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by w4lker 2mo ago

https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography Why should I trust a US company more than a Chinese one?

simianparrot 2mo ago
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- Envwnger 2mo ago
  What if they don't live in USA?
- Der_Einzige 2mo ago
  The ROI for (white) men going to China for a period of their lives is extremely high. Where else are you going to get your “Abg cmo”
- mad_tortoise 2mo ago
  This is such an hilarious answer. For most of the non-Western world, we don't distrust China because they have created benefits for the developing world. Whereas the USA has been outright imperialist for the past 60-70 years, undermining and overthrowing developing democracies, putting in dictators, using international organisations as debt traps, waging and funding wars that put our lives and economies at risk. It is so pathetic how American's see themselves, and are so deeply afraid of China. I am far more fearful of the predatory nature of the USA and its agencies than I could ever be of China who would never have any interest in me.
  - ToValueFunfetti 2mo ago
    Thank god. I'd been hearing we screwed up catastrophically by electing an admin that took a chainsaw to our foreign aid programs, killing millions in the developing world. Such a relief to learn we were never doing that stuff in the first place.
    - Natfan 2mo ago
      the left hand feeds while the right hand beats
    - a34729t 2mo ago
      yeah comments like this show that ending USAID was the right move (apart from it's obvious utility to pass along bribes)
      - mad_tortoise 2mo ago
        Ending USAID is the exact reason hundreds of thousands suffer more today than they did a few years ago. It is the reason mass migration takes place from developing to developed. The total ignorance and outright stupidity of comments like this is why Yanks should really take a seat when it comes to talking about geopolitics.
- psychoslave 2mo ago
  Abstracted from the HN specific audience, there’s around 17% chance they already do, which is to compare to the "around 4%" chance they live in USA. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by...
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Been there. Great place. High standard of living, everyone is very productive. Still a dictatorship, and you can't speak ill of the government, but a successful one.
  - Natfan 2mo ago
    my understanding is that you can speak ill of the government publicly? like they'll nuke your billibilli if you talk shit about xi, but you can complain privately to a friend not saying i agree with it, i'm saying it isn't as severe as the west makes it out to be
    - ozgrakkurt 2mo ago
      That is an extremely low bar. Imagine you couldn't do that, that would basically be George Orwell's 1984.
      - Natfan 2mo ago
        well in 1984 the two way televisions would get you again i'm not saying i approve, I'm pointing out the distinction
- brettermeier 2mo ago
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  - datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
    Hey but it’s wrapped in gold foil, much like its president’s domestic interiors.
bamboozled 2mo ago
Agree, China believes in Climate change and are at least taking steps to address it. Personally this is making me trust them more than the USA because, facts. I mean lesser of two evils thinking, if one is intentionally leading us towards climate disaster, while the other isn't then yeah. What else can be said? Should I trust the authoritarian country who believes in engineering and science, or the one that doesn't?
- petcat 2mo ago
  USA and Europe are basically equal in terms of yearly production of renewable energy. Texas + California alone rank 6th in the world.
- sarchertech 2mo ago
  China emits 3x more co2 than the US and last year their rate of increase was 2.5x that of the US. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by...
  - ralferoo 2mo ago
    "big number bad" isn't a great way of analysing the data, because China has a massively larger population. The US emits 49% more CO2 per capita than China. And even with the much larger rate of increase, 0.79% to US' 0.3%, it'll still require 81 years to catch up to the US per capita rate [0]. The US aren't the good guys here, not by any means. Compared to my country, for instance, the US' emissions are 3x per capita that of the UK. If you want to argue that we shouldn't be using per capita (although we absolutely should), then that's 45x the UK's CO2 emissions. [0] log(13.59/9.13) / log(1.0049) = 81.4 years
    - sarchertech 2mo ago
      In absolute numbers China produces 1/3 of the total worlds CO2, and they are still growing the amount of CO2 they are producing. That is not the actions of a country who “believes in climate change”. China’s CO2 per capita is ahead of every large developed country except for the US, Australia, and Russia.
theptip 2mo ago
Your exhibit is an obvious anti-distillation technique. You can expect far worse from less-regulated companies.
- throw1234567891 2mo ago
  Neither Anthropic nor OpenAI are regulated in the "regulated business" meaning.
  - theptip 2mo ago
    I count being incorporated in Delaware as a high baseline level of regulation vs. random Chinese API providers.
    - throw1234567891 2mo ago
      From where I sit, it could be incorporated in Mauritius.
butlike 2mo ago
Exactly my question
jayd16 2mo ago
You shouldn't trust either but also this is whataboutism.
- platinumrad 2mo ago
  There's nothing intrinsically wrong with "whataboutism" and it is in fact often illuminating.
  - pessimizer 2mo ago
    Especially because the original criticism is usually a stand-in for an overarching moral condemnation. "Whataboutism" was a US defense for the fact that it was an apartheid state while criticizing political and financial liberties in the Soviet Union. It also worked. The shame built up in the US so quickly that laws started being struck from the books. The US entered WWII with a segregated military, and by the time it marched into Korea, it was rapidly desegregating. The Soviet Union had successfully made its case that the US had no moral high ground, although it had not made its case for its specific set of limitations of financial and political liberties. "Whataboutism" is just ad hominem for dummies. But if the real argument is about who is the better man, or what is the better system, ad hominem isn't a logical fallacy. It's simply a change of subject.
- WithinReason 2mo ago
  No it's not. There is a difference between a comparison and whataboutism
- pessimizer 2mo ago
  No, it is not. Whataboutism is a specific term created (by Cold War propagandists) to refer to when the US criticizes the USSR about "X," and the Soviet Union replies by asking about "Y" in the US. It is not a term created to refer to when some American criticizes any of America's official enemies for "X," and someone else reminds you that America also does exactly "X."
  - jayd16 2mo ago

by w4lker 2mo ago

https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography Why should I trust a US company more than a Chinese one?

simianparrot 2mo ago

[flagged]

Envwnger 2mo ago
What if they don't live in USA?
Der_Einzige 2mo ago
The ROI for (white) men going to China for a period of their lives is extremely high. Where else are you going to get your “Abg cmo”
mad_tortoise 2mo ago
This is such an hilarious answer. For most of the non-Western world, we don't distrust China because they have created benefits for the developing world. Whereas the USA has been outright imperialist for the past 60-70 years, undermining and overthrowing developing democracies, putting in dictators, using international organisations as debt traps, waging and funding wars that put our lives and economies at risk. It is so pathetic how American's see themselves, and are so deeply afraid of China. I am far more fearful of the predatory nature of the USA and its agencies than I could ever be of China who would never have any interest in me.
- ToValueFunfetti 2mo ago
  Thank god. I'd been hearing we screwed up catastrophically by electing an admin that took a chainsaw to our foreign aid programs, killing millions in the developing world. Such a relief to learn we were never doing that stuff in the first place.
  - Natfan 2mo ago
    the left hand feeds while the right hand beats
  - a34729t 2mo ago
    yeah comments like this show that ending USAID was the right move (apart from it's obvious utility to pass along bribes)
    - mad_tortoise 2mo ago
      Ending USAID is the exact reason hundreds of thousands suffer more today than they did a few years ago. It is the reason mass migration takes place from developing to developed. The total ignorance and outright stupidity of comments like this is why Yanks should really take a seat when it comes to talking about geopolitics.
psychoslave 2mo ago
Abstracted from the HN specific audience, there’s around 17% chance they already do, which is to compare to the "around 4%" chance they live in USA. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by...
inigyou 2mo ago
Been there. Great place. High standard of living, everyone is very productive. Still a dictatorship, and you can't speak ill of the government, but a successful one.
- Natfan 2mo ago
  my understanding is that you can speak ill of the government publicly? like they'll nuke your billibilli if you talk shit about xi, but you can complain privately to a friend not saying i agree with it, i'm saying it isn't as severe as the west makes it out to be
  - ozgrakkurt 2mo ago
    That is an extremely low bar. Imagine you couldn't do that, that would basically be George Orwell's 1984.
    - Natfan 2mo ago
      well in 1984 the two way televisions would get you again i'm not saying i approve, I'm pointing out the distinction
brettermeier 2mo ago
[flagged]
- datsci_est_2015 2mo ago
  Hey but it’s wrapped in gold foil, much like its president’s domestic interiors.

bamboozled 2mo ago

Agree, China believes in Climate change and are at least taking steps to address it. Personally this is making me trust them more than the USA because, facts. I mean lesser of two evils thinking, if one is intentionally leading us towards climate disaster, while the other isn't then yeah. What else can be said? Should I trust the authoritarian country who believes in engineering and science, or the one that doesn't?

petcat 2mo ago
USA and Europe are basically equal in terms of yearly production of renewable energy. Texas + California alone rank 6th in the world.
sarchertech 2mo ago
China emits 3x more co2 than the US and last year their rate of increase was 2.5x that of the US. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by...
- ralferoo 2mo ago
  "big number bad" isn't a great way of analysing the data, because China has a massively larger population. The US emits 49% more CO2 per capita than China. And even with the much larger rate of increase, 0.79% to US' 0.3%, it'll still require 81 years to catch up to the US per capita rate [0]. The US aren't the good guys here, not by any means. Compared to my country, for instance, the US' emissions are 3x per capita that of the UK. If you want to argue that we shouldn't be using per capita (although we absolutely should), then that's 45x the UK's CO2 emissions. [0] log(13.59/9.13) / log(1.0049) = 81.4 years
  - sarchertech 2mo ago
    In absolute numbers China produces 1/3 of the total worlds CO2, and they are still growing the amount of CO2 they are producing. That is not the actions of a country who “believes in climate change”. China’s CO2 per capita is ahead of every large developed country except for the US, Australia, and Russia.

theptip 2mo ago

Your exhibit is an obvious anti-distillation technique. You can expect far worse from less-regulated companies.

throw1234567891 2mo ago
Neither Anthropic nor OpenAI are regulated in the "regulated business" meaning.
- theptip 2mo ago
  I count being incorporated in Delaware as a high baseline level of regulation vs. random Chinese API providers.
  - throw1234567891 2mo ago
    From where I sit, it could be incorporated in Mauritius.

butlike 2mo ago

Exactly my question

jayd16 2mo ago

You shouldn't trust either but also this is whataboutism.

platinumrad 2mo ago
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with "whataboutism" and it is in fact often illuminating.
- pessimizer 2mo ago
  Especially because the original criticism is usually a stand-in for an overarching moral condemnation. "Whataboutism" was a US defense for the fact that it was an apartheid state while criticizing political and financial liberties in the Soviet Union. It also worked. The shame built up in the US so quickly that laws started being struck from the books. The US entered WWII with a segregated military, and by the time it marched into Korea, it was rapidly desegregating. The Soviet Union had successfully made its case that the US had no moral high ground, although it had not made its case for its specific set of limitations of financial and political liberties. "Whataboutism" is just ad hominem for dummies. But if the real argument is about who is the better man, or what is the better system, ad hominem isn't a logical fallacy. It's simply a change of subject.
WithinReason 2mo ago
No it's not. There is a difference between a comparison and whataboutism
pessimizer 2mo ago
No, it is not. Whataboutism is a specific term created (by Cold War propagandists) to refer to when the US criticizes the USSR about "X," and the Soviet Union replies by asking about "Y" in the US. It is not a term created to refer to when some American criticizes any of America's official enemies for "X," and someone else reminds you that America also does exactly "X."
- jayd16 2mo ago