outside my front door. It is connected with a copper wire to the other side of the door to a small device that sends out an audible notification. No cloud required.
- ezfe 2mo agoIt's video surveillance, it makes it more likely they'll go elsewhere. That's literally the whole point of Ring.
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- artisinal 2mo agoThen go for a CCTV system with local storage for the whole apartment complex instead of a cloud based personal surveillance system. Then you don’t need 5 cloud services and people can go back to knocking.
- HDBaseT 2mo agoWhen I break into peoples houses, I tend to take the NVR with me.
- NuclearPM 2mo agoNVR?
- necovek 2mo agoNetwork Video Recorder, a name for devices where IP cameras stream their video to to be stored on, usually, a hard disk drive. Same thing as DVR for analog surveillance cameras, just with eth (usually PoE) ports.
- KPGv2 2mo agoPeople who break into houses are going for a few obvious high-dollar items. They're not searching for a server closet they don't know exists. They're looking for laptops, pharmaceuticals, jewelry. High dollar, portable items. not a strange-looking device hidden in a closet. And obviously you can put it in a rack that requires a key to open. They won't bother.
- The_Blade 2mo agoAI has driven so many highly paid software professionals into the Your Friends and Neighbors lifestyle
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- artisinal 2mo agoThen hide the NVR in a locked utility room of the apartment complex.
- AngryData 2mo agoPeople always say this, but is there any evidence it is true? Home burglars aren't exactly the cream of the criminal crop.
- cube00 2mo agoTake a walk around the neighbourhood, plenty of houses still don't have any video surveillance. There's no shortage of footage of people casing a place spotting the camera then wondering away. The smart ones look like they're any other lost delivery driver complete with package in hand. Thanks to the rise of gig work nobody has uniforms anymore. No that it really matters, plenty of stolen uniforms in play too.
- teiferer 2mo agoAnecdata is not helpful. Actually statistically significant numbers that are not presented by a home security firm. Everything else is just somebody trying to sell you stuff.
- Aurornis 2mo agoFrom everything I've seen (which was a lot for a couple years due to my job) there were two types of burglars: One type didn't care about any security system, even alarms. They would smash and grab as fast as they could and get out. They didn't have a plan other than to grab the first things that looked valuable. It might cost more to fix the building than to replace what they found. The other type was trying to play it smart. As soon as they noticed the cameras or indications of a security system they'd leave. Lots of videos where a person was detected, looks up at the cameras, and then slips away to go find another house. A lot of people start turning off alerts or never set them up properly, so they don't notice the second type of video unless they go looking.
- SwtCyber 2mo ago[dead]
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- ifwinterco 2mo agoPhysical stuff (window bars and a security door) is much, much more effective for that logic. Burglars know they’ll probably be on CCTV somewhere anyway but nobody in their right mind is trying to smash through a security door or saw through some window bars when there’s a house up the street that doesn’t have them. Obviously there are downsides (cost, aesthetics) but those solutions actually work, I’m skeptical that a fancy subscription doorbell makes much difference
- swiftcoder 2mo ago> Physical stuff (window bars and a security door) is much, much more effective I've lived in a couple of countries where everyone has bars on all their windows due to perceived (in some case correctly, in other cases not) crime levels. It's... not great? I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't need to live in a prison compound.
- al_borland 2mo agoWhen I’m looking to move to a new area, I check out how much security the local banks have. The more there is between the customer and the bank teller, the worse the area. Comcast offices can also be a good litmus test for this. When McDonalds has bullet proof glass… you probably don’t even want to stop to eat there, let alone live there.
- OGWhales 2mo agoI don't find surveillance cameras better in that regard. I think physical security can look decent too, like wrought iron window security bars can actually look quite nice imo.
- swiftcoder 2mo ago> I don't find surveillance cameras better in that regard Yeah, that's fair. I do prefer living somewhere that requires neither.
- t098i3 2mo agoI used to have local teenagers messing around on my property and it completely stopped after putting up some lights and cameras. It stops most casual crime.
- artisinal 2mo agoWe are talking about burglars.
- t098i3 2mo agoYup, said teens would burgle stuff off my property.
- mathisfun123 2mo agoPeople steal things from stores which have had cctv for decades. I have no idea why people think these goofy webcams have any effect other than invading the privacy of your neighbors.
- t098i3 2mo agoI literally just said it solved my problem. Most casual crime is opportunistic, and cameras and lights add uncertainty to the opportunity. Most people aren't willing to chance the camera for an opportunistic score.
- mathisfun123 2mo ago> Most casual crime is opportunistic, and cameras and lights add uncertainty to the opportunity. Most people aren't willing to chance the camera for an opportunistic score. People have been stealing things from stores which have had cctv for decades. Your premises are manifestly false.
- t098i3 2mo agoIt's a good thing I don't live in a store, then
- tobyhinloopen 2mo agoYou can have a camera doorbell using your copper wire. With a video doorbell you can get notifications when a person enters your property. You can notify police or neighbors if it’s a stranger
- SwtCyber 2mo ago[dead]
- DarmokTanagra 2mo agoCriminals don't just rob random houses. If they are going through the trouble its because they know there is something of value in there and a camera is not going to stop them. A camera is only going to dissuade crimes of opportunity, its basically just fancy lock.
- talkin 2mo ago> Criminals don't just rob random houses False, opportunity theft is the most common form. Better doors/windows/locks help the most, and help against both opportunistic and targeted.
- notrustincloud 2mo agolol. the only robberies that get 'attribution' are cases where the criminals get caught. i.e. low hanging fruit and thus these statistics skew to opportunistic events. however, unplanned opportunistic crime makes for good promotional sales of window bars and strong locks. just like safes with electronic keypads. very few such devices will stop a premeditated theft... and what is the rate of recovery for stolen goods in most jurisdictions?
- DarmokTanagra 2mo agoPerhaps where you live, in my country petty theft is extremely rare.
- Tangurena2 2mo ago> Burglars wear masks. Around here, they wear hoodies and keep their hood up to obscure their face.
- gosub100 2mo agoI think you should complete the decision matrix regarding mask wearing: Wear a mask and the victim is home: they know you are about to rob them and can prepare. Run away before the police come Don't wear a mask and victim is home: make up a fake reason you pressed the doorbell, or up the ante to a home invasion and risk getting shot. Don't wear a mask and the victim is not home: proceed with burglary but face is recorded for police. Wear a mask and victim is not home: profit. It's not as simple as covering up. Plus you still risk leaving finger prints and DNA
- kelvinjps10 2mo agoIt's about risk, even one time where we noticed buglers and just turn the lights on, they left. Just the fact they're getting noticed might be enough.