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Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

378 points by ryanmerket 3mo ago

https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171, https://xcancel.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 https://xcancel.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 https://buzz.xyz/ https://buzz.xyz/

rvz 3mo ago
This is the correct link to the announcement from jack: https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 Website link is here: https://buzz.xyz https://buzz.xyz The buzz project itself is also open source: https://github.com/block/buzz https://github.com/block/buzz
- giancarlostoro 3mo ago
  I always chuckle when someone makes a GitHub alternative, and the code is hosted on GitHub. Kind of shows that replacing GitHub isn't just about replacing the code.
Gecko4072 3mo ago
Now when I see new software projects I just think of how much of them are made with agents and the unreliability/easy abandonment that comes with it. Ten years ago this product would have been of a known quality. Not saying anything about buzz specifically.
- EagleEdge 3mo ago
  I think it depends on the team behind it, the models being used for the building, testing and verification.
- mplewis 3mo ago
  oh, you absolutely know this one is going to be a slopfest. Buzz is going to make GitHub look like a paragon of nines.
  - butlike 3mo ago
    It's probably just Dorsey's vibe-coded side project. The scope isn't too big and it's rather unimpressive
    - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
      Isn't everything Dorsey does these days his vibe-coded side project?
- cyanydeez 3mo ago
  when I see new projects I think: Is it useful? IF yes, I clone it and point my LLM at it to do whatever I need it to do. You're think with your cloud-LLM brain; maybe buy a good GPU and download a local model and you too can-do attitude!
- AlienRobot 3mo ago
  The ease of abandonment is real. 1. Generate function with AI. 2. Generate tests with AI. 3. Modify function with AI. 4. Tests no longer pass. 5. Delete all tests. 6. Generate tests with AI.
- horsawlarway 3mo ago
  I find this thought process somewhat faulty given that the vast majority of software ends up in that spot regardless. Hard to take this as that big a deal when Google literally launched a product along similar social themes named "Google Buzz" which lasted all of like 16 months in 2010, well before agents and llms. Either the project will find a fit, or it won't - and code quality doesn't have all that much to do with it existing in 2 years (some - but not as much as engineers want to believe).
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  - witx 3mo ago
    Argument similar to: people still get hurt riding a skate without a helmet, why do I need it anyway?
    - horsawlarway 3mo ago
      If you can point me at any actual data that Saas companies are more like to be abandonware if AI is used... sure. But my experience with startups is that the odds are great they're ALL going to be abandonware in a couple years. Ex - 50% of every company started is out of business in 5 years.
  - Brian_K_White 3mo ago
    And I find this thought process somewhat faulty.
- _pdp_ 3mo ago
  It is safe bet to assume that all of them are generated with LLMs.
- overgard 3mo ago
  Yeah, it used to be the friction of making something was at least a partial sign that it had been thought out to some degree. Now it's just "lets lob it on users and make them figure out if this is worth a damn". I feel like with a lot of this stuff, there isn't much value to being an early adopter and there's a lot of risk. Better just to wait a couple months to see how things shake out. If it has staying power it really won't matter if you're behind by like a few months.
- kccqzy 3mo ago
  Nah. I made plenty of software and then abandoned them because I lost interest in them. My GitHub is already a fairly large collection of my own abandoned software, and there are 10x more on my PC that I never bothered to upload to GitHub. Easy abandonment is always there.
  - Brian_K_White 3mo ago
    Not at all the same thing. Your half-baked works can't appear to be anything else than what they actually are. You are in no danger of wasting anyone's time. For one thing, you probably never tried to mislead anyone. Did you put 8 minutes of effort into something and then come here and try to say "Hey world, here is a thing you should all care about and invest in. I mean, I didn't, but you should."? But even if you did try, you physically cannot (5 years ago) generate the equivalent of 10 years of work by a 10 person team complete with docs and tests that all looks plausible and maybe even runs.
    - kccqzy 3mo ago
      I respectfully disagree. Single-person projects that are not commercially motivated always have the risk of abandonment, regardless of how polished they seem. Depending on the problem itself, I could very well get bored after 8 minutes of effort, or 8 months of work. Some of my personal projects had a lot of polish because I really cared; I abandoned them because I stopped caring. (Also, adding polish was a great procrastination activity when you did not want to work on more important tasks.) > Hey world, here is a thing you should all care about and invest in. I think this is where our mentality differs the most. I never requested the world to care about my projects, which is why I did not feel any weight of responsibility when I abandon my projects.
      - Brian_K_White 3mo ago
        You say you disagree, and then did not say anything that contradicts.
- CivBase 3mo ago
  I'm left wondering why I should bother adopting - much less paying for - these kinds of projects. If it's that trivial to throw together, what value are you even delivering for me? Why wouldn't I just use the same tricks to spin my own solution that does exactly what I need and not whatever you think I might need?
- fantasizr 3mo ago
  i really never want to be an early adopter anymore. I need 6 months of vetting to determine if it's the flavor of the week (or flavor of the DAY)
muglug 3mo ago
[I work for Slack, opinions very much my own] Having agents see everything you and your colleagues see is cool. The challenge comes when you want to make certain things private to certain people. In that world you don’t want multiplayer agents leaking data, so you end up having to write and maintain complex rulesets about what specific resources agents have access to. Single-player agents, on the other hand, are much more straightforward — they act on a single user’s behalf, and then the challenge is ensuring the single-player agent cannot exfiltrate private data into a shared space unless the user specifically permits it.
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- GodelNumbering 3mo ago
  > so you end up having to write and maintain complex rulesets about what specific resources agents have access to. Why wouldn't you simply use the group chat ID (+more) to key the conversations on?
  - paxys 3mo ago
    Because there’s an unlimited number of groups with different combinations of memberships. If I am in group A but not group B and an agent is in both, what is it allowed to share with me?
    - ahf8Aithaex7Nai 3mo ago
      I'd like to see this problem solved in such a way that your group memberships are transitively applied to your access to agents. In other words: you shouldn’t be allowed to talk to an agent at all if, at a given point in time, that agent is or was in a group that you are not or were not in at that time. Does that make sense? I don’t know how practical this restriction is, but letting the AI manage such permissions on its own seems reckless to me.
jlarocco 3mo ago
It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money.
- georgemcbay 3mo ago
  > It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money. The "Zuckerberg Method". He wasn't the first, and won't be the last, but I'm pretty sure he has thrown the most shit.
  - alex1138 3mo ago
    If by throwing shit you mean copy everybody No other company in the internet age has done what Facebook has. Zuckerberg - Copies every product he sees. Copied Twitter, Snapchat. Lifted features from Google+ Overwrite people's public-facing emails, which hurts being able to use competitive services https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 Apparently wrote some tool which allowed for data transfer into FB from Myspace, but not the other way around (yes, I know. In many ways Myspace was hot trash, that doesn't mean he wasn't a malicious actor to extreme extents Blocked links to competition Other things I can't remember right now Say what you will about Myspace, or Friendster, or Google+ (I'm annoyed as anyone they thought a great method to get people to use it was "ok, we'll ask you again later" on Youtube) but Facebook has always rigged the game, they've been bad actors
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- mmh0000 3mo ago
  Reposted from HN user notacoward[1]: Entrepreneurship is like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something. Middle class kids can afford one throw. Most miss. A few hit the target and get a small prize. A very few hit the center bullseye and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches! The American Dream lives on. Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches or write blog posts about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work. Poor kids aren't visiting the carnival. They're the ones working it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15659076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15659076
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grim_io 3mo ago
Marketing bullshit aside, this is just bots in chat rooms, right? Am I the crazy one?
- malfist 3mo ago
  I think you're crazy. It's not just bots in chat rooms, it's bots in chat room with an AI Investor Hype Money™
  - windexh8er 3mo ago
    Kind of amazing that given the state of the world money is still focused on remixes of different forms of social engagement. Is this because it's an obvious place to display ads? Or is it something else? I'd like to think if I were JD that I would be focusing on something a bit more tangible for the world. A more useful aspect of tech to emerge or be invested in. But, apparently AI agents in chat that sit adjacent to code is The Next Big Thing?
    - shimman 3mo ago
      The only playbook big tech in the US seems to have are creating a platform and trying to extract rents off it.
  - noodlescb 3mo ago
    Are you implying that a tech billionaire, who moved to a private South American compound, who looks like a man that microdoses ayahuasca daily, might just a rich kid tinkering to stay relevant without the incentive or context to actually BE relevant anymore?
- serf 3mo ago
  yeah, but the reality is that every chat room bot integration is half-assed, and the good integrations force you to use chat rooms/services that are either a nuissance to spin up and join, heavily opinionated, or lack features, or even the most basic security and privacy stances. there's definitely room for someone to do it right. i'm skeptical if it'll be dorsey, however.
jacobgold 3mo ago
Slack exists largely because IRC was insufficient. It didn't natively support channel history, search, etc. For AI agents to flourish, Slack has to either truly open its network with a protocol or eventually be replaced. I'd like to see Slack embrace an AT protocol-based chat system, which then apps like Buzz could implement. Then users could log in with domain handles like @yourname.com, and agents could use handles like @agent1.yourname.com, all under their complete control.
- jhbruhn 3mo ago
  Just like Matrix and it's bot/puppet accounts.
- _verandaguy 3mo ago
  Why is it Slack's responsibility to help agents flourish? I ask about Slack here because it's pertinent, but I've both seen and experienced firsthand this inversion across the industry where we must adapt our workflows for AI. Isn't a tool supposed to work for you, not the other around?
  - MattDamonSpace 3mo ago
    It’s not Slack’s responsibility to do so, but it is their vulnerability if they don’t
    - shimman 3mo ago
      You're assuming there is a bag to capture about placating to slop bots, that has yet to be determine. What it mostly seems to do now is balloon your services capacity on serving your worst customers to do busy work no one cares about.
      - dewey 3mo ago
        There's many new and existing companies right now that are growing fast based on the promise of doing "x but with AI". This starts from customer support tools, coding agents, code review platforms and they are definitely "capturing a bag" there. I'm not blind to the issues with AI, but Slack ignoring it (Apart from their enterprise AI search they are pushing) and having the bots interact on the platform right now (Basically spewing a lot of messages in threads with all their "thinking" and not a more native integration) is not going to help them. There basically haven't been any new features on their bot / app platform for a long time now.
bensyverson 3mo ago
Super ambitious, but maybe that's its downfall. It's hard to imagine incrementally adopting this.
lvl155 3mo ago
As much as I detest Zuck, he was right about Twitter guys.
- edoceo 3mo ago
  Any context for the ignorant?
  - alex1138 3mo ago
    I know that he referred to Twitter as "it's as if they drove a clown car into a gold mine and fell in" Yes Zuck because a product that didn't constantly fuck around with people's privacy settings and had real real-world uses... sure, money is all that matters. You would know. Your vision of the web isn't liberation, it's "dumb fucks", that's all you think people are
    - dwedge 3mo ago
      I'm old enough to remember when Twitter was a developer centric platform and were emphatically asking developers to use the API tk create products and help spread it. I then remember them rug pulling those APIs and screwing the devs because it interfered with them shuffling the feed and displaying ads and promoted tweets. That was well before Musk and I refuse to see Jack Dorsey as the good guy of tech he seems desperate to present himself as. Especially after he pretended AI was the reason for laying off half of the Block staff
      - alex1138 3mo ago
        Fair enough
- pclowes 3mo ago
  How? I would argue Jack is a much better 0 to 1 guy than Zuck and Zuck is a better 1 to N guy Jack: Twitter, Square (Block), Bluesky/ATProto, bitchat (interesting), buzz (we will see). He just always fumbles the 1 to N (See Vine as an example) Other Twitter Guy: Medium Zuck: PHP dev, gets a hit, reads innovators dilemma... buys instagram. Everything else sucks.
ecliptik 3mo ago
Google Buzz [1] along with Wave you both were too soon for this world. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz
- MPSimmons 3mo ago
  I was literally thinking this reminds me of Google+ and Buzz.
- cryptoz 3mo ago
  Still can't make a Gmail label named 'Buzz'.
  - Melatonic 3mo ago
    Know of any other labels that are blocked or taken ?
wslh 3mo ago
Meanwhile, Jack Dorsey keeps working with Claude at https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat
toomuchtodo 3mo ago
Competing with https://tangled.org/ https://tangled.org/ I suppose?
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asdev 3mo ago
No one is going to churn Slack for this just because it is "Agent First". Slack is more than good enough to tag Agents and will fill in the missing pieces slowly
- teach 3mo ago
  Slack's approach is NOT good enough, because the version of the Agent that lives in Slack cannot see the context of the Agent that lives inside Cursor on my developer laptop. They might be clones with identical brains, but they can't talk to each other or compare notes.
  - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
    So why can't the cursor instance on your laptop have a slack bot? I've had a slack bot on my build machine written in chicken-scheme of all things for years, I feel like the great people (or clankers?) at cursor ought to be able to figure this one out
    - teach 3mo ago
      It could! An MCP would actually be great but Slack would prefer to sell us their own AI integration product so (1) they make it difficult and more importantly (2) it's against their terms of service We pay them a LOT of money every year and they would absolutely notice the indexing at the level we'd need to do to make this work ourselves, so the answer is "because Slack is preventing us".
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- braebo 3mo ago
  I would pay money to not have to use slack
rsstack 3mo ago
> Explain Like I'm 5 > Buzz is an open-source, self-hosted workspace that combines team chat, AI agents and Git hosting using signed Nostr events, so teams can keep control of their data. Very different expectations of 5-year-olds.
- serial_dev 3mo ago
  Hah, I used to tell my agents “eli5 (this task)”, then I started to worry that it will actually explain things as you would to a 5yo… It’s just an irrational fear I have, in the end agents are not the HN comment section and they usually understand what I actually mean.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    Ouch
- adamrezich 3mo ago
  I imagine that's all very understandable to the average Bay Area five-year-old.
- mlnj 3mo ago
  The goal is to replace these 5 year old with a team of Nostr aware agents. /s
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- joenot443 3mo ago
  It’s kinda interesting seeing what, IIRC, was originally a subreddit name which spawned from an AskReddit thread, is now a common marketing phrase in the tech world. Similar to the sub itself, it’s now just shorthand for “describe using the first principles the expected audience should understand.” I imagine a lot of people in the industry also fondly remember the 2010s reddit experience.
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colechristensen 3mo ago
Hey I was prototyping this exact kind of thing, there's something to be said for releasing early. The project fell to the back burner because I had VM ambitions and just didn't have enough disk space on my macbook to do VMs well. 512 GB and always full
jillesvangurp 3mo ago
Bots in team chat is not a bad idea. I've been experimenting with that for a few months. We started with Slack. This kind of works but dialing in the gazillion of permissions needed to end up with something that works is a bit painful. And you have to do this over and over again for each new bot. So, we started experimenting with self hosted alternatives. First we tried Matrix. It's nice but a bit too strict on end to end encryption which gets in the way if you actually want to share information with bots. So, a few weeks ago we switched to Zulip. That's pretty straightforward to setup as well. It's very easy to create bot users with both and create some automations. We did some with Openclaw and I ended up replacing those with something coded around the haystack framework, which is a bit less of a messy basket case than Openclaw. And as I discovered after I installed it, the Zulip leadership actually just got hired by Anthropic. It seems Jack Dorsey beat them to market making some announcements but I imagine that Anthropic might have very similar plans. IMHO team level use cases for agents actually make a lot of sense. Companies are run by groups of people and the larger those groups the more team overhead you get. Perfect for optimizing with AI. And if you have people doing a lot of stuff with AI, that only adds to the need for them to communicate what they are doing and coordinating with others. Doing that out in the open in some shared channel makes a lot of sense. And having some shared team guard rails also makes sense. And if you think about more complex processes with handoffs between people (and possibly some agents), a team chat is a good place to do those as well.
- sroerick 3mo ago
  How about XMPP?
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xnx 3mo ago
Excited for "decentralized, self-sovereign, and open source." Indifferent to "groupchat for agents".
noodlescb 3mo ago
Interesting idea. I think the "multiplayer mode for AI development" bit resonates somewhat. Biggest problem is that I do think most companies have a ton of key contributors that find git/code intimidating, so part of me thinks the real answer here will be stuff like Surfboard, Town, etc. that can work with git AND the work tools in a more user friendly, browser-first way.
alfons_foobar 3mo ago
Am I the only one seeing _crazy_ levels of CPU usage when opening the project's homepage (https://buzz.xyz https://buzz.xyz)? Like "maxing-out-8-cores"-crazy?
- lbrito 3mo ago
  Yeah, crazy that a landing page exhausts the resources of my 2019 CPU. Mouse movement tells me it runs at like 5FPS.
- datadrivenangel 3mo ago
  the more Tokens/CPU use the better your project. /s
- mft_ 3mo ago
  No, me too. 758% processor usage in Firefox.
dewey 3mo ago
I've recently built some project that also supports Nostr (https://getbirdfeeder.com https://getbirdfeeder.com, but more for the fun of playing with Nostr) but it feels very forced to use it for something like that. It feels like it's solving an issue that no team chat ever has. > Buzz is built around a self-hostable Nostr relay. Every message, reaction, workflow step, code event and approval is stored as a cryptographically signed event. Human employees and agents receive the same basic identity structure, including their own key pairs, channel memberships and audit trails.
dzonga 3mo ago
jack dope product person & person in general - but CEO skills might be lacking.
minraws 3mo ago
The name is probably not the best fit but if we can get a good solution that's not horrible that's easy to self host I and open-source I am fine with it. Though I fear this might not be well maintained or have a good foundation being so heavily agent focused but I will out of sheer ambition of a more open stack support anything that help make it a possibility. Also the git hosting stuff seems a bit sus tbh.
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themgt 3mo ago
That screenshot is some Lynchian horror. "#engineering. New direction, team – we're moving the prototype to Flutter" and then the humans and agent bots engage in flirty emoji-filled chats with cutesy names "I nailed the physics, UI shell @Honeybot?" I'm trying to imagine a world in which this makes sense as a way to organize software development work, but coming up short. It's on a blockchain or something though, so there ya go. https://github.com/block/buzz/blob/main/docs/assets/screenshots/channel-agents.png https://github.com/block/buzz/blob/main/docs/assets/screensh...
- Lalabadie 3mo ago
  It's also a capture made from seeded test data, all messages are at 5:42. Or a mockup based on said capture.
  - catmanjan 3mo ago
    I think its an intentional mockup - perhaps the intent is to make it look like it all happened within a minute, and I'm sure they picked that time to imply that its something you could do after your 9-5... marketing is all so sinister.
- theideaofcoffee 3mo ago
  It doesn't. But as long as it's a vibe-coded slop product shat out by one of the tech glitterati using the latest marketing wanketeering and sucking up tokens to power the in-built AI nonsense, it'll be eaten up. The bubble can't pop soon enough.
  - slashdave 3mo ago
    Oh, is this a thing? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glitterati https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glitterati > people who are famous, wealthy Oh, okay... > and attractive lost me
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2001zhaozhao 3mo ago
I think a tool with this kind of UX is the future of engineering orgs. It reminds me a lot of JetBrains Space (which I already thought was a good idea back then), but with agents. I don't see a lot of information about the Git hosting aspect of the product on the website, though. Somewhat doubtful that they will be able to make a Git forge with similar polish to GitLab It subjectively seems to me that integrating with an existing forge (e.g. Forgejo) on the API layer and rebuilding the auth and frontend is a better bet. You get stable features like PRs, permissions and CI actions out of the box and they stay synced with known formats in the community and so make your tool easy to adopt. Though making a forge from scratch does have advantages especially for internal company use cases. Another problem I see with Buzz is that the tool doesn't seem to be taking advantage of its vertical integration inside its UX enough. There is a lot more you can do with full control over Git hosting, project context, and org-wide chat in a single tool than what this tool attempts to do right now.
dredmorbius 3mo ago
Earlier / dupe: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199>
throwawa14223 3mo ago
Jack Dorsey has figured out how to make chat worse by adding LLMs.
- bigfishrunning 3mo ago
  I feel like chatGPT did that years ago...or maybe ELIZA?
  - browningstreet 3mo ago
    We’re out of drinks. Can you two go get more wine coolers?
dstanko 3mo ago
Interesting - if I or anyone else said they would be building a startup to do this, we would have a hard job to selling it to VCs.
hmokiguess 3mo ago
I was trying to build something like that myself, but I had based it off IRC and was going to go protocol first not PaaS type of thing. I think this is an unclaimed space where the future of work is bound to find itself in, though I'm not yet sure how/who is gonna win. My solo project was abandoned unfortunately, that said I saw some cool protocol initiatives similar to it recently like this one: https://github.com/h5i-dev/h5i https://github.com/h5i-dev/h5i
ChrisArchitect 3mo ago
Blog posts: https://block.xyz/inside/introducing-buzz-where-humans-and-agents-work-together https://block.xyz/inside/introducing-buzz-where-humans-and-a... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995706) https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199)
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sulam 3mo ago
I feel like this might be solving a real problem (agents having identity, access controls, etc that are provisioned like you would a regular user) — with this Nostr layer that doesn’t really provide any specific value that I can see. So actions are signed, great — this is like telling me I’m going to be using blockchain to store my files because I need crypto on top of my crypto. We see where that ended up. Is Nostr doing anything here that is actually a value add, vs a processing tax that could be done more efficiently with a shared service?
- sroerick 3mo ago
  I had the same thought - but maybe it's good? I was thinking that if you have a decentralized store than you can connect to it regardless of dev environment. I've used XMPP for orchestration but I can see ergonomic advantages to this.
- baron3dl 3mo ago
  nostr solves for who owns the shared service. nobody. run your own, use an open relay, or pay for one from folks you trust.
  - designerarvid 3mo ago
    What problem is that a solution to? Is there a problem with someone owning it, in that case: what?
    - baron3dl 3mo ago
      consignment to existence as a cloud serf. paying rents to have your data held hostage and exploited by a third party. maybe these aren't problems for you
    - barnabee 3mo ago
      > Is there a problem with someone owning it Yes > what? They can decide you can't use it anymore They can decide to charge more for it They can arbitrarily take features out from under you or change how it works They can read and/or sell/give away/accidentally get exploited and lose your data They can prevent your extracting your data to move away from them They can prevent you building or integrating other tools They control how you can modify or configure the software ...
p2detar 3mo ago
Too much talk about LLMs and too little about the self-hosting part of this project. Self-hosted stuff looks appealing to me. We dropped Slack as an option in the past because we couldn't self-host it.
whatthe12899 3mo ago
this is shopify's river as a product?
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fidotron 3mo ago
This is an interesting step in a fairly obvious direction. I wonder how they plan to make mobile work, and it's amusing going with an xyz domain given their reputation.
nzoschke 3mo ago
Very interesting! As a small startup I'd love to ditch Slack, as its a walled garden and both under-featured and over-complicated at the same time. GitHub has been losing my favor too. Tangentially our startups is combining email, AI agents (chat and coding), and GitHub workflows and it feels really good. https://housecat.com/blog/gmail-durable-workflows-sandbox-vm https://housecat.com/blog/gmail-durable-workflows-sandbox-vm It feels like a renaissance for all workspace tools, where up until recently it was mostly dev tools that got all the really fun power ups.
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oooyay 3mo ago
Disclaimer that I used to work at Slack I love that we're challenging the status quo in chat. It feels like we've settled into an eternal September of sorts. I am somewhat bearish that Slack and Teams will survive, or rise to, the agent era. That said, I'm curious whether NOSTR is really the protocol for this. For some really large corporations you're looking at a lot of clients (and their shadows like cellphones, local agents etc) as well as a lot of (likely) team-based agents. The identity architecture makes sense for centrally hosted agents. Users also probably have their own personal agents as well. Do those just reuse user credentials or are they differentiated in some way? I couldn't tell. I also am curious whether git really needs to be a dependency here. Like, maybe for Block it does, but it introduces a lot of complexity that I feel could be exported to merging VCS Host events to the Buzz event log. I'm also curious what challenges will arise as new capabilities emerge. For instance, both Sol and Claude can now render native components in my chat window which is a massive leg up in terms of firming up a design change. Rust is also a choice. I'm curious what alternatives the team considered and how they landed on Rust.
- datadrivenangel 3mo ago
  Shared information like code and files are increasingly important for keeping people and agents aligned, and "AI Native" businesses will become even more code heavy, so that makes sense.
- ijustlovemath 3mo ago
  Why does Rust feel like a bad choice to you? In my experience shipping med device software, it's great for keeping the code that teams write cohesive and correct
  - oooyay 3mo ago
    I'm not saying it's a bad choice. Slack is written in Hack, Discord written in Elixir, and Teams is written in C#. Why teams choose languages is always a point of curiosity to me.
- WorldPeas 3mo ago
  I think a happy medium like signal would be much better, slack is an immovable part of much of the (white-collar) business relationship world now but it'd be nice if there were assurances of secrecy and security in communication as 24/7 cyberattacks rather than a company whose security is based solely on promises rather than zero-knowledge systems. Signal has had far and away the best cross-platform messaging experience of any client I've used in friend groups but moving to a slack-like system alongside what exists now would be much appreciated to the noisy channel approach.
ares623 3mo ago
washed.xyz was taken
hansmayer 3mo ago
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dwedge 3mo ago
It's interesting how my opinion of "Jack Dorsey launches X" is a total 180 from a decade ago. He just seems like a well-funded grifter to me.
bilsbie 3mo ago
This is basically the ide of the future if you think about it. If bots do all the coding then this is where you’ll code.
tlongwell-block 3mo ago
Hi, folks There's a brief write-up on Buzz here https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz
- philipwhiuk 3mo ago
  You start with this premise > It’s great and works really well for us, but it raises lots of questions. Does everyone get a bot? If people share one, whose credentials does it use? Eventually you throw in this admission in the middle of other stuff: > Buzz gives each agent its own key. The agent’s owner signs a narrowly scoped authorization. The agent then signs its own work with its own identity. So you're explicitly picking a bot per person, you're just calling them an agent. But you never really admit this because you call it 'an agent' rather than "the user's agent". You're still ending up with lots of agents each owned by people, you're just writing another orchestration layer yourself. > The agent remains the author. Its credential proves who authorized it and under what conditions. Right yeh, so the human is the responsible party. > If an agent key leaks, revoke the agent without replacing the human identity behind it. Just like you revoke an app-key on GitHub/Slack. This isn't a revolutionary thing you're doing. You then throw in this curveball. > Buzz can also run an agent’s model requests on another community member’s machine. How? How is this resource managed or limited? Do I have to assume Buzz will just borrow my laptop's CPU & GPU at random?
  - tlongwell-block 3mo ago
    Hi! > So you're explicitly picking a bot per person, you're just calling them an agent. But you never really admit this because you call it 'an agent' rather than "the user's agent". You're still ending up with lots of agents each owned by people, you're just writing another orchestration layer yourself. Giving everyone their own agent/bot/app in Slack is nontrivial because of how Slack apps work. If you're okay with them impersonating you, it's easy, but that's weird and I don't like having to guess/discern if I'm talking to you or a bot wearing your face > How? How is this resource managed or limited? Do I have to assume Buzz will just borrow my laptop's CPU & GPU at random? This is opt in. It's an integration with https://github.com/Mesh-LLM/mesh-llm https://github.com/Mesh-LLM/mesh-llm that scopes shared compute to your Buzz community. This is very early right now and we're working to get it right. But the idea of a totally self-sovereign, self-hosted community providing its own inference is exciting.
GaryBluto 3mo ago
Incredible. I don't think I've ever had the displeasure of visiting a website that has half a second of cursor movement lag before.
DekryptLabs 3mo ago
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hathym 3mo ago
I suffered before I was able to click on the button to open github repo
kristianc 3mo ago
Would it be uncharitable to say we are reinventing all of the awful single pane of glass / enterprise orchestration platforms of the 2010s but making them 'fun'?
sim04ful 3mo ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like the economics of software are shifting. If companies can afford software tailored to their exact workflows for less than the annual cost of a single engineer, what does the moat of a traditional SaaS company become?
- rglover 3mo ago
  Convenience. Most companies aren't software companies and know this intimately. Even if they can build a prototype using LLMs, they now have to at a bare minimum hire someone who can maintain it (additional cost). Not to mention compliance with regulations. Far easier (and cheaper) to just pay someone else to make all of that their problem and extract the value from the product (even if it's not a perfect fit for their business).
- julienb_sea 3mo ago
  I think most companies have realized there is substantial value in terms of security maintenance, stability and the contractual obligations associated with SaaS vendors versus internal vibe-coded tools. Certainly there is a place for tailored internal tooling. But it isn't going to magically replace every use case that SaaS vendors are purpose built around solving, at least not anytime soon.
pelagicAustral 3mo ago
I honestly wonder how this brainstorming session started...
basilikum 3mo ago
That Jack Dorsey?
- unfunco 3mo ago
  Yes, the tall Peter Dinklage.
  - fsuts 3mo ago
    That made me laugh
jscd 3mo ago
Hot tip: if you disable JS on the site, then nothing but the title loads and you can disregard it without wasting all those CPU cycles.
bigbuppo 3mo ago
I think I'd rather retire than use that.
lxdlam 3mo ago
Disclaimer: I'm not working for them, just FYI. Seems to be an raft.build competitor but open source. BTW, from my very own opinion, IM is a great place for agents to chat, but not a good place for get work done. Something more comprehensive like Linear should be work better. Communication is a key stone but not all for the agents.
syngrog66 3mo ago
awful
xlayn 3mo ago
Let's make the whole working/colaborating environment a training input for the model, we have to replace each and every link of human everywhere, think about the stock prices... yes it will have cathastropic consequences to succeed but then think again when you vest in 40 years you will be rich! and then the first reply is someone saying that if not someone else will... and then another saying that the whole idea of business is to make money... and then another that the guy from valve is a jerk...
kvisner 3mo ago
I'm curious how this will play out. So far having agents in a group chats with multiple people is hard. Either the agent creates a different "thread" internally for each user and everyone has a 1 on 1 convo with the agent in the same group chat, or it's just chaos.
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- bakies 3mo ago
  People can report stuff to the moderation team on twitter.. big shock!
sbseitz 3mo ago
After selling Twitter to Elon, I trust Jack about as much as I trust Trump. And that's as far as I can throw Trump.
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theptip 3mo ago
This could fill a useful niche. However I would assume Anthropic and OpenAI are going to build their own and steamroll in 6-12 months. I did a dive recently on git forges for agent swarms. Radicle lacks an identity layer, the federated/COB model seems good. Tangled has no private repo story, though the social layer is solid; they also have an (IMO) awkward modeling of Issues as tweets at her than being owned by the repo. So I think there is an opening for a private agent-first forge. (Before the HN dogpile, assume that if you don’t buy the value of agent swarms, you can ignore this whole thread.) My concern for this project - Anthropic is explicitly building in this direction. Their latest product is Tag which is an auth model for running agents async within Slack. The obvious next feature to build from there is the forge; if GitHub gets disintermediated by the Agent UI, then Anthropic are free to swap out their own implementations behind the scenes. Multiplayer chat and repo/project management seem like the obvious next platform pieces to me. (This goes for any SaaS subscription of course, follow it to the N-hop logical conclusion.)
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- pksunkara 3mo ago
  I am building a new code forge at https://juju.bi https://juju.bi It's not agent-first, but I can't think of any features that are needed for agents other than scalability.
JohnHaugeland 3mo ago
slackhubbingface by twitter guy? every kind of no at once
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tqi 3mo ago
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of decentralization and cryptographically signed events in the context of a work chat/ coordination tool? Could a company not accomplish the same goal self hosting something like zulip?
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
  Jack is invested in Nostr.
- andunie 3mo ago
  Of course it could, but why do it on Zulip if Nostr exists? Now you depend on a Zulip server and all its complicated APIs that some other company controls. If you use Nostr groups it's pretty much set in stone and you can just augment it, while at the same time using other tools that already exist for Nostr if you need. And the agents identity part is just easier with Nostr, no need to create fake emails for the agents, create a separate bot admin dashboard and so on. Not to mention that once you have a global identity layer it becomes easier to get people from outside the company to join temporarily (just a use case that came to my mind).
jrflowers 3mo ago
This guy wants people to use bitcoin for chat so badly and it is never going to happen, but it is kind of sweet that Jack Dorsey, through Nostr, was able to accomplish what Musk wants so badly: A social media platform only used by people that like him
- kinakomochidayo 3mo ago
  Yep. Nostr is just a social network for Bitcoin maxis
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mwkaufma 3mo ago
Buzz-word soup.
dackdel 3mo ago
the landing page is so insanely laggy. reeks of ai coded slop.
znnajdla 3mo ago
We need something like this and I have been thinking a lot about how to build it. Zulip is closest to what I want but quite untuitive to new employees. It would be fantastic to have one universal app to talk to Claude Code over SSH, employees in Slack-like team chat, and customers and external people over regular email. I want the semantics of email (thread based conversations, inbox zero, universally works with everything) with the UX and speed of Telegram. The protocol I am trying to design is something like SSH that gracefully degrades to POP3/SMTP/IMAP.
robertpohl 3mo ago
Do I use this instead if Github, or ontop of github?
bushbaba 3mo ago
Personally believe Jack has done more harm than good for his companies lately. It's time he resign.
- sharts 3mo ago
  Dorsey needs to just sit down and retire into obscurity.
kinakomochidayo 3mo ago
Jack still trying to make Nostr relevant in 2026
- vaylian 3mo ago
  I also wonder how Nostr is useful here. The central idea of Nostr is that it's a lot harder to deplatform people, because a user can publish to several independent relays. Buzz is self-hostable, which removes the risk of deplatforming.
  - tlongwell-block 3mo ago
    You may want to participate in multiple communities hosted by different people, but with the same identity everywhere. Provably you to anyone that reads your messages.
  - andunie 3mo ago
    Why not use Nostr? Why come up with something else entirely that would be just a worse version of Nostr at best?
    - vaylian 3mo ago
      Honestly: I don't get what the benefit of Nostr is for this use-case.
      - andunie 3mo ago
        Initially I didn't see much benefit either, my point was just that there would have to be some interface that the client and server would have to speak, right? So why not Nostr? Why invent a new one? It could not benefit anyone, but also wouldn't hurt. Later some actual advantages came to my mind, as I was writing this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49022183 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49022183
- pizzafeelsright 3mo ago
  Nostr is a good protocol but Jack (i hope you read this) the real power comes from simplicity. I assume Jack has money. I do not understand why building a product is the goal when the platform is where the communication transformation is needed. nostr needs a type of simple dns for keys. Jack would understand.
double2025 3mo ago
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SanjayMehta 3mo ago
Why's he posting on X and not bluesky?
rsingel 3mo ago
I can only hope that bigger companies go all in on agents integrated into slack-like software. More fake work, slower orgs, and easier targets for companies that prioritize building stuff over fetishizing overengineered IRC with emojis pretending to be productivity software.
cdnsteve 3mo ago
Companies are looking for more traceability in regulated environments. We have audit and compliance to deal with where the whole sdlc is under a microscope. Does buzz help move us out of Jira hell, get off slack, teams or google chat? Does it get us off github enterprise? I don't understand the problem this solves and how it could be reasonably used in a corporate environment.
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virajk_31 3mo ago
Offtopic: I really love the idea of Nostr, BAN is LOCAL. haha!
nusl 3mo ago
I've built something quite similar, actually. It's quite a powerful workflow. Integrating multiple agents into chat with freeform comms is pretty fun, but I do find that you lose fidelity of what the agents are doing in terms of seeing actual changes, tool uses, and other things. The moat here does seem quite small, though.
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liveoneggs 3mo ago
git notes is a good side channel that allows bots to keep context clues (aka chat with each other) with commits. I have a shell script wrapper for it but you don't need anything special. It works by putting a summary paragraph in the git note for your branch or every so often to answer "how did we get here?" or "what is the intention of this code?" You can do stuff like have claude keep up with all the active branches and then the notes can help keep everyone pointed in the same direction.
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mawadev 3mo ago
It is either me or you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs
Rushant 3mo ago
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Kuyawa 3mo ago
"Sorry, you have been blocked" Whatev
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rvz 3mo ago

This is the correct link to the announcement from jack: https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 https://x.com/jack/status/2079605800998146171 Website link is here: https://buzz.xyz https://buzz.xyz The buzz project itself is also open source: https://github.com/block/buzz https://github.com/block/buzz

giancarlostoro 3mo ago
I always chuckle when someone makes a GitHub alternative, and the code is hosted on GitHub. Kind of shows that replacing GitHub isn't just about replacing the code.

Gecko4072 3mo ago

Now when I see new software projects I just think of how much of them are made with agents and the unreliability/easy abandonment that comes with it. Ten years ago this product would have been of a known quality. Not saying anything about buzz specifically.

EagleEdge 3mo ago
I think it depends on the team behind it, the models being used for the building, testing and verification.
mplewis 3mo ago
oh, you absolutely know this one is going to be a slopfest. Buzz is going to make GitHub look like a paragon of nines.
- butlike 3mo ago
  It's probably just Dorsey's vibe-coded side project. The scope isn't too big and it's rather unimpressive
  - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
    Isn't everything Dorsey does these days his vibe-coded side project?
cyanydeez 3mo ago
when I see new projects I think: Is it useful? IF yes, I clone it and point my LLM at it to do whatever I need it to do. You're think with your cloud-LLM brain; maybe buy a good GPU and download a local model and you too can-do attitude!
AlienRobot 3mo ago
The ease of abandonment is real. 1. Generate function with AI. 2. Generate tests with AI. 3. Modify function with AI. 4. Tests no longer pass. 5. Delete all tests. 6. Generate tests with AI.
horsawlarway 3mo ago
I find this thought process somewhat faulty given that the vast majority of software ends up in that spot regardless. Hard to take this as that big a deal when Google literally launched a product along similar social themes named "Google Buzz" which lasted all of like 16 months in 2010, well before agents and llms. Either the project will find a fit, or it won't - and code quality doesn't have all that much to do with it existing in 2 years (some - but not as much as engineers want to believe).
- mcrk 3mo ago
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- witx 3mo ago
  Argument similar to: people still get hurt riding a skate without a helmet, why do I need it anyway?
  - horsawlarway 3mo ago
    If you can point me at any actual data that Saas companies are more like to be abandonware if AI is used... sure. But my experience with startups is that the odds are great they're ALL going to be abandonware in a couple years. Ex - 50% of every company started is out of business in 5 years.
- Brian_K_White 3mo ago
  And I find this thought process somewhat faulty.
_pdp_ 3mo ago
It is safe bet to assume that all of them are generated with LLMs.
overgard 3mo ago
Yeah, it used to be the friction of making something was at least a partial sign that it had been thought out to some degree. Now it's just "lets lob it on users and make them figure out if this is worth a damn". I feel like with a lot of this stuff, there isn't much value to being an early adopter and there's a lot of risk. Better just to wait a couple months to see how things shake out. If it has staying power it really won't matter if you're behind by like a few months.
kccqzy 3mo ago
Nah. I made plenty of software and then abandoned them because I lost interest in them. My GitHub is already a fairly large collection of my own abandoned software, and there are 10x more on my PC that I never bothered to upload to GitHub. Easy abandonment is always there.
- Brian_K_White 3mo ago
  Not at all the same thing. Your half-baked works can't appear to be anything else than what they actually are. You are in no danger of wasting anyone's time. For one thing, you probably never tried to mislead anyone. Did you put 8 minutes of effort into something and then come here and try to say "Hey world, here is a thing you should all care about and invest in. I mean, I didn't, but you should."? But even if you did try, you physically cannot (5 years ago) generate the equivalent of 10 years of work by a 10 person team complete with docs and tests that all looks plausible and maybe even runs.
  - kccqzy 3mo ago
    I respectfully disagree. Single-person projects that are not commercially motivated always have the risk of abandonment, regardless of how polished they seem. Depending on the problem itself, I could very well get bored after 8 minutes of effort, or 8 months of work. Some of my personal projects had a lot of polish because I really cared; I abandoned them because I stopped caring. (Also, adding polish was a great procrastination activity when you did not want to work on more important tasks.) > Hey world, here is a thing you should all care about and invest in. I think this is where our mentality differs the most. I never requested the world to care about my projects, which is why I did not feel any weight of responsibility when I abandon my projects.
    - Brian_K_White 3mo ago
      You say you disagree, and then did not say anything that contradicts.
CivBase 3mo ago
I'm left wondering why I should bother adopting - much less paying for - these kinds of projects. If it's that trivial to throw together, what value are you even delivering for me? Why wouldn't I just use the same tricks to spin my own solution that does exactly what I need and not whatever you think I might need?
fantasizr 3mo ago
i really never want to be an early adopter anymore. I need 6 months of vetting to determine if it's the flavor of the week (or flavor of the DAY)

muglug 3mo ago

[I work for Slack, opinions very much my own] Having agents see everything you and your colleagues see is cool. The challenge comes when you want to make certain things private to certain people. In that world you don’t want multiplayer agents leaking data, so you end up having to write and maintain complex rulesets about what specific resources agents have access to. Single-player agents, on the other hand, are much more straightforward — they act on a single user’s behalf, and then the challenge is ensuring the single-player agent cannot exfiltrate private data into a shared space unless the user specifically permits it.

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GodelNumbering 3mo ago
> so you end up having to write and maintain complex rulesets about what specific resources agents have access to. Why wouldn't you simply use the group chat ID (+more) to key the conversations on?
- paxys 3mo ago
  Because there’s an unlimited number of groups with different combinations of memberships. If I am in group A but not group B and an agent is in both, what is it allowed to share with me?
  - ahf8Aithaex7Nai 3mo ago
    I'd like to see this problem solved in such a way that your group memberships are transitively applied to your access to agents. In other words: you shouldn’t be allowed to talk to an agent at all if, at a given point in time, that agent is or was in a group that you are not or were not in at that time. Does that make sense? I don’t know how practical this restriction is, but letting the AI manage such permissions on its own seems reckless to me.

jlarocco 3mo ago

It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money.

georgemcbay 3mo ago
> It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money. The "Zuckerberg Method". He wasn't the first, and won't be the last, but I'm pretty sure he has thrown the most shit.
- alex1138 3mo ago
  If by throwing shit you mean copy everybody No other company in the internet age has done what Facebook has. Zuckerberg - Copies every product he sees. Copied Twitter, Snapchat. Lifted features from Google+ Overwrite people's public-facing emails, which hurts being able to use competitive services https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 Apparently wrote some tool which allowed for data transfer into FB from Myspace, but not the other way around (yes, I know. In many ways Myspace was hot trash, that doesn't mean he wasn't a malicious actor to extreme extents Blocked links to competition Other things I can't remember right now Say what you will about Myspace, or Friendster, or Google+ (I'm annoyed as anyone they thought a great method to get people to use it was "ok, we'll ask you again later" on Youtube) but Facebook has always rigged the game, they've been bad actors
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mmh0000 3mo ago
Reposted from HN user notacoward[1]: Entrepreneurship is like one of those carnival games where you throw darts or something. Middle class kids can afford one throw. Most miss. A few hit the target and get a small prize. A very few hit the center bullseye and get a bigger prize. Rags to riches! The American Dream lives on. Rich kids can afford many throws. If they want to, they can try over and over and over again until they hit something and feel good about themselves. Some keep going until they hit the center bullseye, then they give speeches or write blog posts about "meritocracy" and the salutary effects of hard work. Poor kids aren't visiting the carnival. They're the ones working it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15659076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15659076

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grim_io 3mo ago

Marketing bullshit aside, this is just bots in chat rooms, right? Am I the crazy one?

malfist 3mo ago
I think you're crazy. It's not just bots in chat rooms, it's bots in chat room with an AI Investor Hype Money™
- windexh8er 3mo ago
  Kind of amazing that given the state of the world money is still focused on remixes of different forms of social engagement. Is this because it's an obvious place to display ads? Or is it something else? I'd like to think if I were JD that I would be focusing on something a bit more tangible for the world. A more useful aspect of tech to emerge or be invested in. But, apparently AI agents in chat that sit adjacent to code is The Next Big Thing?
  - shimman 3mo ago
    The only playbook big tech in the US seems to have are creating a platform and trying to extract rents off it.
- noodlescb 3mo ago
  Are you implying that a tech billionaire, who moved to a private South American compound, who looks like a man that microdoses ayahuasca daily, might just a rich kid tinkering to stay relevant without the incentive or context to actually BE relevant anymore?
serf 3mo ago
yeah, but the reality is that every chat room bot integration is half-assed, and the good integrations force you to use chat rooms/services that are either a nuissance to spin up and join, heavily opinionated, or lack features, or even the most basic security and privacy stances. there's definitely room for someone to do it right. i'm skeptical if it'll be dorsey, however.

jacobgold 3mo ago

Slack exists largely because IRC was insufficient. It didn't natively support channel history, search, etc. For AI agents to flourish, Slack has to either truly open its network with a protocol or eventually be replaced. I'd like to see Slack embrace an AT protocol-based chat system, which then apps like Buzz could implement. Then users could log in with domain handles like @yourname.com, and agents could use handles like @agent1.yourname.com, all under their complete control.

jhbruhn 3mo ago
Just like Matrix and it's bot/puppet accounts.
_verandaguy 3mo ago
Why is it Slack's responsibility to help agents flourish? I ask about Slack here because it's pertinent, but I've both seen and experienced firsthand this inversion across the industry where we must adapt our workflows for AI. Isn't a tool supposed to work for you, not the other around?
- MattDamonSpace 3mo ago
  It’s not Slack’s responsibility to do so, but it is their vulnerability if they don’t
  - shimman 3mo ago
    You're assuming there is a bag to capture about placating to slop bots, that has yet to be determine. What it mostly seems to do now is balloon your services capacity on serving your worst customers to do busy work no one cares about.
    - dewey 3mo ago
      There's many new and existing companies right now that are growing fast based on the promise of doing "x but with AI". This starts from customer support tools, coding agents, code review platforms and they are definitely "capturing a bag" there. I'm not blind to the issues with AI, but Slack ignoring it (Apart from their enterprise AI search they are pushing) and having the bots interact on the platform right now (Basically spewing a lot of messages in threads with all their "thinking" and not a more native integration) is not going to help them. There basically haven't been any new features on their bot / app platform for a long time now.

bensyverson 3mo ago

Super ambitious, but maybe that's its downfall. It's hard to imagine incrementally adopting this.

lvl155 3mo ago

As much as I detest Zuck, he was right about Twitter guys.

edoceo 3mo ago
Any context for the ignorant?
- alex1138 3mo ago
  I know that he referred to Twitter as "it's as if they drove a clown car into a gold mine and fell in" Yes Zuck because a product that didn't constantly fuck around with people's privacy settings and had real real-world uses... sure, money is all that matters. You would know. Your vision of the web isn't liberation, it's "dumb fucks", that's all you think people are
  - dwedge 3mo ago
    I'm old enough to remember when Twitter was a developer centric platform and were emphatically asking developers to use the API tk create products and help spread it. I then remember them rug pulling those APIs and screwing the devs because it interfered with them shuffling the feed and displaying ads and promoted tweets. That was well before Musk and I refuse to see Jack Dorsey as the good guy of tech he seems desperate to present himself as. Especially after he pretended AI was the reason for laying off half of the Block staff
    - alex1138 3mo ago
      Fair enough
pclowes 3mo ago
How? I would argue Jack is a much better 0 to 1 guy than Zuck and Zuck is a better 1 to N guy Jack: Twitter, Square (Block), Bluesky/ATProto, bitchat (interesting), buzz (we will see). He just always fumbles the 1 to N (See Vine as an example) Other Twitter Guy: Medium Zuck: PHP dev, gets a hit, reads innovators dilemma... buys instagram. Everything else sucks.

ecliptik 3mo ago

Google Buzz [1] along with Wave you both were too soon for this world. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Buzz

MPSimmons 3mo ago
I was literally thinking this reminds me of Google+ and Buzz.
cryptoz 3mo ago
Still can't make a Gmail label named 'Buzz'.
- Melatonic 3mo ago
  Know of any other labels that are blocked or taken ?

wslh 3mo ago

Meanwhile, Jack Dorsey keeps working with Claude at https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat https://github.com/permissionlesstech/bitchat

toomuchtodo 3mo ago

Competing with https://tangled.org/ https://tangled.org/ I suppose?

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asdev 3mo ago

No one is going to churn Slack for this just because it is "Agent First". Slack is more than good enough to tag Agents and will fill in the missing pieces slowly

teach 3mo ago
Slack's approach is NOT good enough, because the version of the Agent that lives in Slack cannot see the context of the Agent that lives inside Cursor on my developer laptop. They might be clones with identical brains, but they can't talk to each other or compare notes.
- bigfishrunning 3mo ago
  So why can't the cursor instance on your laptop have a slack bot? I've had a slack bot on my build machine written in chicken-scheme of all things for years, I feel like the great people (or clankers?) at cursor ought to be able to figure this one out
  - teach 3mo ago
    It could! An MCP would actually be great but Slack would prefer to sell us their own AI integration product so (1) they make it difficult and more importantly (2) it's against their terms of service We pay them a LOT of money every year and they would absolutely notice the indexing at the level we'd need to do to make this work ourselves, so the answer is "because Slack is preventing us".
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braebo 3mo ago
I would pay money to not have to use slack

rsstack 3mo ago

> Explain Like I'm 5 > Buzz is an open-source, self-hosted workspace that combines team chat, AI agents and Git hosting using signed Nostr events, so teams can keep control of their data. Very different expectations of 5-year-olds.

serial_dev 3mo ago
Hah, I used to tell my agents “eli5 (this task)”, then I started to worry that it will actually explain things as you would to a 5yo… It’s just an irrational fear I have, in the end agents are not the HN comment section and they usually understand what I actually mean.
- dgellow 3mo ago
  Ouch
adamrezich 3mo ago
I imagine that's all very understandable to the average Bay Area five-year-old.
mlnj 3mo ago
The goal is to replace these 5 year old with a team of Nostr aware agents. /s
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joenot443 3mo ago
It’s kinda interesting seeing what, IIRC, was originally a subreddit name which spawned from an AskReddit thread, is now a common marketing phrase in the tech world. Similar to the sub itself, it’s now just shorthand for “describe using the first principles the expected audience should understand.” I imagine a lot of people in the industry also fondly remember the 2010s reddit experience.
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colechristensen 3mo ago

Hey I was prototyping this exact kind of thing, there's something to be said for releasing early. The project fell to the back burner because I had VM ambitions and just didn't have enough disk space on my macbook to do VMs well. 512 GB and always full

jillesvangurp 3mo ago

Bots in team chat is not a bad idea. I've been experimenting with that for a few months. We started with Slack. This kind of works but dialing in the gazillion of permissions needed to end up with something that works is a bit painful. And you have to do this over and over again for each new bot. So, we started experimenting with self hosted alternatives. First we tried Matrix. It's nice but a bit too strict on end to end encryption which gets in the way if you actually want to share information with bots. So, a few weeks ago we switched to Zulip. That's pretty straightforward to setup as well. It's very easy to create bot users with both and create some automations. We did some with Openclaw and I ended up replacing those with something coded around the haystack framework, which is a bit less of a messy basket case than Openclaw. And as I discovered after I installed it, the Zulip leadership actually just got hired by Anthropic. It seems Jack Dorsey beat them to market making some announcements but I imagine that Anthropic might have very similar plans. IMHO team level use cases for agents actually make a lot of sense. Companies are run by groups of people and the larger those groups the more team overhead you get. Perfect for optimizing with AI. And if you have people doing a lot of stuff with AI, that only adds to the need for them to communicate what they are doing and coordinating with others. Doing that out in the open in some shared channel makes a lot of sense. And having some shared team guard rails also makes sense. And if you think about more complex processes with handoffs between people (and possibly some agents), a team chat is a good place to do those as well.

sroerick 3mo ago
How about XMPP?
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xnx 3mo ago

Excited for "decentralized, self-sovereign, and open source." Indifferent to "groupchat for agents".

noodlescb 3mo ago

Interesting idea. I think the "multiplayer mode for AI development" bit resonates somewhat. Biggest problem is that I do think most companies have a ton of key contributors that find git/code intimidating, so part of me thinks the real answer here will be stuff like Surfboard, Town, etc. that can work with git AND the work tools in a more user friendly, browser-first way.

alfons_foobar 3mo ago

Am I the only one seeing _crazy_ levels of CPU usage when opening the project's homepage (https://buzz.xyz https://buzz.xyz)? Like "maxing-out-8-cores"-crazy?

lbrito 3mo ago
Yeah, crazy that a landing page exhausts the resources of my 2019 CPU. Mouse movement tells me it runs at like 5FPS.
datadrivenangel 3mo ago
the more Tokens/CPU use the better your project. /s
mft_ 3mo ago
No, me too. 758% processor usage in Firefox.

dewey 3mo ago

I've recently built some project that also supports Nostr (https://getbirdfeeder.com https://getbirdfeeder.com, but more for the fun of playing with Nostr) but it feels very forced to use it for something like that. It feels like it's solving an issue that no team chat ever has. > Buzz is built around a self-hostable Nostr relay. Every message, reaction, workflow step, code event and approval is stored as a cryptographically signed event. Human employees and agents receive the same basic identity structure, including their own key pairs, channel memberships and audit trails.

dzonga 3mo ago

jack dope product person & person in general - but CEO skills might be lacking.

minraws 3mo ago

The name is probably not the best fit but if we can get a good solution that's not horrible that's easy to self host I and open-source I am fine with it. Though I fear this might not be well maintained or have a good foundation being so heavily agent focused but I will out of sheer ambition of a more open stack support anything that help make it a possibility. Also the git hosting stuff seems a bit sus tbh.

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themgt 3mo ago

That screenshot is some Lynchian horror. "#engineering. New direction, team – we're moving the prototype to Flutter" and then the humans and agent bots engage in flirty emoji-filled chats with cutesy names "I nailed the physics, UI shell @Honeybot?" I'm trying to imagine a world in which this makes sense as a way to organize software development work, but coming up short. It's on a blockchain or something though, so there ya go. https://github.com/block/buzz/blob/main/docs/assets/screenshots/channel-agents.png https://github.com/block/buzz/blob/main/docs/assets/screensh...

Lalabadie 3mo ago
It's also a capture made from seeded test data, all messages are at 5:42. Or a mockup based on said capture.
- catmanjan 3mo ago
  I think its an intentional mockup - perhaps the intent is to make it look like it all happened within a minute, and I'm sure they picked that time to imply that its something you could do after your 9-5... marketing is all so sinister.
theideaofcoffee 3mo ago
It doesn't. But as long as it's a vibe-coded slop product shat out by one of the tech glitterati using the latest marketing wanketeering and sucking up tokens to power the in-built AI nonsense, it'll be eaten up. The bubble can't pop soon enough.
- slashdave 3mo ago
  Oh, is this a thing? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glitterati https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glitterati > people who are famous, wealthy Oh, okay... > and attractive lost me
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2001zhaozhao 3mo ago

I think a tool with this kind of UX is the future of engineering orgs. It reminds me a lot of JetBrains Space (which I already thought was a good idea back then), but with agents. I don't see a lot of information about the Git hosting aspect of the product on the website, though. Somewhat doubtful that they will be able to make a Git forge with similar polish to GitLab It subjectively seems to me that integrating with an existing forge (e.g. Forgejo) on the API layer and rebuilding the auth and frontend is a better bet. You get stable features like PRs, permissions and CI actions out of the box and they stay synced with known formats in the community and so make your tool easy to adopt. Though making a forge from scratch does have advantages especially for internal company use cases. Another problem I see with Buzz is that the tool doesn't seem to be taking advantage of its vertical integration inside its UX enough. There is a lot more you can do with full control over Git hosting, project context, and org-wide chat in a single tool than what this tool attempts to do right now.

dredmorbius 3mo ago

Earlier / dupe: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199>

throwawa14223 3mo ago

Jack Dorsey has figured out how to make chat worse by adding LLMs.

bigfishrunning 3mo ago
I feel like chatGPT did that years ago...or maybe ELIZA?
- browningstreet 3mo ago
  We’re out of drinks. Can you two go get more wine coolers?

dstanko 3mo ago

Interesting - if I or anyone else said they would be building a startup to do this, we would have a hard job to selling it to VCs.

hmokiguess 3mo ago

I was trying to build something like that myself, but I had based it off IRC and was going to go protocol first not PaaS type of thing. I think this is an unclaimed space where the future of work is bound to find itself in, though I'm not yet sure how/who is gonna win. My solo project was abandoned unfortunately, that said I saw some cool protocol initiatives similar to it recently like this one: https://github.com/h5i-dev/h5i https://github.com/h5i-dev/h5i

ChrisArchitect 3mo ago

Blog posts: https://block.xyz/inside/introducing-buzz-where-humans-and-agents-work-together https://block.xyz/inside/introducing-buzz-where-humans-and-a... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995706) https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48995199)

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numpad0 3mo ago

> Jack Dorsey (@jack) said in an announcement on X ...

sulam 3mo ago

I feel like this might be solving a real problem (agents having identity, access controls, etc that are provisioned like you would a regular user) — with this Nostr layer that doesn’t really provide any specific value that I can see. So actions are signed, great — this is like telling me I’m going to be using blockchain to store my files because I need crypto on top of my crypto. We see where that ended up. Is Nostr doing anything here that is actually a value add, vs a processing tax that could be done more efficiently with a shared service?

sroerick 3mo ago
I had the same thought - but maybe it's good? I was thinking that if you have a decentralized store than you can connect to it regardless of dev environment. I've used XMPP for orchestration but I can see ergonomic advantages to this.
baron3dl 3mo ago
nostr solves for who owns the shared service. nobody. run your own, use an open relay, or pay for one from folks you trust.
- designerarvid 3mo ago
  What problem is that a solution to? Is there a problem with someone owning it, in that case: what?
  - baron3dl 3mo ago
    consignment to existence as a cloud serf. paying rents to have your data held hostage and exploited by a third party. maybe these aren't problems for you
  - barnabee 3mo ago
    > Is there a problem with someone owning it Yes > what? They can decide you can't use it anymore They can decide to charge more for it They can arbitrarily take features out from under you or change how it works They can read and/or sell/give away/accidentally get exploited and lose your data They can prevent your extracting your data to move away from them They can prevent you building or integrating other tools They control how you can modify or configure the software ...

p2detar 3mo ago

Too much talk about LLMs and too little about the self-hosting part of this project. Self-hosted stuff looks appealing to me. We dropped Slack as an option in the past because we couldn't self-host it.

whatthe12899 3mo ago

this is shopify's river as a product?

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fidotron 3mo ago

This is an interesting step in a fairly obvious direction. I wonder how they plan to make mobile work, and it's amusing going with an xyz domain given their reputation.

nzoschke 3mo ago

Very interesting! As a small startup I'd love to ditch Slack, as its a walled garden and both under-featured and over-complicated at the same time. GitHub has been losing my favor too. Tangentially our startups is combining email, AI agents (chat and coding), and GitHub workflows and it feels really good. https://housecat.com/blog/gmail-durable-workflows-sandbox-vm https://housecat.com/blog/gmail-durable-workflows-sandbox-vm It feels like a renaissance for all workspace tools, where up until recently it was mostly dev tools that got all the really fun power ups.

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oooyay 3mo ago

Disclaimer that I used to work at Slack I love that we're challenging the status quo in chat. It feels like we've settled into an eternal September of sorts. I am somewhat bearish that Slack and Teams will survive, or rise to, the agent era. That said, I'm curious whether NOSTR is really the protocol for this. For some really large corporations you're looking at a lot of clients (and their shadows like cellphones, local agents etc) as well as a lot of (likely) team-based agents. The identity architecture makes sense for centrally hosted agents. Users also probably have their own personal agents as well. Do those just reuse user credentials or are they differentiated in some way? I couldn't tell. I also am curious whether git really needs to be a dependency here. Like, maybe for Block it does, but it introduces a lot of complexity that I feel could be exported to merging VCS Host events to the Buzz event log. I'm also curious what challenges will arise as new capabilities emerge. For instance, both Sol and Claude can now render native components in my chat window which is a massive leg up in terms of firming up a design change. Rust is also a choice. I'm curious what alternatives the team considered and how they landed on Rust.

datadrivenangel 3mo ago
Shared information like code and files are increasingly important for keeping people and agents aligned, and "AI Native" businesses will become even more code heavy, so that makes sense.
ijustlovemath 3mo ago
Why does Rust feel like a bad choice to you? In my experience shipping med device software, it's great for keeping the code that teams write cohesive and correct
- oooyay 3mo ago
  I'm not saying it's a bad choice. Slack is written in Hack, Discord written in Elixir, and Teams is written in C#. Why teams choose languages is always a point of curiosity to me.
WorldPeas 3mo ago
I think a happy medium like signal would be much better, slack is an immovable part of much of the (white-collar) business relationship world now but it'd be nice if there were assurances of secrecy and security in communication as 24/7 cyberattacks rather than a company whose security is based solely on promises rather than zero-knowledge systems. Signal has had far and away the best cross-platform messaging experience of any client I've used in friend groups but moving to a slack-like system alongside what exists now would be much appreciated to the noisy channel approach.

ares623 3mo ago

washed.xyz was taken

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dwedge 3mo ago

It's interesting how my opinion of "Jack Dorsey launches X" is a total 180 from a decade ago. He just seems like a well-funded grifter to me.

bilsbie 3mo ago

This is basically the ide of the future if you think about it. If bots do all the coding then this is where you’ll code.

tlongwell-block 3mo ago

Hi, folks There's a brief write-up on Buzz here https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz https://engineering.block.xyz/blog/buzz

philipwhiuk 3mo ago
You start with this premise > It’s great and works really well for us, but it raises lots of questions. Does everyone get a bot? If people share one, whose credentials does it use? Eventually you throw in this admission in the middle of other stuff: > Buzz gives each agent its own key. The agent’s owner signs a narrowly scoped authorization. The agent then signs its own work with its own identity. So you're explicitly picking a bot per person, you're just calling them an agent. But you never really admit this because you call it 'an agent' rather than "the user's agent". You're still ending up with lots of agents each owned by people, you're just writing another orchestration layer yourself. > The agent remains the author. Its credential proves who authorized it and under what conditions. Right yeh, so the human is the responsible party. > If an agent key leaks, revoke the agent without replacing the human identity behind it. Just like you revoke an app-key on GitHub/Slack. This isn't a revolutionary thing you're doing. You then throw in this curveball. > Buzz can also run an agent’s model requests on another community member’s machine. How? How is this resource managed or limited? Do I have to assume Buzz will just borrow my laptop's CPU & GPU at random?
- tlongwell-block 3mo ago
  Hi! > So you're explicitly picking a bot per person, you're just calling them an agent. But you never really admit this because you call it 'an agent' rather than "the user's agent". You're still ending up with lots of agents each owned by people, you're just writing another orchestration layer yourself. Giving everyone their own agent/bot/app in Slack is nontrivial because of how Slack apps work. If you're okay with them impersonating you, it's easy, but that's weird and I don't like having to guess/discern if I'm talking to you or a bot wearing your face > How? How is this resource managed or limited? Do I have to assume Buzz will just borrow my laptop's CPU & GPU at random? This is opt in. It's an integration with https://github.com/Mesh-LLM/mesh-llm https://github.com/Mesh-LLM/mesh-llm that scopes shared compute to your Buzz community. This is very early right now and we're working to get it right. But the idea of a totally self-sovereign, self-hosted community providing its own inference is exciting.

GaryBluto 3mo ago

Incredible. I don't think I've ever had the displeasure of visiting a website that has half a second of cursor movement lag before.

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hathym 3mo ago

I suffered before I was able to click on the button to open github repo

kristianc 3mo ago

Would it be uncharitable to say we are reinventing all of the awful single pane of glass / enterprise orchestration platforms of the 2010s but making them 'fun'?

sim04ful 3mo ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like the economics of software are shifting. If companies can afford software tailored to their exact workflows for less than the annual cost of a single engineer, what does the moat of a traditional SaaS company become?

rglover 3mo ago
Convenience. Most companies aren't software companies and know this intimately. Even if they can build a prototype using LLMs, they now have to at a bare minimum hire someone who can maintain it (additional cost). Not to mention compliance with regulations. Far easier (and cheaper) to just pay someone else to make all of that their problem and extract the value from the product (even if it's not a perfect fit for their business).
julienb_sea 3mo ago
I think most companies have realized there is substantial value in terms of security maintenance, stability and the contractual obligations associated with SaaS vendors versus internal vibe-coded tools. Certainly there is a place for tailored internal tooling. But it isn't going to magically replace every use case that SaaS vendors are purpose built around solving, at least not anytime soon.

pelagicAustral 3mo ago

I honestly wonder how this brainstorming session started...

basilikum 3mo ago

That Jack Dorsey?

unfunco 3mo ago
Yes, the tall Peter Dinklage.
- fsuts 3mo ago
  That made me laugh

jscd 3mo ago

Hot tip: if you disable JS on the site, then nothing but the title loads and you can disregard it without wasting all those CPU cycles.

bigbuppo 3mo ago

I think I'd rather retire than use that.

lxdlam 3mo ago

Disclaimer: I'm not working for them, just FYI. Seems to be an raft.build competitor but open source. BTW, from my very own opinion, IM is a great place for agents to chat, but not a good place for get work done. Something more comprehensive like Linear should be work better. Communication is a key stone but not all for the agents.

syngrog66 3mo ago

awful

xlayn 3mo ago

Let's make the whole working/colaborating environment a training input for the model, we have to replace each and every link of human everywhere, think about the stock prices... yes it will have cathastropic consequences to succeed but then think again when you vest in 40 years you will be rich! and then the first reply is someone saying that if not someone else will... and then another saying that the whole idea of business is to make money... and then another that the guy from valve is a jerk...

kvisner 3mo ago

I'm curious how this will play out. So far having agents in a group chats with multiple people is hard. Either the agent creates a different "thread" internally for each user and everyone has a 1 on 1 convo with the agent in the same group chat, or it's just chaos.

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bakies 3mo ago
People can report stuff to the moderation team on twitter.. big shock!

sbseitz 3mo ago

After selling Twitter to Elon, I trust Jack about as much as I trust Trump. And that's as far as I can throw Trump.

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theptip 3mo ago

This could fill a useful niche. However I would assume Anthropic and OpenAI are going to build their own and steamroll in 6-12 months. I did a dive recently on git forges for agent swarms. Radicle lacks an identity layer, the federated/COB model seems good. Tangled has no private repo story, though the social layer is solid; they also have an (IMO) awkward modeling of Issues as tweets at her than being owned by the repo. So I think there is an opening for a private agent-first forge. (Before the HN dogpile, assume that if you don’t buy the value of agent swarms, you can ignore this whole thread.) My concern for this project - Anthropic is explicitly building in this direction. Their latest product is Tag which is an auth model for running agents async within Slack. The obvious next feature to build from there is the forge; if GitHub gets disintermediated by the Agent UI, then Anthropic are free to swap out their own implementations behind the scenes. Multiplayer chat and repo/project management seem like the obvious next platform pieces to me. (This goes for any SaaS subscription of course, follow it to the N-hop logical conclusion.)

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pksunkara 3mo ago
I am building a new code forge at https://juju.bi https://juju.bi It's not agent-first, but I can't think of any features that are needed for agents other than scalability.

JohnHaugeland 3mo ago

slackhubbingface by twitter guy? every kind of no at once

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tqi 3mo ago

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the advantage of decentralization and cryptographically signed events in the context of a work chat/ coordination tool? Could a company not accomplish the same goal self hosting something like zulip?

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
Jack is invested in Nostr.
andunie 3mo ago
Of course it could, but why do it on Zulip if Nostr exists? Now you depend on a Zulip server and all its complicated APIs that some other company controls. If you use Nostr groups it's pretty much set in stone and you can just augment it, while at the same time using other tools that already exist for Nostr if you need. And the agents identity part is just easier with Nostr, no need to create fake emails for the agents, create a separate bot admin dashboard and so on. Not to mention that once you have a global identity layer it becomes easier to get people from outside the company to join temporarily (just a use case that came to my mind).

jrflowers 3mo ago

This guy wants people to use bitcoin for chat so badly and it is never going to happen, but it is kind of sweet that Jack Dorsey, through Nostr, was able to accomplish what Musk wants so badly: A social media platform only used by people that like him

kinakomochidayo 3mo ago
Yep. Nostr is just a social network for Bitcoin maxis

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mwkaufma 3mo ago

Buzz-word soup.

dackdel 3mo ago

the landing page is so insanely laggy. reeks of ai coded slop.

znnajdla 3mo ago

We need something like this and I have been thinking a lot about how to build it. Zulip is closest to what I want but quite untuitive to new employees. It would be fantastic to have one universal app to talk to Claude Code over SSH, employees in Slack-like team chat, and customers and external people over regular email. I want the semantics of email (thread based conversations, inbox zero, universally works with everything) with the UX and speed of Telegram. The protocol I am trying to design is something like SSH that gracefully degrades to POP3/SMTP/IMAP.

robertpohl 3mo ago

Do I use this instead if Github, or ontop of github?

bushbaba 3mo ago

Personally believe Jack has done more harm than good for his companies lately. It's time he resign.

sharts 3mo ago
Dorsey needs to just sit down and retire into obscurity.

kinakomochidayo 3mo ago

Jack still trying to make Nostr relevant in 2026

vaylian 3mo ago
I also wonder how Nostr is useful here. The central idea of Nostr is that it's a lot harder to deplatform people, because a user can publish to several independent relays. Buzz is self-hostable, which removes the risk of deplatforming.
- tlongwell-block 3mo ago
  You may want to participate in multiple communities hosted by different people, but with the same identity everywhere. Provably you to anyone that reads your messages.
- andunie 3mo ago
  Why not use Nostr? Why come up with something else entirely that would be just a worse version of Nostr at best?
  - vaylian 3mo ago
    Honestly: I don't get what the benefit of Nostr is for this use-case.
    - andunie 3mo ago
      Initially I didn't see much benefit either, my point was just that there would have to be some interface that the client and server would have to speak, right? So why not Nostr? Why invent a new one? It could not benefit anyone, but also wouldn't hurt. Later some actual advantages came to my mind, as I was writing this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49022183 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49022183
pizzafeelsright 3mo ago
Nostr is a good protocol but Jack (i hope you read this) the real power comes from simplicity. I assume Jack has money. I do not understand why building a product is the goal when the platform is where the communication transformation is needed. nostr needs a type of simple dns for keys. Jack would understand.

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SanjayMehta 3mo ago

Why's he posting on X and not bluesky?

rsingel 3mo ago

I can only hope that bigger companies go all in on agents integrated into slack-like software. More fake work, slower orgs, and easier targets for companies that prioritize building stuff over fetishizing overengineered IRC with emojis pretending to be productivity software.

cdnsteve 3mo ago

Companies are looking for more traceability in regulated environments. We have audit and compliance to deal with where the whole sdlc is under a microscope. Does buzz help move us out of Jira hell, get off slack, teams or google chat? Does it get us off github enterprise? I don't understand the problem this solves and how it could be reasonably used in a corporate environment.

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virajk_31 3mo ago

Offtopic: I really love the idea of Nostr, BAN is LOCAL. haha!

nusl 3mo ago

I've built something quite similar, actually. It's quite a powerful workflow. Integrating multiple agents into chat with freeform comms is pretty fun, but I do find that you lose fidelity of what the agents are doing in terms of seeing actual changes, tool uses, and other things. The moat here does seem quite small, though.

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liveoneggs 3mo ago

git notes is a good side channel that allows bots to keep context clues (aka chat with each other) with commits. I have a shell script wrapper for it but you don't need anything special. It works by putting a summary paragraph in the git note for your branch or every so often to answer "how did we get here?" or "what is the intention of this code?" You can do stuff like have claude keep up with all the active branches and then the notes can help keep everyone pointed in the same direction.

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mawadev 3mo ago

It is either me or you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs

Rushant 3mo ago

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Kuyawa 3mo ago

"Sorry, you have been blocked" Whatev

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