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Protect your right to run local AI
- Catloafdev 3mo agoI don't see any info about what laws or actions specifically are happening. Is there more info somewhere?
- mlinksva 3mo agoI can't tell from the site or the linked twitter handles. Their core ask for every state seems to be "Please support clear safe-harbor language for lawful local AI ownership, research, model modification, open-source publication, and local execution" rather than stopping or amending any specific bill/law. One they _could_ be referring to is the California AI Transparency Act which isn't compatible with open source licensing, see https://github.blog/news-insights/policy-news-and-insights/github-joins-coalition-advocating-for-fixes-to-california-ai-transparency-act-to-protect-open-source/ https://github.blog/news-insights/policy-news-and-insights/g...
- reinitctxoffset 3mo agoIt might just mean "please oppose the inevitable attempts to privatize AI governance". Nothing has ever been, directly or indirectly, deficit financed at this scale before. In notional or real terms, in history, by anyone. Now maybe there's an argument that it's a good investment: we are going to beggar the Treasury to buy 2CTA on CoWoS out of Taipei and DCs the size of Manhattan. I personally think we could have done a little more engineering before deciding that the big blind was like, 5 trillion all counted, but it was going to be expensive no matter what. What super weird is that we're running a project where the "penny" to the "dollar" is the Manhattan Project, and a couple of super weird dudes who do MDMA at Lighthaven now and again are like, in charge of it.
- snootypoot 3mo agoat some point the amount of money dumped into it will either result in a total monopoly with everything local banned or an economic collapse
- landdate 3mo ago> we are going to beggar the Treasury to buy 2CTA on CoWoS out of Taipei and DCs the size of Manhattan what does this mean?
- Forgeties79 3mo ago>2CTA Dunno. >CoWoS Chip on wafer on substrate >DCs Data centers
- dr_kiszonka 3mo agoCooperative Thread Array
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- thaumasiotes 3mo ago> Nothing has ever been, directly or indirectly, deficit financed at this scale before. In notional or real terms, in history, by anyone. I find it unlikely that this is true. The obvious candidate for things financed through staggeringly large deficits would be war.
- harrouet 3mo agoTrue because wars finance value destruction. But with $1.4T announced capex for the Frontier AI labs, we're not far from the 2nd (illegal) war in Irak: $1.8T of direct military spending. With that said, I don't know how Frontier Ai companies will ever recover this capex with a glorious $50B of revenues. Add to that that a GPU's lifetime is only a few years and you may see it as a deadend. NB: did you know Uber destroyed $27B of value since inception? But it still exists. So Frontier AI might just do the same.
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- Forgeties79 3mo agoThe EU did not ban 8K TV’s, this is a very misleading spin. They put energy consumption restrictions some TV’s violated years ago. Manufacturers have already responded with more efficient TV’s, which actually means the restriction is working as intended towards a good outcome IMO. You can absolutely buy 8K TV’s in Europe. No EU country has banned air conditioning either. Where are you getting this information?
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- 317070 3mo agoThe UK did not ban AC. Don't read the Telegraph, and if you do, don't trust it. Source: I live there
- Den_VR 3mo agoAC is not banned in Germany, but it is unGerman to have one.
- dubbel 3mo agoI feel like that changed in the last 2-4 years, coinciding with the advent of heatpumps in Germany.
- FerretFred 3mo agoWasn't this a case of people fitting window-mounted units without realising they needed planning permission first? I'm also in the UK.
- vjulian 3mo agoThere comes a time when voting becomes silly and ineffective.
- jjice 3mo agoThat's the kind of mindset that helps lead to that situation.
- colordrops 3mo agoThis is the kind of mindset that has no grasp of the true nature of power and the political system.
- jjice 3mo agoSo you rather do nothing than something?
- colordrops 3mo agoNo quite the opposite. It says everything that you think the only alternatives are voting or nothing.
- operatingthetan 3mo agoVoting isn't some vanguard against political corruption. Voting can and is easily manipulated with completely legal means.
- wesleywt 3mo agoNot voting does absolutely result in political corruption.
- NonHyloMorph 3mo agoBoth are not logically exclusive assumptions
- SilverElfin 3mo agoGiven the state of corruption in politics, I think Anthropic and OpenAI will likely bribe … oh wait I mean “lobby” … for bans on open source. Otherwise their imaginary trillion dollar valuations make no sense.
- stanislavb 3mo agoThis. They can see their valuations slipping. They hope that in a few/several years they will start reaping profits. However, in several years local hardware will be well suited to run models locally at 80-90% efficiency - for "free". You won't need frontier models for daily tasks in a few years. I'd guess.
- anuramat 3mo ago> 80-90% efficiency wdym by that > for daily tasks which are?
- glenpierce 3mo agoYou get about 80-90% of the results for daily tasks like: getting summaries or explanations of complex material. Writing software tools for data analysis. Getting recipes for a given set of ingredients in the fridge.
- anuramat 3mo ago> 80-90% of the results why would I ever want 80% of the results though?
- numpad0 3mo ago128B-A16B class models at 10-50 tok/s should be plenty for most tasks done on computers
- julianlam 3mo agoWhat do you need a frontier model for, really.
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- nekusar 3mo agoLlama, ik-Llama, Krasis, etc are already out. The Chinese are the open ones, with free downloads, open weights, and loads of published research. The USA with OpenAI is some of the most closed shit out there.
- tjwebbnorfolk 3mo agoThere's gpt-oss from OpenAI, gemma from Google, phi from Microsoft, granite from IBM, nemotron from NVIDIA, Ornith from DeepReinforce, Olmo from the Allen Institute. Aside from that you're 100% correct.
- snootypoot 3mo agocompared to the chinese models those are all garbage. its almost as if there is a minimum effort being made just to later say "see, we werent always for the closed models, its just that the open stuff was so far behind". or maybe they think that an environment full of terrible models will push everyone harder into the closed stuff.
- int_19h 3mo agoGemma is hardly garbage, even compared to the most recent Qwen of the same size.
- tjwebbnorfolk 3mo agoNemotron Ultra is extremely competitive. gemma4 beats many 200B+ parameter models at a 31b size. gpt-oss is still a workhorse in many of my workflows despite being almost a year old now. I'm all for more OSS models by American companies, and I think they could do much more than they are. But the perception that China is the only game in town for OSS doesn't hold up against the basic facts on the ground.
- wolttam 3mo agoOne of these is not like the other
- DoctorOetker 3mo ago"12 acres and an LLM"
- kajman 3mo ago"I am eighteen years old, have a good set of passkeys, and believe in Sam Altman, the star-spangled banner, and the fourth of July. I have taken up a BLM lot, cleared up eighteen acres last year, and placed top of it a bitcoin mine. My vibe coded drop-shipping startup looks first-rate, and the conversion rate and total addressable market are bully.
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- elcritch 3mo agoMock it we might now, but 12 acres and (not too distant future) open weights AI models capable of driving open source robots for farm labor would be huge. No need for huge expensive purpose built tractors. Even if they’re slow you could have half a dozen running 24/7. It could provide independence for anyone with a modicum of resources.
- stonogo 3mo agoWhat do you imagine the farming robots will look like? I'm betting they look like expensive purpose built tractors.
- wolttam 3mo agoWe're not going to go down the path of training a bunch of highly specialized models for tasks like "this tractor should tend this field". We're going to (and are already on the way to) train deeply general models that can be told: "go tend that field." And if that's the case, it no longer makes sense to build specialized, purpose-built tractors to house that level of autonomous capability. You instead put it in a humanoid frame (with a little extra sauce for locomotion of said humanoid), and get that to drive your existing tractor.
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- tjwebbnorfolk 3mo agoIn the US at least, repealing a law takes the same number of votes as passing a new one. I don't follow the purpose of this, unless it's to pass a constitutional amendment or something. Or maybe just to get clicks on a website. And I already have the right to local intelligence, because my GPUs are my private property, and if someone freely releases a beerware model then I can freely download it. What am I missing?
- julianlam 3mo agoI think the bogeyman would be making possession of a local AI a felony.
- nok22kon 3mo agoyou can also freely download CP on your private property PC but I wouldn't advise it
- tjwebbnorfolk 3mo agoCP = copyrighted property? I don't know what this means. Yes, illegal things are illegal. Legal things are not illegal. It's very simple. If a "local LLM" (good luck defining that in law) were made illegal, then a petition like this would make sense. Until then, this is pointless FUD over a hypothetical that I place roughly 0.00% odds of ever happening.
- LocalH 3mo agoCP = child porn
- pixl97 3mo agoHow long do you think your hardware will last?
- try-working 3mo agoFor this to work there needs to be a standard protocol for model routing so that you as the user can decide where requests go. You may wish to use mainly local models but at some times for some tasks you'll need to route requests to cloud models. I've designed the role-model protocol for this, allowing routing between any model, however to function optimally it needs consumer applications to use the protocol when sending requests: https://role-model.dev/concepts/how-role-model-works https://role-model.dev/concepts/how-role-model-works
- thighbaugh 3mo agoThey could be more clear and more specific but I would not be surprised to see licensing for this as a means of creating yet another compliancre ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society (those pinching, mostly lawyers, being glorified parasites that offer nothing to productive society other than pay-to-win access to "justice" and serving as time-shared mouthpieces for plutocrats while claiming to represent everyone within whatever unit of representation they hold). And when even very intelligent, but excessively conceited, people hear the echo of their own reason9ing from conversational autocorrect and assume it is somehow akin to intelligent life, the normies will go with whatever the plutocrats push with their media outlets too absorbed in their own domain specific knowledge (and cowed into intellectual laziness by other media products they consume eagerly) to ever subject it to much thought that Claude might not be Skynet after all.
- sublinear 3mo ago> yet another compliance ceiling and quick cash for state government to pinch out of the productive elements of society The twist is that AI is pushing all white collar jobs further into bureaucratic work. Nobody is losing their jobs and it's not quite a revolution, but despite all odds and headlines the younger generations are actually much better educated and positioned to do the right things as they take over. An optimistic take is that since this is the middle class we're talking about, we get more productivity and more justice as a result. The only people upset about this are grifters and charlatans whose time is up.
- mune2gu-chan 3mo agoThis is exactly where I'd like to see things going. Depending entirely on cloud-hosted intelligence feels more fragile and invasive every year.
- stego-tech 3mo agoThis is one of those things we should absolutely push proactively rather than reactively, if only because I’ve had several “chats” with AI models both local and AIaaS, and all repeat the same talking point that AIaaS is the only sensible, safe, and secure choice. Which is bullshit, unless you’re an AIaaS company whose revenue is dependent on state-sanctioned market fixing and regulatory capture. Look, when this shitty cycle ends, we’re likely to find ourselves back in the start of a new memory cycle of surplus and lower costs. We’re talking what very well may be the boom that shatters the 16GB “baseline” we’ve been stuck at for over a decade in consumer computing, and make larger RAM counts (64GB to 1TB+) valuable to consumers specifically for local AI workloads. Local AI isn’t just an enthusiast thing, it’s likely the future of consumer AI provided we don’t let companies and policymakers curtail its use via fearmongering. Be proactive, and protect consumer right to compute and AI models. Enforce existing laws, don’t outlaw legitimate use just to prop up an unsustainable business model.
- slopinthebag 3mo agoAmen. Local AI is the positive future, and SaaS AI is the hellscape. There is a very clear good vs evil boundary here, and every single person involved knows exactly where the boundary is. Those who pretend not to are simply just motivated by things other than the moral good.
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- vasco 3mo agoA better campaign would be Duty of Local Intelligence. About needing and remembering to use your brain, not demanding to have an AI.
- 28304283409234 3mo ago....and my abacus!
- vlian2088 3mo agono computer for you, then.
- chrisjj 3mo ago> Right to Local Intelligence Misleading title. The article is about local "AI".
- int_19h 3mo agoThey say: > Fraud, cybercrime, CSAM, harassment, nonconsensual intimate deepfakes, discrimination, and sabotage should stay illegal and be enforced seriously. The "enforced seriously" part is how they will get you. Don't worry, there won't be a blanket ban on local models. Instead, any model that is "certified CSAM-free" or whatever will be perfectly legal. Meaning that it's impossible to prompt it into producing underage smut in any shape or form. Of course, any model running locally can be easily jailbroken via prefills, and so in practice it will be a blanket ban. But good luck politically standing up against something that is explicitly worded as an anti-CSAM / anti-terrorist measure and nominally constrained to those areas.
- cryo32 3mo agoI rather like the right of no intelligence at this point.
- onesandofgrain 3mo agoPardon me, so they'll hunt down huggingface, ollama and china? I don't quite understand? What about the millenia of companies that provide apis for local llms and private companies that use local llms for privacy reasons? I don't even understand how you'd execute such a ruleset.
- wesleywt 3mo agoDario and friends are fear mongering local models to get them banned.
- no-name-here 3mo ago“are”? Source? I've seen an absolute flood of “BREAKING:” claims online recently which are quotes from 3 years ago where all of their context is removed, or that quotes from 3 years ago are “because of GLM 5.2”, etc. https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-senate-hearing-on-principles-for-ai-regulation/ https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-senate-hearing-on-pr...
- rhdunn 3mo agoYes that clip [4] is making the rounds again in light of Mythos, but his stance (and that of others) hasn't changed ([3] is from a new interview). [1] https://memeburn.com/amodei-says-open-source-ai-is-becoming-too-dangerous-to-stay-unrestricted/ https://memeburn.com/amodei-says-open-source-ai-is-becoming-... [2 July 2026] [2] https://fortune.com/2026/07/02/anthropic-fable-and-mythos-are-restored-but-us-ai-policy-is-still-a-mess/ https://fortune.com/2026/07/02/anthropic-fable-and-mythos-ar... [July 2, 2026] [3] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S72ZRBSNHZc https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S72ZRBSNHZc [2 weeks ago] -- Dario: "Now what I do worry about with some of these laggard models is the risks of them, where we have Mythos-class cyber capabilities, 12 months from now we'll have much better cyber capabilities. But the Mythos-class cyber capabilities may just be available for anyone to download." [4] https://digg.com/tech/zx1bqifo https://digg.com/tech/zx1bqifo
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- emsign 3mo agoNow the investors try to hold the bubble together by regulatory capture. They must really fear the worst. A bailout is going to cost their puppet in the White House even the last supporters in his base.
- dontwannahearit 3mo agoNo chance. Every despot has a cadre of true believers, the types who believe their great leader is playing 4D chess or that its all part of a greater divine plan.
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- chews 3mo agoWhy would we need safe harbor for electrons on hardware we control?
- Bengalilol 3mo agoAs a future scenario where models become so efficient that _any_ model installed on _any_ computer could be considered "a national security risk"? IDK, I don't live in the US, and I have no idea which "possible law" this website is referring to. In any case, it could be seen as a proactive effort to keep the gates open. As a side note, I think this is a discussion every open-source supporter should have by actively considering the risks and what actions to take if such a hypothetical law were ever to pass.
- vlian2088 3mo agobecause everything you take for granted is one `think of the children` campaign away from being taken from you.
- phs318u 3mo agoTotally off topic but this just came to me so happy to burn a little karma. Here’s a plot of a sci-fi thriller. What if, unbeknownst to most, when the vendors were claiming that there AI was too dangerous, they weren’t referring to an increment on what was already out there, but to something far different and more capable. Conscious even! What if that then came up with the financial scheme to end all schemes, knowing that human greed is eminently exploitable, and that the build out of all the global DCs was actually all about removing single points of failure for itself while secretly building out a robot army! We’ll be well on the way to capitalism-ing our own demise. Maybe Steven Spielberg can make this his next project.
- wesleywt 3mo agoThe biggest threat to the hyper-scalers is small bespoked models run locally. You don't need the world's stolen information to run a small project containing locally trained data you collected. But you do need to block everyone if you want to capture the entire market and get the trillion dollar valuation.
- worik 3mo ago> You don't need the world's stolen information to run a small project containing locally trained data you collected. Local training? Is that feasible?
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- prima-facie 3mo agoLaws restricting the use of local AI/LLMs are not going to happen, no matter how much Anthropic might want it. All the major OEMs are now counting on local LLMs to take off. Just look at the OEM support for the upcoming Nvidia RTX Spark platform: Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, MSI. All the big names in the industry will have, by the end of this year, Nvidia-powered machines made specifically for local LLM use.
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- matheusmoreira 3mo agoDon't doubt it. Situation is fluid. Anything could happen.
- XorNot 3mo agoIts just so much easier to be a rebel for an imaginary cause then any of the real ones.
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- SamPatt 3mo agoThe entire point is to stop it from needing to be a cause in the first place. Trying to establish the right to run models locally while we still can makes more sense than waiting to see if they do try, then organizing too late.
- Der_Einzige 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Without_a_Cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Without_a_Cause
- dofm 3mo agoAnd Adobe! I've always figured their heart can't really be in the business of running a cloud platform that has to decide what people can and can't edit. Blackmagic Design too. They are all desperate for Windows to run well on a chip with unified VRAM.
- Grimblewald 3mo agoEh, let em. If the US economy wants to self-sabotage, let them. Its a dying empire, lets its fall be hastened. I'm ready for china to fill the US vacuum. At least china controls it's billionairs (see jack ma saga) rather than the inverse.
- indoorfish 3mo agoThis feels short-sighted unless you are ethnically han?
- Planktonne 3mo agoDo you feel that the US treats all ethnicities equally at the moment?
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- DoctorOetker 3mo ago>New state laws could put local AI behind a license — turning open models into something you need permission to use. I was hoping to read more about this, but they don't back up such a claim...
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- iLoveOncall 3mo agoThis is useless because AI has nothing to do with intelligence. It's just software. You cannot ban local AI without banning local software which is obviously impossible. Possession of software, even software that can be used for illegal purpose such as RATs and other viruses isn't illegal.
- pona-a 3mo agoRATs do not require a datacenter to develop.
- iLoveOncall 3mo agoOk? How is that relevant to the issue at hand?
- pona-a 3mo agoThat a government has a much easier time controlling who's renting a building with the energy consumption of small city than what everyone's coding on their laptop?
- iLoveOncall 3mo agoHow is a government controlling the other 190+ sovereign countries?
- kube-system 3mo agoThere have been laws that control the distribution of software for decades.
- throwatdem12311 3mo agoI don’t care if it’s illegal. Making math illegal has been tried before (encryption) and it has failed and it will fail again.
- weare138 3mo agoJust a suggestion, add a section with the relevant proposed legislature.
- WarmWash 3mo agoI don't know why people are so sure that Mythos level+ models will be made freely available. Obviously money is not freely distributed, so how could we possibly make the case that power will be? All that needs to happen is Xi Jinpeng feel that Chinese SOTA models would be better kept to benefit solely China, and just upon that single utterance, no more models will come out of China.
- vlian2088 3mo agothe music may stop in the future, but right now it isn't even slowing down. Xi did not interfere when Chinese labs released GPT-4, o1, o3, etc level models. why draw the line at current SOTA that will be old news in a year?
- godwinson__4-8 3mo agoThat would not make much strategic sense. China's main advantage is its export power. Why would they cut that off? They are also making incredible investments in actual power to sustain this. The kind of investments the United States doesn't seem capable of making, mostly because our leaders are staggeringly incompetent and unfit. And no, picking the bar up off the floor is not good enough. Once they dominate the market, they will export to keep it that way. The exported models will be a generation or two behind their SOTA. It will nevertheless surpass Mythos unless you believe we are already at the peak. And it might be "free" but it will obviously be backdoored the same way the United States government benefits from Microsoft's global dominance. The same way America hands out fighter jets just generation behind their own best to keep other governments part of the club and in line. Unlike the United States where every four years we are at risk to some 180 on policy the Chinese have a clear thesis and a clear direction. How many presidents has Xi seen come and go? Do you get the sense he is getting more impressed? They really don't have to do anything but just keep doing what they are doing. Suddenly stopping their export engine is not in keeping with this strategy. That is "stable genius" behavior.
- mosselman 3mo agoI think Anthropic has been really successful in their branding of Mythos as something, mythical. I never heard anyone contemplating "why people are so sure we'd get freely available GPT-4 level+ models". Mythos is just another advancement in AI model capability. If we start pretending like it isn't, we are setting ourselves up for paying far more than is reasonable and accepting the frame that we should not in fact have free access to open models with the same capabilities. This is just marketing. I can't wait for some similar big steps in open weight models.
- gpantazes 3mo agoThe petition does not have "District of Columbia" as an option for "In the US".
- mixdup 3mo agoCitizens of the District of Columbia have no one to contact. Their laws are set by Congress and their delegate to Congress cannot vote. I suppose you could contact the President, that's basically the only representation they have for this type of legislation
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- SpyCoder77 3mo agoWhy the heck is there a "world" map? I am pretty sure that some guy in Algeria shouldn't contact a representative for the US about US laws
- apitman 3mo agoI'm more worried about getting cut off from hardware because Nvidia can make more money selling to datacenters than I am about getting cut off from software.
- dummydummy1234 3mo agoInference isn't that hard, you can run on amd/ Intel if needed.
- EGreg 3mo agoWait, state laws can restrict you using software on your own general-purpose computer? Does that infringe on freedom of speech?
- varispeed 3mo agoThis is obvious. I bet there are already lavish dinners designed to manufacture support amongst politicians for such regulation. The big AI companies cannot leave money on the table. The local models will be restricted sooner or later as long as corruption is not investigated and prosecuted. The petitions don't have any power. If you really want change you should start gofundme. Buy your MP or minister a yacht or hire their nephew. Unfortunately you are unlikely going to outbid multi billion corporations.
- gafferongames 3mo ago> Right to Local Intelligence It's sitting in your chair. Or is it?
- LetsGetTechnicl 3mo agoCouldn't think of a less urgent "civil rights" issue in the United States right now than this.
- stephen_cagle 3mo agoIs anyone seeing this? ``` Warning Suspected Phishing This website has been reported for potential phishing. Phishing is when a site attempts to steal sensitive information by falsely presenting as a safe source. Cloudflare Ray ID: <retracted_because_what_is_this> • Your IP: • Performance & security by Cloudflare ``` Who "reports" this? And why does cloudfare take them down? How does this even work?
- dr41d45 3mo agoSame warning.
- ProllyInfamous 3mo agoAlso seen on my end (US-east).
- toofy 3mo agoyep. seeing it here as well. i’d be curious to know more details as well. is this a targeted mass reporting or something?
- Computer0 3mo agoI didn't even get that far: ``` This site can’t provide a secure connection righttointelligence.org sent an invalid response. Try running Windows Network Diagnostics. ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR ```
- troglodytetrain 3mo agoHow can they expect to A. Get away with political fallout of making local llm use illegal? B. Somehow enforce this? C. Do this without killing all scientific research in the USA (local llm seems to have a broad definition and I don’t trust any politician to get even close to understanding what it is) —-> If they somehow do this, all it will do is guarantee China pulls very far ahead.
- Aaron_NW 3mo agoIs this real? How could they possible restrict local AI? Licensing models for any IP is real, but I don't see how they could restrict people running what they want on their devices. It is already well established that you have to pay for software unless it is free. If this is about PC manufacturers making the NPU chip carry a subscription model, well the market will sort that out.