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A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk
by xnx 4mo ago
A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.
- benoau 4mo agoYou can trust Apple. I mean they openly lied to a judge last year under oath, but you can trust them.
- willtemperley 4mo agoCan you provide a source? Otherwise your comment is useless.
- benoau 4mo agoJudge's ruling. > To hide the truth, Vice-President of Finance, Alex Roman, outright lied under oath. Internally, Phillip Schiller had advocated that Apple comply with the Injunction, but Tim Cook ignored Schiller and instead allowed Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri and his finance team to convince him otherwise. Cook chose poorly. The real evidence, detailed herein, more than meets the clear and convincing standard to find a violation. The Court refers the matter to the United States Attorney for the Northern District of California to investigate whether criminal contempt proceedings are appropriate. > [..] > Neither Apple, nor its counsel, corrected the, now obvious, lies. They did not seek to withdraw the testimony or to have it stricken (although Apple did request that the Court strike other testimony). Thus, Apple will be held to have adopted the lies and misrepresentations to this Court. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.364265/gov.uscourts.cand.364265.1508.0_3.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36...
- xp84 4mo agoI'm the farthest thing from an Apple fanboi you can find, but Apple's not so unethical as to make all this (OpenAI trade secret) stuff up. The OpenAI settlement they'll no doubt get from this won't amount to 30 days of their App Store rent-seeking that they were propping up with those lies. If they can't prove any of this stuff they wouldn't file the suit. No matter what you or I think of Apple, the chances that this went down at least as criminally as they allege, are very high.
- sumedh 4mo ago> Apple's not so unethical Apple colluded with other companies to suppress wages.
- winstonwinston 4mo agoApple earned some trust unlike openai.
- tangenter 4mo agoMeh. Consider that you had no choice and no say that your data out there, both present and historic as mined, aggregated and analyzed by data collectors, was used as a training set for the LLMs. I think you’re a tad too late with your warning. They’re already thieves and they know it. And they know you can’t and won’t do anything about it.
- xnx 4mo agoPublic/crawlable data is very different from private/internal documents and code that employees might prompt with.
- MeetingsBrowser 4mo agoI’m not one to defend huge companies, but OpenAI is a huge company. It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout, or it’s possible it’s limited to this specific group. We know nothing beyond what Apple has alleged.
- mixdup 4mo agoYou think the group tasked with developing whatever hardware device they're trying to build is isolated away from senior leadership and is running rogue?
- hahahaa 4mo agoWhy not? It may be the old plausable denable thing. Like so many examples. Pressure from the top but no instruction to do $badthing.
- felixgallo 4mo agoDo you know who the CEO is?
- techpression 4mo agoSame thought I had, I realized I was zero percent surprised reading the claims made, it feels like a perfect representation of the personality Sam Altman shows the world.
- BoorishBears 4mo ago
- amelius 4mo ago> A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. A company locking down their phone platform cannot be trusted with their laptop OS.
- an0malous 4mo agoThis is only like the 12th reason not to trust OpenAI. The culture starts from the top
- _aavaa_ 4mo agoThe same can be said about Apple. Several companies have complained about them taking a meeting with apple, presenting their product, only to have Apple then rip it off and build it in house. To say nothing of sherlocking.
- thatwasunusual 4mo ago"Good artists copy; great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso, but was also used by Steve Jobs, ironically.
- ricksunny 4mo agoI always wonder why this long-supported theme doesn’t get more mindshare amid tech commenters’ worship at the altar of Apple.
- baxtr 4mo agoPresenting a product prototype or idea at a meeting is vastly different from an ex-employee stealing corporate secrets - to me at least.
- amazingamazing 4mo agoExample?
- nvarsj 4mo agoAs an old timer, I saw this firsthand happen with Motorola. Apple did the same shenanigans, stealing IP and engineers. I doubt the iPhone would have happened otherwise. Jobs was absolutely ruthless and would do anything for his goals.
- overgard 4mo agoEh, I don't think Apple is particularly ethical or anything (I very much dislike their app store policies), but if you have to choose between two devils Apple is vastly preferable because they're not after my data or my job.
- sk4rekr0w 4mo agoThis thread is certainly achieving Apple's PR goals